1jeep wrote: Yeah i thought so....such a horrible product yet others would take it off my hands...your so kind sir!
Note he didn't say what he would pay you, just that he would "I will give you a standing offer to buy yours (and Rick's) Ford 6.7 off you at my standing offer price."
I'll take it off your hands also, if the price is right, say maybe 10K. I should be able to part it out and triple my investment.
You don't get as big as Ford by rolling over and playing dead, deny, deny, deny, deny, then only pay just before you have to go to court. That way you can say that you have never had to settle a court decided judgement. That's what they did with me, days before our court date I received a new truck out of court. this way the case was dismissed and they don't look bad.
Don
Perrysburg Dodgeboy 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab SLT Cummins HO
2005 Keystone Cougar 304 BHS
Chrysler the only one to pay back 100% of their loans from the Government. *The Old Car Company" still owes 1.6 billion. Is that better Chuckles
It can happen with any manufaturer...i am not defending ford! Currently my wifes 2010 Cadilac is back at the dealer for the third time, now they are acting like we have done something to cause the HVAC and seats to stop working.
Keep beating the horse, be it either alive or dead, until the truth comes out. I have a 2008 6.4L that is alive and well for now, but I'll never know for sure it stays that way. some of you think it's no big deal, but if Ford or my insurance denies repairs or payment based on this pump or fuel issues, I for one could not afford $10-12,000 for a new engine. I do the draining, filters, etc regularly per the diesel supplement. But there is a fear each day I take it out that it could be my last. Would you like that feeling? I doubt it.
I do have a back up plan should I have a catastrophic failure that my insurance or Ford will not cover. But I sure won't say it here.
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote: snip....
You don't get as big as Ford by rolling over and playing dead, deny, deny, deny, deny, then only pay just before you have to go to court. That way you can say that you have never had to settle a court decided judgement. That's what they did with me, days before our court date I received a new truck out of court. this way the case was dismissed and they don't look bad.
Anyone remember how the Japanese won over most of the Americans away
from Detroit iron?
They had poorer products, generally, than Detroit in the early days.
What was different was that they honored their warranties WITH OUT
fuss and provided that service with a smile
Then they improved their quality and continued to honor their warranties
with a smile
Till to this day, they have such a loyal following that their customers
are blind to the fact that Japanese Auto Makers have adopted the
American bean counter management metrics so that they are losing their
own cultural 'smile' and service the customer metrics
Detroit still doesn't get it...
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
I am rather sympathetic to Ford because they were (as a company) traumatized by the 6.0 debacle.
When all the shooting is done, Ford ended up paying out a lot of warranty claims that should never have been paid.
Warranty fraud on the 6.0 was rampant.
It is not clear to me that the product ever made money for them.
As a result, Ford developed elaborate enhancements and procedures to cut warranty costs.
A lot of that is in the software that since 2008, closely monitor what the customer is doing, logging everything, and quietly feeds the data back to Ford every time the vehicle is plugged in to a dealer computer.
Don't believe me? Just read the manual from the 2008 and later models and note the explicit advice to owners that Ford is collecting data (and authorization).
As a result of the new enhancements, it can be fairly said that a majority of claims involving tuners, emission tampering, etc. have been denied --- fairly.
A Ford tech today, on any major warranty claim, have to spend hours not fixing --- but documenting the repair with a elaborate ritual that is intended to limit (not eliminate) warranty fraud and abuse.
The problem is, sometimes, this hard line approach can make a mistake --- where the customer is right, and Ford and the dealers buggered up.
That is what happened in some cases with the CP 4 pump.
Understand and also hypothesize that RFID's will, too soon, be embedded into OEM
components. Plus all sorts of after market components/systems
That will then be captured into the PROM and read by the vehicle OEM
Of course all encrypted with the OEM the only one with the key(s)
I licensed out the basis for RFID's when was in SunLabs. Smart Chip and was
for the good of mankind (medical cards and ID cards back then)
Then all too soon strain gauges at key, high stress areas.
All of the information is there and now all it will take is to stitch
it all together. Especially now that memory is cheap enough to have
lots and lots...
Consumer fraud has done this and bean counter mentality in all OEMs loves this
potential 'control' over their products.
Feel for Ford, but just a tiny bit...as they are the ones who brought out their
6.0L diesel, so they basically brought it on themselves....as any OEM who produces
an inferior product does to themselves
Back on the Japanese...they dropped bad dealerships like hot potatoes
and dealt fairly with their customers. Detroit lost me on their cars
back in the 70's. Still a Detroit full sized truck guy, but at times
they make it tough...and the fact that the Japanese CEO's and upper
management has not adopted Detroit (American corporate) bean counter
bottom line metrics. The latest Toyota throttle fiasco is telling...
{edit}....Almost went back to Detroit cars after dad passed and got
his Caddy STS. Wonderful and finally knew why all the grand kids fought
to drive him around town in his Caddy...till the coolant started to
go low often. Finally found some info over at my boy racer forum...a TWO PIECE ALUMINUM BLOCK!!!!!???? and that none of
the local machine shops would touch it. Only S Cal shops and mostly
for sand rail applications.
Or that GM had direct injection in the early 2000's but bean counters
thought such a great thing, they would squeeze the market by only
allowing it on their flagship...CTS's....they lost their chance to Ford
who brought the EgoBoost trucks with direct injection
Black box recorders have been installed in OEM vehicles for over a
decade. Again, now that memory is cheap enough, all of the vehicle
computers are stuffed with enough so that they don't have to overwrite
themselves as often, if at all
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