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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
There is no replacement for displacement is what I've seen posted here numerous times. It will be interesting to see if they'll have any comments on this.
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DSteiner51
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06/13/13 06:03pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Why don't 5th wheel mfgrs place more heavy items in rear?
The higher the percentage of weight up to 50% the better. 10% travel trailers often use anti sway devices, 20% 5th wheels/goosenecks don't. Neither do 50% semi trucks. Ideally 50% would be the ticket but most people don't own trucks big enough for 50%. 20 - 25% is a compromise that works quite well.
Going back to the OP, the farther aft of the pivot point, (axles) the weight is the better pendulum it becomes. A good reason to put the junk department between the truck and trailer axles.
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DSteiner51
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06/11/13 09:41am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Why don't 5th wheel mfgrs place more heavy items in rear?
Wow are we confused. Why does a locomotive pull the train and not push it? The weight holds the train on the tracks.
The locomotive pulls the train because the cars are not strong enough in compression. They would crush the rear cars.
Trains have absolutely nothing to do with pulling 5th wheels. The locomotive carries no weight from anything it pulls and is planted on rails.
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DSteiner51
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06/11/13 09:32am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Why don't 5th wheel mfgrs place more heavy items in rear?
If one uses a sufficient TV, pin weight doesn't matter.
Jim
Ding Ding Ding and we have a winner:)
Ding Ding Ding, we have two losers!!
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DSteiner51
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06/11/13 09:28am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Why don't 5th wheel mfgrs place more heavy items in rear?
The placement of the items inside has very little to do with the pin weight. It is where the balance point versus the axle placement that effects it most. If you have a problem with understanding that, let me give you an example. Lets say the given 5th wheel has a total weight of 10K and the pin weight is 2K (20% of total weight). Now add 1K to the rear of the unit. Does that mean the pin weight is now 1K? Since you added it behind the axle (which is not the balance point). No. The total weight is 11K (10 + 1) and the pin weight is now 20% x 11K or 2200 lbs. Sorry, just the nature of the design.
An engineer will be along shortly to point out the inaccuracies in the above post. :)
Some pretty fuzzy math in there, sorry Jack, if placed at the rear of the unit it will lighten the pin, no not by 1,000#, but unless the wheels are at the rear of the five by a good percentage of the 1,000#.
You are very kind... it isn't fuzzy math, it is just flat WRONG!
I designed numerous trailers and depending on what it was being used for determined where the axles were placed. My rear kitchen has no more or less percentage then any other 5th wheel/gooseneck. Food in the fridge and pantry doesn't add up to much therefore makes little difference on pin weight. My fresh water is over the axles and black/gray tanks just ahead of the axles. Depending on just how long the wheelbase of the trailer is the junk in the front storage compartment would make a difference of approx 1/2 the weight of the junk.
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DSteiner51
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06/11/13 07:38am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Why don't 5th wheel mfgrs place more heavy items in rear?
Get a rear kitchen model....
Ron W.
Has absolutely nothing to do with pin weight. Mine is rear kitchen. The engineers moving the position of the axles can and does make a big difference.
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DSteiner51
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06/11/13 05:48am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Timbren rear spring boosters
8years and counting. No maintenance and they work. Put them on and forget about them.
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DSteiner51
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06/05/13 05:38pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: if you got the time
we will be @ paradice springs CG in PA on fathers day weekend if anyone wants to come out and join us!!!!
I don't have a clue where this is and neither does Google.
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DSteiner51
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06/04/13 08:41am |
Rallies, Shows and Gatherings
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RE: How much HP & torque do I need ?
I don't believe the manufacturer's claims !
If you don't believe the manufacturer, you are going to believe those who have no clue? If you know better then the manufacturer why are you asking since you already KNOW?
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DSteiner51
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05/21/13 07:33pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: OHIO RALLY GROUP 2013 SCHEDULE
Great weekend camping.
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DSteiner51
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05/20/13 11:40am |
Rallies, Shows and Gatherings
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RE: Parking on Concrete
I always park my 5th wheel on a concrete pad outside and uncovered when not traveling. The first set were factory installed Aug of '98 and replaced June of '10 with approx 40+ miles. Current set have approx 6000 miles. Never a flat yet.
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DSteiner51
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05/19/13 11:05am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: OHIO RALLY GROUP 2013 SCHEDULE
Just a quick heads up.... The breeze in the shade is perfect. The birds are singing, the fish are feeding. Just sayin'...
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DSteiner51
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05/17/13 03:02pm |
Rallies, Shows and Gatherings
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RE: EcoBoost problems on the Horizon...:?
You got to know, when you ask a little engine to do what they are asking there are going to be major problems. just follow the # 1 rule; There is no substitute for cubic inches. Remember when you daddy and your brother told you that? It still stands today, even with todays modern technology.
