wilber1
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AO_hitech wrote:wilber1 wrote:
If a tank is already turned on, you can get quite a large leak without it shutting off. Every time you turn a stove burner on it goes from off to high yet the system doesn't trip. Also, how about electronic start water heaters and furnaces?
The amount used in those situations is not a large and would disperse easily outside of the RV. You should have seen the demonstration a PG&E rep gave our science class in high school. Hooked up a hose to the gas line, turned it on, waved it around and stood holding it and talked for a few minutes. He then turned it off and immediately lit a bic lighter and waved it around...
I'm responding to those who say the system will shut off if there is a leak. Maybe it will and maybe it won't depending on how large and sudden the leak is. You can have all the burners on your stove going, the furnace and the hot water heater running at the same time and the system still won't trip because of high flow. If there is gas and an ignition source close enough at hand, there will be a fire.
Depending on the high flow shut off on the bottle to save your backside in case of a leak is a fools game.
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AO_hitech
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Desert Captain wrote:As I stated earlier after Googling the subject your local Fire Marshall is the governing authority. Give them a call and they will be happy to quote you chapter and verse. I would like to amend the earlier post in one regard - pulling in with an open flame while a very bad idea is probably technically legal as the signs all instruct you to "Extinguish any open flames". Failure to do so puts you smack in the middle of illegal category. 
I have googled it and cannot find a law against it. Those signs are also not longer present in gas stations around here. And simply having the sign does not make it illegal. Typically when a sign is posted that is informing you of a legal requirement the statute is listed.
And I'm not even sure that the 'fridge would fit the legal definition of an open flame.
I just finished searching all 1007 pages of the California Vehicle Code and the only mentions of "flame" are for spark arrestors and vehicles carrying explosives. And one mention that a vehicle may not exhaust excessive flame.
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AO_hitech
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wilber1 wrote:
Depending on the high flow shut off on the bottle to save your backside in case of a leak is a fools game.
Except that is what we all do when using the propane systems in the RV.
When you understand how the systems work and what is required to ignite propane it becomes less "scary", most of the time.
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wilber1
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AO_hitech wrote:wilber1 wrote:
Depending on the high flow shut off on the bottle to save your backside in case of a leak is a fools game.
Except that is what we all do when using the propane systems in the RV.
When you understand how the systems work and what is required to ignite propane it becomes less "scary", most of the time.
Well it is a misplaced confidence on your part. I don't find propane systems scary but neither do I blindly assume they are safe in all situations. I have owned propane powered vehicles and never worried about their safety but one thing I would not do is park one in my garage.
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2oldman
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wilber1 wrote:I have owned propane powered vehicles and never worried about their safety but one thing I would not do is park one in my garage. But parking a tank of gas in your garage is ok?
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Desert Captain
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AO_hitech wrote:Desert Captain wrote:As I stated earlier after Googling the subject your local Fire Marshall is the governing authority. Give them a call and they will be happy to quote you chapter and verse. I would like to amend the earlier post in one regard - pulling in with an open flame while a very bad idea is probably technically legal as the signs all instruct you to "Extinguish any open flames". Failure to do so puts you smack in the middle of illegal category.
I have googled it and cannot find a law against it. Those signs are also not longer present in gas stations around here. And simply having the sign does not make it illegal. Typically when a sign is posted that is informing you of a legal requirement the statute is listed.
And I'm not even sure that the 'fridge would fit the legal definition of an open flame.
I just finished searching all 1007 pages of the California Vehicle Code and the only mentions of "flame" are for spark arrestors and vehicles carrying explosives. And one mention that a vehicle may not exhaust excessive flame.
You remind me of the guy who lost his wallet on First Ave but was looking for it on Fifth because the light was better.  Once more, the local Fire Marshall has jurisdiction. He does not operate out of the Motor Vehicle Codes. Contact your local Fire Marshall and ask him if an open flame is legal in a gas station. Then ask him why your local stations have no signs to that effect. I lived in San Diego for 51 years (and still visit almost every month), and every station there has signage telling you to extinguish open flames, no smoking, ground your containers etc., etc.. If you want to say your neighborhood stations have no such signs it's OK with me.
Frankly I don't see refrigeration flames as a huge risk....water heater and furnaces scare me to death (take a look some time at the burner when they light off  ), but the law does not make any such distinction, an open flame is an open flame regardless of the source. We the people do not have the legal option of obeying only the laws we like or happen to agree with but since it is still a semi free country folks will by in large do as they like and I can live with that.... with the possible exception of flamers in a gas station.  Be safe out there.
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wilber1
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2oldman wrote:wilber1 wrote:I have owned propane powered vehicles and never worried about their safety but one thing I would not do is park one in my garage. But parking a tank of gas in your garage is ok?
Also a risk with the obvious difference that the fuel system on a gasoline powered vehicle isn't pressurized unless the vehicle is running.
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Gale Hawkins
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Desert Captain wrote:"Driving with the propane on, with the 'fridge on and refueling with the 'fridge on are not."
Driving with the propane on - your call not illegal. Pulling in to a gas station with an open flame burning (refrigeration, water heater or furnace), is illegal, period. Open flames of ANY kind are specifically prohibited in every gas station in the the country. See your local Fire Marshall for specific applicable codes/laws.
Lots of folks do it and I chose to not be among them but just because lots of people do something does not mean it's a good idea. As always..... opinions and YMMV.
We leave the frig on auto so we just have to start the generator when we pull in for gas to shut off the open flame.
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wilber1
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Gale Hawkins wrote:Desert Captain wrote:"Driving with the propane on, with the 'fridge on and refueling with the 'fridge on are not."
Driving with the propane on - your call not illegal. Pulling in to a gas station with an open flame burning (refrigeration, water heater or furnace), is illegal, period. Open flames of ANY kind are specifically prohibited in every gas station in the the country. See your local Fire Marshall for specific applicable codes/laws.
Lots of folks do it and I chose to not be among them but just because lots of people do something does not mean it's a good idea. As always..... opinions and YMMV.
We leave the frig on auto so we just have to start the generator when we pull in for gas to shut off the open flame.
Good one.
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MrWizard
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the ORIGINAL QUESTION,
driving with the fridge on
answer yes, i always did and the in 3 MH's the fridge was on LP
this MH, this fridge, is residential 120vac
fueling up saftey should be the normal practice
3 class A MH and the fridge was on the passenger side, the fuel fill on the drivers side
since i always need to use the outside lane at the pumps, my fridge was never near a fuel pump,
i never travel with the wh on, seldom with the furnace or lp heat of any kind on
way to many variations in the law in various locations, to discuss the legally of NOT turning off the fridge flame
but i never did find it hard (thought it was pretty easy) to go flip a switch on the fridge too off, while on my way to the door
good safe sense
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