Open Roads Forum

Print  |  Close

Topic: Ford F150/Arctic Fox 25P

Posted By: Jimmy99 on 06/13/10 08:49pm

I own an Arctic Fox 22H that has a dry weight of 5050 lbs. I purchased a new Ford F150 with the big V8 engine and the max trailer towing package. It has a payload of 1790 lbs and a towing capacity of 11,000 lbs. It tows the 22H real easily.

I have fallen in love with the Arctic Fox 25P which has a dry weight of 6760 lbs. Does anyone have any experience with the new Fords to give me an idea as to whether it will handle this unit safely and what the performance/gas mileage is with a comparable weighed unit?

Almost all of my towing is within 250 miles on the interstate. There are a few mountains but nothing too bad.

Buying a different tow vehicle is not an option. If the truck won't handle it, I will stick with the trailer I have.


Jimmy99
2007 Artic Fox 22H
2006 Dodge Ram 1500/Hemi


Posted By: mdub707 on 06/13/10 09:39pm

What cab/bed configuration did you get? I would never tow up near 10,000lbs with an F150, I think the ratings Ford gives them is ridiculous. With that said, we used to tow a large trailer with a RC/SB F150 with the 3v 5.4. The motor had plenty of oomph to move the trailer around, however the truck was just too light for the trailer. The trailer would push the truck around. The power was there, but the weight of the truck just was not.


-Mike-

TT: 1986 Terry Taurus 21'
Tow Pig: 2006 F250 SC/SB 4x4 5R110 Vegistroked 466/772 July 09


Posted By: bobbyg123 on 06/13/10 10:27pm

I've been towing our 6500lb (fully loaded weight) Jayfeather with my 2007 F150 (rated to pull 9200lbs) for a little over a year now. We just wrapped up a round trip over Stevens Pass, and on Thursday we're heading to Yellowstone NP (via Lookout Pass) for 10 days. My truck handles the 6500lbs pretty well, but I certainly wouldn't want to pull anything beyond what we've got. I'm able to maintain a speed of 60MPH up the steepest parts of Stevens Pass; however the 5.4L V8 revs steadily between 3400-3750 RPM. I keep the transmission fluid fresh by flushing it every 15K miles, and it's probably not going to harm the engine by revving it that high occasionally; however I don't know what would happen if traffic forces me to come to a complete stop heading up those steep grades. I'd likely be lucky to get her back to 40MPH.

It's your call as to whether you think the combination will work for you. Personally, I don't think it's a safety issue as much as it is your white knuckle comfort level. The Yellowstone trip is uncharacteristic for us, as we generally try not to venture out beyond 200 miles one-way. This trip will surely test the capabilities of my truck, and I'll be sure to post a message and let everyone know (good or bad) how we do.


2008 Jayfeather 29A
2007 Ford F-150 5.4L V8


Posted By: Wheelspinner on 06/13/10 09:59pm

Sorry I have nothing to offer on your subject but I did want to say howdy neighbor.






Posted By: Vans on 06/13/10 09:45pm

I imagine you will certainly know it is there. Climbing the mountains of the NW will certainly slow you down a lot. I too think the half ton tow ratings gamesmanship is getting out of hand. 11k pounds with a 1/2 ton would be a white knuckle ride.


Vans
2008 2500 6.7 Laramie Mega Cab
2010 Komfort Trailblazer T262BSLE
6 Fords and 1 Dodge truck


Posted By: B.O. Plenty on 06/13/10 10:01pm

I towed with a 06 F-150. A little down on power at times but it did the job. If the Ford Engineers say it is capable of towing all that, who am I to question it. Ford is backing the warranty if this proves to be too much for the truck so all I can say is go for it.

B.O.


2011 Big Country 3250TS...2010 Ram CC Laramie 4wd Cummins


Posted By: ~DJ~ on 06/14/10 07:28am

Dry weights mean nothing for towing weights. You subtract that number from the GVWR of the TT to find your cargo capacity.

I always use the GVWR which is also posted on the TT. This is a more realistic number once you get it filled with fluids and loaded with food and gear.

