RE: I gave up looking for a new truck
I talked to my dealer. He said they don't advertise it, but their top-selling dealers (don't recall the techmical term) can lock it in. I'm sure my buying a new truck each year may help, but I doubt it is the reason. We'll see.
RE: I gave up looking for a new truck
Good work, Don. Maybe it has something to do with business transactions over personal ones. I'm sure buying a minimum of one new truck a year from the same dealer has given me some perks, but I can't say it has/will bend any Furd rules.
I just went through this with the owner of my dealership who I have been buying from for years, and that was one of the reasons he ordered me a new truck this week because he could lock in the current rebate and take a better rebate if available when the truck is delivered. I am certainly not saying you are wrong. You obviously did some homework. I'm gonna have to make a call tonight... I'd like to know how he does it. I'll let you know.
RE: I gave up looking for a new truck
As far as rebates go, you get whatever rebates are in place at the time of delivery and rebates usually run three months. Also there are regional rebates and national rebates.
So if you order a vehicle near the end of the rebate cycle on a vehicle that sales jumped most likely the rebates are going to drop and you will get what is in effect at the time you pick up the vehicle.
The way around this, is to have it written into the contract that if the rebates change the dealer will make up the difference or you can walk away from the ordered vehicle. BTW I have never put any money down on an ordered vehicle in my life and I have ordered 5 total.
Don
Totally incorrect based on my healthy experience. I trade yearly (many times within 8-10 months) and have NEVER been a victim of this. I currently have a 2010 F-150 Supercrew on order just because I figure the rebates by delivery will go up. The current rebate is locked in, but if rebates go up by delivery, I will get that (or those) rebates when signing. If rebates drop by then, I will still get the current rebate I have locked in. It's a win/win situation. If you have received anything else, you got !@#$%. Maybe you experience this with some other brand than the Blue Oval, but with the last 10 trucks, your painted scenario has never been the case. I'll admit, several were dealer locates, but a good portion have been ordered.
RE: towing with a f150
Heck, I'll bite.
I had a 2008 F-150 Supercrew with the 5.4L, 3.73 L/S, 6-1/2 foot box, 4X4, tweaked, custom tunes, MBRP dual exhaust, and AF1 intake (3-1/2"). It towed my late, late Jayco 26L with no issues, but it was a shock after being a diesel F-250 driver for 10 years. I learned what to expect, and actually didn't mind the tow. Then, we upgraded to our late 7,000# Heartland, and although the wide track axle setup was a towing dream, the advertised tongue weight over doubled when loaded. Our payload was maxed out by several hundred pounds by the time we left for the campground. The truck towed fine, but it took blocks over blocks to get on the on-ramp compared to the feet with the diesel I was used to. Still, very doable on the interstate in the Midwest, and I never dropped below 60mph with cruise on AND in overdrive. Ocassionally, I would lock out O/D before I hit a hill, but the payload sunk my ship... bad. I upgraded to an F-350 when I couldn't find an F-250... again, a smoker (6.4L). No contest there.
Now, we dumped the Heartland, and are in a small K-Z that fits our bill just fine. All of our long travels to campgrounds across the states are gone for several reasons, so we typically stay within 500 miles of home. A few 1,000 mile trips (one way) are probably in order, but we probably take 10-12 trips each summer within a 400 mile radius of home. I am now thinking or moving to a new 2010 F-150 Screw... again. I drive 50,000 miles a year, and certainly don't need the Super Duty. The diesel is great, but the turbo lag, ride, and fuel economy stink. I have weight and researched the payloads of the new 2010 Max Tow equipped F-150's to death. I may be within 100 pounds of the payload with a new F-150, but for the average of 45,000 miles of me driving empty with no load, I can't see the need for an F-350. Money really isn't the issue as I drive a company vehicle, but any place I can shave money off for my boss for the kind gestures he provides me, is some place I'll take a jump to. I am close to ordering a new F-150 shortly to consider while I think it over some more. The new Lariat Screws loaded push about 1570 in payload, where my 2008 only had 1280. ALready, I should be fine.
RE: Yes, Ford is worse than Ram(formally known as Dodge)
I think they are that way so that they are wasier to replace when they get ripped off. ;) The more duallys I see, the more damaged fenders I see. I see it coming... furdreplacementduallyfebders.com... and they'll all be pre-painted and ready for install. I'd prefer clear ones to see the cat that couldn't move fast enough. :B
RE: Cost of 2010 compliant diesels
Go to the Dieselstop. SOmeone there has seen the urea at about $2,85 a gallon... another $23 bucks when the 8 gallons runs out... about $0.003 per mile I guess.
RE: 2009 Motor Trend Truck of The Year
Actually the top selling truck is the GM Sierra/Silverado, they combined out sell Ford all the time. Dodge will claim the #1 spot when Ford releases their next disaster, and Obama drives GM into the dirt. CUMMINS RULES
That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.
