Ladies and Gents,
Well, in our quest for a new toad, many of you have answered stating the Honda CRV as reputable, reliable and an overall great little toad. Well, We've been searching around for one around '07 and up, up to a 2011. But, in talking to my neighbor this afternoon, he states there is NO ALL WHEEL DRIVE CRV. He's been working for a local Honda dealer as a tech for over 10 years. He claimed there is only two wheel drive and four wheel drive.
I began to systematically argue with him about the models available. Mainly because, we've seen in multiple ads, "CRV All Wheel Drive", CRV FWD (front wheel drive) and CRV FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.
And, as usual, we did talk to one salesman who stated the Four Wheel Drive gets better gas mileage than the ALL WHEEL DRIVE. Well, folks, from doing a ton of research in multiple sites, including some official Honda ones, you know, the ones that have the section "Build your Honda, and the only models listed for the 2011 year is 2WD and 4WD. So, we kept going back farther and farther in all the archive ads, info, dealer pictures, etc. etc.etc. and we see no insignia on any CRV, no label on any inside placarding, dash, doors etc., nothing on any legal paperwork shown on any ad etc, that states officially, an AWD or ALL WHEEL DRIVE model as being built, in any year.
So, my question to all of you previous and present owners of CRVs, do any of you have ANYTHING that states yours is an ALL WHEEL DRIVE model??????
Now, let's don't get too crazy here, we certainly DO KNOW about the difference between FOUR WHEEL DRIVE and all wheel drive. Many manufacturers have been producing all wheel drive cars and trucks for years. The four wheels are coupled together by various means and ways, depending on the manufacturer and the technology involved. The Honda CRV four wheel drive model is basically front two wheel drive (FWD) for a very large percentage of the time and, basically only sends power to the rear wheels when and if, it detects the fronts are slipping in whatever kind of conditions they're in.
But, an "All Wheel Drive" model, of any make of manufacturer, has ALL the wheels driving ALL the time. Some of that will vary a little, again, due to technology. So, what say you?
P.S. I guess I'll have to go back to my neighbor with my tail between my legs and admit he's right. Duhhhh, he works for Honda.
Scott and Karla SDFD RETIRED
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On the back of our '07 Honda CR-V, there is a sticker under the rear windshield wiper that says.. "4WD".
In my maintenance book it says "On 4WD model only, Rear differential Fluid: Honda Dual Pump Fluid. Do Not use ATF". I'm just noting that it states on '4WD' models.... not AWD. On page 254 of my operating manual, it refers to vehicles with 4-wheel drive that if you spin the wheels excessively trying to get unstuck, overheating the 4-wheel-drive system will automatically cut off the rear wheels until the system cools down.
There is not a lot of info on the 4WD system in the book, never noticed that before.
Because it is not "all wheel powered all the time", it makes it a 4wd system.
Honda's Real Time 4WD system on the CR-V utilizes a dual hydraulic pump centre/rear differential and 4WD transfer case. The dual pump system employs two pumps, one driven by the drive shaft from the transfer case at the front of the vehicle, and the other driven by the rear differential. When there is a pressure difference of greater than 3% between these two pumps, a clutch that connects the front and rear axles begins to engage. The greater the difference in axle speeds, the more torque is applied to the rear. This system would most accurately be called, "automatically engaged four wheel drive," because the driver has no control over when the system engages. To allow the ABS braking system to function properly, the 4WD clutch will disengage if the brakes are applied. The B20Z engine sends 52% of the torque to the rear wheels or which ever wheel has the most traction
Later model CR-Vs equipped with automatic transmissions also have a lockup torque converter and Grade Logic program which aids the CR-V when climbing steep inclines by keeping the transmission in the lower gear. The 2007+ 4WD system was improved and sends an additional 20% more torque to the rear tires than earlier models.
Good Luck Scott! I'm also in the market for a new toad! My wife doesn't like driving the stick shift in our Toyota Yaris (Best tow vehicle I ever owned! There will be claw marks on it when I trade it in!) Were looking at the Honda Fit!
It's basically a smart 4wd that you have no control of. I bought a new one for my wife back in 06 and she loved it...no buttons to push for additional traction, good fuel mileage, good ground clearance. Had it (5) years and was suprised how well the resell value held up on it.