Pure BS. Diesels now use turbo's instead of large displacements too.
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DSteiner51
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05/15/13 08:36pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: confusion over weight I can tow
I want to up grade from a TAG pull behind to a 5th wheeler and I am getting different weights that I can tow safely. I have called Ford dealers, RV dealers and even the Ford Motor co and all tel me I can pull anywhere from 8000 lbs (I know this can't be right), 10,000 lbs to 12,000 lbs to 13,400lbs. I have a 2002 Ford Diesel crew cab w/70,000 miles,7.3L engine and a 3.73 rear end ratio. The Ford people told me the truck came with a standard trailer towing package. I am finding too many folks seem to throw caution to the wind and tell me "man you can pull anything with that truck" I know that's, BS. I want to buy something that I can pull on the flats and hills in Alabama but also pull in the mountains in Tennessee. Advice is appreciated.
Appears he already has the answers as he has already called the manufacturer and KNOWS best.
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DSteiner51
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05/08/13 03:02am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: RV Crash Safety & Illusions of Safety
If you are going to be so paranoid forget Rving. Walk, don't ride in any vehicle. Never get out of bed. Better yet, sleep in a coffin in a concrete vault under ground, the safest place to be. You will never have to worry about getting out of bed and fall and hit your head. You will never have to worry about a vehicle, rock, tree crashing thru your home, the water being poisoned, lightning strikes, tornado, being mugged, dirty air, etc.
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DSteiner51
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05/08/13 02:55am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Sauder Village Ohio Rally Spring on the Farm May 10-12,2013
For over three weeks I had no definite plans of my own except Friday May 3rd and no flights. Suddenly on the evening of May 2nd I get a desperate call for a trip also on May 3rd.
I booked Thurs, Fri, Sat, and Sun for Sauder Village and no one had any flights scheduled, until last nite someone now wants to do an overniter Thurs morn into Friday afternoon after this company has had nothing for over three months and nothing scheduled for the next three months. Told them I could only do a one day on Thursday or I have the first three days of this week and all the following week if they wanted an overniter. Oh how I love being on call 24/7/365....NOT!!!
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DSteiner51
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05/05/13 03:44am |
Rallies, Shows and Gatherings
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RE: Move it on over....
Funny how class eight tractors pull 10 - 20k lbs and more over weight loads every day, thousands of times a day. A couple years ago I had one local log hauler tell me if he didn't gross at least 100k each load he wasn't making any money. No explosions, no one killed, no accidents but try a 100lb overload on a pickup and every one within a mile of it will die! Lawsuits, funerals, and more lawsuits.
After market tag axles are very common on class 8 but if someone ever mounted a hitch helper to a pickup.... look out!
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DSteiner51
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05/05/13 03:23am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Sauder Village Ohio Rally Spring on the Farm May 10-12,2013
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DSteiner51
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04/30/13 08:44am |
Rallies, Shows and Gatherings
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RE: Half ton towing
You know what we have been towing a f'ver with an f150 for better than 8 years it is a 27 ft living space. If you notice my tow vechile and fiver are not in my signature and yes this is my second time around on this forum.. Granted it is just my wife and myself and about the only thing extra in the truck is a jacket and a drink we pack everything in the f'ver. I also feel we are at the limit but under the Ford tow specs considerably. The only mods that were on the last F150 was a set of timbrens. So far no mods on this F150. Both vechiles had the max tow haul package which included the 3.73 rearend. Also out of the 20,000 miles per year 2,000 were towing and this vechile is my daily driver and used as a family vechile both were, are extended cabs, the wife has a Dodge Challenger. The grandkids don't fit well in a 2 door. I have always enjoyed this forum but if flamed again repaetedly will drift away again. If anyone is truly interested in our experience please pm me. I will not be back to this thread to try to defend myself.
I've been towing goosenecks for 35 years. The last 16 years with a Ford Ranger. My 5th wheel camper the last 12 years including a trip out west to play in the mountains.
I quickly found out the moderators had an agend as those who condemned me got away with murder while my posts were deleted when I returned the same language to the condemners. I have little but contempt for a couple moderators here and read for entertainment purposes only.
Since the enjoyable trip out west thru passes as high as 8000+ ft I don't care what the "experts" say. I now double tow with a small trailer and my 600+ lb bike and it goes well. I like it better then the old days with Detroit 238s or Cummins 250 powered semis. Pulls better, stops better. I even like it better then my one ton days, with turbo diesel power.
Don't let the ignorance of others destroy your fun.
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DSteiner51
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04/27/13 06:50am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: F150 EB vs 5.0 towing
Kevin, apparently no one has filled you in on RV.net. The less one knows about a subject the more expert one is. You sir, apparently own or have towed with one so you don't know squat. Mike never has so he is much more qualified to give the facts then you are.
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DSteiner51
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04/25/13 05:29pm |
Tow Vehicles
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