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Topic: Removing black tank

Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 08:20am

I'm seriously thinking that I want to remove the toilet and tank in my vintage B and replace it with an easily emptied porta-john. My wife and I seldom use it and the black water tank is a pain since there is nowhere around here to dump it. For the few times we use it I would think some of the newer johns would be better for us as I could just dump it down my septic. I can't get the van close to dump the black water tank and really don't want to deal with it. It would be nice if there was one I could bolt down and still have the water for flushing/rinsing still hooked up to it.

Is there a porta-john that has a self contained, easily carried and dumped storage tank? Any suggestions or comments?


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Posted By: Handbasket on 03/05/12 09:09am

Google 'cassette toilet'.

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Posted By: NewsW on 03/05/12 09:11am

Cassette toilet or the standard porta potti that is available in any Wallymart or Camp store.

I tend to favor the porta potti


Posted By: jim1632 on 03/05/12 09:30am

I have been doing research on this topic. Cassette toilets are more or less permanently mounted but will need an access door for removing the cassette tank that holds the black water.

A porta-potti has a bottom section that you separate in order to dump it. It would not be permanently mounted.

Unless you have a way to create the permanent access door for the cassette removal, it seems you are in the porta-potti business.

Removing the toilet, black tank and associated plumbing can be done separately from disconnecting the clean-water supply. What you could do is to attach a shower sprayer to the old supply line to fill the potty or cassette tank. Alternatively, most Bs have a shower line that could do the same job. I don't think a permanent water supply is possible with either toilet alternative, although most likely for a cassette type.


Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 10:36am

A shower head for cleaning/flushing is a good idea. I can retro fit the water feed for the existing toilet.

Putting a access door in for a cassette is possible but I think I would just as well look for a porta potty I can fasten down some way. I will look for some how-to videos on different models and dumping them to see if that will be what I'm looking for.


Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 10:56am

Downloaded the manual for the Porta Potti 465. Looks like it has a hold down kit so I think it will fit my requirements. It also has a 4 gal. flush so between that and a small shower hose it should be fine.
Should be able to do it all for under $200. I'll have to see if my local RV place will remove the black water tank and toilet.


Posted By: Horizon170 on 03/05/12 11:16am

Just a thought, but you could get a macerator pump and keep your same tank. I dump at home using this method and dump into a cleanout.


Marvin



Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 11:29am

Horizon170 wrote:

Just a thought, but you could get a macerator pump and keep your same tank. I dump at home using this method and dump into a cleanout.


Unfortunately We have a septic system and can't get near it with the B.


Posted By: DiploStrat on 03/05/12 12:33pm

Have you considered using a "composting" toilet like a Nature's Head, Air Head, or C-Head?

Something like this: http://www.natureshead.net/


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Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 01:00pm

DiploStrat wrote:

Have you considered using a "composting" toilet like a Nature's Head, Air Head, or C-Head?

Something like this: http://www.natureshead.net/


They look very interesting but a little over my budgeted cost for the entire project. Base price is well over $800.00.


Posted By: My Roadtrek on 03/05/12 02:09pm

Even with a septic tank you should still have clean outs. A Macerator will pump uphill 50 to 75 feet.






Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 02:26pm

We do have a septic clean-out but it's too far and I don't want to deal with it for the little use the black water system gets.


Posted By: Bob N. on 03/05/12 03:32pm

Hi,
We used a porta-potti for a number of years in a home-made B minus and it worked ok. The only problem is that it's a bit of a hassel to remove the top portion of the unit, particularly if it's full of water, then unlatch the bottom portion and lug it to the disposal site. The larger models that have enough volume for infrequent emptying are fairly heavy, and if you are having to wrestle it out of a tight space it is difficult. As far as anchoring the unit, we used a simple strap with buckle that ran under a cleat on the floor and through the carrying handle on the back of the base. Worked like a charm.


Bob N
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Posted By: Atlee on 03/05/12 03:42pm

Why go through the drill of removing the black tank & related plumbing? Wouldn't it be better to just remove the toilet, and blank off the entrance to the black tank?

I suppose if you're planning to completely wearout your B, it doesn't matter. But if you plan to sell it at some point, not having the black tank will severely devalue the ability to resell it.

At least it would if I were in the market. First mention of no black tank, and I'd move on. Of course, I may be the distinct minority on this.


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Posted By: OldRadios on 03/05/12 04:17pm

It's a 1985. My guess is it won't affect the value at all...