I also have the new F150 but in the standard towing version of 9700#. It has the 5.4 with 355 gears but also lifted on 33" tires which cuts the rear ratio down to 340 something.

With all that said I just finished towing a 8020# (scale weighed) set of doubles across Idaho to near West Yellowstone, 800 miles round trip.

Beautiful day going over and got 8.8 mpg hand calculated with the cruise set at 60. Coming back fought 20-25 mph head winds all day so I reduced the cruise to 55 and lost about 1 mpg.

At no time, even in the winds did I feel uncomfortable in the handling. Must have been that monster trail bike in the back holding everything down!!!

The new F150 is one heck of a truck and I don't think the Ford engineers have exaggerated it's capabilities. I am very impressed with this truck even having spent my previous 5 years in a 05 HD CTD dually.




2011 F250 Super Cab Lariat 6.2 373 FX4 Short Box 4" BDS, 35" Toyos, TorkLift, 16.5K Warn, Locked & Loaded
2007 SunLite Pop Up, Dometic 12 volt fridge, 100 watt solar, Trojan AGM, Honda 2000
2014 Nash 23D, Trojan twin sixes, Honda 3000



Posted By: goingnorth on 06/14/10 09:57am

I have a 2010 Max tow Screw 4x4 pulling about 7000# and 850# tongue wt. I have had no problems getting up to speed or stopping but did have some sway issues which I am working out now. The new tranny likes to shift allot between 5th and 6th as there is no OD lockout. I am 80#s under the GVWR of the truck loaded with every thing for a trip so any bigger tt and you will start to exceed the GVWR. I think 8000# with 13% tongue 1040#s would be the max I would tow with and that would put you over the GVWR by a few hundred pounds unless you keep the truck empty.


13 F250 6.2L XLT CCSB 4x4 4.30 gears

09 Keystone Passport 290BH UF elec jack,30"scissor jacks+Eliminator Strut Stabilizer,PD9160+wizard,custom bumper hitch,added 18.5gal FW tank,dualcam HP 1200# WD,Fantastic Fan,Axle Flip,Lexan screen door covers.
My Mods.



Posted By: pocman on 06/14/10 07:51am

I have the new F150 with the 5.4 max tow package and I am towing a 33ft TT with dry weight of 7000lbs. I bought the trailer in the US and travelled back with it 2600kms. The truck handled the trailer fine. I'm not going to win any races going uphill but when I towed the trailer home from the US, I was able to maintain 57-60mph on the interstate with no problem.

I travel as lite as I can. My tanks are empty when travelling.


Posted By: shadows4 on 06/14/10 08:11am

bobbyg123 wrote:

I've been towing our 6500lb (fully loaded weight) Jayfeather with my 2007 F150 (rated to pull 9200lbs) for a little over a year now. We just wrapped up a round trip over Stevens Pass, and on Thursday we're heading to Yellowstone NP (via Lookout Pass) for 10 days. My truck handles the 6500lbs pretty well, but I certainly wouldn't want to pull anything beyond what we've got. I'm able to maintain a speed of 60MPH up the steepest parts of Stevens Pass; however the 5.4L V8 revs steadily between 3400-3750 RPM. I keep the transmission fluid fresh by flushing it every 15K miles, and it's probably not going to harm the engine by revving it that high occasionally; however I don't know what would happen if traffic forces me to come to a complete stop heading up those steep grades. I'd likely be lucky to get her back to 40MPH.

It's your call as to whether you think the combination will work for you. Personally, I don't think it's a safety issue as much as it is your white knuckle comfort level. The Yellowstone trip is uncharacteristic for us, as we generally try not to venture out beyond 200 miles one-way. This trip will surely test the capabilities of my truck, and I'll be sure to post a message and let everyone know (good or bad) how we do.


To the OP and Bobbygirl. Let that motor REV!!! That is what it is designed to do and where it makes its power. You can run it at 3500+ rpms all day and not hurt it. Also Jimmy99 I think your truck would handle that trailer. No you won't win any races but its not a race truck. Happy camping, John


2003 4X4 F350,CC,SB,Lariat,7.3L diesel, 151,000 miles
2004 Coachmen 278 RKS Fifth-Wheel
Reese 15K slider hitch



Posted By: beerbreath on 06/14/10 05:13am

We have an 09 F150 w/ the 4.6 engine towing 4800 lb.+- no problem. Even does good in the Mt's. I wouldn't tow much more weight though.






