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RogerMo

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Posted: 10/19/09 06:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have a bedsaver. When I set the trailer to back under, I set the pin high enough to clear bedsaver. Set a telescoping magnet on the edge of the bedsaver nearer the hitch. Back truck under until the pin hits the magnet and stop and lower the trailer until the pin box touches the hitch, that is always tilted back toward the trailer. The pin box always has to ride up onto the hitch. Never had a problem and no extra time to hookup.


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Posted: 10/19/09 06:25pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I've had a Bedsaver for many years. It is cheap insurance and I would never be without one.

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faulkner1953 wrote:

I am far from being a person with lengthy experience with 5th wheels, but this is what I do when hitching. I back up to the point where the truck hitch is just shy of the trailer hitch. Both have a bit of a slope on the edges that are nearest to each other. Lower the legs on the trailer until the sloped edges are going to be forced to ride up each other. As you back under the trailer, the king pin will have no choice but to seat properly into the lock. This method has always worked for me.


that is how I alwys did it and still do. Maybe that is why I don't understand high hitching.

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BruceStarkey wrote:

The procedures used by folks to test their hook-up range through a gamut of installing a padlock on their hitch locking provision, lifting legs of the trailer slightly while leaving wheels chocked, applying trailer brakes then doing a "tug" or "pull" test to simply hearing the hitch latch and immediately doing a "pull" test without getting out of the truck, then raising legs and driving away.

Commercial operator's as tested by virtually all DMV's throughout the north american continent requires a driver to exit the cab before "hitting the pin" to verify height relationship between truck and tractor, most require the tractor umbilicals to be hooked at this point as well. After "hitting the pin" the driver is then supposed to exit the cab and verify positon of hitch release handle and step to rear wheel of tandems to verify visually that the jaws have closed around the pin and that he is not high pinned, he is not supposed to go under the trailer at all to perform this check. These steps have come about from years of study and practice by people who perform this duty literally thousands of times with no accidents so they must have value based in practice.

Pull test is the last thing you should do AFTER first visually inspecting your hook-up with the legs still down and chocks still in place. Seeing ANY daylight between the two hitch plates should spell an immediate repeat performance of your hitch up from start to finish with lowering the trailer slightly coming first.

While you are performing your walk around doing your light checks and last reminder checks of TV antenna, steps stowed, last bit of doggie doo picked up etc., you should be looking at that hitch every time you get within sight of it as something may "pop out" that you didn't notice in your fast paced routine to look as "professional" as possible with your departure.

Observing an "experienced" professional driver will usually reveal a fellow who is not hurried and one who is obviously doing an eye scan and hands on check of trailer systems from hitch, air supply, wiring, brake canisters, suspension components, tires etc.. For one of those guys to "drop" a trailer is just about the most embarassing and costly (damage to trucks glad-hands & trailer contents being just two) thing to have happen to them. Trying to lift the front of a trailer on the ground that could easily weigh over 30,000lbs with a hand crank ain't a walk in the park, especially with sneering onlookers!


Very well put...As an ex-OTR driver for Central Refrigerated and J.B Hunt the last thing you want to report to the safety department other than an vehicle accident is that you dropped your trailer. A good pre-trip and post trip is mandatory for a truck driver, and I still apply those rule to recreational driving. Alway use G.O.A.L aka "Get Out And Look. And as mentioned above, take your time don't rush your pre-trip inspections.


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marsue wrote:

I will getting out 1st 5er around jan. so I have no experance with 5er's, BUT I work for yellow/roadway (city delivery) and have over 30yrs of driving tractor-trailer.I drop/hook about 4 times a day. on hooking I make sure the trl. is lower than 5th wheel and it rides up plate to hitch. if trl was drop by a diffrent tractor it may be higher than my rig, same as when you have to raise rv to get front to back level. if in a hurry to hook and do not check if it is too high you can a high hitch or jump the pin. just take time and check hight b-4 making hook.


The dealer I bought my fiver from told me this trick the day I picked it up. He said I should leave the rig about 2" lower than the hitch allowing the pin box to ride up the plate and into the jaws. One trick I came up with on my B&W Companion was to put a rubber bungee cord across the hitch frame, under the crossbar. There is a large bolt that secures the hitch plate and allows the rig to roll. I pull the bungee cord up over the end of the bolt to hold the rear of the hitch plate tilted downwards. If I don't do this, it will roll forward, making it a two-man operation to hitch up.

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I did not know much when I bought our 5er 3 years ago. The seller, a retired airline pilot, passed on some of the good advice, given on this thread, regarding checking & double checking before getting anywhere near the highway.

The truck takes some of the weight as the kingpin slides into the hitch. Prevents high hitching. I listen for the double clank as it goes in. A visual is always done. A manual brake test is done before I get out of the CG.

In boating, there are skippers who have been aground & there are skippers who have yet to run aground. In RVing much is the same. Sooner or later everyone is going to make a blunder.


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Posted: 10/20/09 07:08am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We purchased the Blueox Bedsaver and it works well. Will catch the 5th wheel if it isn't hooked. Well worth the money.


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Posted: 10/20/09 07:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have a Curt 20k Q5 hitch. It clearly states in the manual that the pin bix is to be 1/2" BELOW the hitch plate for connecting. The disconnect position is 1/16" ABOVE the hitch plate. I know this is probably totally dissimilar to your hitch but it might be a consideration.

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Posted: 10/20/09 02:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This happened to me when I first started towing a fiver (no damage thankfully). As a result I visually inspect to confirm the hitch jaws are completely around the kingpin. I keep a flashlight in the door pocket of my truck for just this purpose. Some paint the back of the hitch jaws white to aid in this inspection.


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Everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the truck was going uphill at the time, while the trailer was going down hill. Isn't it possible that if there was enough difference in the angle of the truck/trailer that the pin could have pulled right out of the hitch? Or is it possible that the angle caused the sides of the front of the 5th wheel to hit the sides of the truck bed and lift out of the hitch?


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