RE: Chevy or Ford
I pulled a 9200lb trailer from California to Virginia with a 2011 Ecoboost. That engine will pull all day, but has no compression braking. Coming down the Rockies and the Smokies made for some white knuckle drives and very hot brakepads. Based on those experiences, I bit the bullet and traded for a Duramax. Pulling isn't everything...
Ah Men brother!!
This is the part of the 1/2 ton TV, that just gets to me, an F150 or Chev 1500 can have GVWR of about 8,200#, at the GVWR they have 2,500 to 3,000# of payload (please note not exact figures, but close enough) so 8,200-3,000# puts the base truck at about 5,200#, that is light for something pulling a 35' to 38' TT with.
Next post with the 1/2 tonner is how do I cure my sway! When I get passed by a semi the trailer starts to sway, I have to hit the trailer brakes and get it under control. Real bad case of the tail wagging the dog.
To the OP, this is a hint! If you want to enjoy the tow as much as the camping get a 3/4 ton (250/2500) don't care if it gas or diesel, although I am a bit biased, diesel makes it even better. I'm almost willing to bet my f150 weighs about the same as your 12 year old dodge...
I would not be too sure.
Ready to tow with just me in it it weighs 7,400#
I have an in bed tool box that holds the pin stabilizer, some light weight fencing for the dogs, Maybe 200# at most, and about 120# or less for the hitch.
That and I have a 1,000# engine up front!Wow that thing is heavier than i thought.. I looked it up quick and i think the weight i found was not 4x4 and was not a diesel. My bad....:B
RE: Chevy or Ford
I have a friend with an EcoBoost. He paid far more than it is worth and he even gets to use it between trips to the dealer. It has been in the shop a LOT. HOW IRONIC, I HAVE A FRIEND THAT HAD THE SAME TRUCK AS YOU AND HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE EMISSIONS******.. EVERY MANUFACTURER GOES THROUGH GROWING PAINS... SORRY FOR THECAPITAL LETTERS, PHONE IS SCREWED UP.
RE: Chevy or Ford
I pulled a 9200lb trailer from California to Virginia with a 2011 Ecoboost. That engine will pull all day, but has no compression braking. Coming down the Rockies and the Smokies made for some white knuckle drives and very hot brakepads. Based on those experiences, I bit the bullet and traded for a Duramax. Pulling isn't everything...
Ah Men brother!!
This is the part of the 1/2 ton TV, that just gets to me, an F150 or Chev 1500 can have GVWR of about 8,200#, at the GVWR they have 2,500 to 3,000# of payload (please note not exact figures, but close enough) so 8,200-3,000# puts the base truck at about 5,200#, that is light for something pulling a 35' to 38' TT with.
Next post with the 1/2 tonner is how do I cure my sway! When I get passed by a semi the trailer starts to sway, I have to hit the trailer brakes and get it under control. Real bad case of the tail wagging the dog.
To the OP, this is a hint! If you want to enjoy the tow as much as the camping get a 3/4 ton (250/2500) don't care if it gas or diesel, although I am a bit biased, diesel makes it even better. I'm almost willing to bet my f150 weighs about the same as your 12 year old dodge...
RE: EcoBoost problems on the Horizon...:?
You got to know, when you ask a little engine to do what they are asking there are going to be major problems. just follow the # 1 rule; There is no substitute for cubic inches. Remember when you daddy and your brother told you that? It still stands today, even with todays modern technology. That little engine as you put it is built with all forged internals and can handle much more power than they come with from the factory. That #1 rule, there is no replacement for displacement is total B.S. I know your just lashing out because your having a hard time wrapping your head around the fact that Fords little Eco V6 outperforms you big bad HEMI ! It will be ok, you are unfortunatley suffering from what us ecoboost owners call torque deficiency. ;)
RE: F150 payload quetion
Most of the standard 4x4 crew trucks are around 1500 lb, the max tows are 1800 while the HD payload are 2200+. I have not driven a max tow but the HD payload package is a huge jump in stability. It's not even comparable. Mine has 2171 on the sticker, crew 4x4 with HD payload and max tow.Would you happen to know what the actual difference is between the max tow pkg and HD pkg besides the 7 lug wheels?? I was talking to someone on another website about this and he told me that he climbed under both trucks, got all the part #'s and insists that a Max tow Screw with a 6.5' bed has the same exact parts under it as the HD pkg except the 7 lug wheels. I find that very hard to believe once you see the difference in payload #'s. It has to either have bigger axles or stronger leaf springs or something?
RE: Chevy or Ford
To the OP, If you are set on a 1/2 ton then the Ecoboost with the max tow and HD payload pkg is your best choice period. I don't know anything about the Chevy 6.2L besides the fact I'm sure it likes to DRINK! But the Ecoboost will tow circles around the Chevy 5.3L all day long.
