You are going to have to decide what aspects important regarding features and layout. I have a 2006 Pioneer 180ck, nearly identical to the Mallard. We are a family of 5 and we love the layout, including the bunk (I sleep under it near the wall, doesn't bug me but YMMV). That bunk means at night all 3 kids get their own bed, during travel, I have a toddler folding bed rail installed, and all our suit cases travel up their, at night they go under the dinette and in the bath tub. During the day the kids like to lounge on the couch and watch some TV. The Salem layout would not work nearly as well for our family of 5.
We camp without hook ups a lot, and cook a lot, so the 2 burner stove-top with no gas oven would be a deal breaker. The convection oven would be worthless. When cooking breakfast I usually have all 3 burners plus the oven going!
Our Pioneer has nearly twice the holding tank capacity. 50/40/40 fresh/grey/black vs 34/25/25. It also has ducted A/C and ducted heat, and 2x30lb propane tanks vs 1x20, and room for 2 GC2 batteries. There were a few changes in 2007 so I am not positive all these stayed the same.
Our Pioneer has been very sold, only a few minor repairs that I was able to handle myself. Worst was a brake wire inside 2 of the hubs was too long and rubbed through causing a ground out during braking. Once I found the problem the fix was easy.
However, the Pioneer / Mallard is also 1000lbs heavier than the Salem, about 4000 before water and stuff, vs 3000 before water and stuff. You mentioned V6, but not what vehicle. The Pioneer was towed reasonably well by our 04 V8 Explorer, the V6 variant would have really struggled. However, many current V6 have as much or more power as my old Explorer did. The engine is not as important as cargo capacity, with the family aboard, you need to know how much cargo capacity is left for the tongue weight. A V6 Highlander is not going to tow the Mallard well.
Biggest difference is the Salem is a single axle not a tandum, and with a dry weight of 3000 lbs, and GVWR of 3900, you don't get much capacity for water or stuff, only 900lbs and that single axle will be MAXED out. 1760lbs for load range C 14" tires x2 = 3520lbs, so axle is likely a 3500lb axle. MFR is figuring (praying) on at least 400 of the 3900lbs will be on the tongue. This is a typical problem with single axle trailers
The tandum axles on the mallard are not even close to being maxed with a 3800lb dry and 5600lb GVWR. 1760lbs for same tires = 7040 lbs, even if the axles are only 3000lbs, the trailer running gear is capable of supporting it's entire weight not depending on the tongue weight resting on the tow vehicle.
Notice the label on the mallard, it has over 1300lbs cargo capacity AFTER propane and full water tank! I don't ever worry about how much stuff my family of 5 packs. The Mallard frame is also heavier (from what I can see in the pictures) 6" vs 4"
I will say that is a good price on the new unit, not so good on the used one, there may be room for negotiation on the used one.
Good luck in your search!
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Thanks for all your inputs, still have some thinking to do, I might even just ask our oldest what she would prefer. She is 7 1/2, very responsible and careful with all her things. She has taken good care of my old Sansa Fuze and Sennheiser PX100, also has taken good care of her leap pad for 2 years, but has pretty much out grown it. I have no concerns with her having a tablet with a case, she loves reading and could use it for books and searching for school work. The other 2 I am not as sure, but it is hard to buy one thing for one and something different for the others, they like having the same.
I have also come across the Asus memo pad HD7, essentially identical to a 2012 nexus 7, which Asus built, but with a 5mp rear camera, 16gb internal and a micro SD slot. The kids like to take pictures and movies so the camera is kind of important, but they are not into massive games so processor power is not as important
After myself taking apart and reassembling 2 iPhone 4 devices, there is no question about the build quality and materials, which is part of the price difference in similar size devices. I absolutely do not expect a tablet with Apple build quality for a Asus price, that is simply one of the compromises. A iPod touch in a otterbox defender is almost indestructible (all of our phones have otterboxes and we have never cracked anything) But I think a Asus tablet in a heavy case would be durable too, our kids do not throw stuff or step on it, just occasionally slips from hands.
Also, all devices have limits to what OS they can run, this is a fact of life The iPod Touch 4th gen, the ones we are looking at, are stuck with the last update to iOS 6, they can't do iOS 7. Our 1st gen iPad is stuck with iOS5, and I wish I could take it back to iOS4, 5 really bogs it down.
Again, thanks for all your experiences
We are thinking of getting our kids each a device for Christmas this year, but having a bit of a quandry. Apple sells factory refurb 4th generation ipod touch 32gb for $179, and amazon sells refurb 2012 Asus nexus 7 32 gb tablets can be had for a similar $159. So same internal storage.
The iPod touch is of course smaller, smaller screen but more portable and better build quality, while the nexus 7 is much larger, and of course iOS vs Android Jelly Bean.
