Nice unit! I like that the bed is a true queen - ours is the shorter version and we're fine with it, but would have preferred the 60 x 80. Like the dinette and the number of windows. It says something like "corner shower", but it looks like what FR calls a "garden shower" in our Rockwood - huge improvement over the standard smaller corner shower. Like the island and also the work space by the stove. Looks like good storage and I like the pull out drawers/shelves in the kitchen. Only downside I see is no sofa, which we use a lot. You'll be at the dinette to watch TV....unless I just missed it.
Before we bought out HTT in '06 we looked at a Surveyor and they are nicely finished and appear to be very well built. Don't know that there are a lot of Surveyor owners here, but surely some will chime in.
Dog Folks is absolutely right. You walk in this awesome trailer, you can just picture your family having a great time, Mr. Friendly Salesman is absolutely thrilled to see you. And he makes it really hard to just walk on, but ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do to stick to your plan. So he acts crushed that you wouldn't buy his trailer, maybe the next guy will, but you have your plan. It's really tough to not let your heart rule your head.
When we were shopping for our HTT back in '06 we saw a TT that was just wonderful. Loved the floorplan and still do. Loved the kitchen and still do. The price was just a few thousand more than we set for our limit and the weight was heavier, but "sure you can tow that no problem". We spent a long time just sitting visiting with the dealer/owner....long enough for us to really start to fall for this trailer. Finally, we were able to get our brain cells back in line and thank him for his time, but that it was just not for us. Darn! We found the perfect HTT for us and loved it for over 7 years. When we decided to move to a TT this past May, that was the first place I looked and it's still a current model. But it wasn't right for us then and after learning a lot about weight, the blasted thing was too heavy then and too heavy now. We did find the perfect TT for us at this time in life, price was right, weight was right, amenities were right. Good luck and happy shopping!
Understand that the Cleveland RV Show in January is excellent. You may find the perfect trailer sitting right there. Take your list of wants, don't wants, don't care. Also, have your tow vehicle info in hand and when the salesman tells you that you can tow much more - like the one he's trying to sell you right then - just walk on. You might also spend some online time with RVW or RVD and even ask for price quotes. Whether or not you buy from either of them, it's a good bargaining tool. And try not to let your heart rule your head, but have fun! Happy shopping!
Difference of opinion re needing 30 - 34' for 4 people. In our case, we camp to be together, enjoy the outdoors and relax. Our new 26 foot is plenty of space for the 2 of us + occasional guests. Again, personal opinon. Too big may defeat the purpose of time together. As mentioned, some folks are perfectly happy and comfy with a 2 or 3 bedroom 1 bath house, while others need 6000 sq ft. Just what you feel you need.
We camped with friends with a 19' HTT for years and they always wanted to end the evening in our 23SS because it was more comfy for our cutthroat dominoes in the evening....mostly true, but we had the same size dinette either way. Just the perception.
Please let us know about you tow vehicle and it's weight limitations....that could change dramatically what we recommend or don't. Remember that salesmen occasionally stretch the truth, eg towing with the VW, lol, so go armed with your numbers and don't let them tell you otherwise. Their job is to get you to sign, then it's your problem.
Owner of a ROO 23SS Hybrid for 7+ years and loved every minute of it. Only reason we've recently made the move to a TT is because, unfortunately, we're getting old and creaky and the hybrid is a bit more involved set up wise....not a major deal, but closing in on our 70's, it was just one more thing.
To be considered a "hybrid", it must have a combination of the hardside trailer with canvas bunkends. The rear slide is just considered an "expandable". Folks will call them whichever pops to mind, but that's the designation.
As far as getting cold, if you were in Canada you'd have to deal with cold. Surprisingly a huge number of northern US and Canadian folks have hybrids and pop-ups and wouldn't consider otherwise. Can't address this with other manufacturers, but the Forest River Hybrids - ROO, Shamrock or Surveyor have heated mattresses for winter use and they're awesome. IMHO, you'd love a hybrid in your area. Your only temp control issues might be heat, but that's also very workable. There are some insulated covers you can get for the bunkends - Pop Up Gizmos, that pretty much moderate both cold and heat. The only time in our 7+ years that we had a problem cooling our hybrid was in Vicksburg, MS when temps were over 100 and humidity only slightly below that number AND not a shade tree to be had. We're in West TN, so trees are part of the southern charm. A few trees nearby and the issues of keeping a hybrid cool are pretty much gone. Not to mention, you'll have probably a 13.5 A/C which is plenty sufficient.
