Jerrybo66 wrote: If I were buying a used trailer I would definitely check the roof. If I saw patches, no matter what the seller told me, no matter what the condition of the rest of the trailer, I would be "outta there." Just my thought.....
I'm neutral. It depends on how the EB is installed. However, EB definitely lasts longer than caulk, especially in the Texas heat and UV rays.
Jerrybo66 wrote: If I were buying a used trailer I would definitely check the roof. If I saw patches, no matter what the seller told me, no matter what the condition of the rest of the trailer, I would be "outta there." Just my thought.....
As this technology becomes more common, there will be fewer people thinking that Eterna are "patches" placed due to leaks, and not a preventive measure like seller says. I think very few today think like that.
It is my opinion that eternabond is not patchwork unless you are covering leaks. Eternabond, professionally installed (I did my own) the entire length of all seams provides long term insurance that caulk can't provide. This doesn't mean I can't forget about the roof. There are still a few areas requiring maintenance with caulk, such as corners, gutter rails, etc. I also inspect and clean the roof regularly. I know I sleep better knowing that I have this insurance.
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Jerrybo66 wrote: If I were buying a used trailer I would definitely check the roof. If I saw patches, no matter what the seller told me, no matter what the condition of the rest of the trailer, I would be "outta there." Just my thought.....
As this technology becomes more common, there will be fewer people thinking that Eterna are "patches" placed due to leaks, and not a preventive measure like seller says. I think very few today think like that.
I am eternally grateful to be enlightened as to the uses of the EB patch material. If a potential buyer sees the EB material and isn't privilege to be knowledgeable in the new technology how is an uneducated person that "thinks like that" to know the differance between maintenance to a simple patch..Inquiring minds like to know..
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Jerry... Buyers that are uneducated and unwilling to learn anything do exist. Though, they seldom buy used units, mostly being aware of their limited expertise - just don't find necessary to learn. And, when they do buy a used unit, they at the very least make sure there is no water damage. With Eterna tape there is less chance of water damage. An uneducated buyer that wants a used unit and doesn't care to check it for water damage... probably there exist this kind of customers as well, though likely not in large numbers as this would not be a normal pattern of brain functioning.
Keep in mind that this is all good as long as the roof material is good, which is 15-17 years at best. 20 years old unit needs roof replacement - not roof repair or preventive sealing.
Almot wrote: Jerry... Buyers that are uneducated and unwilling to learn anything do exist. Though, they seldom buy used units, mostly being aware of their limited expertise - just don't find necessary to learn. And, when they do buy a used unit, they at the very least make sure there is no water damage. With Eterna tape there is less chance of water damage. An uneducated buyer that wants a used unit and doesn't care to check it for water damage... probably there exist this kind of customers as well, though likely not in large numbers as this would not be a normal pattern of brain functioning.
Keep in mind that this is all good as long as the roof material is good, which is 15-17 years at best. 20 years old unit needs roof replacement - not roof repair or preventive sealing.
I humbly bow to your superior knowledge of patched roof appearance but still wouldn't buy one of your farces. I have a tire with a blowout patch on it just in case I get a nail at that spot. Ya' wanna buy a tire? How about a house with a tarp covering part of the roof. It's just in case it may leak there. Give a buyer a break will ya'. We're not all blind and don't believe some people who think they live in a perfect world where all sellers tell the truth... As far as I'm conserned this thread is closed. Go hide your leaky roof and have a nice day Almot.. Amazing. I try not to get upset here but sometimes, Whatever....
Almot wrote: Jerry... Buyers that are uneducated and unwilling to learn anything do exist. Though, they seldom buy used units, mostly being aware of their limited expertise - just don't find necessary to learn. And, when they do buy a used unit, they at the very least make sure there is no water damage. With Eterna tape there is less chance of water damage. An uneducated buyer that wants a used unit and doesn't care to check it for water damage... probably there exist this kind of customers as well, though likely not in large numbers as this would not be a normal pattern of brain functioning.
Keep in mind that this is all good as long as the roof material is good, which is 15-17 years at best. 20 years old unit needs roof replacement - not roof repair or preventive sealing.
I humbly bow to your superior knowledge of patched roof appearance but still wouldn't buy one of your farces. I have a tire with a blowout patch on it just in case I get a nail at that spot. Ya' wanna buy a tire? How about a house with a tarp covering part of the roof. It's just in case it may leak there. Give a buyer a break will ya'. We're not all blind and don't believe some people who think they live in a perfect world where all sellers tell the truth... As far as I'm conserned this thread is closed. Go hide your leaky roof and have a nice day Almot.. Amazing. I try not to get upset here but sometimes, Whatever....
