Does any one own a new Ford yet? Did you do any insurance cost comparisons between the aluminum and conventional?
I was on the phone with my insurance company for an unrelated task, but I asked about the 2015 F-150, and the reply I got was that there was no abnormal premium adjustment for the new 2015 F-150. This was with USAA so others might be different.
As long as we are paying a 60-70 cent premium for diesel over regular gas it makes it hard to justify a diesel unless you really do need it for the torque.
Where in the heck are you paying 60-70 cent premium for diesel??? Right now diesel is 8 cents/litre (30.24 cents/us gal) above gas and this for winter fuel. All summer they are equal where we live.
You are in Canada. Around these parts diesel is stubbornly stuck about 80 to 1.00 more per gallon. I filled up the wife's car for 2.30 a gallon this weekend, 2.68 for premium in my car, and diesel was ~3.15 a gallon.
Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.
So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.
FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?
I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)
Prime example of another poster that is ignorant of the facts or is making stuff up. :R
The Powerstroke diesel was made up until 2009 not 2007 as you say it was. It was put in 2010 Ford vehicles. Here are the facts about year production of the 6.0.
To blame the failure of the 6.0 on the techs of the time is silly. Thanks for making my point that GM and Dodge had just as good or bad techs of the time. And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.
T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.
The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.
This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.
The 6.0 continued to be produced after 2007, but wasn't sold in the F series any lonnger. It was only sold in the E-series vans.
And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.
I typically agree with what you have to share turtle, but do you happen to have the warranty spend on GM and Dodge products to compare, per truck sold? Keeping in mind that Ford probably sold 4 or 5 powerstroke engines for every 1 duramax squeezed out of the factory.
For those of you that are throwing out failure numbers let do a little simple math. It's known that there were around a million 6.0's made.
A billion dollars (it's more now) divided by a million trucks = $1,000 in warranty costs for every single 6.0 Ford diesel engine made.
"IF" there is a 10% failure rate for these trucks (and remember, I'm not saying there is) you have a $9,000 "average warranty cost" for 10% of every 6.0 truck made. (someone check my math please and see if it's correct)
Ford said they paid out a billion dollars in warranty claims and here is the link to back up my facts.
These are numbers from Ford and informed Ford people, not me. If it makes you mad, talk to Ford, not me.
OP, all that being said, I would bullet proof it and get on with life. The rest of those trucks are very nice and have no known major problems.
1,000 for a diesel? that's chump change, or about the cost of 1 oil change. :p
The mustang has always been a great muscle car value proposition, arguably the best value proposition. I don't imagine the GT350 will be any different.
The valve adjustment on the SHO went from 60K to 100K on the later model 3.0 and 3.2 SHO's, around 93 if I remember correctly. I never had a valve out of spec so adjusting the valve lash was never required.
Our 1989 race prepped SHO still makes me smile each time I get behind the wheel and strap in for a stint.
It's too bad you did not post this before buying the truck.
"I am looking at a 2003 ford F350 6.0 Turbo Diesel with 119,000 miles."
But you are where you are. Lots of people "bullet proof" their 6.0 and 6.4's and have no problems but there are many who do so and still have problems. I guess you have to decide what side you may end up on. Don't forget the cab needs to be removed to do many engine repairs.
Your money and your time especially if you are on vacation.
Love your optimism.
There are lots of people who have owned their 6.0 for 10+ years and are completely unaware their truck is a POS that almost broke down on them daily.
PS, the Duramax and Cummins don't come with a guarantee that I'm aware of that says they will never break down, and if they do, it's a lie.
I wish the best to OP, there are more 'good' 6.0's out there than bad ones, but when they are bad they cost big $$$ and create understandably angry owners.
IMO Consumer Reports is nothing more than a paid poet. They report what they are paid to say or show. I started this out with my opinion, that's what it is I have no proof of anything stated. I always find it funny the product selling well gets the worst ratings in their report. Maybe the product selling well doesn't need to advertise with them.
Everything you said above is completely wrong.
I love when people come out and say these things. Have you actually ever read a consumer reports?
They don't accept advertising in any of their mediums, they don't accept gifts or sample products from manufacturers, and all the products they test are purchased from a retail store without the manufacturers knowledge.
None of this means that they product they say is best will perform the best for you, but it blows everything you said out of the water. I don't read consumer reports, but I've done some investigation and found they are probably a reasonably legit source for product knowledge if you have no other informed source to draw upon.
It would sound like a motorcycle engine! The problem with my buddy's Taurus SHO (mid 90's) was the alternator would spin to fast if the engine redline was not kept below 7,000 RPM, the engine could handle more than the alternator!