Noise? Never had a problem.
Tall person? DH is also 6'3" and just about 275. The bunkends in virtually all hybrids are approx. 60 x 80, pretty much standard queen size. If your feet touch the canvas not a problem since it's not rigid. The bunkends have a weight capacity of at least 1000#, with some more, so I wouldn't worry about that. The downside of a rear-slide expandable is that if you're feet are to the end of the mattress, they're up against a solid wall.
2 bunkends or 3??? First choice would be 3 since your boys are the age when they'll likely want to bring a friend along. Each would have their own space and no making up the sofa or dinette every night....a real PITA. OTOH, your boys may want to have their own tent to set up and that eliminates the 3 bed need. If the weather should turn nasty, you could do a quick bed make up and be done with it.
I can promise you that the first time you unzip the bunkends and can look out forever to a great view and feel the breezes coming through, you'll really love the hybrid. Strongly suggest you get one with a slide for considerably more inside room, especially movie times or nasty weather. In our case, we towed approx. 23', but when opened up had approx. 30'. Nice. And lighter weight.
New vs pre-owned....if you haven't already done so, suggest you check online at RVWholesalers in Lakeview, OH. That is where we bought our Hybrid and also our new TT. Excellent folks to deal with...very straightforward and no games. They don't post prices online, but request a quote and they'll email it to you right away. You can pretty much figure 30% or maybe a smidge more off MSRP. You're going to need a WDH and also a brake controller, they can supply whatever you need and at a very competitive price. Installation is done right then at no additional cost. Very often you'll find that you can afford new over used with a really good price. if you're interested in financing, they get the best possible interest at that time. Ours is 5%. They sell the Rockwood ROO and a couple of other hybrids. RVDirect is a similar dealer and they sell Jayco, among others. ROO and Shamrock are the same trailer with different interior fabrics and exterior decals. The ROO/Shamrock and various models of Jayco are among the most popular. Re RVW, we saved over $4000 after trip expenses to OH to pick it up vs our local dealer. Even more with our TT. They can arrange delivery and will give you a quote, but strongly suggest pickup at the facility where you get a thorough PDI. The driver delivers....that's it.
If you decide that pre-owned is best, you'll need to check VERY thoroughly for any leaks. Some bunkends have been known to leak from time to time. Most all manufacturers have made changes to their seals and latches and made big improvements over the older models. We had only 1 time with a slight leak - driving on the interstate in a monsoon - bad enough that DH pulled off twice to let the storms blow on through. Leakage was minimal and a dish towel was all we needed to remedy it.
We always said that our hybrid was our first and last/only trailer....just didn't count on all the stuff that comes with aging. We love our new TT and find it perfect for us at this time in our lives, but also consider ourselves hybriders at heart. Suggest you also hop over to the hybrid travel trailer forum here at RVNet and also Hybrid Explorers. Hybrid Explorers is on the slow side right now....gets that way around the holidays on most forums, but come January, everyone starts thinking and talking about spring, where to go, what to do, any issues. You can get lots of good info on either/both forums.
Obviously, my first suggestion would be to take a look at the 23SS....personal opinion is that it can't be beat. Has the best kitchen area workspace other than the new 23IKSS with a great island workspace. Good luck. You're wise to start this homework now rather than after the purchase. One question....what is your tow vehicle and weight limits?? That is actually the place to start.
On a MUCH smaller scale, we just moved from our 23' HTT to a 26+' TT. Towing with an F-150 CC with factory tow, 5.4. Of the places we've camped over the 7+ seasons we had our HTT, I can think of only 1 that would accommodate something as large as a 39'. Even the small additional space we are at now, meant our fav site at our fav CG is a real PITA to get into, when it used to be a snap. We never expected to move from our HTT to the TT, but old age crept up when we weren't looking and this is much easier to setup. We love it and it's really perfect for the 2 of us, but allows for occasional guests with a sofa bed with air mattress. This really is our last TT.
My dear cousin started with an Outback, than a small A, then a bigger A, then a much bigger A and now a 45' monster A. He's happy with his status in life. His DW is miserable because they can't go much of anywhere and really CAMP. I don't consider KOA or similar "camping" and she agrees. Not only is the length a problem, but height with overhanging trees, as mentioned earlier. No narrow, winding roads to get to some CG with lots of trees and great views. We're having a family reunion this summer at LBL and there are sites that he COULD get this monster into, but not maneuver the CG road to get to the site, so they're several miles away at KOA.
