oh, sorry shoulda 'splained the horror.
TravelerTM told of unbelievable, shoddy workmanship, bad electrical connections, water leaks, etc, etc, and problems with dealer trying to get it fixed. It happened to be the exact model trailer we just bought so it was scary to read. According to other sites on the internet, Thor of California trailers in early 2000's were poorly built with lots of quality problems.
Before we bought this TT, I did inspect just about everything including underneath. I did notice the small tanks, which I can live with, but thought I'd see if I could find bigger ones that would fit, which is when I came across the TravelerTM post. One of his complaints was that the TT was advertised with 25 gallon tanks, but came with only 13-15 gallon tanks.
So, I thought I'd post this to see if TravelerTM was still on this site, or if anyone knows of replacement tanks for this TT.
Thanks downtheroad for the tip. Larger size tanks won't overload our weight capacity or affect weight distribution as we never tow with any water in them, including fresh water, makes it too heavy for our old tow vehicle. To flush or drink, we carry a couple of gallon containers of potable water. I even drain the hot water tank before hitting the road (that saves 50 pounds).
We just bought an '04 Thor Tahoe 22CB lite. It is everything we have been looking for for a long time. 1st priority, floor plan, 2nd weight.
We've wanted a floor plan with a made-up bed, dinette and couch; and a UVW of around 3,000 pounds as we tow with a 1965 Chevy Van.
The unit is in great shape, clean & straight and everything works.
During my pre-purchase inspection I noticed that the holding tanks were very small, but as our first two priorities were met, that is acceptable. Although, it would be nice to replace them with larger tanks.
Online, I found an old 2004 thread here on RV.net where TravelerTM reported about the horrible condition of the new 22CB he had just bought. I'm not worried about our "new" unit as by now the problems, if any, have been resolved.
TravelerTM contacted the manufacturer complaining about the small size of the grey and black holding tanks (about 15 gallons each) contrary to the advertised capacity of 25 gallons each. He was in discussion with the manufacturer about installing larger tanks, but the thread ended before that was resolved. I'm wondering if he was able to get the tanks replaced, and if so where could I get them.
TravelerTM, you still a member here?
Appreciate the responses. Unfortunately the TT we're looking at is a 2008, so the published weights are suspect. I'm well aware that even when weighed at the factory, a trailer is really unloaded and is lite as it's ever going to get.
However, if it's actually run across a scale, the weight of all the add-ons are known and can be calculated with some accuracy.
As for the published weights in the brochures and listed on the chart behind a cabinet door, they can easily be 500 pounds off. that's what happened to me when buying a '98 Wilderness "lite". All the printed literature showed about 3500 UVW. After being able to barely tow it home, I headed to a scale and found it weighed 4170. Can't believe I was so stupid to accept the manufacturers estimates, I've only been towing for 25 years and shoulda known better. Will I ever learn? (we did make $500 by cleaning it up before selling it four months after buying it. so all was not lost).
Make sure the TT isn't too heavy for your TV.
Manufactureres listed weights are usually low, so be careful
(Can't remember what year, but a while back Maunfactureres were required to actually weigh the unit when it left the factory).
I think if the rig hasn't sold after 7 weeks your price is too high. In my experience, when its priced right you'll get several calls the first week. If after two weeks the interest drops way off, the price is still too high. I drop prices weekly at $50 intervals until the calls start again. Sometimes, braking even is the best you can do.
We've sold two trailers in the past 6 months, both sold the first week, and we got the haggling price we wanted. Both trailers were old ('85 & '98) but everything worked and both were immaculately clean. That was the first comment everybody had when they walked in.
on two lane roads, pull off when traffic backs up behind you, keeps the hotheads from trying pass you on curves and hills. Here in Washington, it's illegal to hold up 5 or more cars if you can't go the speed limit. Holding up traffic gives us a bad name.
I've traveled that highwy, is beautiful and a challenge for a TT. Y-Guy is right, pull off often and let traffic go by. There's a lot of traffic on the road and hotheads will do dumb and dangerous things if they have to follow you for miles, lots of curves so they can't pass much. Plus, hogging the road gives us all a bad name.
The seller did send us the weight off of the rating plate, printed in the cabinet and off of the 2001 Sierra catalog. they all say around 3200 pounds. Since it hasn't been actually weighed, I know I just can't be sure. I don't think the lady selling it would want to go to the trouble of towing it to a weigh station. That's why I'm wondering how much weight a Toyota 6 cyl 4-Runner will tow, or if anyone here has ever owned a 2001 22ft Sierra Lite and have any idea how much it weighed. I assume the 4-Runner is rated as a half ton?This would give me clue.
The 292 engine in the van has lots of power, that's not the problem, I just don't like to be towing a trailer that's heavier than the tow vehicle. the 292's were used in wreckers before the big block Chevy V-8 was available, like I said torque and towing power is what the 292 was built for. I've been towing with it since 1988 and it's now got 90,000 of towing miles on it. Has never failed me.
I am well aware that the weight ratings on trailers built before the manufacturers had to weigh the TT's as the leave the factory are not at all accurate, that's why I'm hesitant to drive 6 hours to see it. I'm still very interested in this TT it's just that the floor plan we want is hard to find in a small older trailer. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about the older Sierras. So I'm turning to my fellow RV'ers.
