That's a lot of trucks, and it sounds like 9 instances of failure reported to date.
No accidents reported, but one injury? How did that happen, someone break an ankle from stomping on the brake pedal too hard? I'd think it'd take a while to replace 270,000 master cylinders, and might take a while to get the parts inventory as well.
Most dealers won't accept TruCar relationships for that very reason, and any salesman who matches their pricing is going to be out of a job unless he makes the lost profit and costs back on the trade. The opinions given above who suggest otherwise don't know the industry. CarMax is also notorious for lowballing trade-in values and only beat dealers by a small amount statistically. (When between labs I stay busy with a seller's license, I'm GMC and Ford Certified.) If you need to buy a vehicle, get your advice from Consumer Reports. Getting it from where you are reading this right now is not the place.
I'd just as soon read about real life experience's on this forum, and glean from there than trust a rag like Consumers report:R IF I'd listened to them, I'd NEVER owned a Jeep!!Better yet, probably not a Dodge/Ram!! I've owned Jeeps since 1980, and NEVER had an issue. Jeep Wranglers, Jeep Grand Cherokees, Patriot's a Compass and several Cherokees...in my instances....they were DEAD WRONG....as they usually are...No probe with my trucks since 2010 either.
You think a couple hundred people (on RV.net) is a better snapshot of vehicle reliability than hundreds of thousands of experiences collected and aggregated in a scientific manner?
Reliability reports are based on CR's annual surveys of our over 8 million magazine and website subscribers. These surveys ask about any serious problems they've had with their vehicles in the preceding 12 months. They generate hundreds of thousands of responses—the 2015 survey, for instance, provided information on more than 740,000 vehicles—which give us a solid foundation for our reliability Ratings.
If you think so, then more power to ya. My 2 year old is convinced the earth is flat too, after all, his experience is that he has never walked upside down.
I wouldn't use consumer reports as the end all, be all. It's simply one bit of information. CR simply reports on trends for reliability, which doesn't mean if you buy a Yugo it will be a disaster or buy a Honda/Toyota it will never break. Why people vilify a company who at least makes the effort to be honest and protect the consumer is perplexing.
Dealerships make money two ways. The first is on the selling price of a vehicle. The higher they can take you, the more profit for them. The second is on the trade in. The lower they offer, the more profit.
I'd suggest that if you're going to purchase using a fixed price system like TrueCar, you sell your previous vehicle via a private party. Once you have the cash in hand, then you can proceed with the purchase.
Whenever you're dealing with a car dealer, you have to be willing to walk away from the deal. Another tactic is to pit two or more dealers against each other.
In general, new car sales doesn't make much profit at all, especially with the internet these days. The dealership makes profit in used cars, and they make money in add ons (aftermarket accessories) and warranties. The service department is also a source of income.
Realities are that if dealerships only sold new vehicles at 300 or 400 dollar profit per unit, they'd probably all go out of business.
If I signed up for $40K of payments for a pickup truck with a 10 speed transmission I would want it to do lots of shifting, every trip... :)
:B I wonder if it would even see 9th or 10th gear in TH mode.
:) I'd still want it to do lotsa shifting... 583958396... revving and boosting too...
not like my stupid 6cyl 1 turbo not even variable geometry "Cummings" that you throw it in road gear towing and hardly ever shift... boring:B
My Cummins just loafs along in 6th. Sometimes I hit the - on the shifter to drop it into 5th just to see what it feels like. :)
Good heavens be careful, drop a gear like that in a diesel and you could be redlining. I remember the good ol days in my buddies '00 cummins when he'd have to shift twice before he even cleared the intersection.:E:W
So...Truck, or not a truck?
http://www.txtransportationmuseum.org/photos/col-ford-1924/1924-ford-model-t-00.jpg height=400 width=400
Could you imagine this same argument happening back in the 1920's. "that's not a truck, this is a truck!"
