1) The prices at shows generally better than at dealer even this time of year? The folks who are selling at the Shows ARE the area dealers...and in order to be placed on the RV Manufacturers Lists of preferred dealers...the Dealers are motived to sell off the 2013's in order to get what they want in the volume they need of the newest 2014 models next year.
2) Financing available and are the rates comparable and or better? Rates have generally never been lower than currently available. It relly depends on yur credit score...so make sure to get a copy of your score at "Free Credit Score.com" or another credit score company first!
3) Usually order the trailer, correct? Then who am I going to be purchasing it from? Is this going to have dealers and or manufacturers? Maybe I should go back and look at the website again.
Most likely the Dealers that will be there will have your desired make and model there already..and/or can get it quickly.
4) If I order and then it arrives and there are problems will I still need to take delivery? Guess that would be the same as if I purchased from a local dealer. Again, the model you want is likely there and can be examined prior to signing for it. And it will be under the manufacturers warranty.
That's a start but basically what are the do's and don'ts. DO NOT BE PRESSURED INTO BUYING ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT! Walk away!
More gas saving tips for better Motorhome Mileage-
Put Helium in the tires, add hundreds of helium balloons to the roof, use feather pillows on your bed, buy only one ply toilet paper and switch to drinking Pepsi Light.
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Be nice to the OP!
If Markus, the Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President of Good Sams/Camping World/Woodalls and FreedomRoads...a $100 Million Dollar (plus!) Company can take the time to respond directly to the poster with a reasonable answer....that's good enough to earn my famous RV.Net Fordsooperdooty 5 gold star rating!
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Welcome to the Forum Joe! We're all glad you joined up.
The Jayco Melborne is an excellant choice...lower profile than a Class C such as the Minnie Winnie, Jayco Redhawk and Greyhawks.
Jayco is the 3rd largest RV builder in the World, the largest family owned RV builder, and one of the oldest RV companies as well....46 years just building great RV's.
As mentioned, the 2 year bumper to bumper warranty is a real plus...if you ever should need it! It includes 2 years of free roadside assist, towing, lockout/key service and maps/trip planning. The Melborne is NOT entry level, nor is it "lower middle market"!
Melbourne is not 138" tall like the typical Class C motorhome. It's 10" shorter in height at 128". Better for handling, fuel economy and aerodynamics.
Unlike some of the Motorhomes in this Class, the Jayco has Vacuum Laminated roof, walls and floors. 10 Times less likely to delaminate than Winniebago's glued walls and roof.
And the Jayco roof has a seamless, one piece Fiberglass construction with a remarkable R-23 insulation! The front one piece fiberglass cap is under warranty for 30 months. You also get standard 15,000 BTU roof A/C instead of the smaller 13,500 others have standard (Winnie). And Jayco has a standard tankless water heater, and standard Onan 4000 watt genny...optional on the Winnie!
Other stuff Jayco gives you as standard is a stabilizer bar..."Melbourne’s rear stabilizer bar raises and lowers each side of the unit to similar heights, reducing roll when cornering. No other Class C is equipped with this."
Bilstein shocks. "Bilstein shock absorbers, not found on other Class Cs, reduce bounce and eliminate excessive sway. A unique monotube design doesn’t trap heat, reducing shock failure."
Hellwig helper springs. "Fluctuating loads impact alignment, reduce traction and diminish handling. Hellwig helper springs correct this, compressing under loads to level out your RV." All build right into the Jayco.
Still doesn't sound like a "entry level" RV to me! ;)
Best of luck...and "choose wisely grasshopper!"
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Gas lighting went out of style in the 1890's.
Switch to 100% LED lighting....uses 87% LESS electricity and lasts 25 times longer that regular bulbs....and as an added bonus you won't blow up your rig with propane and/or asphyxiate and have your lips turn blue shortly before meeting your Maker!
