colliehauler wrote: What do you think of the Panasonic toughbook?
My daughter is a Panasonic rep, and was previously an outside rep for a major Panasonic reseller. She works with a lot of midwest police agencies and fire and ambulance districts, including the Missouri Highway Patrol. She's gotten rave reviews from them for the Toughbook. Last week she showed me a photo that she got from the St. Louis PD, showing a Toughbook with a bullet hole completely through the screen. The unit was still working, although she doesn't recommend doing that.
NOTE: This is not intended to be a commercial.
This IS NOT A BASH on the Toughbook. However, we have used them for about 5 years . From the CF-27 to the CF -30.. The Battery life is short, very.. We are running XP PRO and we are CONSTANTLY HAVING TO REBOOT, Get Cut off Wireless have frozen issues..My thought is that the Applications we have running on top of XP are the Problem... I have spent 3 hours in the last 2 weeks on the phone with our Technician Support Center or TSC..If I bought this at a computer store,I would have got my money BACK!!! It is this Frustrating.. We had one tech get so angry he threw the computer thru his back window... He had to go to a glass shop to avoid the boss finding out.. It is not the Panasonic, or Toshiba, or Dell... IT IS WINDOWS and 3rd Party applications... If they cant make it right, Don't make it, or try something else..
If we found after going to Mac from PCs bad, does anyone think we would RAVE about them??? Or we would so HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEM?? We are only giving OUR experiences... We are giving this advice to folks who are looking for recommendations..Macs can do all that most of us do on a computer... Internet,email, Music, Photos, Movies.. We can run Windows OFFICE FOR MAC.. We can run Adobe Acrobat Reader. We have Games and Simulators for Mac.. Run TURBO TAX etc.. If we REALLY need an application that only runs on Windows, we can run Windows on a Mac. To us that have switched we did so for a REASON. First, MY TIME IS WORTH SOMETHING, and I got fed up with the issues with Windows EVER SINCE Windows 95.. and MS did NOT FIX ANY OF IT including to XP.. How many chances and operating systems must I buy to get a perfect OS?? Most of us
Found a product to where we are spending more time using our Computers than trying to FIX THEM..If Windows is so GREAT, then why are there so many 3rd party software out that trys to fix it... Examples are Registry Mechanic, PcCillin Windows System Restore, etc..I have found that for me personally, Mac was the answer to my dreams, and for those who are happy with Windows, Good For You, but a lot of us apparently don't have that kind of luck.. To each his own. And when asked, we will still say how happy we are with our Macs and why we left MS....Again, if you are happy with Windows and want to save money, good for you.. And if some of us want to spend a little more money, that is our call and we will share our Bliss and Happiness...
It's hard to know how to respond to someone who has experienced so much trouble with Windows and their PC - especially when so many Windows users simply do not experience the issues you do. I found NT and XP to be two stable operating systems. Do they have faults - sure, so does Unix but who cares. Maybe you emit some radiation at a frequency that irritates Windows-based PCs - it makes much more sense to me than blaming all of your experiences on Windows, or the hardware, or the third-party applications, or the lunar cycle, or the tide level......... enjoy your Mac.
Dave
Life doesn't come with a safety fence around it... enjoy it anyway.
If you can't come up with valid data to support your claimes that Apple hardware is superior to everyone else, by all means call the debate stupid and go run away...
Run away??? lol I have a life. This thread isn’t part of it.
I and others have come up with plenty of data regarding Mac performance and longevity, both for software and hardware.
Macs come with everything you need to plug and play. They have much better, more stable software and you get a bundle included in the price. The quality of PCs is entirely dependent on which manufacturer you choose. Macs are renowned for quality and fabulous design. All the Windows OSs are faulty no matter which computer these are used on. There are constant security issues, which Microsoft tends to take its sweet time to patch. There is plenty on the net regarding that.