This (and similar) is what invented the segment called truck. But some say the Ridgeline isn't a truck. No need to worry, the Ridgeline doesn't threaten to take your manhood away.:B If you don't want it, you don't have to buy one.
I think it's funny they felt the need to completely redesign a motor that is still fairly young and new and suppose to be indestructible. I like the transmission though. I would love to see a ten speed in the HD line ups with a 2 speed rear axle option.
Take a truck like my 2013 Ram. It would be the cat's meow if I could have 3.42:1 for my everyday ventures and then when I hook to my rig push a button and have 4.11:1.
Not sure why you consider making improvements on an engine that has been vehicles for over decade is funny. I would think it would be more funny or odd for a manufacturer in this technology driven age to wait for the competition to pass them and react.
The 3.5 Ecoboost has been in the F150 towing heavy loads (for a 1/2 ton series truck) for decades? Huh, new one for me. I thought it was an all new engine and technology for the F150.
:) Hi, I believe that he said for over a decade, which could mean eleven years. "for decades? Huh, new one for me." This engine started in the Taurus before the F-150.
It's not the same engine that was in the Taurus. Same displacement and has turbos yes but not the same.
:) Hi, other than having less torque, and being in a front wheel drive vehicle, what makes this a different engine? As far as I'm concerned, a few minor differences doesn't make it a different engine.
You are correct. The 3.5 had a few beefed up internals to handle the extra abuse expected in a pickup, but largely is the same engine in the Taurus. The heads flow a bit more and turbos are different. But turbos do not an engine make... As I understand it the only reason the sho was limited to 365 ft lbs was to save the driveline downstream of the engine.
When I bought my demo, it was 2.5 years old and had 8K miles on it. Sticker was 33K, and I paid 19K out the door. After all was said and done, my new salesman found out that the warranty had never started, so I had a 3 year and balance of 36K mile bumper to bumper warranty. Cherry on top. So the time might not have started ticking on the warranty, but 15K is double the miles I'd expect to see on a Demo.
Seriously, go give the Transit a good look. I think you might be surprised.
From what I understand the large Transit that comes to North America, is the RWD version. Good points for that.
The regular engine I read is that the 3.5 liter non turbo. I test drove a new Explorer with this engine and found it frankly to be a bit of a slug. Other than that I really liked the new Explorer, just the standard non turbo 3.5 is short of beans.
With the turbo V6, I would assume the opposite is the case for the Transit van...it should be a bit of a powerhouse.
We had a '97 Astro, heavy duty suspension (not common option), G 80 Eaton locker, 3.42 gears, Michelin LTX M/S tires, 4300 V6 with Vortec heads. We towed our large Fleetwood folding (tent) trailer across the Rockies, through Western Canada, parts of the Western and Mid west USA, van full of luggage and family and we found the Astro to be a wonderful light tow vehicle.
We don't have the Astro anymore, had it 10 years. It was a rugged, tough, RWD van. Of course that's based on just my experience.
If I were looking at getting a new van, I would certainly look at the large Transit and the GM full size vans.
Can't get the 3.5 N/A engine in the transit. The 3.7 is the base engine. Also has the 3.2 diesel, and the 3.5 twin turbo as options.
Yes, they are a business, but a good business will understand that not every customer is the same and tailor their sales approach accordingly. I went to one Ford dealer and they couldn't get past the "how much do you want to pay a month" question, they couldn't focus on what I wanted in the truck. Maybe that's the main issue with most people, but I will figure out how I'm going to pay for it after I figure out what my options are. And at best they wanted me to walk around the entire lot and see if I liked anything. I tried that at first but eventually left. And do they think people actually think the sales manager is their friend?
I also love how they always sneak in several hundred dollars of worthless add-ons in the finance office.
Although initially the other dealer was lame too, eventually they were very straightforward; they sat me down in front of their computer, we looked through their and other dealer's inventory, and they showed me the invoices on any one I was interested in. One thing that's really frustrating is not knowing how much it's really going to cost you with most dealers; how am I supposed to make a decision without knowing that? That's one thing I like about Dillon.