On Edit:
You know, that after seeing all thirteen posts by Snowho2 that do nothing but fling dung and claim the almighty Dodge and Cummins to be the ultimate, I figured it is better to just drop it. Some just have to come here to beat their chest. Good luck with that.
RE: Sink Drain
I suspect it was installed wrong. Perhaps the gasket is on top instead of on the bottom. If you like the unit other than that, ask the seller to disassemble the drain in your presents to see if it can be corrected.
Isn't the gasket typically on the top? I thought you usually put putty under the chrome ring, so whouldn't the gasket go there? I also wonder if there is a depressed ring at the sink drain hole that is smaller than the drain cup used and it is preventing the cup from seating. It's not a deciding factor, just wondering.
Thanks for the replies.
Sink Drain
We were looking at a potential K-Z trailer recently and saw the drain cups in the kitchen sink were installed in such that they sat on top of the sink bowl, or better yet, their chrome flanges sats on top of the bottom of the bowl. There were no depressions in the sink to accept the thickness of the drain cup flanges to make the top of them flush with the invert of the bowk. This would prevent water from completely draining out of the sink - leaving about 1/8" of water across the base of the bowls.
Has anybody seen this before? How do you remedy without replacing the sink?
RE: Heartland Edge M22 price
I'd question the amount of difference you state. The M-22 should MSRP around 25-26k, and I thought the Mini was low 20's. Again MSRP to MSRP.
The Edge does have many advantages if you look at Heartlands website. View the video by Mike Creech on Heartlands site, too. It is very informative.
In all, we would have loved an Edge M-22, but are chosing a diffrent route. The M-22 trailer is extremely lightweight, and the European features throughout seem to be really nice. The paint option, although expensive, is certainly something that will make you stand out above the rest, although the appearance of the space-age Edge will do that alone.
I think the biggest differences you'll see are the weight, the 3-way refrigerator w/ blue LED lights, unique windows with 3-way shades/screens, unique gas stovetop, no oven, toy cable lock option, molded plastic-type lightweight countertops, maple cabinetry, tons of storage (I mean tons), LED exterior lights, fiberglass nose cone, and better fuel economy (according to Heartland).
The Edges are nice units. Find a dealer and look before you sign on something else.
RE: 2011 Ford Superduty
Like I said, I eat, breathe, and pass diesel. It's in my veins, and soot deposits are in my underwear. BUT, I really have no desire to get into the emissions junk set for the near future - especially with my towing needs. I can't imagine the new 6.2L gas being anywhere near what the current 6.8L V-10 is today, especially with the Torqshift behind it. I absolutely love the look of the 2011 Superduty, but after 125 miles this morning, my buns quiver at the soft feel of the ride of a nice F-150 again - especially if it's a King Ranch.
I'll keep watching these types of threads. My surrent 2008 F-350 6.4L has been perfect. Except for the wet weather white smoke being produced by the cold air cooler deal and the quantity of regenerations more than doubling all in the sudden, I love the truck. I it were equipped like I like them, I'd buy it outright from the boss and move to a Jetta diesel for work.
RE: Michelin AT tire noise?
I had 20" Michelin LTX/AT-2's on my 2008 F-150. They were really quiet and good in the rain, but less than stellar in the snow.
RE: 2011 Ford Superduty
Ford says "Your gonna see significantly better fuel economy than you have ever seen in the past" lol. That statement blows all credibility for that info-mercial.
I'll eat crow if they pull that off, but I dont think the big black birds have to worry about winding up on my plate.
I am a diehard diesel guy, but this emissions garbage has really got me looking to gas again. I am contemplating downsizing trailers, and think a Max Tow equipped Supercrew F-150 would be great - especially as a daily driver of 50k miles a year. After seeing the 2011 Superduty, I am really reserving a rush to an F-150 because I hope the 6.2L gas will be competetive with the F-150 5.4L mileage - then it's a no-brainer. BUT... the Blue promised better fuel economy out of their 6.0L's and their 6.4L's before they hit the street, and they both have yet to beat my past tweaked 7.3L's.
RE: North Trail by Heartland
Although we’ve have expressed our share of issues with our trailer, we just thought we’d shed a bit of light on this thread with the latest …
RV Capital did make an offer to have a courier pick-up our trailer. You will recall they are the service center Heartland recommended after an exhaustive run of shop-time for our trailer at our local purchasing dealer. We decided to pass on the return of our trailer until after Labor Day because we had missed enough camping this 2009 season that we wanted to enjoy a little time before the camping season was drawn to a close.
