If it were me and payload were a real issue I'd look at a V-10. I could be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that with the weight of the 6.0 L PSD on board that the effective payload of the Excursion dropped quite a bit making it not as appealing vs. the Expy for payload. Again I may be way off base here - perhaps an Excursion owner will chime in.
The tongue weight limitation is what it is. I looked at this a few years back with our previous Expy with an 895 lb. limit and I never could get to the bottom of it. If it's a "hitch specific" limitation you're SOL because the Expy. hitch is integrated i.e. can't be upgraded to a beefier aftermarket hitch. If it a fuction of suspension (which IMHO it is) then again, you can't really increase the set limitations.
Here's what I found with my last Expy ('03). Our tongue weight limitation (895 lbs.), when my Expy was loaded with our avg. family of 4 + the hound at 60 lbs., our 850 lbs. of "actual" tongue weight scaled at 4135 lbs. of weight on the rear axle i.e. 35 lbs over the RAWR. Basically it made me wonder if Ford placed that TW limit to help keep an owner under the 4100 lbs. of RAWR.
I am towing a 31 footer weighing over 8,000lbs with a 2007 Expedition El 4x4. I have zero trouble with that trailer with a finely set up Equalizer hitch. Sure I am "overweight" of what ford recommends...but it is very comfortable tow and handles it just fine.
Wow......that's great advice :R .
OP, Skid809 has solved the whole issue, as long as you're comfortable that's all that counts. Don't worry about those silly things that Ford gives you like tow ratings, tongue weight limits, RAWR and GVWR, just git-er-done......yeeeeeeee-hawwww.
What are your thoughts of the F-150 with the Tow Package on them? Good trucks? Would this be OK with what I would like to tow?
Sure they're good trucks, but still will suffer from the same issue the Expy does....HD tow does nothing to help your PAYLOAD and PAYLOAD or the lack of it is what's going to cause you the most issue.
A 3/4 ton or HD payload equipped 1/2 ton is where you should be looking. And air bags do exactly SFA to increase ratings. All they do is make an overloaded axle ride level - but you're just masking the problem.
PUCampin is throwin you some sound advice LJ as are others. I'm on my second Expy my first being an '03 now in an '06. I have a fair bit of experience with them. My first set up was a 33' Spree with a 7000 lb. GVWR, we scaled routinely 6800 lbs. ready to camp.
Bottom line in my opinion - toss the tow rating out the window, you'll never get near it. Reality is a loaded 7000 lb. trailer will put down enough tongue weight on average that when you add the weight of your family will put you AT if not OVER your payload and/or RAWR.
Also my experience was at 33', the Expy had it's hands full with it's 119" wheel base and squishy P metric tires and softer sprung IRS. And don't be too dazzled with the F-150s either, as others have pointed out, unless you can find a used one or order a new one with the HD payload package it's payload numbers on average are no better - just longer wheel base by about 2'-0".
My current Spree scales at around 6000 lbs. and 28' long. With a properly set up Equal-i-zer hitch and LT tires I have found the combination to be quite nice.
Standing advice......ignore tow ratings, watch PAYLOAD, GVWR and RAWR - that's where you'll end up in trouble waaaaay before hitting the tow rating. Most dumb@ss sales reps at auto dealers will look at you and just keep repeating the tow rating because they know no better, but you do.
But the weight is well within the limits of the trucks towing capacity as told to me by the RV dealer and the Auto dealership.
If I told you I had some nice ocean front property to sell you in Kansas, would you be interested :B
Keep doing your homework. Take the auto and RV dealership's advice and toss it out the window. The RV boards are littered with poor folks who took the advice of these so called "experts" only to be on the RV boards looking for advice on how to fix a bad TV/trailer combo.
You should be able to keep things within your limits but IMHO you'll be unimpressed with the Dakota pulling a full height TT of that weight.
NO, you do not need an HA/PR hitch or other "premium" hitch! I've pulled my old TT with the old style DC setup, WD bars only, and nothing. Is there a difference? yes, enough when properly setup to say oh boy! maybe......What I noticed is the side to side rock of the trailer was reduced from nothing, to a WD to the DC setup. Not sure a premium hitch would solve ALL of this issue.
Spoken like someone that has never owned or towed with an Arrow or ProPride.
My previous Expedition and 33' 6800 lb. Spree went from marginal with a properly setup and adjusted EQ to fantastic with an Arrow.....2 years and thousands of miles. The difference in my case was significant - and that's speaking from person experience with both hitches.
Sooooo Collin. Good luck with your truck. You are RIGHT to blame FORD. I don't need to see your records or lack of them, I don't need to talk to service personnel, I don't need you to do rain dance. You're story on it's own has convinced me. Ford sold you a junker and now is turning their back on you the customer.....shame shame Ford.
PM me your VIN and authorize in writing the dealer service manager to have a chat with me and to review the information in their files AND to disclose them on this forum.
I highly doubt the information in the file will favor your case.
Why would anyone send you anything.....:h Who are you and what makes you think you are so relevant to make statements like this? PM me your doctor's name and authorization to speak with him/her, I think you need to change your meds :R.
I'm hopeful, if Ford is truly the reputable company they proclaim to be, with the average working Joe at heart, who has invested his/her hard earned bucks on the Blue Oval.....to truly be Ford Tough and America's best selling pickup....will be deserving of those titles and will make it right. Good luck, :B
FWIW I think the Ford (or any make for that matter) bashing ramps-up when "fan-boys" fail to acknowledge there is even a remote possibility that Ford, their products or dealerships could be at fault (even a teeny-weeny bit). When "fan-boys" go on and on blaming owners and never once point the finger back at the beloved blue oval, it's just a sets the stage for bashing.