My trailer is 7500lbs, I'm within all my trucks ratings and it tows my trailer effortlessly. Would i rather be towing with a 3/4 - 1 ton diesel?? Absolutely! But my truck is my daily driver and i only tow my trailer about 8 times a year. The extra cost of owning a diesel is just not worth it for me. At least not now, maybe in the future when i have more time to travel and find a nice fifth wheel that catches my eye. But for now the Ecoboost is the perfect fit.
RE: Question on F150 Eco GVWR
Thanks, all. Looks like we're getting a Max Tow package. We'll skip the Max Payload. We won't need anything that heavy duty. Appreciate all of the insight, and completely agree with the idea of "plan for the worst case". Better safe than sorry.You will be very pleased with your choice!
RE: depreciation of travel trailer
The mark up on new trailers is ridiculous. My 2012 trailer had a MSRP of $34,990 and i got it for $20,990. That doesn't include taxes and the extended warranty i purchased.
RE: looking to upgrade from hybrid to hard sided for room...
We ended up trading in our Hybrid for a 33' bunkhouse and couldn't be happier! Packing up to go home in the rain just doesn't seem to bother me anymore. :) For 1/2 ton towable I will recommend looking at the Keystone Passports. They have a few different bunk house floor plans to choose that are on the lighter side when it comes to tongue weight and GVWR. Good luck, Kevin
RE: Take a look at these specs & give me yes or no
You sure you only have 9900lbs towing??? That seems low? You have almost twice the Payload as my F150 and my truck is suppose to be rated at 11,200lbs towing??
RE: Am I stretching my ecoboost limits?
I wouldn't do it. I'm towing a 33' that is 7500lbs(loaded) and i wouldn't want to go heavier. The motor will have plenty of power to get you up the hills but it's coming down the other side that could get a little uncomfortable. You will have close to 10,000lbs pushing your 5700lb truck down the hill. The little motor pulls great but with 10,000lbs it will give you absolutely no help with engine breaking. You will find yourself building up speed going down steep grades and end up having to ride the breaks hoping they don't overheat by the time you get to the bottom. As capable as these trucks are i still think a trailer that size is 3/4 ton territory. Just my 2cents.
RE: Going to look at new 1500 crew cabs today
What is the deal with putting so many miles on before towing? Transmission break in? ^ Sweet rig BTW!I think waiting the 1000 miles to tow has to do with a little bit of everything breaking in correctly. But i think one of the big things is the rear ends ring and pinion gears. I have been told the rear end needs to be broken in under normal driving conditions before towing a trailer and adding real heat and load to them. Not sure if there is any real truth to it or not but it's what i have been told and the owners manual says to wait 1000mi so it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially with a brand new truck. Good luck, Kevin
RE: Going to look at new 1500 crew cabs today
You will be very pleased with your new truck. I towed our 33' 7500lb trailer last summer over 4,000 miles with no issues. I will suggest you put as many miles as possible before your first tow. Comparing the Ecoboost to your old tow vehicle will be like night and day, you will be amazed when you climb most hills at 2200rpms! Best of luck with it!
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RE: F150 EB vs 5.0 towing
I wonder how long before the forum gets a "NO MORE 5.0 vs EcoBoost THREADS" sticky?
Oh, this isn't anything. You should see how the Eco boys get on the Ford forums. They act as though the engine is blessed and anything said against it, was blasphemy.I just love the fact that you can point your finger at us " ECO BOYS" as the trouble makers. If you read through almost every Ecoboost thread there is always a comment from you saying how unreliable the Eco is and you should buy the ALMIGHTY 5.0 because it can do everything the Eco can do with no turbo lag!
Now the truth comes out that you haven't even towed anything with your 5.0 truck yet but for some reason you are able to give all this advice to people on the 5.0 being just as good a choice as the Ecoboost... When in fact you really don't have any idea how your very own truck tows let alone the Ecoboost.. :S I suggest you get off the computer, go hook up the trailer and get some towing miles under your belt then you can come back and give real advice that you actually experienced yourself.. :B
Happy camping!
Kevin
Ohhh, I'm sorry, did I hurrrrrrrrrrt your feelings?
It's hilarious, now you think you've found a bone and you'll keep chewing on it as long as you can. I've never heard anything so juvenile, but I'm honestly not surprised judging by the history. http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/bth_up_2.gif No feelings hurt here Sally, :B I just let all the facts speak for themselves. Atleast when someone asks me for info and advice on the Ecoboost I'm able to give them an honest answer because i actually have experience towing with it!:E
Seems to be an awful high pedestal you put yourself on, make sure you don't fall.
RE: F150 EB vs 5.0 towing
I wonder how long before the forum gets a "NO MORE 5.0 vs EcoBoost THREADS" sticky?
