Kind of comical seeing all the posts citing the truck's brakes when pulling a large trailer. The trailer brakes stop the trailer anmd pull backwards on the tow vehicle if adjusted properly. Having the truck's brakes stop the trailer is asking for a jacknife to happen! The trailer MUST pull backward on the truck when braking! Different when hauling a truck camper as it has no axle nor brakes so the truck brakes must stop both.
That's funny or is it comical? :h
On their own the brakes on my current 3500HD dually are designed to stop a 13,000 pound truck and the last truck I had was a 2010 2500HD where the brakes on it were designed to stop a 9,200 pound truck. Theoretically the dually is 29% better.
At the controller I setup the properly adjusted trailer brakes to the point just before lockup with either truck. I feel that familiar tug whenever I step on the brake pedal in either truck/trailer combo.
Except that the dually has better stopping ability so from a practicable standpoint.... yes that combo does stop better than it did when the over loaded 3/4 ton pulled the same trailer. This with the trailer pulling backwards on the TV.
I think travelnutz gave some excellent advice and allow me to add my experience.
My last truck (2500 HD) and a bit lighter 5er than yours. Quoting from CRS memory but once I added in the hitch weight, people, gear & fuel including a transfer flow tank I was over the GVWR of the truck by about a 1000 pounds. Truck was near the RAWR of 6000 pounds which is pretty much the limits for the two E rated tires.
Truck pulled it well but.... Stability wasn't good especially in a side wind. Air bags helped but still not where I liked..
I upgraded to a dually where it made a night and day difference in stability and braking ability... Peace of mind that I'm way under on the TV capacity is nice too.
Recently we stayed in this nice RV Park in our Zephyr DP... However, when we set up in our assigned spot there were some branches on a tree that were contacting the left side of our coach. I could have backed up except if I did that our bedroom slide would be beside our neighbour's fire pit!
So I asked the office what our options were where they agreed backing up beside the fire pit would be least desirable so they offered to come right over and trim the branches away...
Everything was good again except for this guy three sites over that was drinking wine and taking pictures of our DP! I hope he wasn't thinking of stealing my Harley?!?!?!
Yeah, I'm starting to think I'll need a lighter 5er...or a TT instead.
Looks like I'll be maxing her out even with a lighter 5er and I really don't like the idea of pushing a truck at its max on long hauls....even though they rate them really low, imo, to make sure they cover their own butts. I'd put a higher rated tire, but that won't matter as the axle would be the weak link at that point.
FWIW it's the same rear axle in both the 2500HD's and 3500HD including the dually. But changing the tires doesn't change the RAWR of your 2500HD.
Our present 5er is a Sabre 33CKTS which is very comparable in weights as the OR you're looking at. My loaded pin weight is almost 3,000 pounds so I would venture a guess the OR would be close to that in reality.
I agree with DFM to weigh your truck full of fuel taking into consideration 200 pounds for the hitch... esp if you're gonna need a slider. Then add in 3,000 pounds of pin weight and decide from there.
OK, did some research on my truck for those of you who've brought up towing concerns. It looks like I have about 3,100# of cargo, my rear tires have over 3,100# and my rear axle has a 6,200 # rating.
Now, I'm a little confused, what do I do to "do the math". The trailer's pin rating is roughly 2,000. Of course, that's dry. How do you determine how much weight is on the pin once loaded down.
So what is the "formula" for towing a 5er? """
Please tell us exactly what Duramax You have.
My Duramax in my signature has a gvw of 9200 and going thru the scales with a full fuel tank, my 135 pound wife, 20 pound dog , 80 pound trailer hitch ,40 pound tool kit in the box , my weight is 7380 pounds. My duramax is 2wd so lighter than a 4w4.
So my cargo carrying limit is about 1800. When I throw a few things in the box like golf clubs, bbq , chairs,etc. and hook the trailer on I am near maximum gvw for the truck.
I don't know how You get 3100 cargo ability on your Duramax. Is it a Dually? More details needed!!!
Ideal method would to scale the unit but pin weight is approx. 20 to 25% of the trailer weight. i.e. 13,000 GVWR fifth wheel will have 2600 - 3250 pounds of pin weight.
OP's original post says he has a 2013 2500HD Duaramax. Like your 2007 my old 2010 2500HD had the same GVWR of 9200. 2013's have a higher GVWR of 10,000 pounds. RAWR is still the same @ 6200 which would be the weight ratings of E rated tires.
Personally... we got rid of the 2500HD to a dually because 2000 pounds was not enough capacity for our trailer with almost 3000 pounds of pin weight plus the weight of the hitch etc...
Seriously I really don't care about Ontario as I'm in B.C. Surely with all the Canadians that stay in the park in Yuma where we drop anchor for about 4 months must get insurance. Is info too much to ask ???????????
What did BCAA have to offer when you spoke to them?
I haven't talked to them yet. I assume as I'm not a member they won't quote me. Perhaps I'm wrong ?
My neighbour here in Alberta spends 182 days a year down there where they've gone with AMA for the last few years so BCAA might be a good option to look into.