Just from reading similar posts, it seems like the 32 - 35' range allows for most of the amenities wanted, plenty of interior space and still lets you get there from here without a problem. I could see the 39'+ a tow vehicle as being a bit tricky in even a Pilot, Flying J, etc that are set up for larger vehicles. That said, it really depends on how you camp and what your needs are.
Tracfone or one of the similar ones is likely your best bet. AT & T has something similar called a Go Phone. Others likely do also. Some place like a Pilot or Flying J, Loves, any of the travel centers usually carry them + the cards for additional minutes. You can get something, think it's called a Hot Spot but not positive, for your laptop, but my understanding is that they're pretty pricey. Almost all McDonald's have free WiFi and more providers are popping up all the time. Some campgrounds have WiFi, either free or for something like $3 a day, but some of them don't work well. Some of the places we've stayed used TengoNet and it's a PITA. If you're just going to be doing a quick online check, you might be money ahead to just buy something like a Kindle with the 4G....connection wherever you have cell phone. If you haven't already checked with your current phone company, I would think a call to them to see what they might suggest would be a good start. Have a great trip!
Couple of years ago at our fav SP CG we noticed 2 large families camping in 2 sites together that are perfect for groups. An older large TT and a relatively new tow vehicle + all the grills, stoves, a couple of extra tents for the older kids, etc for a big weekend. The cutest little kids you'd ever want to see and they were having such a great time...really enjoyable just to watch them all. Found out the next weekend from the ranger, that not one thing was actually theirs....all stolen from various people/locations. Who'd a thought.
Double side sticky Velcro....it'll be your BFF. Plenty easy to remove and if any adhesive remains, Goo Gone fixes that in a second. In our HTT I used that for all our small pictures and personal touches...when time came to sell it, I spent less than an hour taking everything down and cleaning off the small amount of remaining residue...no holes, no damage. When putting up any hooks or towel rings, DH uses just the smaller size plastic anchors and the appropriate size flat-head screw. We never had a problem with anything coming loose. A smoke detector is insignificant weight, so the Velcro is good and when time comes to change the battery, just un-Velcro it and put it back up. Easy.
Note that the OP said they were tent campers, so obviously not used to a hanging locker for clothes or cabinets for storing "stuff". The R-Pod does include a screen room, so if need be, they could certainly store cooking supplies, clothes, etc in a couple of Rubbermaid containers and be perfectly fine. I took a peek at the unit they're checking into online with videos and it does offer some storage + the small pass through, and for a couple, it may be all they want/need. Pretty much the amenities they're after in a small package.
All valid points mentioned above. However....used to tents, prepared not to store half their belongings, would like a potty and not having to sleep on the ground. The R-Pod fills all those requirements. Even has a/c and stove and frig. This is a nice upgrade. The price sounds good.
Looking at pix of this model, it does have a queen bed, so no nightly set up, nice size dinette, frig, microwave and it does have a small front pass through storage area. The only thing that I would seriously consider changing is the OEM legs for the dinette table to the post-style. MHO, the posts are much sturdier.
For the uses you're describing, I think it sounds just about right. Hope it will work out for you.
We've owned 2 FR Rockwood campers and have been pleased with both. No problems other than a manufacturer recall on the Dometic frig and it was done in about 30 min or less at a local dealer. Had a chance to tour a cute little R-pod camped next to us and it has some nice features. The couple using it took extended trips and from the amount of "stuff" they had in there it was really hard to see just what was what. Had a nice u-shaped dinette at the rear that made into the bed - not a plus for us because that can get old in a hurry. Had decent kitchen space. I think that bathroom was the wet-bath type rather than one with a separate shower, etc. Our big boat had that type of head and we didn't object to it at all....just a personal preference. This couple had installed a clothes rod in the bathroom and it was FULL, so again, hard to tell. I think in their time not traveling, they helped supply American Pickers.
If you are looking for something for weekends or short trips, don't need a lot of storage space, lighter to tow, this may be the answer. The price sounds very good, but would still go on NADA and check it out. Just list the year, make and model....no options, even standard options, and this should give you a ballpark.