When I use the Untra-Fab 5th wheel tripod under the tongue, I bring th 5er pin down into the cup and put some weight on the tripod from the pin box. You'll hear the weight of the 5er settling on the tripod...and thats when it really cuts the movement when used in conjunction with your stabilizer jacks. Also using Lynx Leverlers under the sissor jacks and extending the jacks as little as possible helps dial out the "jello wiggle".
"Why do the sides of my propane tank freeze up?"
"As you use the vapor propane (that resides in the top of the tank), the liquid (in the bottom of the tank) begins to release replacement vapors. The liquid propane inside your tank must absorb warmth from the steel walls of your tank in order to convert the liquid to a vapor.
If your vapor withdrawal rate is larger than the liquid conversion rate, the steel will begin to freeze and ice up as the liquid propane is demanding
more and more warmth."
Big County is a Heartland RV which has moved to being the 4th best selling 5er company even tho Heartland has only been around for 4 years! When they started, several guys from other RV companies canme over to Heartland and hit the ground running. Innovative floor plans and unique building technics made customers sit up and buy! And customer service was supurb! Thor owns Heartland...and usually screws up the companies they buy...but Heartland was allowed to run as a competely seperate division and is one of the best.
The Silverback is Forest River product, the 2nd largest RV manufacturer and owned by Billionare Warren Buffet. The tremendous buying power of Buffet means that quality is not cut back and name brand equipment is used, and shortcuts are not taken. Buffet even has his Forest River Managers meet once week in his factorys and pull an RV off the line..and do a random quality audit on it. Every inch!
You've got a good eye for great RV's...and I'm biased towards Jayco!
Both companies FR and Heartland build high quality, well equipped and well made RV's with a LOT for your money. :B
So it would boil down to interior decor you like, floor plans and amenities that you like best!
For example the FR Silver back has as standards...
•LED Lighting w/ Lifetime Warranty *****
•10 Gallon Water Heater
•12 Volt Heating Pads on all Holding Tanks
•Roof and Underbelly - R38
•Sidewalls - R9
•30" x 48" Rectangular Shower w/Glass Doors
•Ducted 15,000 BTU Air Conditioner
•Brace and Wire for Second Air Conditioner
•Digital Thermostat for Heat and Air Conditioner
•Braced for Optional "Level-Up" Six-Point Hydraulic Level System
•Bathroom Breeze Fantastic Fan
•Create-A-Breeze Fantastic Fan w/Rain Sensor in Kitchen
•Cathedral Slide Rooms
•Docking Station w/Easy Access Bypass Valves
for the Water Heater Systems
•Enclosed and Insulated Underbelly w/Heating Pads on ALL Tanks
•Dexter E-Z Flex Rubber Equalization System
w/Greased Zerks and Bronze Bushings
•Dexter Nev-R-Adjust Brakes
•Dexter E-Z Lube Hubs
•16" Tires and Aluminum Rims
•Front Storage for Spare Tire
•LED Tail Lights and Lower Front Lights
•Lighted Entry Step
•55 Amp Converter w/Charger
•50 Amp Power Cord
•New Interior - Hickory Glazed Maple Hardwood
•Solid Wood Fascia - No Wrapped Foam - Try the "Tap Test"
•Serta® Residential Dreamscape Mattress
•Porcelain Toilet w/Top Swirl Flush
•"Soft Top" Vinyl Storm Doors Silverback Explorer Package (Mandatory Options)
•LED, Flat Panel, HD Ready Television in Living Room and Bedroom
•12 Volt CD/DVD, AM/FM Stereo
•Two (2) Exterior Waterproof Patio Speakers
•8 Cu. Ft., Wood Front Refrigerator
•30" Over the Range Microwave w/ Vent
•LG Hi-MACS Classic Solid Surface Countertops
•True Nobel Classic "Pearl" Gel Coat Exterior
•Black Tank Flush
•Bathroom Breeze Power Fan
•Rear Stabilizer Jacks
•Front Hydraulic Jacks
•Entire Water Filtration System
•Cedar Creek Switch Control Center
•Winegard HD Roof Satellite Prep
WIRELESS REMOTE CONTROL SYSTEM
Secondary wireless control system on key fob
Controls slide rooms, electric awning,
front and rear jacks, and outside lights
HAND CRAFTED BORDEAUX CABINETRY
All Cabinet Frames are Pre-Drilled and screwed together - not stapled
Euro style spring loaded on each cabinet door Hidden Hinges
Deluxe Ball-Bearing Drawer Guides
UNIVERSAL DOCKING CENTER
Tank drain pull controls with enclosed gate valves
Hot / Cold Exterior shower sprayer
Black Tank Flush
Water hook up – city and tank fill *ALL IN ONE*
RG-6 coaxial cable hook up
Dual Satellite Hook Up (Roof OR Tri-Pod)
Winterization valves and water heater bypass
BIGGEST EXTERIOR STORAGE In Class: Over 145 Cubic Feet of Storage!
