redwake
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This forum is a wealth of knowledge so i thought I’d post here… I learned listening to Adam corolla my favorite pod cast the other day that technology exists to turn algae into bio diesel some Google searches confirm but I don’t get a lot of detail on how the conversion takes place
Where there are abundant resources explaining the process of turning French fry oil into biodiesel.
Is there a mad scientist on here that explain to me why the country is burning time and money on clean coal technology and not algae farms and bio diesel?
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Bio-diesel would not be practical here in the midwest (I'm sure some will disagree) due to its tendency to gel up in colder weather wheter there is additives in their or not...
Biodiesel is still in its infant stage and long-term effects on diesel engines has not been found yet...for the most part I'm not willing to expose my $50,000+ diesel truck to bio-diesel just to save a few cents per gallon...
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DUO_CORE
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This site has alot of info on bio-diesel:
Bio-diesel
If wanting to use bio-diesel I suggest educating yourself a little first like you seem to be doing. We run B-100 in our Sprinter (Mercedes), 2006 Duramax, and 2007.5 6.7L Cummins. Closing in on 200,000 combined miles with 0 issues. I'm just now starting to blend for the cooler temps. In winter I switch back to petrol diesel and use the bio-diesel in my oil furnace. Good luck in your search.
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Algae is where the big hitters in Bio are spending their research $$$. It has potential but also has some issues that must be overcome B4 it is a mass production raw product. Right now retail cost difference is the main hold back for Bio in most markets.
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Turtle n Peeps
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Quote:Is there a mad scientist on here that explain to me why the country is burning time and money on clean coal technology and not algae farms and bio diesel?
Because if we used every lake in the nation and filled it with algae it would not even make a dent in the diesel fuel that the nation uses each year.
The ethanol deal is just KILLING the dairies around my area. Corn has doubled and then some because of ethanol. The ethanol deal is a bad deal and the algae deal is worse.
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redwake
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DUO_CORE wrote:This site has alot of info on bio-diesel:
Bio-diesel
thanks ill take a look at that interesting to hear every ones prospectives on this... i'm looking at this more as for informational purposes rather than trying to put anything in to production myself my vehicles run on gas but if this technology has promise i would further investigate trading into diesel vehicles.
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BenK
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check out these links on biodiesel
algae to produce oil yields of 100,000 gallons per acre video
First Algae Biodiesel plant goes on line April 1 2008
Local to me, news article on Biodiesel
one would think if this works out...a change in the balance of power
with the middle east...
The politicians are looking at the wrong kind of alcohol...there are
countries now running on the 'right' kind. Argentina
It boils down to lobbyists and the best politicians money can buy...
Corn and oil company lobbyists.
Forget about hydrogen. Wrong kind of energy source.
I like the above algae vertigo system. That can then drive diesel
generators to power our electrical needs and automotive needs.
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M GO BLUE wrote:Bio-diesel would not be practical here in the midwest (I'm sure some will disagree) due to its tendency to gel up in colder weather wheter there is additives in their or not...
Biodiesel is still in its infant stage and long-term effects on diesel engines has not been found yet...for the most part I'm not willing to expose my $50,000+ diesel truck to bio-diesel just to save a few cents per gallon...
Sorry, but it is well beyond the infant stages. If it is true ASTM rated retail or brewed properly by the home brewer it is 100% perfectly safe for use in our trucks with no harming effects. Biodiesel is 10 times less toxic than table salt, and biodegrades faster than sugar.
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I just spent about two months researching the Biodiesel industry from an economical viewpoint and in a nutshell the following are my conclusions.
1. Cost of production, before any profit, is too prohibitive to
sustain economic viability. Starting with feedstock, cost to the
pump is in round figures $4.80 per gallon before application of
the $1.00 per gallon manufacturing subsidy from Uncle Sam and that
$1.00 is in the form of a tax credit to be applied to any profits
generated from the product. At current fossil fuel pricing I don't
believe the consumer is willing to pay that cost at the pump. The
result of the above says the likelihood of ever taking advantage of
that tax credit are real slim.
2. As of August 2009 70% of the manufacturing capacity in the U.S.
was sitting idle with no market for the product.
3. Europe put large tariffs in place to stop dumping of U.S.
biodiesel into their market last spring.
4. Most feedstocks are soy, tallow or corn and that market keeps
rising driving production costs even higher.
5. Algae as a feedstock is, at the least, 5 years out to be
economically viable.
6. At this stage most every Biodiesel facility in the country is
subsidized to about 90% with federal tax dollars through energy
loans or grants to tune of several billions of dollars to date and
they are going into bankruptcy at a horrendous rate.
7. A check into the banking industry reveals not a single taker to
lend money for a venture into Biofuels and the same response came
from the venture capital people.
8. As far as I can determine there has been very little to no funding
this year (2009) to this industry from the Federal coffers as the
politians would like us to believe. These fund were to be
available through the America Recovery Investment Act of 2009.
In addition in 2007 Congress passed law under the RFS (Renewable
Fuels Standards) decreeing 500,000,000 gallons of biodiesel be
blended into the fossil diesel supply by 2009 calling for
increases in each following year projected out to 36 billion
gallons per annum by 2022. To date (October 2009) those mandates
have not been implemented by the EPA due to internal bickering.
All my information came from the following sources:
National BioDiesel Board
Biodiesel Magazine
Forbes Magazine
Wall Street Journal
Researching multiple sources within the international BioDiesel Industry
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Quote: If it is true ASTM rated retail or brewed properly by the home brewer it is 100% perfectly safe for use in our trucks with no harming effects
Lets say, with a common rail, up to 5%.
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