Your analogies are faulty, the same as comparing apples to kumquats. Caulking is one way to seal a seam. Eternabond tape is another. Caulking lasts only so long and frequently requires frequent inspection and maintenance to ensure no leaks will occur. RV manufacturers continue to use caulking because it's cheaper to buy and apply. They don't really give the north end of a southbound furry little rodent about how long it will last once you get and even will use lack of maintenance as a dodge to enable them to weasel out of paying for water damage while the RV is in warranty. Eternabond tape has an excellent track record of sealing better and lasting far longer than most caulks (some of the expensive marine caulks are possible exceptions) when properly applied.
Commercial roofers use Eternabond and other similar brands for sealing new EPDM installations because they cannot afford callbacks and warranty damage claims.
Eternabond sealent is great stuff but isn't a permanent fix and will need attention like any product that seals, or that is applied up there.
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Eternabond is good but NOT and end to caulking and not a guarantee against leaks. I had a roof replaced in october at the factory....they see leaky eternabond seals fom time to time and actually do not suggest using it. I think a lot has to do with what is under the tape....if too much caulk not a good bond. I have used it and won't again. The only leaky roof I ever had was done with eternabond....and it leaked even tho it looked great and well sealed. Now the bashing starts....lol.
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fordsooperdooty wrote: You can put 303 on the membrane roof...it wouldn't hurt anything. But it is not recommended by the companies that manufacture the roofing material such as Dicor.
As a matter of fact, they don't like the use of any coatings.
It's simply not needed, as the roof is already protected from UV/Sun Damage.
My thought is this.
1. The extra UV protectant will help keep the coated UV on longer.
2. Less buildup of the minerals on the roof will keep the black streaks down and less cleaning needed.
Just my thoughts.
I'm with you on these thoughts. I find that the roof doesn't get dirty as quick with the 303 on there. I think it rinses off better when it rains.
I have put Eternabond on a new TT. It was on the skylight. I had to do an emergency fix of a leak. Had I waited to get it to the dealer and them fix it the next day, there would have been damage. But as soon as it is out of warrantee, I will be applying Eternabond to some other things. I will go ahead and put Eternabond around the roof vents. I replaced those with Fantastic Fans.
My fiver has Eternabond on a number of things on the roof. The oldest up there is on the slideout. That has been there almost four years now, but is rarely exposed to the elements. The other stuff has been there for two years now. It is holding up fine.
JIMNLIN wrote: Remember the lap sealent up there is the second line of defense against a possible leak. The butyl tape under the fixture/jack is the first line of defense.
I check my '97 28' 5er with a rubber roof twice a year. Its never leaked. The first hairline crack in a small area showed up in '05. I added a small thin 1/8" layer of Dicor in the crack. The next hairline crack showed up in '09 part way across the front cap/roof joint and one side of the skylite. Again a small amount of self leveling Dicor did the trick.
Always apply a sealent per manufactures instructions.
That first line of defense only works for about 4 years in my experience. That is why I have delam on my fiver. They thought putting screws through the butyl tape would keep the water out. It did for four years. Now I have a second line of defense on vertical surfaces -- ProflexRV.
If you inspect your roof's second line of defense once a month, when you find a problem, your roof may have been leaking for a month once that first line of defense has reached the end of its life and you only have that second line left. To my knowledge, a good lap sealant that is covered with EB will hold up for a long time. So when you see the third line of defense (EB) has failed, the second line has saved you from a leak since the day the EB failed.
BTW: some manufacturers use EB in the manufacturing process.
I did have some EB fail. The butyl tape then failed and I had a leak. The problem was the improper application of the tape at the factory. I learned from that. That area now has lap sealant and new tape. I couldn't easily replace the butyl tape so I didn't.
Do not stretch the tape over an area. That leaves tension in the tape. Over time, when it gets real hot, the tape will slowly pull loose. This is a common problem going over a screw head (this is what happened to me). You also have to be careful about putting it over a sharp edge. An example would be a screw head that was messed up a little by the driver slipping out. This also happened to me. I had three leaks in the same piece of tape. Two from the stretching and one from a sharp edge on a screw head.
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