Large Insulated Slam Style Access Doors on compartments
Unobstructed Pass-Through Design
110V Outlet &Cable TV Plug
12V Trunk Lights
Large Walk-In Front Wardrobe
Two Windows in Slide for Better Air Flow
Over 6’-4” full profile Bedroom Ceiling Height Throughout
Reading Lights Over Bed
Speakers in Bedroom
12V Sound System
2 Molded Security Lights
Light at Entry Step
LAMINATED FLOOR CONSTRUCTION
Strong Aluminum Framing
Block Foam Insulation
3/8” Seamless Decking (No squeaks)
Thermo-Board Luan on the Bottom
LAMINATED ROOF CONSTRUCTION
5” Laminated - Block Foam with Aluminum framing
Fully walk able Roof
One-Piece Seamless roof protection
LAMINATED WALL CONSTRUCTION
High gloss gelcoated exterior walls
2” thick, 6 layered sidewall
Double-Welded Aircraft Quality Aluminum throughout
FRAME & LANDING GEAR
Strong 12” I-Beam Frame
w/Drop Frame (most models)
Hydraulic Front Jacks
Heavy Duty Rear Stabilizer Jacks
Correct Track alignment
Heavy-Duty E-Rated 16” Radial Tires
Dexter EZ Flex Suspension with shocks
7,000 lb. Axles
2¼” x 12” Nev-R-Adjust Brakes on each hub
ABS Fender Skirts
Seamless Corrugated Underbelly Material
Heated, enclosed, and insulated underbelly, holding tanks and gate valves
Color-Coded Plumb-PLEX™ Water Lines
75 Gallon Fresh Water system
90 Gallon Gray and 45 Gallon black tanks
(2) 30# LP bottles
80 AMP/12V DC Power Converter with charge wizard
50 Amp Detachable Marine Cord
110V Exterior Electrical Receptacles
40,000 BTU Furnace
Heated Stool Room
15,000 BTU ducted Air Conditioner
Air Conditioned Stool Room
Wired and Prepped for 2nd A/C
Walls – R11 Insulation (calculated)
Roof – R38 Insulation (calculated)
Floor - R38 Insulation (calculated)
Slide Rooms Floor - R38 Insulation
MAIN SLIDE ROOMS
7’2” Slide Room Ceiling Height
Cabinets Above Sofa
Hydraulic Operating System with manual override
w/One-Piece Weather-proof Floor Pan
Decorative Glass Inserts in Overheads
110V Ceiling Fan
with Light Kit (most models)
FOR YOUR PROTECTION & SAFETY
Smoke Detectors on Ceiling
Fire Extinguisher by Entry Door
LP Gas & CO2 Detectors inside Unit
Exterior Security Flood Lights
Break Away cable Switch
Deadbolt Lock on Entrance Door
120V GFI Protected Outlets
Fire Escape Windows
All Safety Glass Windows
12V Hitch Light
Stainless steel appliances, sink, and hardware
Room for Large Trash Can
Residential Sized Cabinets with euro
style hidden hinges
Residential Size under mounted Stainless Steel Sink
Deep Residential Size Drawers
Large, Deep Pantry w/Adjustable Shelves plus pull out pantries
Standard Fantastic Vent with Wall Mounted Thermostat and Rain Sensor
6’-4” Bath/Bed Ceiling Height Throughout
Large Medicine Cabinet
Vanity Light Bar and Wall Mirrors
Vessel sink with added countertop
One-Piece Fiberglass Shower
Mega-Bath (select models) with Glass Shower Surround
Adjustable Shower Head
Skylight over Shower
Power Roof Ventilation
Porcelain Commode w/Foot Flush
And Heartland-Unusual for a RV Manufacturer...will do custom stuff during construction.