Mac’s “Time Machine” makes back-ups painless and automatic. You refuse to acknowledge any of that. Like I said, whatever. (shrug)
Only trying to help a person make the right computer purchasing decision based on solid info. I know plenty of people who have recently switched to Macs and now wish that they had done it years ago. They no longer have to pay for some Windows guru to fix their machines.
Everyone must make their own choices and pay the price. I would rather pay for quality and not be bothered with eternal system failures, crashes, the blue screen of death and having to purchase all sorts of hardware and software extras because the PC with Windows didn’t come with them. In the end, the cost is about the same, all except for having to get a tech to fix the PCs. Peace of mind and ease of use is worth a lot to some people. Others seem to love being frustrated and believe that poorly functioning software is the way it’s supposed to be.
Again, one can run ANY software on a beautifully designed, cool Mac!
I work on PCs with Windows in the offices of colleagues and clients. However, for my money, I will only purchase Macs. Anyone worried about cost can get a used or refurbished model and save a bit. Macs hold their resale value, PCs do not.
Now, I am going to “run away” and have a Sunday.
* This post was
edited 11/01/09 10:28am by an administrator/moderator *
Intrepida
___________
“If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay at home.” – James Michener
Speaking of user frustration - How to fix Mac Freeze ups. Just because some Mac owners experience nothing but total bliss from their machines, as do many of us XP users, doesn't mean that everyone does. It is the fanatical single-minded denial that a Mac can do nothing wrong that bugs me. Apple went through their "Vista phase" with the first iMacs. They froze up, they had hard drive crashes (I've fixed two), they ate CD's (paper clip required), they overheated. I presume they have come a long way, but a google search for 'Mac freeze' turns up a number of Snow Leopard issues, not even mentioning the bug that can wipe out your account.
If you find Mac works better for you fine, but let's not pretend they have no faults. And please, I don't want to hear that "the deleting user account bug was only in certain cases" or "relative to Windows Mac breaks less". That isn't the point. The point is the head in the sand claim of perfection could suffer some adjustment.
Dave
On Edit: Although this post indicates it was edited by a moderator it apparently was not. It looks just as it did when I posted it originally. The moderators should be aware that when a post shows "* This post was edited 11/01/09 12:30pm by an administrator/moderator * " it carries the indication that there was something removed. In this case there were apparently no corrections.
* This post was
last
edited 11/01/09 11:48am by magicbus *
View edit history
colliehauler wrote: What do you think of the Panasonic toughbook?
My daughter is a Panasonic rep, and was previously an outside rep for a major Panasonic reseller. She works with a lot of midwest police agencies and fire and ambulance districts, including the Missouri Highway Patrol. She's gotten rave reviews from them for the Toughbook. Last week she showed me a photo that she got from the St. Louis PD, showing a Toughbook with a bullet hole completely through the screen. The unit was still working, although she doesn't recommend doing that.
NOTE: This is not intended to be a commercial.
This IS NOT A BASH on the Toughbook. However, we have used them for about 5 years . From the CF-27 to the CF -30.. The Battery life is short, very.. We are running XP PRO and we are CONSTANTLY HAVING TO REBOOT, Get Cut off Wireless have frozen issues..My thought is that the Applications we have running on top of XP are the Problem... I have spent 3 hours in the last 2 weeks on the phone with our Technician Support Center or TSC..If I bought this at a computer store,I would have got my money BACK!!! It is this Frustrating.. We had one tech get so angry he threw the computer thru his back window... He had to go to a glass shop to avoid the boss finding out.. It is not the Panasonic, or Toshiba, or Dell... IT IS WINDOWS and 3rd Party applications... If they cant make it right, Don't make it, or try something else..
My husband would rather have my MacBook Pro than his Toughbook.
If you can't come up with valid data to support your claims that Apple hardware is superior to everyone else, by all means call the debate stupid and go run away...
Run away??? lol I have a life. This thread isn’t part of it.