Glorious engines in those early SHO's. I owned an 89 and a 95 model. My team fields several SHO's in the sh*tbox racing series in the Gulf coast region, so we know them well. It is a very competitive car, and a blast to drive.
If only I had the coin to spring for a 2016 350 GT, what a sweet ride!
limited slips are nearly useless in my experience (especially in fords). If you are in a really tight spot, they tend to act like open diffs, just spinning the tire with the least traction. My choice would always be: (in order from best to worst)
computer controlled Brake actuated traction control
This is a bit of an over simplification, but it hits the high points. The G80 seems to act like a true locker, far more than a LSD. Not sure which it truly is though.
Buddylam, if this is a question to a specific member or post, you'll be better off responding in that thread, or sending a private message to that member. Chances are that person won't see this new thread, or recognize it's a question to him or her.
Buddy doesn't accept private messages.
The GM truck's IFS (Independent Front Suspension) and those who claim it's weak and won't last long and especially when using it for snow plowing with the heavy plow on the front of the truck. In bitter cold snowy Minnesota no less!
Copied and pasted from the AP news.
Snow buries parts of Rockies, Upper Midwest
Nov 11, 2014
People in the Upper Midwest and Rockies woke up to frigid temperatures Tuesday, with heavy snow blanketing some areas.
More than 2 feet of snow blanketed parts of Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and more was on the way before the front was expected to exit Wednesday. Northern Wisconsin also got as much as 18 inches of snow, and parts of central Minnesota more than 16.
The weather wasn't enough to persuade Joe Meath to flee Minnesota, even though he won nearly $12 million in a state lottery game two months ago. Meath was busy with his small snowplow business, taking care of his customers in his Chevy truck with nearly 300,000 miles on it.
Anybody who doesn't believe GM's IFS is up to the task is foolish. How many years of GM HD's are out there? plenty. If I'm going to complain about something being flimsy on a GM it would be the interior, not the driveline or suspension.
I predict that within one year the United States will be one big CHIPS episode. Vehicles exploding on impact and barrel rolling for no particular reason. I hope Ford has some EPA credits saved up. They may single-handedly kill the ozone layer.
comment of the day!
Are these part of the first 20,000 production trucks meant for the EPA and other testing?
Or are these actually heading to the dealers?
I ask that because I still haven't heard any EPA numbers on the f150.
Supposedly, this is the start of regular production.
they've been running test models for a while, but evidently the one rolling off the line today is destined for a dealership.
Just for the record, if it had been a Ram or Chevy in the post I would have posted the same thing. At the end of my post notice it says "jk" which means "Just Kidding".
I don't know what king of reaction the op was wanting with this thread but okay, YAY!!! Ford made a new F150!!! I'm Jumping up and down now......I do the same thing when all the automakers make a new model.
Transamz9...I knew you were "jk"....hey, was the rest of it about you "jumping up and down" scarcasm?:B
Now, let's talk about the first F150 that rolled off the new line so we don't look like an a## of some sort.
Too late? :B
All sorts of **** is made out of aluminum. If the levels of magnesium in aluminum were a huge danger, we'd probably be aware of it by now. Sooo many 18 wheeler frames and trailers made from aluminum, and spontaneous combustion hasn't been an issue that I'm aware of.
Electricity is dangerous as hell, but nobody is seriously suggesting we should do away with it. The danger is mitigated by all types of methods, and we move on with life.
I wouldn't say you've been attacked, but flaws in your thoughts and concerns have been pointed out time and time again. I'm wrong sometimes too, it's ok.
I'd happily buy you a beer outta my fridge any time though, so just because we disagree about vehicle fires, doesn't mean we can't agree all day long that red trucks are the best looking.
I'm the OP and I have 'noticed' :B that my thread has quite a number of aluminum/magnesium melting point posts. Kind of drifted off my original topic a bit, eh.
So, I would ask if people want to discuss the merits of aluminum, magnesium and melting points...this might be a great idea for another thread.
We now return to regular and scheduled programming. :D
Sorry OP, read this after my previous post. I will make said previous post my last on that topic. Mea culpa!
There is obviously a magnesium fire in the links I posted.
No, that is an assumption on your part. And we all know what ASSuming means.
There are any number of materials on a vehicle that might cause an explosion of sparks during a burn, not to mention a development mule that could have all sorts of experimental technologies employed.
Fish posted a video of a very similar explosion in a 10 year old chevy impala fire, was that car made of magnesium as well?