"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
Google "Anti-Home Owner Associations" and you may have some pretty good info! Florida seems to have more Home Owner Gestapo organizations than any other state.
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I ask folks why do they still use grese on their hitches, sliders and sway bars?
Back in the covered wagon, Steam Locomotives and stagecoach days people used tallow and lard fat for lubes and greasing up axles. Why do we still use ancient technology? Why do we put up with the mess and stained clothing, drips and runs and halfass lubribility?
Buy a can of Slip Plate Dry Graphite Spray and move forward. It uses a thin film of dry graphite.
I use it on my Jayco 5er and the Pullrite Superglide Plate nd Glide Rails..no galling or mess, no build up or run off.
"SLIP Plate Aerosol is the original, convenient to use, dry-film graphite lubricant. This superior product produces a very slick barrier between metal surfaces that reduces sliding friction and build-up to help reduce corrosion. The coating is naturally hydrophobic and repels rain, snow, and mud that can cause materials to stick to surfaces.
Works great on metal, wood and most polymer surfaces. Use SLIP Plate Aerosol as a part of a regular maintenance schedule, to extend the life of equipment, help reduce maintenance costs, and productivity losses."
And you'll find a thousand uses around the home..garage door opener, door hinges, lawn mowers, saws, slider windows, RV slideouts, throttle cables, etc.
Most Farm Supply Stores, Grainger and Hardware Stores carry it....$10.00 for a 12 oz can is average.
Camping World has Protect-All but it is NOT a Graphite Dry Lube.
I give it a 5 star rating! ***** You'll save 10 times that on grease stained and ruined clothing!
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It's not just for looks, the "V" nose actually does help handling in the wind as well as a slight fuel mileage increase vs a typical "pulling brick" travel trailer. 2 mpg better per at least 3 owners I've talked to. Plus the V-Cross has some pretty neat floorplans.
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Anything that contains ANY percentage of Petroleum Distillates will destroy and remove the vinyl graphics "Plasticizers", compounds that keep the vinyl supple and protcted from UV (sun) damages. Then decals will curl, crack and peal.
You CAN NOT REVERSE the damage to the decals.
Never wax the decals. Use 303 Aerospace or Protect-all...both are at Camping World. Somtimes small bottles at WalMart.
Armor All contains Ether and Isopropyl Alcohol, both destroy vinyl and the adhesives. Anything that contains ANY percentage of Petroleum Distillates will destroy and remove the vinyl graphics "Plasticizers", compounds that keep the vinyl supple and protcted from UV (sun) damages. Then decals will curl, crack and peal.
Never wax the decals. Use ONLY 303 Aerospace or Protect-all. SAFE STUFF!
Armor All contains Ether and Isopropyl Alcohol, both destroy vinyl and the adhesives.
My Jayco is now almost 9 years old...looks brand new. The tires are uncracked, the vinyl is smooth and unfaded, the plastics are pristine.
303 is Amazing. Use it sparingly...I wet a rag with it and wipe it on. Keeps tires from cracking too.
Its actually not justa industry award...it points out which RV Companies py their warranty claims in a timely manner..which means cash flow is quicker for the dealer that gets your RV warranty work done in a timely manner.
