RV-1/2n-FUN wrote: Not ingesting pesticide residue/growth hormones is FAR HEALTHIER than ingesting them. That's my reasoning for going Organic.
There are many who agree with you completely, but here is a report that says that it makes no difference at all health-wise. I believe the report, and the scientific truth might be different next month as that is the nature of science. On the other hand, you will believe that organic food is FAR HEALTHIER no matter what the science says, and that is the nature of a closed mind.
Ah, but in the brief overview of the report, it doesn't say whether the researchers looked at pesticide a nd growth hormone effects. The levels of various vitamins may be statistically identical, but if they don't test for pesticide residue, the answer would be incomplete.
What is the harm of pesticide residue? What exactly does it do, and how much is typically found on supermarket food, after washing/cooking?
You have made an assumption about the nature of what is found on vegetables, and decided that it was important, without benefit of any sort of quantifiable harm or analysis.
So, if you can find us a peer reviewed article about one or more pesticides causing harm to vegetable eaters, we will know if your concerns have any basis in reality. Good luck with that.
And Jim, MILORGANITE has a Stressor component to it.
I prefer keeping poisons and toxic chemicals from entering my body via the food I eat. If others feel that these items pose no dangers, so-be-it.
It was informative but tells me nothing that I did not know. High doses of banana pudding will eventually kill you too. There is nothing there, nor anywhere else, that says that anyone has ever suffered any harm from any of those pesticides or their residues from the food that they eat. The scientific principle that is being overlooked is the dose dependency aspect of the issues.
Good that you went and looked at the evidence though, and it makes me more comfortable knowing that the CDC has looked at the numbers too.
Stressor wrote: .........It was informative but tells me nothing that I did not know. High doses of banana pudding will eventually kill you too. There is nothing there, nor anywhere else, that says that anyone has ever suffered any harm from any of those pesticides or their residues from the food that they eat. The scientific principle that is being overlooked is the dose dependency aspect of the issues.
Good that you went and looked at the evidence though, and it makes me more comfortable knowing that the CDC has looked at the numbers too.
Not being a computer GEEK, with the utmost respectful use of the term, I can not get the numbers that we know are there. If they were not there, along with the medical evidence, why would certain pesticides be banned in the U.S.?
I will be 80 years old my next birthday and have never purchased any organic food stuff. If I have eaten any, and I probably have, I did not know it. Many buy the organic foods, my son included, for the supposedely snob appeal. Hey look at me I am buying organic foods. If the foods have been sprayed with pesticides, so what. It won't kill you, and a lots of the foods you enjoy today could not be grown without the pesticides..
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Doug4.7 wrote: The next level question might be are the organics better for the environment than "standard" farming? Unless those pesticides quickly degrade, they have to go somewhere.
Note, I don't know the answer to my question, but I would be willing to get my grant funded to study the issue...
the bay below florida where the everglades dumps out is usually green, do to fertilizers.
There is the misconception that organic vegetables are grown on small family farms, picked daily, and taken to the back of the grocery in the farmers 1949 Chevy pickup. Nothing could be further from the truth. Organic farming is big business and most of the organic farms are factory farms whether for vegetables, eggs, or meat. The pesticides and herbicides are not systemic and can be removed by simple washing of the fruit and vegetables. This should especially be done on organic foodstuffs as they are fertilized with manure from highly concentrated factory dairy and poultry farms and can contain many harmful microbes. There have been many instances of grocery folks labeling normally grown food as organic for the increased price. If I am run a butcher shop selling cage chickens for $1.79/# and can sell them as “organic” or free range for $7.99/#, the temptation is certainly there. These hard times make it even more tempting. A lot of what you are paying for as organic really isn’t. It makes you feel better to think farmer Jones wife picked that tomato this morning, brushed it off on her apron and took it to the store just for you, go ahead and enjoy it.
It is a little difficult to follow what you are saying here, so if I got it wrong, throw a shoe or something.
In truth, if it were ever demonstrated that supermarket food contained harmful levels of pesticide or anything else of the sort, and the government knew about it and did not say so, it would bring down the government.
We hear and see a lot of things that make no sense to people with even rudimentary understandings of what is possible. The flap over mercury amalgam fillings is a prime example. These things were blamed for everything that could go wrong in pregnancy and horror stories mounted. Nothing was true. The idiots had run wild with something for so long, blowing it so far out of proportion that the researchers had to go prove what they already knew. Even so, a bunch of folks are not convinced, because incontrovertable evidence is not enough for them.
Stressor wrote: .........It was informative but tells me nothing that I did not know. High doses of banana pudding will eventually kill you too. There is nothing there, nor anywhere else, that says that anyone has ever suffered any harm from any of those pesticides or their residues from the food that they eat. The scientific principle that is being overlooked is the dose dependency aspect of the issues.
Good that you went and looked at the evidence though, and it makes me more comfortable knowing that the CDC has looked at the numbers too.
Not being a computer GEEK, with the utmost respectful use of the term, I can not get the numbers that we know are there. If they were not there, along with the medical evidence, why would certain pesticides be banned in the U.S.?
LindsayRichards wrote: There is the misconception that organic vegetables are grown on small family farms, picked daily, and taken to the back of the grocery in the farmers 1949 Chevy pickup...
aw c'mon...
Everyone knows organic food companies are all small family owned businesses free of corporate greed and corruption. Here's the proof:
* General Mills owns Muir Glen and Cascadian Farm
* Heinz owns Hain, Breadshop, Arrowhead Mills, Garden of Eatin', Farm Foods, Imagine Rice (and Soy) Dream, Casbah, Health Valley, DeBoles, Nile Spice, Celestial Seasonings, Westbrae, Westsoy, Little Bear, Walnut Acres, Shari Ann's, Mountain Sun, and Millina's Finest
* M&M-Mars owns Seeds of Change
* Coca-Cola owns Odwalla
* Kellogg owns Kashi, Morningstar Farms, and Sunrise Organic
* Philip Morris/Kraft owns Boca Foods and Back to Nature
* Tyson owns Nature's Farm Organic
* ConAgra owns LightLife
* Danone owns Stonyfield Farm
* Dean owns White Wave Silk, Alta Dena, Horizon, and The Organic Cow of Vermont
* Unilever owns Ben and Jerry's
The largest organic produce grower in the U.S. is Earthstone Industries, a publicly traded corporation, and has around 40,000 acres under cultivation.
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Quote: The largest organic produce grower in the U.S. is Earthstone Industries, a publicly traded corporation, and has around 40,000 acres under cultivation.
They must have a lot of 1949 Chevy pickups to take those tasty, fresh picked veggies down to the local grocery.
You have to differentiate between the information that was actually conveyed by the study, versus the press's interpretation and summary. The article includes this information directly from one of the researchers:
"A small number of differences in nutrient content were found to exist between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs, but these are unlikely to be of any public health relevance ... Our review indicates that there is currently no evidence to support the selection of organically over conventionally produced foods on the basis of nutritional superiority."
So, please don't go by just the press's very loose use of the word "healthy" when the article actually was looking at nutrient content rather than at the long-term effects of the substances that organic foods' proponents are trying to avoid.
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