I and others have come up with plenty of data regarding Mac performance and longevity, both for software and hardware.
The same data exists for standard PC hardware and Windows software. But since this thread started with and 95% of my comment focused on hardware, the simple fact is that Apple hardware is not in any way superior to standard PC hardware from any of the reputable manufactures as was initially alleged.
Macs come with everything you need to plug and play.
Again simply not true, I have friends who use Macs and they do indeed have to chase after and purchase additional hardware and software to perform the normal tasks they wish to do.
They have much better, more stable software and you get a bundle included in the price.
Again, this is myth, as for every Mac user with no software problems there are 100 Windows PC users with no software problems. Windows PCs used to come with bundles software, however the free market determined that most users preferred an ala-cart approach, so bundles are mostly gone from the Windows PC world.
The quality of PCs is entirely dependent on which manufacturer you choose.
Yes, certainly and there is not a valid comparison to be made with the proprietary single source hardware in the Apple world. As it stands today, pretty much all the PC hardware you will find in the major retail stores is high quality. Some low cost brands lack cosmetics, however the actual hardware is quality and reliable.
Macs are renowned for quality and fabulous design.
Yes, however only by Mac fans. Windows PC users are not generally swayed by cosmetics and look for function and value.
All the Windows OSs are faulty no matter which computer these are used on.
Absolutely false, and there are millions of Windows users who can confirm this.
There are constant security issues, which Microsoft tends to take its sweet time to patch. There is plenty on the net regarding that.
There is plenty of hype on the 'net about these security issues, however in reality most Windows users do not have any security issues. My Win2K server sitting in my garage has been my web and mail server, exposed to the 'net 24x265 for better than 6 years and has yet to experience a security issue.
Mac’s “Time Machine” makes back-ups painless and automatic. You refuse to acknowledge any of that. Like I said, whatever. (shrug)
Huh? Windows has no issues with backups either and hasn't in years. I'm not sure exactly how this "time machine" feature works since I don't use Macs, however if it does not involve off site storage, it is not a safe backup strategy. Where I work there are regulatory requirements for backups and off site is required. For my personal Windows PCs, I also have an off site backup process for important data.
Only trying to help a person make the right computer purchasing decision based on solid info. I know plenty of people who have recently switched to Macs and now wish that they had done it years ago. They no longer have to pay for some Windows guru to fix their machines.
I know a number of former Mac users who have switched to Windows after spending some time trying them and finding that the Apple anti Windows propaganda simply was not true.
Everyone must make their own choices and pay the price. I would rather pay for quality and not be bothered with eternal system failures, crashes, the blue screen of death and having to purchase all sorts of hardware and software extras because the PC with Windows didn’t come with them. In the end, the cost is about the same, all except for having to get a tech to fix the PCs. Peace of mind and ease of use is worth a lot to some people. Others seem to love being frustrated and believe that poorly functioning software is the way it’s supposed to be.
Again, the allegations you make of "eternal system failures, crashes," etc. are simply not true and tens of millions of Windows users know that. In the end, the cost is not "about the same", Macs TCO is higher as shown by numerous studies. In my couple decades with Windows PCs I have never had to rely on any tech to fix any of my machines.
Again, one can run ANY software on a beautifully designed, cool Mac!
When you have Mach3 (www.machsupport.com) running on your Apple hardware let me know. When the cosmetics of the package have any bearing on the functionality of the hardware within, let me know.
I work on PCs with Windows in the offices of colleagues and clients. However, for my money, I will only purchase Macs. Anyone worried about cost can get a used or refurbished model and save a bit. Macs hold their resale value, PCs do not.
Macs hold their resale value since they are so scarce and since the users have paid such a premium for them that they can not afford to upgrade / replace them frequently.
Now, I am going to “run away” and have a Sunday.
Yep, once I finish my lunch I'll be back out doing yard work on this feautiful day. Have fun.
Offline