It was and is a great way to identify brands that respond quickly in keeping you and the dealers satisfied.
It includes factory Sales support (Brochures, Ad's, Promotions, Shows), Sales territory (limiting other dealers nearby tht sell the same brands), vehicle design (are the designs consistant with what we want?), Vehicle reliability/quality (a quality made RV causes less need for RV Dealer to repair sold units), Competitive price/value (th dealer want to sell stuff that we'll actually buy!), Parts support (can the dealer get needed replacement parts in a hurry?), Dealership warranty support (dealer needs parts quickly so the customer can go camping!) and Overall dealer communications (does the dealer follow up with the RV Owner).
So yes...its a good thing to reward good dealerships and great brands that really care for their customers.
I'm happy for ya! Glad you got the Elite Package, it adds to an already pretty loaded trailer Hard Valances w/ Side Curtains, Night Shades, Décor-Matched Borders, Sink Covers, the AM/FM/CD/DVD Stereo and 24" LED TV, Access Doors Under Dinette, Deluxe Graphics, nice looking Aluminum Wheels,Ground Effects—Metal Skirting & ABS Fender Skirts, and Slam Latch Doors at Pass-Thru as well as Magnetic Door Catches and a front mounted Stone Guard, Hot/Cold Outside Shower, propane Bottle Covers too. Nice and congratulations!
One thing I noticed at a recent RV Show was that Forest Rivers Coachmen RV's under the guidance and the big cash flow of Mr. Warren Buffet...have really grown as far as quality control, name brand componants, terrific value and truely nice coaches.
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We all know what the loss of loving dog means to us...we also all know the memory of each and every dog we have been blessed with will live as long as we do.
I love this quote from Will Rogers..who says it better than I could...
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." -- Will Rogers
"You think dogs will not be in heaven? I tell you, they will be there long before any of us." - Robert Louis Stevenson
Unless you are married to the Winnie and Coachmen Class C...and since they aparently don't have have you want...look at some of the other brands.
Membrane roofs should not be a negative factor in considering a new RV. So you shouldn't automatically disqualify a Class C brand because of the membrane roofs. And Fiberglass roofs like Winnebago uses aren't maintenance free either.
Winnabago uses a thin sheet of filon fiberglass bonded to foam just like most RV's walls. You still have to recaulk them just like membrane roofs, and tree branches can also punch holes in it just like Membrane Covered roofs.
The newest RV Roofing membrane materials are rugged, long lasting and almost completely maintenance free (aside from routine recaulking the edges and roof vents).
Jayco and Forest River uses the new Alpha Systems vinyl roofing material. Unlike older roofing systems, it doesn't break down like the tpo/rubber roof membrane did, it has a golf-ball like stippling like texture to it.
Look at the Forest River Forester Class C's, the Forest River Lexingtons (Forest River is owned by Billionaire Warren Buffet his trendous buying power means better quality and actual quality name brand stuff used in making one!).
Jayco Greyhawks and Redhawk (they all have 100% high pressure laminated construction) 10 times less likely to delaminate than the walls that the Winnebago's has.
Jayco's also have a 2 year bumper to bumper warranty, in business (same family) since 1967 and Jayco has double the edge seals as other brands which also helps keep leaks away.
Spend time researching online AND looking at dealership and RV Shows.
Lazy Daze is excellant quality and basically hand made to your order here in Southern California by a 57 Year old company...roomy and open floorplans, and considering this level of good stuff are still priced reasonably...but NOT available with slideouts.
One of our great Forum Members is Chris Bryant of "Bryant RV", he sells and services RV's, PM him OR go to Bryant RV's website as he has owners manuals and repair manuals on line for furnaces, ovens and other RV componants, as well as helpful suggestions.
I believe the thermo-coupler bulb can be slid back and forth in its holder brcket to reposition it into the path of the pilot light or away from it.
HERE-Bryant RV Website