My wife is a big Apple fan, and we both have iPhones so I have no real experience with android We have some apps for the kids on our phones, though not that much money invested. I have heard the google play store is now very competitive with kid app availability.
So what are your experiences with android / google play and kids? Do you think the larger screen would be more beneficial or the smaller ?
The last 2 posts are right on the money. Residential meters are measuring in watts, not volt amps, so correcting the power factor doesn't make a difference. Second, the power factor correction would have to be applied to each motor individually to make any difference. Many applieances already have pf correction. My fridge, upright freezer, and front loader washing machine all have high power factors as measured with a kill-a-watt meter. The dryer however is abysmal :)
On trailer brakes they need to be tightened until the tire will no longer spin and then back off about 5-6 clicks. Any more and the brakes loose their effectiveness.
^THIS Since my first car was a VW Beetle, I know all about adjusting manual brakes.
The logical side of me says no one, even OTR tractors, need 50 forward gears, I am sure a bunch of those ratios overlap. The man side of me says GRRRRR, 50 gears, dual hand shakers, awsome! This is one of those projects that was done "because I can" and is really neat to see someone do :)
I have come to discover that camping can be different things to different people, even within a family. Me, I LOVE outside. I love to get up, make a fresh cup of coffee and head out the door to enjoy the cool morning air. My wife loves to snooze and snork in bed as long as possible. My yongest loves to come outside with daddy, my oldest and my wife love to open the windows and sit at the table inside the TT doing crafts, puzzles, watching some TV, etc. I LOVE to go for walks on trails, my yongest too. Wife and oldest, not so much. I LOVE a campfire at night. My yongest will sit outside with me till the coals are dead. My oldest will not even come out to look at the fire, my wife does for 5 minutes to roast her 2 marshmallows and then it's back inside. My son has high functioning ASD, so he is kind of all over the place and can change from one minute to the next.
This used to bug me, I felt camping meant outdoors, doing stuff outside, hikes, etc, and was kind of bummed about DW and oldest DD attitude, but I quickly realized that camping is about changing the scenery and relaxing, however you choose to relax. So now I don't worry about packing some snacks and water and taking youngest on a walk leaving the others in camp, or that oldest is not getting the "camping experience" because we have a TV in the TT, or that half the family stays inside for campfire. There is still lots of family time, we all prepare meals together and sit around the table at meals, do games and other activities together. At the end of the trip, everyone had a good time got to do some of what they wanted, and got to do some family stuff.
You didn't say what gear but probably 2nd? Sounds about right. 3,000 is not at all high RPM. It may sound like it only because we are used to cruising around 2000. 5,000 won't hurt an engine for short periods though usually not necessary. 3 or 4,000 RPM's would be better on the motor than "lugging" it up a grade at 1500 in a higher gear.
^THIS The computer is programed to shift early to squeeze every bit of gas mileage. So we are used to hearing the engine loaf along, only hitting maybe 3000rpm for a second before shifting, never really even hearing 4000 or 4500 at all. When you put a TT behind a gas engine truck and ask it to work climbing a hill, now you get to hear 3000, 4000, 4500 rpm a lot more because that is where gas engines make their power, especially small block SOHC. We are not used to this sound for more than a second or two, so it sounds like the engine is going to blow up. It is not, a gas truck engine with proper cooling will run at it's peak for hours if necessary and not hurt it.
Ummmm..... River&Sand, respectfully, you negelcted to include the weight of the truck itself in your example.
This TC will exceed GAWR rear and GVWR before adding any owner stuff.
Curb weight of a 2002 1500 reg cab long bed is around 4200lbs,
So if you say the weight distribution is 65/35 front/rear, that means 2730 is on the front and 1470is on the rear.
So GAWR Rear = 3686-1470 = 2216 before maxing out. Since the OP states the CG of the camper would be directly over the rear, that means all 2400lbs sits over the axle exceeding it by almost 200lbs BEFORE adding any passengers, food, stuff.
GVWR = 6400 - 4200 = 2200lbs max payload. The camper is already 200lbs over this.
The GVWR of theis older non HD 1/2 is just to light for a hard side TC. And by the time you take a passenger and add all your stuff you will not be exceeding the GAWR and GVWR numbers by a little, it will be by A LOT. MAYBE a very light pop-up TC would work if you can find one that weighs about 1000lbs less, around 1500lbs. That way when you add your stuff and yourself you will only be exceeding these numbers by a little
Can you do stuff to the truck to make it work? Maybe. Airbags, overloads, sway bar, D rated tires, etc, but you still have the semi floating axle and brakes of a 1/2 T. All those mods will also begin to get almost if not more expensive than selling the truck, adding the money that you would have spent in upgrades, and get a good older 3/4 T.