I'm a car guy, but I hate the dealer experience. It's sort of a hold your nose and just get thru it experience for me. Although you got to remember most of the motoring public is clueless when they walk into the showroom, so the salesman is programmed in to only that 'channel' if you will.
Good luck with your choice whatever you decide.
Having a tailgate step like Ford is a good thing; I like mine.
Personally I prefer the step incorporated in the bumper of the GM trucks. I think it looks GREAT and its very helpful to climb up when the tailgate is down.
I think it would also depend on agility. I would be OK with the bumper step, but I wouldn't want my father trying it. Looks like a broken ankle or a fall waiting to happen for a guy in his 70's. He would be far more secure and comfortable using the tailgate step.
Doesn't Ford have a patent on the tailgate step?, and I doubt GM or Fiat want to pay for license, which means they'll have to change it enough to avoid patent infringement. Does ram offer any type of tailgate step today?
Has anyone heard or know if Ford ever offered a "Elite" pkg in '12? Buddy of mine swears that's what it says on side of a truck at his friends house.I've never heard of it, but that doesn't mean it may not exist. Says it only has like 3 springs in rear, f/r heated/cooled seats.
Yep, probably a dealer add on. Big profits for the dealer, but rough for those who buy it.
Interesting. The only hail storm I've been in that was bad enough to do damage was in Denver Colorado. We did get some marble size hail back in January and I was stuck in traffic, nowhere to go. But I can't find any damage on the truck or my 4 wheeler I was pulling.
Good luck OP, hope they are speedy repairs.
Took my daughter on her first camping trip at 2 months, since I found myself unexpectedly unemployed, we took a week+ vacation to the Ozarks. Great trip and great memories.
Congrats OP, I hear grand-parenting has a higher fun factor than parenting.
Jeez, that's terrible. Just another example of modern day "mechanics" who can't diagnose a problem and just throw parts and money at it until they finally fix it or the owner gives up... At least you can finish your trip and get home now. Good luck and drive safe.
Thanks spoon, I don't really blame the garage too much. I think they tried as best as they could. What amazes me is this came directly from the Ford guru that's supposed to be the expert. They're guessing what the problem is at the consumers expense. What really bugs me is I'm about to take a hit on a nice truck and there might not be anything worst than a head gasket.
Yea, I'd give Ford the middle finger. They are guessing at repairs which is no big deal because they aren't paying for it. The dealer should diagnose first, then repair, not the other way around. I hate to hear when diesels have troubles, because they can cost so much to fix. My uncle had a very similar issue with his truck, and I could have bought two long blocks and had them installed in my truck for what he paid to repair his diesel Ram. Hope it all works out well for you in the end.
the OP wants a TT, not a popup or A-frame trailer.
i don't know of ANY v-6 SUV with a factory brake controller. it will need an aftermarket BC installed, which requires a factory tow package with the proper wiring.
i owned an older Exploder 4.0 v-6, which i towed my popups with. it didn't have the factory tow package but i NEVER would tow even a small TT with it, even if it had the tow package.
i know the newer ones will be better but Ford has surface area limits on towing with their vehicles. the Explorer also has such a limit.
check the Ford Towing Guide for those amounts and other towing specs.
i wouldn't go over 4000lbs. GVWR for a TT.
i don't know of any modern TT that DOESN'T come with electric brakes.
The only V6 with a factory brake controller that comes to mind is the Ecoboost Expedition. However I wouldn't call it a midsize.
I did a bit of towing with my mother's 2000 V6 Mountaineer, and learned enough that I decided when I bought my Explorer I'd opt for the V8. I've never regretted the decision.
Ahhh, here you go:
Passing 45-65mph test while towing 7k lbs:
2.7L Ecoboost 9.4 seconds
3.0L Ecodiesel 21.2 seconds.
That is pretty telling. When I'm flat footed on the throttle, MPG isn't in my mind, but each second that ticks by is like an eternity.