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RE: Illegal Towing.... Triple Towing
Not sure what you call this.....I call it convenient but seeing as it is about 120 feet long I suppose there might be a possibility that it could be considered illegal.
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4x4ord
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06/18/13 02:32pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: new or used
I figure they depreciate about 12% per year and if I am using it regularly I will want to keep it within about 8 years old. So if I were to start with a $90,000 unit it might be worth about $32,000 in 8 years. So roughly $7200 depreciation per year. If I were to buy a 4 year old unit twice for $54,000 each time and keep each one for 4 years, it might cost me about $44,000 for depreciation over the same 8 year period or $5500 per year. I guess in the whole scheme of things its not a big deal one way or the other.
Agree they all depreciate. Financially it's losing proposition.
New or used the only way to get value is to use it as much as possible. The more you use it the more value you get. If you are looking for an investment an RV is not the place to put your money.
My advice is to pick the one you truly like and keep it a long time.
Good luck with you decision.
What you say makes sense. It also gets me thinking. If I am going to go all out and buy an expensive RV with the intent of keeping it a long time it might be well worth it to build a garage to store it in when it is not being used. The garage shouldn't depreciate and it will allow me to be happy with my purchase for a little longer. So now my question becomes: what makes more sense, replace the fiver every 4 or 5 years or build a garage for it and keep the thing for 8 - 10 years?
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4x4ord
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06/18/13 05:45am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: new or used
I figure they depreciate about 12% per year and if I am using it regularly I will want to keep it within about 8 years old. So if I were to start with a $90,000 unit it might be worth about $32,000 in 8 years. So roughly $7200 depreciation per year. If I were to buy a 4 year old unit twice for $54,000 each time and keep each one for 4 years, it might cost me about $44,000 for depreciation over the same 8 year period or $5500 per year. I guess in the whole scheme of things its not a big deal one way or the other.
You get much more for your money with a lightly used high end unit than a mid grade mew unit for the same price.
Bottom line I wish you good luck with what ever you decide.
Thanks, if I were to be buying a 5ver tomorrow there is a fairly good chance it would be a 2011 36 SB3 Mobile Suites.
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4x4ord
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06/17/13 11:08pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: new or used
I figure they depreciate about 12% per year and if I am using it regularly I will want to keep it within about 8 years old. So if I were to start with a $90,000 unit it might be worth about $32,000 in 8 years. So roughly $7200 depreciation per year. If I were to buy a 4 year old unit twice for $54,000 each time and keep each one for 4 years, it might cost me about $44,000 for depreciation over the same 8 year period or $5500 per year. I guess in the whole scheme of things its not a big deal one way or the other.
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4x4ord
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06/16/13 03:27pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: The dreaded bedroom slide crack
Mine just cracked last weekend. I plan to fix it myself. I'll grind out a v in the gel coat fill it in with new gelcoat and then sand it down to smooth. If it works, great and if not, oh well, it's an old trailer.
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4x4ord
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06/16/13 03:12pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Can I trust that little gauge?????
I would go by that little gauge. In our equipment the filter may last anywhere from hours to years before needing cleaning, depending on conditions. A dirty filter will provide cleaner air to the engine than a clean filter will. When the filter gets to be dirty enough to cause exessive air retriction the gauge will tell you.
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4x4ord
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06/16/13 02:14pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: new or used
We purchased a "new" 2012 Arctic Fox last month for about 2/3 MSRP so we still got the factory warranty and traded in our well-traveled 10 year old AF that was needing some expensive repairs. It was a fifth wheel that someone special ordered but the deal didn't work out. I wouldn't have any qualms about buying a nice used RV, especially from a private party but this one came along and was what we were looking for.
You gotta love it when that happens. If I happen to stumble across a deal like that I might be buying sooner.
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4x4ord
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06/15/13 06:04pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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new or used
I am thinking of purchasing a new 5th wheel and spending a couple months per year touring around. I still haven't nailed down exactly when, but likely in the next couple of years. I wrestle with buying a little lesser quality new one vs a high end slightly used one. Anyone regret buying new?
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4x4ord
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06/15/13 05:36pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Real towing experiencing with SRW
I tow about 32000 lbs behind my SRW. I am not sure how much weight goes on the pin. The truck handles it very well, although I don't have long steep grades to pull. My 5ver is about 14,500 and I really don't notice a whole lot of difference between pulling one or the other,
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4x4ord
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06/15/13 04:39pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Is this legal?
