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bleedwater

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Posted: 11/15/09 10:18pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We bought a Ford F-250 with the 6.4L diesel. Love it good truck.
Like all newer diesel engines it needs ULSD (15 ppm Sulfur
Maximum)fuel. And if you must use a bio-diesel blend B5
5% bio-diesel is acceptable too but in no higher quantity than 5%.

In Illinois the 15ppm is stated but everywhere , but here it
typically also says contains bio-diesel blend in (5% to 20%) concentration. Between and 5 and 20 is not 5 so it can not be used.
I have never yet seen a pump that says B5 specifically. It says nothing or it says (5% to 20%) which is no good for my warranty.

Before running out of fuel (barely) in my first tank I found that Meijer does sell ULSD without any blend. So I am ok locally so far.


Question: How to you with new engines just take off across country
and find compatible fuel. This is harder than I expected. Watch
out in Illinois. The bio (5% to 20%) blend is all over the place.
It seems to be predominate around Chicago and I55 south too.

It is hard enough just finding diesel, now this. What do you folks
do to chart out your fueling needs on a trip. Can I count on any fuel
brand always offering just USLD with no bio blend at all?

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Posted: 11/15/09 10:42pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

In Colorado Biodiesel is much more difficult to obtain than ULSD and my old truck runs fine on that.


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Diesel is absolutely not hard to find and ULSD is available almost anywhere. We recently completed a 14,000 mile trip from Arkansas to Deadhorse, Alaska and over to Inuvik, NWT, Canada and back. The only place ULSD was not available was north of Coldfoot Alasaka and north of Dawson, Yukon. As far as bio-diesel is concerned I don't know. In the lower 48 I never found a station that did not have ULSD, some also had LSD but all had ULSD. Keep in mind that all diesel engines since 2007 ( I think ) have required ULSD. That includes all those commercial trucks also. Bio diesel mixtures are rare in the west in my experience.


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Yeah engines as of '07 are required to have ULSD (I think this is also known as Diesel #2)

I can use either diesels since I have an '01 F350 SRW turbo Power stroke 7.3L I can use the newer ULSD or the LSD and I can use up to 10% Bio-diesel as well.

I've also been told that because Diesel #2 (ULSD) has less lubricity that I should use Stanadyne additive to help with engine longevity as with older diesels this was not so much of an issue as with newer diesels that are required.

Bio-diesels have great lubricity but they will wear out the seals more and will require maintenance sooner than usual.

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Hi,

I have been reading about this group for many years, and they have been running sulfur free fuel made from used cooking oils for many years.

http://www.veggievan.org/

Many of the owners are using the 7.3L Ford and then as the engines got smaller they still work fine. I never understood why Ford or International claims that anything over 5% can damage the engine. Or why they decided that 5% was acceptable? So many people are using 100% bio diesel for many years, it just seems unreal that someone will have the power to say "This engine can only use 5% maximum biodeisel" and get away with it.

They have been using biodiesel in VW, Mercededs, motorhomes of all brands, Ford, Dodge and GM pickups among others.

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I agree with the OP. We drive through Illinois 2-4 times a year now since our daughter moved to Iowa. We cannot find anything but Bio, everywhere! I absolutely had to use it on one of our first trips, but have learned to fill up before leaving Indiana going West, and to fill in Iowa when going East. Other states don't seem to push it so much. There are options. I really don't know how people in Illinois do it either!


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They way I understand it B5 was the the only certified Bio by new truck makers. B6 thru B100 are not certified for use in new engines. with that said I have burn what ever a brand name clean station sells. the highest I have seen was B20 in central ILL. B100 is mostly home brewed from what I can tell. Good luck.

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Around here all you can find is ULSD, I prefer LSD as I get better mileage. No Bio around here than God.


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Posted: 11/16/09 07:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Most WA and OR diesel is B5. I tried 1 tank of B20 in my 01, power, mileage and fuel filter all suffered.


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Posted: 11/16/09 07:45am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have used many tankfuls of B20 in my 08F450 6.4 and it runs great, no problems at all. I think many of you need to read up on Bio fuels and educate yourselves about it, I did. Try this link. www.biodiesel.org

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