Don't know about the others on your list but I took a loss and traded my 3 month old Thor ACE 27.1 for a Winnebago Vista. I wasn't happy about loosing money but I was happy to see the ACE go. I guess that gives you an idea of what I think of Thor's quality. With the ACE I had multiple water leaks, trim pulling off the body, one pocket door pulled off the rollers and jammed blocking the bedroom, and those are just the high points. The handeling was horible; wandered all over the road, bounced around, rattles, jolts, and this was even after an alignment, CHF (cheap handeling fix), tire pressure adjustment, and four corner weighing and load adjustment. If you are go through an ACE just for fun try out the throne. Unless you're over 6 feet, your toes will barely touch the floor. P.S. I love the Winnebago. Absolutely no problems right off the lot. It handles well with no adjustments or modifications, great fit and finish, lots of storage, and great floor plan.
I bought a 27N last July. I've put about 5,000 miles on it and love it. I like the large amount of kitchen counter space, the good size shower, the full curb side slide which opens it up to a lot free space. Have not had a problem keeping cool with one ac, even in California's hot central valley in the summer. It has a huge amount of closet and storage space. I have only had a couple of minor problems to be fixed under warranty. I did upgrade the vent fans in the living room and bedroom to remote controlled, 14 speed with rain sensors. I really can't think of any more "bells and whistles" to add.
My ex-husband's doctor said if there is no medical reason (blood clot, lack of minerals, etc.) drink a small glass of tonic water in the evening (gin optional). The quinine in it may stop leg cramps. It did work for my ex.
I traded my 3 month old poor handeling, water leaking, cheaply made Thor ACE in on a Winnebago Vista. That ACE probably looks good to a buyer looking for a very low milage almost new coach. The problems won't show up until after a trip in the rain with it fully loaded for travel. Like bluwtr49 said, beware of an almost new coach on a dealer's lot.
I moved up from a travel trailer towed by a Ford Explorer to a class A this year. First to a Thor ACE 27.1, which turned out to be a poor handling, poor quality dog. After three months I traded it in on a Winnebago Vista 27N. I absolutely love the 27N; drives well, good quality, great storage, haven't found anything I don't like about it. For me and the cat it's a good size, but I think it could be too tight for a couple full-timing.
Back to your question about getting used to driving a "huge" class A. I am a 68 year ol'e lady and never drove anything this big before. It took me about 200 miles to get confident about staying centered in my lane - check both mirrors continously. As far as cornering, even with my CR-V in tow, it is easier than towing a travel trailer. Just have to be aware that the tail swings wide. It could hit something if you turn out too quickly from the curb or gas pump. Now that I have driven it about 3500 miles, I love it. I like the visibility from the big panoramic windows and like sitting high.
I buy my prescription for acid reflux from Canada Drugs I chose them because they list the country of manufacturer for the medicines they sell. (My insurance copay was $110 for 90 days supply - no generic equavilant in the US. The generic equavilent, made in Canada, from Canada Drugs is $60 US for 100 tablets.)
I used to have one of the 20" wheel folders from Camping World. The steering with the small wheels was a challenge. I now have a Dahone with 24" wheels and 8 speed internal (in the hub) gears. One of the Dahon partners broke off and started "Tern." From what I have seen they make nice bikes.
I was camping in Yosemite. Had a reservation to Oct 8. Was told to vacate by 3 pm on Oct 3. In my opinion the way the closure was handled was mean spirited, petty and done to cause maximum inconvenince. On Oct 1 the Park Service put sandwich board signs saying "no parking" and cones in all the turn outs and parking areas people use to look at the sights. I guess you were suposed to use blinders and not look at the cliffs or waterfalls. My neighoring camper went to go fishing on Oct 2 and was stopped by a Ranger saying the river was closed. I was riding my bike on a bike trail and was told by a ranger all the bike trails were closed and I had to get off and walk the bike back to my campsight. I told him no way was I walking 4 miles back to the campground and rode off down the highway. He didn't say anything or try to stop me. The volunteer work campers were told to stop all activites and not answer any questions. I guess the government has forgotten the parks belong to the people.
1. Drive CRV close to back of motorhome
2. Lower towbar from stow bracket
3. Extend towbar arm; discover car is not close enough
4. Swear a little
5. Drive car closer
6. Hook one tow bar arm to car bracket
7. Try to hook up other arm
8. Discover car is angled and too close to hook second arm
9. Swear a lot
10. Unhook first arm
11. Back car away, drive forward centering car
12. Repeat step 3, 4, 5, 6
13. Hook second arm
14. Attach safety cables
15. Plug in lights
16. Go through CRV shifting and idling sequence
17. Drive motorhome forward
18. Stop and check that tow bars have snapped into position
19. Hook up brake cable (Ready Brake System)
20. Check that all lights function
I've had a problem with T-Mobile's coverage in the Pacific Northwest. It seems to be good in the cities and close to the highways. I have found no coverage along the east side of the Olympic Peninsula, near Mount St. Helens and Mt Rainer, and in the hills and mountains east of I-5 in Oregon. I have a T-Mobile basic phone and pay-as-you-go plan. I had to get a prepaid Verizon plan and basic phone for traveling. I have placed both phones side by side and frequently see four bars for Verizon, “no service” for T-Mobile.