Posted By: dicknellen on 03/05/12 05:19pm

In effect you will no longer have a self contained motor home and will make it very hard to sell in the future. Pull the toilet if you want and cover the drain to the black tank, but leave the black tank attached to the RV.
Regards, Dick


Posted By: loving retirement on 03/05/12 09:54pm

OldRadios wrote:

Horizon170 wrote:

Just a thought, but you could get a macerator pump and keep your same tank. I dump at home using this method and dump into a cleanout.


Unfortunately We have a septic system and can't get near it with the B.

I have been told of RVer's that have pumped 100 feet and also up hill with a macerator. I have had one for five years and just use an old garden hose to a clean-out, but others just use a toilet.


Posted By: 1775 on 03/05/12 11:29pm

Why not just leave everything that you have, use the toilet, and dump into one of these -

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/pro........d-smarttote-lx-portable-waste-tanks/6073

It has to be a lot easier to carry into a home toilet to dump than sloshing into the house with the porta-potty tank. And a lot cheaper than going to the expense of ripping apart your RV and buying the porta-potty.


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Posted By: OldRadios on 03/06/12 05:24am

1775 wrote:

Why not just leave everything that you have, use the toilet, and dump into one of these -

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/pro........d-smarttote-lx-portable-waste-tanks/6073

It has to be a lot easier to carry into a home toilet to dump than sloshing into the house with the porta-potty tank. And a lot cheaper than going to the expense of ripping apart your RV and buying the porta-potty.


1775, Thanks! That looks like a great alternative to replacing the system.


Posted By: candlback on 03/06/12 01:57pm

My previous camper van had a porta potty and I needed to dump it almost daily. As I got older I realized that I may not be able to tote it to a handy toilet someplace. And I noticed that some campground or picnic toilets have signs prohibiting porta potty dumping.

Now I have a Roadtrek with a black tank. Except that we only pee into the system and poop into plastic bags (I learned that from an Okie Toilet). This means that we have more capacity in the black tank for stuff. I installed a macerator and can pump my black tank right into the bushes by the house when at home. No smell, no tp bits, and I flush with grey right after.


Candlback


Posted By: Horizon170 on 03/06/12 02:14pm

OldRadios wrote:

Horizon170 wrote:

Just a thought, but you could get a macerator pump and keep your same tank. I dump at home using this method and dump into a cleanout.


Unfortunately We have a septic system and can't get near it with the B.

I can easily pump 50-75 feet with my macerator pump. Black first and then the grey to clean out the pump and hoses.
Just a thought


Posted By: booboo98498 on 03/07/12 06:01pm

We have a cleanout pipe about 75-100 feet from where I can get the motorhome close to. I got a Sewer Solution from Camping World and it works great to empty the tanks into the cleanout pipe. Just hook a garden hose up to it, turn it on and open the black or grey tank valve. Just make sure you have all the proper hoses hooked up before you open the black tank valve (voice of experience!!).


Posted By: My Roadtrek on 03/07/12 08:07pm

I don't know about the sewer solution, but for the macerator, a 3/4" hose is recomended, most garden hoses are a 1/2" and I would think too small for a run of 50' and more.


Posted By: OldRadios on 03/07/12 09:10pm

Thanks for all the suggestions and input. I actually think the Thetford SmartTote LX portable dump tank is a solution I would try for dumping at the house. Don't have to change out the toilet, not a lot of hose to deal with, and it keeps the van in the RV class.


Posted By: loving retirement on 03/08/12 09:37pm

My Roadtrek wrote:

I don't know about the sewer solution, but for the macerator, a 3/4" hose is recomended, most garden hoses are a 1/2" and I would think too small for a run of 50' and more.

I use a 50 foot 5/8 inch garden hose and it has worked for five years.


Posted By: My Roadtrek on 03/09/12 05:59am

loving retirement wrote:

My Roadtrek wrote:

I don't know about the sewer solution, but for the macerator, a 3/4" hose is recomended, most garden hoses are a 1/2" and I would think too small for a run of 50' and more.

I use a 50 foot 5/8 inch garden hose and it has worked for five years.


A little harder on the motor I guess, but if your happy thats all that matters.


Posted By: PSW on 03/09/12 06:36am

I pump my RT through a heavy duty 3/4 inch hose one hundred feet long. Bought it a few years ago on sale for $50 at a farm supply chain store (Tractor Supply). I discharge direct into the cleanout for my home's sewer system. Looking at the volume and pressure discharging a 100 feet, I suspect I would have no trouble at all of discharging two hundred feet as long as it was level or a few degrees down slope. I was amazed at how well it works. 3/4 inch hose has a volume capacity of a little over twice a 1/2 incher.


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