Nice rig, we love our travel queen and just got it loaded in the truck for the season, Cant wait to run it up to Yellowstone this summer!
Send along a photo. Now we have two Travel Queens. Looking like a trend.
I saw a triple slide Chalet at the Texas Truck Camper Rally a few weeks ago. Actually had an island in the kitchen. It was simply amazing. Not what I want, but clearly the owners were pleased as punch with the comfort and room. It appears to be the Cadillac of the campers - top of the line - and with a price to match. I'm glad to see TCs span such a wide range of interests, costs and tastes.
Dave Pete, I looked through your album. It looks like great stuff. You might consider posting pix directly on the Forum for several reasons. First, the reader has to find the link to your site. I see that you put a link in the last post, but it may not happen all the time. Second, the images are not described in the album. I didn't look real carefully, but I wasn't sure which of the campers was which.
Many of us have used a narrative style where the pictures are part of the post with full descriptions. Also, a poster mentioned a method for keeping the posts coherent. The Avion TC thread is hundreds of pages, and somewhat difficult to search. Luckily we have posters who know much of the thread and can give out page numbers. Thats a great thing, but not to be relied upon.
I wish I had a better answer, but I don't with the given mechanics of this site. We need searchable strings. If you put "black water tank avion" into the search box, it returns nothing. But we have discussed that a dozen times - at least. So that is where we are.
I can assure you that good photos, clear text and exciting restorations generate a lot of interest. Its partly because the vintage RVs carry a certain nostalgia for an America that is slowly fading in the past, and its also because people are interested in something that is "authentic" and unique.
Best of luck.
Another STAR is born! Congratulations on your choice of a vintage TC. And kudos on your careful assessment of the process of restoration. The one element that matters above all is determined patience. Thats sort of like Resto/Mod. Take a look at our string on Avion restorations (rebuilds) and you may find similar issues and innovative solutions.
And I'll put in another plug for a vintage TC rally somewhere in the US. We're getting close to having a quorum.
I really like the vintage TCs.
That window looks fantastic!
I would love a tour of the finished product. I toured 67Avion's TC and admired the work he did to that vintage TC.
We really enjoyed meeting you as well. I think it is terrific that these vintage campers are being restored...not just being repaired. Looking at the space age front window of the Amerigo, one can get a glimpse of an America that was fresh and ready for the future. Great work.
I keep suggesting that we have a vintage truck camper rally somewhere. Maybe I'll get one started.
What a great write up...and such a great facility for equestrians. I, too, love the meals. But, I've had to cut out carbs and sugar. We do Salmon, but my specialty is Indian curries, along with Paneer Saag, and Dal Makhani. Our Indian food smells mix into the bar-b-que and charcoal cookery of the campsite producing a mouthwatering aroma.
You do good work. Look forward to your next report.
From the pictures it looks really clean. With a lot of work and $10,000 you could have a camper that is like new.
I think that is exactly right. It's in the neighborhood of $10K to $15K, with a lot of elbow grease, and you have a stunning camper. One, incidentally, that may last another 50 years.
Hi Rick. Sorry to have upset you, but the point was NOT that I didn't like the thread. But that it might be undermining the rest of the Forum. I hope you read all of the remarks so that you understand the issue. Ultimately it's up to our community to make sense of the directions we take, along with the owners and sponsors of RV.net. I don't know them or have any relationship to them. But most emphatically I do not call into question anyone's motivation.
Thanks for everyone's responses. I think its time that I step away from this issue. Remember, I have nothing but respect and good wishes for the posters on this thread. My purpose was to raise questions about the viability of the overall Forum. I'm sure we'll revisit this and other ideas in the future.
I view this as the daily how ya doing, I'm up to this right now. the tc version of a twitter feed.
I think that is a very interesting idea. However Twitter is a passive messaging system. In other words its a "feed" that the recipient reads after someone Tweets it or reTweets it. 140 characters max.
Clearly, that is not what is happening here. This is an active posting system where people ask questions and others weigh in with their experience (or their opinions). If the posts are hidden, without an active presence on the front page of the Forum, then its difficult for the system to work.
In the case of Buzzcuts posts, which I have followed for years, he always has an interesting take on camping and the specific kinds of ways that it facilitates his interests. As I recall many of Buzzcut's posts have dealt with horse shows. What if they were buried inside of "What did you do today?"
Perhaps a Twitter feed is what this Forum needs. But, I don't think that this string really resembles that.
Appreciate your response and Kerry.Its true some topics don't warrant an entire thread, but one can't always be sure which ones do and which ones don't. Thus open posting with interesting headlines will pull in lurkers and others who happen to have a passing interest. At least that's my observation.
A thread of this type is extremely hard to navigate. That is my experience on the Avion thread. We actually have guys who are cataloguing the pages so that newbies can access the material we have gone over. I don't think that sort of things happens very often with generalized material.
Here's the thing, though. As I stated before this is an enormous string that a lot of people have found interesting. Others have suggested that it takes away interesting posts that might otherwise be read. I understand that we all want to maximize the access to the Forum and enlarge the truck camping experience...so thats what I'm thinking about.
As to whether nicer weather is lessening the postings, don't know. There has also been bad weather and low postings.
Gotta go. Its beautiful outside!
Folks, I want to start a discussion. Respectfully.