The most common theory about these types of responses is these "your item" replies are email harvesters. They try to get you to reply outside of craigslist's anonymous response sytem then they have a valid email to sell to spammers.
I use craiglist fairly often to both buy and sell, I always put something in the listing about "emails without specifics about the item for sale will not be answered". Real buyers always understand and comply.
^This. It's the easiest way to weed out most scams. They don't take the time to customize the inquiry. If a inquiry does not mention the item at least in passing (i.e I am interested in "your stroller for sale" vs I am interested in "your item") I just trash it, I don't have time or energy to deal with scammers.
pucamping, its a 4.0, 5 speed manual 2WD, crew cab. max GW is around 4700 lbs I think it says, so as a 1/2T rated vehicle it will be up there. The 93 on rangers were/are heavier than the models before them.
The guy I got the MH from gave me the 6000lb tow assy, is having the braking assy removed from his tow vehicle and is going to send to me in a couple of days.
My 95 was a 3.0 5spd 2WD reg cab long bed. Had a color matched snug top (cayman pearl) and carpet kit in it. Doesn't seem like it was that heavy, oh well. It was my first "rv" in that I went camping and slept in it. I owned it for 13 years and put 275k trouble free miles on it, it was a good truck. Finally got rid of it when my needs changed, I needed something that would reliably get me 105mi RT to work with good gas mileage. Several thousand worth of work was stacking up and it just did not seem prudent to make a major investment in it. (new cat converter, rear end, seats, seat belts, gauges, possible engine work, clutch, etc). I wish I had room to keep it here, but my house and property are small, and with 3 kids I have no time to tinker.
Fun Finder also has a 210UDS with the dinning slide and a walk around queen at just under 22ft. My inlaws have a 2009 Fun Finder 210WBS which they love and is awsome for the 2 of them. Big bathroom, walkaround queen, and the couch on a slide. Their's is the older version of this trailer which is lower and 7.5ft wide instead of 8. It is very easy to tow. This floor plan is now the Shadow Crusier 195WBS
WOW look at all the pretty trucks!
Gosh, I still feel like our 07 Expy is "new" with only 65k miles. DW loves her Expy, even if I am home and she could take my car to the store, she won't. Says she likes to have the car do the work for her and it rides nicer than my car (2001 focus ZX3) Weird to think we have owned it over 5 years now, still have 3 years of payments left :( (long story) I can hardly wait for the payments to go away.
The mentality of 3.08 = bad, 3.73 = minimum 4.10 = good is still very pervasive around here. Folks, with the current batch of 6 speed transmissions, the axle ratio is far less important, allowing mfrs to offer only 1 or 2 choices. The 3.08 with the 6 speed (3.08 x 4.17 = 12.84) is STILL deeper than the old 4 speed was with 4.10s (4.1 x 2.84 = 11.64)!! The closer gear ratios keep the engine in the power band (which is higher than old big blocks) Yea, double overdrive will be useless for towing, but is why the truck gets 21mpg unloaded.
The issue with 1/2 ton trucks has never really been about the power, it's about payload. Both of those trailers seem to be at the sweet spot for 1/2 tons, about 5k dry.
If your Silverado has the typical 1500lbs of payload, subtract off your 4 passengers at say 150 a person for person and stuff for 600lbs, leaving about 900lbs payload. Divide by 14% which is typicsl tongue weight for a TT to get about 6500lbs fully loaded. Subtract off water, propane, batteries, food, and stuff. 5000lbs dry is a good number to look at. Both units would likely work out fine. And since you have a truck you have a longer wheelbase to help with the length of the trailer.
Long version of what ATP said :)
If you find your steering gear box is worn out, there is a company that specializes in quality steering gear boxes called Redhead steering gears (redheadsteeringgears.com). In the unlikely event they don't have one for your vehicle, they can rebuild yours for you. When I was part of a dodge community, the steering box was a common item to wear out, and this company was the go-to company for the replacement.
I had a 72 W200 power wagon. 318, NP445 4spd, NP205 gear drive transfer case, 4.10 axle gears, 35s. Was planning on building it up as a toy. Should never have sold it.
I was researching this myself and found that the HD package (2013, 4X4) only comes with a regular cab longbed (3,133 lb payload), supercab longbed (2,265 lb payload), or supercrew shortbed (2,190 lb payload). The problem is that many of the lighter TC's are shortbed models, so you end up with 2,190 lbs with the supercrew. A 2014 chevy silverado 5.3 double cab shortbed, which is the configuration I prefer, is only about 200 lbs less at 1,974. So it depends on the configuration you want really. If a 2WD Regular cab longbed works for you, the payload is similar to or even more than what you get in many F250 configurations.
If you don't go with the payload package, you can get a 4x4 supercab short box with the 3.5 or 5.0 with the max tow package (7700lb GVWR) will be around 2000lbs, similar to the GM.