Sorry, I believe in routine maintenance and using quility products......but I also beleive for $60000 you should get a HD/SD truck that can handle HD/SD treatment including some neglect. I also believe in this economy/market the makers should be bending over backwards to lure and retain customers...instead Ford seems to look for any "p@ss poor" excuse to redirect the fault to the owner and deny warranty.
Yes Ford did not except the bail-out $$$$, instead it seems they're taking it from their customers.
And for the record, I've onwed Fords (gas) and have had great service from them so I'm not a Ford hater.
I believe every word of the OP's story. After owning many Fords, still have a 65 Falcon convertible, and spending $50k on my new truck, Ford denied a $100 part under warranty. Clearly stated in the warranty that it was covered, it wasn't listed in their computer as a covered part, so no go. Calls to Customer Service were useless. They just call the dealer and then call you back with the same story. Goodbye Ford.
No, no, no falconman......you're not correct. Ford is wonderful. Here, sip on this cup of Blue Kool-aid.......good isn't it? Now just ignore that dizzy feeling, our colleague NewsW will be along shortly for your "retraining" so you'll see where and how you're to blame and Ford is completely blameless.....and then we'll see you on the other side brother once again a happy Ford customer. :B
Collin just ignore NewsW, he drinks "Blue Kool-Aid" all day long. He will never point a finger at Ford.....instead will blame the owner, wrong fuel, wrong filters, 1.37 miles past a required oil change, did the diesel tech. have pulp-free orange juice with breakfast, yada, yada, yada......but it can NEVER be a problem with Ford or their product or customer service.
NewsW - what ever happened to "Built Ford Tough"????? According to you, "Built Ford Tough" only applies if it's pampered like a new born. Make sure you feed it morning, noon and night.....talk nice to it, only give it warm mother's milk, read it stories before bed, polish it only with a cloth of pure silk. Look at Collin's pics NewsW, he's a working man, needs a truck up to the task. I'm sure he has other priorities in life other than cuddling his Ford all day to keep it running. For the price of a SD/HD pickup these days, it should be able to handle some neglect.
Dang, had a 1st gen. Hyudai Pony when I was student, floor had rotted out, body was coming apart, but manual choke and all the thing ran day after day for 3 years and it NEVER saw a mechanic. The odd top up of oil and washer fluid and fuel was all I could afford. $600 for the car got me 3 years of trouble free motoring........cheap fuel, cheap oil, OEM filters and all. Give your head a shake man.
Tell your story why you went from FORD to CUMMINS or GM ? No personal bashing, just personal opinions and facts that can be backed up. Or reasons why a 6.0 or 6.4 Ford owner should switch, opinions and facts no bashing!
Cummins12V98 - so the mods close this 6.0 L thread and you start this one? Do you really think this is going to move along as you say "opinions and facts no bashing" :R ? Some might say you're trolling?
As long as it's a Dodge Ram it will pull anything. If I were going to buy a half ton for the job it would be a 2010 or newer.
Completely untrue and not helpful for someone looking to spend under $10k on a 10+ year old TV.
Agree APT, and as a Dodge owner I will still say that's about as stupid a comment I've heard. Also not sure where you can get a 2010 1/2 ton for under 10k other than the wreckers.
He is recommending this one:
Tremendous horsepower, torque, lots of legroom, comfortable cabin, and cost peanuts to operate.
And carbon neutral, low emissions, completely recyclable.
And he probably drives one so there is personal experience to support the choice!
Where do you stick the draw bar????? Nevermind :E.
What year is the Pathfinder?
I already checked Ruler, it's the one year Nissan made the PF in such a way that Andy Thompson and CanAM RV could not work their magic on :B. Something to do with the misaligned Flux Capacitor and an undersized Johnson Rod :h.
Not that it matters, I think the OP is gone :?.
I feel your pain JT19.
mkirsch is right with a "BUT". There are plenty of used diesels out there from all the makers, with various mileage, options, price points etc......"BUT" you say your picky. Well so was I. I wanted '04 - '07 i.e. pre-emissions garb, well kept, lower mileage and $30k max. Well kept was the real challenge because most of them I found had been beaten like a rented mule by a landscaper or contractor.
A little tip if I may: if you find one that meets your criteria - GRAB IT. If it's that good, it won't last. It will likely be just a few hours before somebody comes behind you and scoops it up. Trust me, I can think of 3 (2 GMs and 1 Dodge) that disappeared within hours of me looking at it so I could think it over.
One of the GM dealers (where I missed a truck), the salesman took my name and number and what I was after and said he'd call me if anything came along....yeah right, heard that before. Well this guy did. Called me the day my Cummins Ram was traded in on a new GM dually. I went down to see it, it was still warm from being driven onto the lot and the plates had just been taken off, dirty and all I bought it pretty well on the spot (subject of course to safety etc...).....wasn't going to let a 4th slip through my fingers.
Yes proper hitch setup is critical for all off us........but it's not in lieu of an adequate tow vehcile. In many cases if the TV seems adequate for the job and someone is having towing issues, I always suggest the basics first.....i.e. loading, tire pressures, hitch setup, etc.....
But in this case I did not see the need to even entertain those items as they would just all be efforts to fix what can't be fixed which is not enough TV. In this case, it's pretty cut and dry IMO......