As I write there have been only about a dozen posts to the Truck Camper Forum in the last day. That is a very low number, almost at the breaking point. At least, that is my opinion. This is perplexing when its clear that the truck camping community is growing by leaps and bounds. The baby boomers are retiring and making choices about their leisure time.
I started a thread that was specific to Avion Truck Campers. It has gone ballistic, with thousands of comments and page views. It is now the best resource anywhere for that SPECIFIC camper. I note that Amerigo has a long string as well.
Here's the point: I think that the traffic to the site, and the enjoyment of the Forum, is to see the interesting posts coming up every day. This string is almost buried with all sorts of unique and interesting material that is largely unaccessible. However, it is undeniable that this string is valuable. After all, look at the huge number of posts and views.
I don't really know the answer, but I suspect that sometimes a generalized thread such as this, can suck a great deal of the energy out of the general Forum. In other words there is a place for a specific interests such as the Avion and the Amerigo, but maybe not for an internal and generalized discussion.
I deeply emphasize that this is a respectful opinion, only meant to elicit some thoughtful discussion......if you like I will start another thread to discuss this, but I am interested in your opinions. Especially Mello Mike who does such wonderful work with his write ups.
What do you think?
We run our brake lights and clearance lights out of the OEM connection on the rear of the truck.
The larger question deals with the rest of the wiring. If the outlets are already in place then create a connection to the wiring harnesss inside the truck. Be sure that you have an ample fuse box for the present and future upgrades, as well as an inverter for shore power.(ask Garry his solution to the fuse box/inverter) If you are going to use house batteries, then they have to be wired in as well. Finally, you can use your truck generator to charge the house batteries, but the wiring should include a shut off that will not drain the truck battery.And finally, finally, if you plan to use solar for dry camping, that also has to be wired into the system.
Morning Wyoming. Looks like you may be off to an adventure. I can see that you have a good attitude. That is something you need to maintain cause TCs are NOT tent camping. They are complex, self contained machines that function like a house on wheels - or more specifically - like a boat. The hardest part of restoring an old camper is just not getting overwhelmed by the project and setting it aside. then, years later, selling it.
So, mark this down for what its worth: stay determined but have fun. Its more important that you go and enjoy the possibilities of the TC than have the dents fixed. Your first responsibility is to make sure its safe. After that, its your business.
No, you cannot mix black water and grey water in the camper under EPA standards. If I'm wrong about that then I'm sure one of our posters will correct me. However, you can mix them on discharge???? Most TC water systems have a means by which the black water is released first, then the grey water is released to clear the hoses. The system we devised for the Avion separated the two discharges. So, I have to clear the black water system with a hose or other similar means.
The toilet is connected to the main water system and clears the stool when you depress the release with a stream of water. You place chemicals in the system in order to minimize odor and maintain good microdial health.
Too much about toilets? Maybe. But the subject comes up a lot. There are other solutions that are perhaps better for you.
I see that one of the most knowledgable posters on this thread, 69avion, has already written. You will find several other experts - especially Ticki2 who loves in New Hampshire I believe. Garry is a hands on kind of guy, who puts camping with his family first...
Most folks start out as novices on these campers. They see the beauty of the old aluminum machines and fantasize about hitting the road. We're happy to help.
Now, about that Avion gathering in the wilds of Wyoming.......
The Goat looks pretty good. You'll soon find out where the issues are located. Typically the first problem is moisture caused delamination and rot. While it is not immediately apparent that the shell is leaking...trust me when I say that it is. The outer shell of aluminum is fastened on ribs that run E/W across the coach. The inner shell which is fiberglass in the nose and the back is coated with an insulating material...leaving an airspace between the two. The riveted fasteners along with the aluminum screws are places where water may enter and then run the length of the coach before finding an outlet. Typically it is the wings that are rotted in places - especially around the tie down braces.
The dents in the plates on the right rear and right front may be a leak issue. If you want to repair them you may have to go through Cayo in Michigan. I had to replace some in front and they provided the bent metal. I think someone said, however, that they were using different aluminum that may not match exactly.
I advise you as the first order of business to check very carefully for any rot. Look under the "tub" (the center of the coach, not the bathroom) floor, push and pull any thing that is fastened such as the tie downs or the stairs (the very back of the tub is another vulnerable spot). Check the bathroom and especially how the blackwater tank and toilet are fastened.
I note that you are missing the "bustle" on the underside of the rear of the coach. That is where the black water tank is located. You do not have a grey water tank, though that is now required. When I see the bustle missing, that usually means issues withe the toilet. The pink paint job is another indicator that you may have to remove and repair the toilet. Ask Garry.
If you have electrical skills, which I do not, take your tester everywhere and check for shorts. We have the electrical wiring harness available as well as brochures for all of your appliances. Finally check the water system. You will find that it was a pressure actuated system initially. If its been changed by the PO, then make sure that the water is being handled properly. You will need to clean it thoroughly for potability.
I would take a very good look at the aftermarket electrical lifts at the four corners of the coach. Unless they were attached with maniacal skill, they could cause a big bump in the night. Meanwhile brace the underside of the camper while walking inside.
Finally, there are folks on this thread who know far more than I do, and who write more clearly, that will take time to guide you through any of the issues you find. We want the Avions to stay on the road - but we know how discouraging it can be when you address seemingly intractable problems.
Stick with it. Its the only TC that will still be around 50 years from now.
Keep on truckin'
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