This morning, we returned a phone call to the owner of RV Capital. The owner expressed his interest in coming to our home to pick up our trailer, but this time, he offered to come himself to look at our trailer with us. He continued with his intent of meeting with the head of Heartland’s warranty department if the trailer was returned to Elkhart to physically review each and every item. Working together, he felt everything could be resolved between RV Capital and Heartland.
Through our conversation, we do believe that the owner of RV Capital does have the greatest intention of completely repairing our trailer if given the opportunity. There has been no denial by the owner that his shop did create us additional grief, but only a genuine interest in resolving the issues. We appreciate the owner of RV Capital getting directly involved and seeing to our interests.
As for Heartland, the contacts we have made in their warranty department have always done their best to try to make things happen. They, too, have seemed to be interested in resolving our issues. With the last problem, Heartland jumped on the issue and had a resolution quickly to allow us to camp Labor Day Weekend. Despite all of our experiences, we still feel Heartland builds a good trailer, but sincerely feel we just got a bad apple.
RE: 1/2 ton payload
When I did a build and price on Ford's web site, it says the Tow Max package isn't available on the SuperCrew. The Ford is also down a little on power, although it looks like for 2010 they upped the torque and it's at a lower rpm than the others, so maybe it's more competitive.
At any rate, I'm leaning towards a heavy duty truck at this point and have posted another thread.
I'd agree the power numbers are the lowest, but the 5.4L has quite a bit of torque. Had I not exceeded my payload so severly on my 2008 Supercrew, I'd have pulled our last TT all day without issue. Granted, it was no diesel puller like my current F-350, but it also cost a fortune more. If we downsize trailers shortly, I will most undoubtedly go back to an F-150 Supercrew with the Tow Max.
Oh, your Tow Max deal on Ford's site... you must have accepted a weird option combination as the Max Tow is without a doubt available on the Supercrew. The book says the payload on a 157" wheelbase Supercrew 4X4 is 1,810 pounds, while the 145' wheelbase is 1,910.
RE: 1/2 ton payload
I think it's funny.. although I commented earlier I noticed the flavor of the thread. Just a reminder because payload goes up doesn't mean your tow capacity goes up so in some cases there's still a real need to move up to something bigger than a 1/2 ton. The only thing the payload increase helps you with is if you've got a trailer that has a heavier tongue weight which for some longer trailers can push 1000# despite having GVWR that are the same as some shorter trailers that have 400# tongues.
And might I add that so many read "My truck has a max tow rating of X pounds so I can tow X pounds" when in reality, max tow ratings are only with an empty truck - no cargo, with the driver only - no passengers, a weight distribution hitch if the tongue weight exceeds the 800 pound Class IV hitch rating, and the frontal area is not exceeded. How many tow without the family? How many tow without a cooler and accessories in the truck bed? Not many, so toss out the gross trailer max tow rating.
RE: What's the longest time YOU have left coach at the shop?
How does four months sound? But in all fairness, I actually think if Heartland had exercised some quality control before our unit was sent out of the factory, we may have cut it down quite a bit. But then again, it appears getting parts to the dealer for other warranty work still takes forever anyway.
RE: 1/2 ton payload
If you look, the Tow Max Package on the 2010 (not the 2009) adds close to 400 pounds on the Supercrew, which will put payload in a 6-3/4 foot boxed 4X4 Supercrew Lariat at 1,700 payload, and as high as 1810 with a less equipped truck. I looked at a couple last night to verify the payloads and they are up there for 2010, but only with the Tow Max.
I have been watching this closely as I was way overweight last spring with my 2008 King Ranch F-150 Supercrew, so I pretty much had to go with a 3/4 ton, but got a 1 ton instead for the minimal difference. Now that we are looking to go to a much shorter trailer and one about 2,500 lighter (in the 4,500-5,500 pound range), I am looking to go back to a 1/2 ton now that the payloads have increase substantially. I drive about 50,000+ a year, and I prefer the softer ride of the F-150 and miss the King Ranch over my current stripped Lariat F-350. Besides, the new DPF choked diesels don't impress me much anymore and it's only going to get worse... and I'm not one to do the Spartan Tune and DPF delete.
RE: 2009-2010 F-150 Supercrew Owners, Please Report
Well, it's no secret here that I have been and am a big diesel buff, but even though my 6.4L is a great truck, it'll be overkill if we downsize trailers, and I really do miss my 2008 Supercrew King Ranch. The DW never misses a beat to tell me I screwed up by going to the current F-350. But, I had major payload/tongue weight issues with our Fartland travel trailer. After seeing that he Tow Max puts a Supercrew at 1800 pounds payload (probably a stripped model), that is closer to what I need. My F-350 is around 3,000 with the HD suspension and higher GVWR, and as a daily driver, it lets me know I can haul it, too. As for the other secret, the MPG of these snubbed new fangled diesels is far less than what I am used to with my 7.3's and 6.0's.