Check the tires for the manufacture date....it will be a 4 digit number close to the rim. Something like 2310 would mean they were manufactured the 23rd week of 2010. If you're nearing that 4 -5 year time, you'll need to consider new tires. Being a 2010 SHOULD mean that the tires were made in 2010, but it could have been an early 2010 model and could have been manufactured in the summer of '09. And who knows how long the tires could have been sitting around.
Good luck, they're pretty darned cute campers and nicely finished.
We store at home, kind of semi-rural, and have a covered area where it lives 24/7. I've heard dryer sheets and used them every year....don't know if it works, but always smells nice when we open up in the spring. In the fall, I take out ALL food and wash the shelves where the food was stored, vacuum the upholstery to be sure all crumbs are gone, wet mop the floor. I leave the linens and kitchen stuff right where it is, but make sure there are no crumbs in those drawers. I always hesitate to say "we never have had a problem" since that will be the kiss of death. I'll just say so far, so good.
Agree that a closed barn-type building would be a great place for critters to congregate, so that would not be my choice. Ours is covered only, but open sides.
Since you're up north, my first suggestion would be to spend some time online at RVWholesalers. Their pricing is excellent and you may find that your budget will allow for a brand new. In any event, you can use the website as a tool for seeing a lot of manufacturers/brands/models without having to drive all over the world. They do not post prices, but will email they to you. You can guestimate about a 30% discount off MSRP.
Agree you do a bit more research on exactly what your vehicle will tow. We tow with an '03 Ford F-150 with the factory tow. Our rating is 8000# and the new TT we bought in May is 6629 GVWR and we're no where close to that.
It's just the 2 of us and we found the Rockwood Ultra Lite 2604 to be the perfect TT for us. It does have a nice sofa bed with air mattress, so on the rare occasion we need an extra bed, it's available. Don't know if the 2604 is still available, but they have a 2604WS, which added a huge 4-door closet in the bedroom on a slide. In our case, we neither wanted or needed the extra storage, weight or $$, so we're perfect as is. The MSRP on our 2604 was right at $32,000 and we paid $20,000 and change.
In most cases, in addition to showing the floor plans, there will be a video of both inside and outside and a spec listing....not always up to date.
House of Camping in the Chi area was good enough that a fellow hybrider drove from CA to Chi and after trip expenses came out several thousand ahead.
Do as much as you can online, then locate dealers and then head out the door. BTW, RVW is located in Lakeview, OH and considering the trip from West TN for our HTT, we saved over $4000 and on our new TT, more than that, so the drive was well worth it.
I don't know of anywhere that breaks the listings down by length, weight, etc, but RVW does tend to list the smaller sizes in a category first and work to the larger ones.
Good luck in your search. Suggest you confirm all your numbers before you get emotionally attached to a particular model and then find it's not going to work.
We use our local U-Haul dealer. For a 20# tank, it's less than $20. Most everyone else is charging a flat fee regardless of how much it takes, so if all you need is topping off, it costs you the same as if you filled a completely empty tank. I don't think so!
If you have a Sam's Club nearby, check their Greenball Transmaster....usually in stock. Our HTT came OEM and we replaced with 2 sets of the same over our time with it. Never had a problem. Price was reasonable. We liked that there is usually a Sam's somewhere nearby, just in case....but never had to worry about it.
When we had our HTT, which was approx. 23' when towed, but approx. 30' when opened up, I always said 30'. Now that we've changed to our TT, which is 26'+ box, and 29' bumper to ball, I still say 30'. Generally speaking, it's not going to make any difference in cost for your site, they just don't want to try to cram a 32' TT into a 20' site. If you're lucky, you can look at sites online and pick one that suits you. With the HTT, we had to make sure there wasn't a huge tree that would be in the way of dropping the rear bunkend. Now with the TT, it has a deeper slide, so we need flex space to shift to the right a bit more. If you have a deep slide, but sure to mention that. Also the location of the power & water can make a difference. Agree that making sure you can park you tow vehicle in the site or at least next to it is important, so check that.
A balmy 43 here in West TN, but down into the 20's most nights lately. The conversation started yesterday about which weekend we're going back out camping before our yearly trek to FL for baseball - later in March. How do I know???? We've had 60+ degrees the end of Feb and also 20's to 30's. At least it's sunny....today. So tired of grey....if we wanted grey we'd have stayed in Cleveland - sorry OH, but you KNOW it's grey in the winter.