Posted By: coolbreeze01 on 06/14/10 07:45am

I have no idea how your pickup would handle a 25P, but nice TT alright. Good luck.


2008 Dodge 3500 With a Really Strong Tractor Motor...........
LB, SRW, 4X4, 6-Speed Auto, 3.73, Prodigy P3, Blue Ox Sway Pro........
2014 Sandsport 26FBSL


Posted By: Jimmy99 on 06/14/10 11:28am

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the input. The last thing I want to do is trade in a trailer that I like and is easy to pull for one that ruins the experience because the trip becomes a chore. While we would like more space, we don't want to regret it. Based on everyone's comments, it looks like my truck should handle it. I don't care about speed, I just do not want trailer sway. My last check is a chat with the Ford dealer. Since I already bought the truck, he should tell me the truth.


Posted By: busdriverbob on 06/14/10 03:25am

I have the same truck and my 5er is just over 8000 pounds dry weight. No problems at all.


Posted By: BillyW on 06/14/10 12:20pm

If I'm not mistaken Fords heavy duty 150 used to be called a light 250. It has seven lug axles that are rated much higher than typical half ton applications. I think they are partial free floating. I wouldn't hesitate to use that truck for that trailer, even in these North Idaho mountains.



'97 F150 4X4
'04 Pioneer 18T6




Posted By: mosseater on 03/28/11 06:35pm

Jimmy99 wrote:

I own an Arctic Fox 22H that has a dry weight of 5050 lbs. I purchased a new Ford F150 with the big V8 engine and the max trailer towing package. It has a payload of 1790 lbs and a towing capacity of 11,000 lbs. It tows the 22H real easily.

I have fallen in love with the Arctic Fox 25P which has a dry weight of 6760 lbs. Does anyone have any experience with the new Fords to give me an idea as to whether it will handle this unit safely and what the performance/gas mileage is with a comparable weighed unit?

Almost all of my towing is within 250 miles on the interstate. There are a few mountains but nothing too bad.

Buying a different tow vehicle is not an option. If the truck won't handle it, I will stick with the trailer I have.

Looks like the 25P has a dry hitch weight of 870 lbs, which means you'll likely be near the capacity of your 150's hitch rating (1100?) when loaded. This was a weak link for me and it looks like the hitch system on the newer models is identical to my '07. The OEM flexes quite a bit and mine began to fail so I replaced it with a DrawTite model which was head and shoulders above the OEM. Your loaded hitch weight may be in the area of 1000-1200 lbs and would be my main concern with that trailer. The truck will handle it fine, IMHO.


"It`s not important that you know all the answers, it`s only important to know where to get all the answers" Arone Kleamyck
"...An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
Sunset Creek 298 BH



Posted By: gchurch2007 on 06/14/10 02:30pm

I have a 2010 F-150 SuperCrew 5.4 with the Max tow package of 11,200#, 3.73 rear end, new 6-speed tranny, tow mirrors and the 5.5 short bed. I also just purchased a 2010 Dutchmen Colorado 31BH travel trailer, which is 8250# dry (according to the side sticker and called the manufacturer which verified this dry weight via a VIN look-up), 35' 7" long and has a tongue weight of 910 with two 30# gas bottles full. The loaded tongue weight is 1000# (weighed with my Sherline scale after loading). My max tongue weight according to the sticker on the underside of my F-150's receiver hitch is 1150# with a weight distribution hitch. I have a Reese Dual Cam Strait Line weight distribution hitch. My F-150 pulls this camper all day with no issues. I won't win races either, but I didn't buy it to race, I bought it to camp!


'10 Dutchmen Colorado 31BH
'11 Ford F-250 King Ranch Crew Cab 4x4, 6.7 PSD, 3.55 Single Axle.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/bigpig777/DSC_0003-1.jpg


Posted By: john elway on 03/28/11 05:38pm

Jimmy
Did you get the 25p?
If yes,how's it working out for you?


Print  |  Close