RandACampin wrote: Funny how everyone...ERS, FE, CapriRacer and others all say the same thing, but if they don't say it the same way with thjavascript:;e same agenda it isn't true. Nuances and key words are so important to certian people on these threads that even a slight variation in language is a fight.
Kinda pathetic and silly.
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Hey, c'mon - it's not pathetic or silly when you're a tire EXPERT !.
BTW - interesting letter in April Trailer Life RV Clinic (Pg. 88) -"Tire Trauma".
IMO - should have been titled "Marathon Trauma" or "Chinese Trauma".
Ken Freund did a nice job of "CYA" (Cover Your Advertisers) -
but it needs some more "unencumbered" expert input..
Popcorn time!.
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OK is any of this available on-line?
Don't know when (or if) TL posts their current issue on line - but
even the small, local library has TL on the periodical shelf, usually on the shelves at book stores, etc.
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A little Tobasco sprinkled on the popcorn helps for this thread!.
As this thread gets into the name calling, brand bashing, and personal attacking stage it may be time to reflect on some of the pros & cons of the thread before it gets to the red line and is shutdown.
For those that intently follow tire threads and actively participate in their discussions, this thread has proven to be an outstanding sounding board.
For the majority of viewers/readers this thread is too long and complicated. People with serious tire problems want easy answers and solutions to their problem. This thread is mumbo-jumbo to them. But some will take any advice. Design and brand advice seems to top the list and has a strong influence on the inexperienced posters seeking answers. So be careful when making recommendations without thoroughly researching them.
The only way to change a bureaucratically organized system is to attack its standards. They even provide the tools for us to attack them with. Use them. For the most part their investigations show them that we, the users, are at fault and until factual, documented information, is provided in response to our verbal claims that will be the status quo.
All tire failures have their own set of circumstances. Seldom is there a post that completely describes the event. Example: A poster reported low mileage failure of his OE tires. Then reported that the #$&*^$%^&* no good spare bomb blew up when the weight of the trailer was put on it. Come to find out it had never been used and was 8 years old and had always been exposed to the elements.
There are a lot of experienced posters that highly recommend retreadable, regroveable tires as replacements for OE tires. They are not bullet proof. That is evident with the high failure rate of the only one that is actually OE, the GY G614 tire when it is stressed. Many will say that problem has been fixed. I wonder how. Maybe our experts can tell us how that happened without a major design upgrade in those tires. I haven’t seen any “newer is better” advertisement. Maybe that would be admitting there was/is a problem with the basic design. Again, we need the experts opinion on the steel cased tires and their densely designed treads,
Come on Calvin you were all set to change to a steel case, retreadable, and regroveable 17.5" commercial truck tires until you were called out about it and the conflict with your undieing support for ST tires. You know the ones with the dense tread, just like those that you love to hate! Yes the same ones that will run 6 or 7 years and can be sold on places like CL for a couple hundred dollars!
So you have already done your own research on the subject and as you stated you were getting to old for tire problems, yes? You posted in quite detail about your research and tire choice. However like in the past you may have gone back and deleted as much of that as you could when your ST tire ship came in again. I will dig around and see if I can find it for you, OK? If some one quoted your post, then you would not be able to delete it in the quoted post.
Again there are many that post about real world success with ditching ST in favor of LT tires and you could have done that years ago. However you got on your little ST tire agenda and for some reason can not let go of it. That raises a LARGE question about motive and/or compensation!
Chris
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2001.5 2500 STD CAB AUTO SLT 4x4, CTD 4:10's, Bomb'd to Tow
2005 Cardinal 29WBLX.
Tireman9 wrote: Did anyone learn anything from my efforts to file a complaint with NHTSA?
Most of the rv'ers I see in our Snowbird park so not even bother to file a claim with tire company much less the feds. Most just file a claim with their insurance company.
You are right that nothing is going to change the way things are going!
I think stopping the problem at first retail sale is the best bet!
Consumers have to be willing to pay 100-200 per tire/wheel.
Once the snowball starts rolling, then trailer manufacturers that do not get on board will pay a price.
The Cheap ST tire issue is much bigger than travel trailers.
OK Calvin, one more time. We cannot continue to ignore the elephant in the room. All the other tire company insiders here don't hide anything. Wear as with you there is always that question as to where your true loyalties lie.
Are you or are you not receiving compensation from tire companies of any kind or nationality? A simple yes or no will do. Keep in mind that a non answer is essentially a yes answer.
It is beyond belief that anyone that has had as many tire issues with ST tires as you would continue to blindly use them without some sort of compensation. Most here with any common sense would have looked for an alternative a long time ago instead of filling landfills with your discarded tires.
So, it is up to you.
Keith
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Tireman9 wrote: Did anyone learn anything from my efforts to file a complaint with NHTSA?
Your not the first person on this web and other trailering websites that has filed a tire complaint with NHTSA. One hauler on a east coast LTL website has 5 tire complaints over a 30 month period with NHTSA. He has 5 thank you letters to show for it.
However he was wise enough to listen to some of the older experienced haulers and made the necessary tire changes that ended his down time on the side of the road. Down time for those folks = lost revenue for their business.
NHTSA has know for years about the poor reliability of trailer tires. With a very small, to non, body count over many years, IMO NHTSA won't step on any tire industry toes and regulate a more reliabe tire in the niche tire industry which includes trailer tires in many cases.
I agree every trailer owner with a premature ruined tire should file a complaint. They also need to let NHTSA know how much dollars in damage the inferior tires caused them.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers
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'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 gvwr two slides
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