Diesels can be really expensive to repair and keep running, and the 6.0 on average is more likely than some others to fall in that expensive to keep running category.
Got to chat up my uncle last week while they were in visiting our family from Arizona. I asked how his truck (05/06) was running and how he liked the Cummins. I was surprised when he told me about his 10 grand repair: My uncle is a Dodge guy, and decided to buy a Cummins based on its reputation, over buying the 6.0 Ford or Duramax. At about 120K miles, he had to swallow a 10,000 dollar bill putting a new Cummins in his truck, because the 'heads burnt up'. For a guy who takes very good care of his equipment, it was a nasty surprise. Needless to say, all those who told him to buy the Cummins because they run forever didn't offer to pay for his new engine, and neither did Fiat/Chrysler.
I guess the moral of the story is you can shoot for your best odds (avoiding the 6.0), but sometimes a famously reliable diesel engine will need a repair that will put a sizeable dent in even the most robust bank accounts.
Best of luck OP!
I'd suggest talking with the fleet sales. They are used to ordering vehicles, all the mainstream salesmen we spoke with wanted us to buy one off the lot. The fleet guy sat down with us, outlined their requirements, and within 4 minutes he had the order screen up on the computer, going over our specific order requirements. And with X-plan we already knew what the price was going to be, without incentives, when it arrived.
... I would suspect Ford will have a good market out there when they do get the smaller ones out. For the life of me I can't figure out whey they dropped their small ones.
Because GM got burned the last time around. The GM compact twins got a huge investment/all new redesign in 2004 but was never a sales leader, GM even ended production of that model before the successor was ready...for a volume product, that is a bad sign. For example, in 2008 (only year I could find sales figs), the Antique Model T Ford Ranger was easily outselling the Colorado, and Ford hadn't spent any real development money on Ranger since the mid 90's.
Ford and Dodge figured the market for compact trucks didn't have room to expand, and could convince many shoppers to upgrade to an F-150/or 1500. So they let their compact trucks die.
For what it's worth, they were wrong, and GM has a runaway success, and a head start on two of the big 3. From what I've read, a somewhat unexpected benefit, GM is making many conquest sales from other brands with buyers of the new colorado/canyon, which is a big deal. If I was shopping for a pickup, and didn't RV, I would limit my search to the compact Toyota and GM twins.
These seem to be affecting GM vehicles for years, according to today's Internet search. I am having problems now with my 2013 Suburban.
We are on an extended camping trip. Last month I hit a pothole hard and the computers and sensors died and I had to be towed in.
Well, roads all over America are in lousy condition and I have really tried to take it easy. Today on a mildly rough spot on the interstate, these two lights came on again. Fortunately the truck seems to still be running OK. Others have had a "reduced engine power" light come on too, but I have not.
I called a nearby dealer who of course could not see me today, being Friday afternoon. The manual says it's ok to drive with these lights on, I just won't have use of these safety features.
It seems like GM has ignored this for years.
How disappointing. The ABS system should be plenty robust to handle a pothole or curb here or there. Sounds like GM made yours out of glass. Hope you find a quick and inexpensive solution beyond a "Fragile, handle with care" sticker.
Resurfacing rotors is a waste of money. For the same price you can buy new ones, premium ones for slightly more. There was also a study out that showed greatly decreased braking performance with turned rotors vs new.
yep, each time you remove material from the rotor, it is capable of holding less btu's. On our race car, rotors are always tossed, never turned.
FWIW, my best man when thru the a really nasty big D a few years back, and his counselor suggested he take a year off from dating, to focus on his kid, his life, etc. He followed the advice and just recently remarried. Just passing it along, as it seemed like sound advice.
Best wishes for you IB.
I dunno about "fan-boy hyperbole" when Ford shops actually have special tools for removing the broken plugs and can quote up to several hundred dollars for a spark plug change. You may have had excellent luck with yours but a whole lot of people weren't so fortunate. Did you keep them long enough to change the plugs?
Sparkplugs are a once in an ownership expense for the vast majority of owners, many don't keep them long enough to do even one change. A friend put 170K on his before he changed the plugs, wasn't cheap at 400 bucks, but he said that wasn't even 1 payment on a new one. Truck had 250K on it when his son totalled it by flooding it out while off roading drunk in a field.
All that being said if I was shopping for a truck, I'd pick a 09+ F-150, after Ford solved the sparkplug issue and introduced the far superior 6 speed transmission to replace the 4 speed unit.