I’m unfamiliar with the Fleetwood but I owned a Thor ACE 27.1 for 3 months. Took a loss and traded it in on a Winnebago Vista 27N. Not happy about loosing the money but very glad to be rid of the ACE. I guess that gives you an idea of what I think of its quality
The Winnebago has much more storage, larger closets, and more kitchen cabinets and drawers sized to be fully useful. The Winnebago tracks quietly down the road; no wandering and wallowing side to side, or jarring bounces over bumps. There is no comparison between the quality. With the ACE I had multiple water leaks, trim pulling off the body, one pocket door pulled off the rollers and jammed blocking the bedroom, and those are just the high points. If you are go through an ACE just for fun try out the throne. Unless you're over 6 feet, your toes will barely touch the floor.
According to the specs on Thor’s website and owners’ manual the ACE has a “Crown Roof w/ Exterior TPO Membrane”. The Winnebago and Itasca have fiberglass.
I was looking for an under 30’ MH and wound up with a Winnebago Vista 27N. I bought a Thor ACE 27.1 in March. A few trips showed me I could not live with the water leaks, poor quality fit and finish, and the very poor handling (even after an alignment and the “Cheap Handling Fix.) And those are only a few of the problems.
I took the loss and traded it for the 27N. The Winne has so much better quality, more storage, more counter space, a real double sink (rather than one round sink), better handling, a level floor so the cockpit chairs really become part of the living area, and a throne you can sit on without your feet dangling in mid air. It was more expensive than the ACE but to me it is worth every penny.
I have a problem with my order for two white Fan-Tanstic 6600 Upgrade Kits. I received one 6600 white upgrade kit. The box had been opened and re-taped. It contained loose parts (lift arm?, remote with batteries installed, package of two batteries), no parts list, instructions that don't mention how to install the rain sensor, and a blank warranty card dated Aug 23, 2007.
Instead of a second 6600 kit I received an off-white 5000 RBT upgrade kit. Seems like it would be hard to make a mistake like that; the boxes are even different sizes.
I phoned customer service and was told a return label would be mailed to me and when Camping World received them they would ship new ones. If I wanted them sooner, I would be charged for two more kits and credited when the wrong ones were received back.
I wanted to install these right away. Based on the time it took to get this it looks like about a month before I might get the right ones.
It seems to me the replacements should be sent immediately without charge. It was Camping world’s error, not mine. Camping World has my name address and credit card information. If they don’t get the returns in a timely manner, they could charge me then.
I took a loss and traded my 3 month old Thor ACE for a Winnebago Vista. I wasn't happy about loosing money but I was happy to see the ACE go. I guess that gives you an idea of what I think of Thor's quality
As a former California landlord, this is my opinion. You supplied the AC and changed them extra for the electricity to run it. That gives them the right to use it whenever they wish. Your options are, for the next tenant (or lease period), charge a fixed amount higher than $75 for electricity, put in a separate meter for the rental unit, or remove the window AC and stipulate in the lease no portable AC’s are allowed. If I were a tenant there is no way I would pay half of your utility bill unless you gave me the right to monitor your usage and deduct the value of what I deemed was your excessive use. I know laws are different in different states, but in California rate averaging or splitting is not allowed. The landlord has to include utilities in the rent (resulting in higher rent of course) or install meters. In my properties I always had separate meters for gas and electricity and included water, garbage pickup and landscape maintenance in the rent. Hopefully, since it was already paid for, they would water the yards and take out the trash.
I agree 100% with Dave54. I use RoadID interactive. It is not just for cyclists or athletes. Whenever I am out of the house without my wallet I wear either the wrist id slim band or ankle id band. My identification, medical, insurance and contact information is available worldwide by telephone or website. The information is secure as it can only be retrieved by using the serial number and pin number on the reverse of the metal bar attached to the band.
I owned a Thor ACE 27.1 for 3 months. Took a loss and traded it in on a Winnebago Vista 27N. Not happy about loosing the money but very glad to be rid of the ACE. The ACE has very poor handeling, wanders all over the road, the fit and finish is poor, lots of rattles and bangs. Check some of the other threads about ACE handeling. I had multiple water leaks, trim pulling off, one pocket door pulled off the rollers and jamed blocking the bedroom, and those are just the hight points. When you are going through an ACE just for fun try out the throne. Unless you're over 6 feet, your toes will barely touch the floor.
I went to Camping World in Burlington, WA to see a 2008 Winnebago Sightseer advertized for sale. I am a serious buyer, I had my checkbook ready. The unit was dirty and stained on the outside. Inside there were coffee stains on the dash and around the cupholders, the carpets were filthy, and the counter top sticky. There was an old bath rug in the shower, the toilet had dried out antifreeze and who knows what else crusted in the dry bowl. I told the salesman I couldn't believe they would show something in this condition. He said it was a consignment unit and they just got it in; hadn't had time to go over it yet. (I first saw the ad 5 days earlier.) I left without buying. I think the contition is a good indication of how it has been maintained. To the Camping World Team, Why don't you clean up something before putting it on display and asking top dollar?
I just bought a new Thor Ace 27.1. Your description of the handling sounds just like mine. Following Thor’s recommendations in the Owners Manual, I adjusted the tire pressure to the loaded weight and had the alignment checked; it was fine. I had the "cheap handling fix" (CHF) done. That improved the handling slightly. The suspension and alignment shop owner said he had the same Thor chassis under his similarly sized motorhome with the same initial handling. He recommended air bags; said most of the wandering and bobbing around was due to soft suspension and the "tail wagging the dog" syndrome. He didn’t think anything else like the more expensive track bars or steering stabilizers would add anything over what the air bags would do. I drove his motorhome. The difference was amazing. I’m having air bags installed next week. I love the ACE floor plan and features but it is really disgusting that Thor shoves them out the door with such poor suspension and handeling.