I have a neighbor whose wife was driving while he slept in the camper. She was stopped to get fuel when he woke up and decided to take advantage of the stop to use the service station's washroom. When he got out of the washroom she was gone. I think she drove for hours before the police pulled her over to let her know she lost her passenger.
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4x4ord
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06/15/13 10:20am |
Beginning RVing
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
By my sig, i pull with a 2002 8.1.....Its specs are roughly 340HP and 455 lb ft of torque. If a guy were to opt for a 2000-2002 Cummins, approx the same specs, does a Diesel pull any easier. Just a thought.
I realize they tow at a much lower RPM.
Thanks. Just curious.
Too long and haven't read all of the responses...here is mine
You are comparing apples to oranges
First, one has more BTU's per equal volume measurement than the other
So not a level comparision
PSI on the piston top is the name of the game. One has a dialed in
or designed in higher compression ratio vs the other. One has more
potential energy via that higher BTU count and higher compression
ratio out of the box.
SMOG controls are different and makes a huge bite out of performance
Not all the time, but during 'their' working cycle periods
Most of today's diesel's in TV's are forced fed. Gassers are not
That is back to the PSI on the piston top again
There are a host of other attributes just for the ICE. Like valving
(multi, cam profile, push-rod vs OHC, etc)
Then the rest of the drive train. Most notable is the gearing all the
way to pavement and that includes tire rev's per mile
Bottom line is the biggie...one has more BTU's than the other and therefore
'should' have an advantage for your question
My 7.4L pulls as good as that era's diesel's, but they all get better
MPG because of their higher BTU's per gallon
btu's per gallon goes to the diesel which contributes to the diesel's better fuel economy but as far as which fuel can make more torque and power per displacement the winner is gasoline. Diesels outperform gasoline engines due to the fact they lend themselves more easily to turbocharging. Take the turbo off a diesel and you'll see how that more btu's per gallon doesn't put as much pressure on the piston as gadoline.
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4x4ord
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06/14/13 01:22pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
AS LONG AS I AM TOWING SOMETHING IT WILL ALWAYS BE WITH A DIESEL
I really could care a less what fuel I am burning. Currently the diesels make superior tow vehicles but that could change. It wouldn't take much to develop a gasoline powered electric truck that would outperform a current diesel.
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4x4ord
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06/14/13 08:00am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
Horsepower is horsepower. Two prime movers with the same HP will pull the same load up the same hill at the same speed. I don't care if it's gasoline, diesel, electricity, or steam powering them. Just let them operate at the speed they develope that power and ignore the sound they make.
Gasoline does loose some to diesel in thet more gear reduction can mean more parasitic losses and less HP delivered to the ground. The turbocharger also gives the diesel an advantage at higher elevations. the playing field may level if turbocharging becomes popular on larger displacement gasoline engines. A 5.0L ecoboost would be a good 3/4 and 1-ton truck engine for part time towing IMHO.
Sometimes the gasoline engine will win simply because the diesel can't spin fast enough to make the speed while delivering its extra torque to the ground.
Diesel will almost always win the fuel efficiency award. Whether or not it saves enough fuel to pay for itself has to be determined on a case by case basis.
Horsepower is horsepower but you need to look at the torque curve and consider the transmission ratios to have any idea how the truck is going to pull a trailer up a hill. My Ford which has a very flat torque curve will only make max HP at one rpm which means one speed per gear: 21 mph in 1st; 35 mph in 2nd; 54 mph in 3rd; 72 mph in 4th. A gasoline engine which makes its max HP at 4200 rpm (and likely also has a fairly flat torque curve) with the same transmission and rear axle would really only have 2 usable hill climbing speeds: 1st gear at 30 mph or 2nd gear at 51 mph. A highway tractor with a large Cat and an 18 speed transmission will have no problem putting max power to the wheels at any speed. (the big Cat has a torque curve which drops significantly as the engine rpm increases)
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4x4ord
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06/13/13 11:11pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
If the diesel's operating range is from 1400 rpm to 2900 and the gasoline engine might be expected to operate from 1400 to say 4200 rpm. At 1400 rpm the gasoline engine won't make much power but it needs to run slow if its going to get descent fuel economy when cruising empty. For this reason you might want both the gas and diesel to have similar gears for cruising empty down the highway. When pulling a heavy trailer up a hill the diesel will be happy at say 1800 to 2900 rpm where as the 8.1 liter gas engine is going to need 3500 rpm before it starts making some ponies. So now if the gasoline engine is going to be expected to pull like the diesel in low gear its going to need a 7.25 ratio rear end to compete with the diesels 3.73 ratio.