FWIW, My daily driver Infiniti has a cabin filter, and I agree, it does little or nothing to filter stinky exhaust, only filters dust, hair and other debris out. I hit the recirc button when I'm behind a diesel that is dying or a gas engine that burns more oil than gas.
Those used prices are why we bought new.
The only cheap used HD trucks I found were 6.0/6.4 Ford diesels.
I didn't find any cheap 6.0's when I was looking 2 to 3 years ago. The reputation didn't appear to hurt their value, at least in Texas. I gave up the search because I didn't want to spend 20% or more over retail prices for a used HD truck. I decided my current TV is doing the job just fine.
About 12 to 15 grand depending on dealer, area and if they follow Fords exact procedure to do the job.
Why so much? Not debating, just asking why out of curiosity.
When you say "fouled the injectors", are you saying they're trashed, burned up, whatever? I've just heard of anyone using that term for diesel injectors.
In my mind, replacing injectors and fuel pump should never warrant that much money, but then again, I turn my own wrenches.
bear with me, my understanding of this procedure is simply from reading about it online:
When the pump fails, it does so in spectacular fashion, shredding itself into tiny metal bits. It then sends these in high pressure to the injectors, were they will also destroy themselves attempting to pump metal, rather than diesel fuel.
The cleanup/repair needs to be thorough and complete, by replacing or cleaning everything downstream of the HPFP.
12 to 15 grand sounds outrageous, but diesel repairs are far more expensive than their gasoline counterparts.
So, a relay was burned out and a few computers that talk to the fuel pump were fried. They don't know if the incident caused the computers to fail or they were bad anyway. They are assuming the incident caused it and covering it with the warranty.
I think that Suburbans have a history of fuel pump problems. At least mine have. But truck is two yrs old and only 11,000 miles.
Hope it fixes the problem. They are trying to overnight the parts.
problems at such low age and miles can be very frustrating, hope this is an isolated event for you and they get you on your way quickly.
I'm looking at the newer Ford Expedition & Expedition EL models and looking at their tow ratings on the guide on this site. There is a significant difference in two capacity if they have the "tow package". However, I haven't been able to find a definition of what is included in that package. Is it something that can be added if I purchase a used vehicle?
I'd start here http://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/
For example in 2013 the Expedition with the HD tow package includes an upgraded radiator, Trans cooler, and a trailer brake controller.
Anyone break this down by 1500/150, 2500/250, 3500/350 SRW and 3500/350 DRW? Chris
Pickuptruck.com did a while back. Ford lead all categories, Ram and GM swapped the #2 spot depending on the model. IIRC, RAM beat out both GMC and Chevy combined in 3500 DRW sales.
This is what I remember as well, Ram HD outsells GM's HD trucks.
Edit: found it
Ford guys will keep saying f150 is still ramping up when really inventory is sitting all over lots.
It's not what we say, it's what Ford says:
"Ford ended September with about 100,000 F-150s in inventory, which is below the 120,000 that it considers “a more normative planning level,” Mark LaNeve, Ford’s vice president for U.S. marketing, sales and service, said Thursday. Ford had previously said F-150 inventories would return to normal by the end of September. U.S. F-series sales, after slipping 0.5 percent this year through August, rose 16 percent in September, slowing the company’s ability to build up stocks."
I know it makes you grumpy to see Ford doing well, but when you twist a story it just makes you look petty and small.
What's gonna be interesting is seeing if Ford will insist on sitting out of the compact truck market. Ford sold 70K Rangers in 2011, which is pretty incredible considering how little money Ford invested in the platform, and how outdated it was.
We have a 2009 Palomino Puma 30fqss that is stored at Myrtle Beach right now but we need to bring it to Texas.
This weekend we are driving our 2015 F150 down to SC to have an Equalizer Distribution hitch put on the trailer (and brake control) before we begin the trek back to Texas.
My question is do you think the f150 will be able to handle the long trip. The towing capacity for the truck is 9100 lbs and the dry weight of our camper is 6700. I know on paper it sounds good but this will be our first time towing and we are very nervous.
I think you'll be ok, especially if you don't load the truck or trailer with too much stuff.
My advice: Give yourself at least one or two days of test towing/hitch adjusting before you head back home. Sometimes even a correctly adjusted hitch needs tweaking for a nice steady tow, and you have a long tow ahead of you.