Oh, this isn't anything. You should see how the Eco boys get on the Ford forums. They act as though the engine is blessed and anything said against it, was blasphemy.I just love the fact that you can point your finger at us " ECO BOYS" as the trouble makers. If you read through almost every Ecoboost thread there is always a comment from you saying how unreliable the Eco is and you should buy the ALMIGHTY 5.0 because it can do everything the Eco can do with no turbo lag!
Now the truth comes out that you haven't even towed anything with your 5.0 truck yet but for some reason you are able to give all this advice to people on the 5.0 being just as good a choice as the Ecoboost... When in fact you really don't have any idea how your very own truck tows let alone the Ecoboost.. :S I suggest you get off the computer, go hook up the trailer and get some towing miles under your belt then you can come back and give real advice that you actually experienced yourself.. :B
Happy camping!
Kevin
RE: Maybe found my diesel.
Looks like a decent truck. Make sure you look underneath and checkout the oil pan. Check for rust spots and bubbles, some were known to rust through really bad.
RE: 6800lbs. and 31 foot long
What are the specs on your truck(payload,gvwr,tow rating)?? Also is the 6800lbs the dry weight or loaded weight of the trailer? The main concern when towing with 1/2 tons is exceeding GVWR and rear axle ratings.
RE: F150 EB vs 5.0 towing
I guess Ford made a mistake and should have sold the 5.0 with the Max tow pkg???
Yes they should had. The 4.10 would had gone in nicely without much of a hit on fuel economy.
I find it funny that you have been praising your 5.0 all this time about being just as good and even better in some cases than the ecoboost. Then find out you haven't even towed anything with your truck yet???
I haven't been praising, just stating the facts about it.:?
I'm a car/truck guy. I love muscle cars and big torque. Now I honestly can't understand you. You act like you've never driven anything with power. Perhaps not, since many people like their small V6 and 4 cyclinder Toyotas and Hondas.
However I've driven many and can honestly tell you, if you drive enough and enjoy to drive, you can easily find out the vehicles power characteristics. I've driven many vehicles with high horsepower and lower torque output or torque up high in the rpms. I've also driven many vehicles with exceptional low rpm torque and great horsepower.
I've had numerous trucks and towed with them all. I can tell you, that the torque characteristics you feel in daily driving is the characteristic you'll feel towing. If you feel lower torque output at lower rpms, during your daily drive, you'll feel the same towing.
If you drive a truck that has good torque down at the lower rpms during your daily drive, you'll have the same good lower rpm torque when towing.
It very simple, if you start with no power, you'll tow with no power. If you start with good power, you'll have good power towing. Plus there's a lot of testimonials about how good the 5.0L does at the forums, in the truck magazines, and the truck online review sites.
If you can't tell by driving a truck, if it will tow good, then you better stick to cars and tents. ;)Listen Mike, I never said the 5.0 wasn't a stellar engine and i don't doubt it tows well. All I'm saying is it doesn't compare to the Ecoboost towing especially at higher elevations. As far as you being able to tell how a small V8 naturally aspirated engine will tow a heavy trailer just from driving it around empty is ridiculous!!!!!
I too have a passionate love for muscle cars and high horsepower and have owned many fun and crazy cars and trucks over the years. My latest toys are an all original 1970 Nova 396 375hp w/ 4spd and a 03'Cobra Whipple supercharged that makes 614hp to the wheels. After hearing you say that your truck has and i quote: INSTANTANEOUS NECK SNAPPING POWERI really don't think you have any idea what real horsepower and torque feels like. If you want to come take a ride in my Cobra I will show you what real neck snapping power feels like unless your afraid you might soil yourself???? :B
RE: F150 EB vs 5.0 towing
I average 17mpg mixed city/highway. At 65 mph I see 21 mpg. At 75 mph I see 19.5 mpg. All unloaded. Towing I've averaged 10-10.5 mpg over 1000 miles so far.
That's what I'm seeing exactly! I haven't gone as slow as 65 mph on an expressway yet with it but @ 75 mpg I was getting 19.5 mpg exactly!
Haven't towed with it yet. I towed with my 5.4L, which was the same XLT Crew Cab 4WD except fewer options and a 3.55 limited slip axle opposed to the new 3.73 locking axle. I was getting 10.5 mpg average towing the 2012 Jayco 26BH.
While the Ecoboost may do 1 or 2 mpg at best unloaded and not towing, it's usually the same as the 5.0L. It's been shown in the F150 forums that the Ecoboost will get about 1 or 2 mpg less towing than the 5.0L. Also don't forget it has less engine braking with the smaller displacement. Others have mentioned this as well but got used to it and used the brake pads more. ;)I guess Ford made a mistake and should have sold the 5.0 with the Max tow pkg??? I find it funny that you have been praising your 5.0 all this time about being just as good and even better in some cases than the ecoboost. Then find out you haven't even towed anything with your truck yet???