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4x4ord
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06/13/13 07:34pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Need towing report from Ricatic
I own a 2010 Duramax and a 2011 Powerstroke.
The GM handles a little better than the Ford when unloaded.
Both trucks get fairly similar mileage empty - I'd say a slight advantage to the GM when empty. Towing the Ford does better in the mileage department.
The Allison transmission is always making smooth shifts and choosing the right gear for the load and speed where as the Ford will sometimes make harsh shifts and is not always in the gear it should be.
The Ford torque converter is superior to the GM's.
For towing smaller trailers (up to 12,000 - 14000 lbs) both trucks perform excellent.
When towing heavier trailers there is no comparison the GM lets you know it is working - it revs much higher making much more noise and vibration. The torque converter seems reluctant to hook up under very heavy loads with the GM.
About the only thing that lets you know the Ford is working is the fuel gauge. I won't use the GM on large trailers if I can avoid it.
The Ford has much more comfortable seats with far better adjustments.
The towing mirrors on the Ford not only provide electric extend and fold but also provide much better visibility.
The information center on the Ford is much nicer.
The Ford allows the operator to disallow any number of the top gears and has a very nice indicator to show which gears are available and also marks the current gear.
The Powerstroke is a smother quieter engine than the Duramax.
Ford offers a tailgate step.
The Ford seems tighter - GM has developed more creaks, squeaks and rattles.
Ford has locking storage compartments, much larger console more AC adapters and and an inverter that the GM lacks.
More thought seems to have been put into the layout of the Ford's buttons and controls. GM has many switches lined up that need to be read in order to know what they are for. The Ford has been more reliable than the GM although I wouldn't complain about either as far as reliability goes.
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4x4ord
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06/12/13 12:48am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: 1 Ton SRW Truck
I am close. I use the truck for alot of running around empty so I prefer the srw for that. When towing my rv I have a slight preference for a srw and when towing my gooseneck I really should be using a dually.
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4x4ord
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06/10/13 10:55am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: 1 Ton SRW Truck
Just got home from a weekend trip with my unit. We traveled during high cross winds and I don't think I could have been more relaxed. I agree the stability thing is way over rated. The dually advantage is greater pin weight capability and it may save a few dollars on the purchase price. The SRW gets better mileage, is more maneuverable, gets better winter traction and it may make the difference as to whether or not it will fit in your garage. At about 3500 lbs pin weight you are forced to look at the dually with the new trucks.
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4x4ord
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06/10/13 09:15am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Tow weight
I don't have much regard for numbers, but I agree with NC, based on experience, that a 14,500 lb fiver is too heavy for a 2005 GM D/A. I think the truck lacks the ability to hold back that amount of weight on long grades without the addition of an exhaust brake. The engine and transmission cooling will be taxed heavily in the mountains and the payload might be of concern as well - although airbags would help in that regard.
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4x4ord
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06/06/13 12:41pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Looking at trucks
Get a new F350 with the Powerstroke and I can guarantee you that you will never have problems with plugs again.
Did Ford dump the glow plugs??
If no the only truck without plugs is the Ram Cummins, no plugs, spark or glow, intake heater much easier to deal with.
You know, your right, I think Ford still uses glow plugs, although in the last 3 years I don't recall ever using them. I just jump in my truck and give the key a quick flip and it starts instantly, even in our Canadian winters, although my truck is kept in a garage most of the time.
Ford has glow plugs, and yes you use them. There is a squiggly figure that lights up till it is ready to start. It only takes a few seconds.
I jump in the truck and turn the key all the way to start which engages the starter immediately and the engine starts right now. I guess the glow plugs could cycle a bit after it starts but I never wait for any squiggly shaped light to turn off first.
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4x4ord
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06/04/13 06:43pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Silverado 3500HD 2013 vs 2014
I would either wait for the 2015 GM or buy a Ford or Ram if I didn't want to wait.
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4x4ord
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06/04/13 06:28pm |
Tow Vehicles
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