If the Sierra is actually close to 3200 pounds unloaded as stated on the tag in the cabinets, then the van will tow it safely. What I need is a trailer than weighs no more than a true 3500 lbs unloaded. That's what all of our prior trailers weighed. My concern, is that after driving 300 miles, we will find that it weighs a lot more than the 3200 lbs claimed by the manufacturer. I thought if I could get an idea from you Toyota owners how much weight a 4-runner will tow with the 6 cyl. engine, then that would give me an idea how heavy the trailer really is.
We travel light with no water in the tanks including the hot water tank, only one propane tank full and keep the amount of junk in the TT to a minimum.
As the old van weighs about 3500 pounds, I don't want my TT to be much more than that. Our last TT, a pristine 85 Wilderness weighed that much and it was very nice towing combination. Both were weighed at a local scale. We stupidly sold it cause DW didn't like setting up the gaucho for bed everynite and wanted a made-up-bed TT. So, we bought a 98 Wilderness "Lite" based on the manufacturers estimated weight of 3600 lbs, I weighed it and it was 4170, just too much for the van. The 292 inline 6 would pull it, but it was like the tail wagging the dog, didn't feel safe. I do feel like an idiot. I've been towing for 25 years and have bought a lot of trailers and should have known better than to believe estimated weights.
Finding a small TT with a front bedroom, center couch and a dinette has proven to be very difficult. Plus, I really need the front to slope back a lot for good aerodynamics. We've located a 22' Sierra 330 miles away from us (Blaine to Pasco in Washington state). I actually don't mind water damage or other broken things cause I enjoy fixing them up, its the weight and floor plan that's all important. So, I was hoping someone on the forum had had one and tell me what they towed it with, or had ever had it weighed. I hate to drive that far and find that it is too heavy.
The lady selling the TT towed it over Snoqualmie pass with a 2013 Toyota 4-Runner with the 6 engine and said it did fine. Can anyone towing with one tell me what towing capacity it has? What size TT do you tow with it? Is it as big as a pick-up? I'm a Chevy only guy, I am not familiar with any Japanese vehicle.
We have towed TT's all over the western US, over the Cascades and Rockies and down to the desert southwest a lot, so the van can do the job if the TT is not too heavy. In 1965, there were no tow ratings available, just carrying capacity. It's a half ton, but vehicles were built much stronger in those days, they used thick heavy duty steel. I'm curious how the van compares with a 4-Runner.
One would think after 69 years of walking around on this earth, one should be done making mistakes. Guess not.
anybody had a 2001 Sierra Lite 22ft. travel trailer? I'd like to find out how much this unit actually weighs, UVW
I tow with a '65 Chevy Van so knowing the actual weight is very important
also, when were TT manufacturers first required to weigh their trailers as they left the factory?
Sun (which I wish he had more of here).
Owned a new Arctic Fox when lived in Las Vegas. After a year in the hot sun I noticed that some of the decals were beginning to separate and the skin beginning to delaminate.
Here in the rainy Pacific NW, recently had a 1985 Wilderness with perfect condition decals.
seesh, my post sure generated lots of comments, most negative (that's ok doesn't bother me). If you read it closer I said "I DON'T THINK" its a good idea to tow a TT heavier than the TV." So just my opinion, observation, and experience towing many TT's with a 1/2 ton since 1988. And, I'm not criticizing anyone using a 3/4 ton and up that are made to tow heavier TT's than the TV. Used a 3/4 ton Suburban myownself to tow really heavy 2-slide out Arctic Foxes. Just won't do it with a 1/2 ton.
I jumped on this thread cause it just seems that every thread I read where the poster wants some advice regarding towing with a 1/2, they always seem to want to tow big long TT's that might exceed tow ratings. So I make my comment/observation based on my experience, take it or leave it.
As for one comment that their 30' weighs less than a 24', had that myself, had a 30' Trail Lite that weighed a lot less than a 24 foot Komfort with a slide out.
Here's another controversial comment, I think longer TT's are more sway stable than short ones, again, based on experience.
I wouldn't recommending using a TT that's much heavier than the TV. Plus, I don't think the 5.3 engine has a enuff power to tow that much weight comfortabley. The 6.0 is much better. I've had a 6.0 in a Roadtrek Class B that would haul the Roadtrek's 8000 lbs and a 4000 pound TT and got 11 mpg.
For some reason 1/2 ton truck owners want to use them to tow heavy 30' TT's. Why is that? Get a 3/4 ton for safety's sake or keep the TT around 24'. Makes no sense to me, is dangerous. I don't think its a good idea to tow a trailer that weighs a lot more than the TV. And as others have noted, you also have to account for all of the weight in the truck itself, a lot more junk in there than you realize.
I've towed with a 1/2 ton, 1965 Chevy Van with s 292 inline 6 since 1988. Except for a couple of bad choices, I always make sure the TT & TV weigh about the same. The van weighs 3700 lbs loaded and it has no vehicle weight ratings like the newer trucks have.
I've towed TT's that weigh more than 4,000 lbs, the old van has no trouble towing them power and suspension wise, but it's uncomfortable having that heavy TT controlling the TV. This old Chevy's frame and suspension components are built stronger than today's trucks so weight ratings haven't meant much to me. There's about 250,000 miles on the van itself and 90,000 on the 292. Never broken down or been stranded. I keep it well maintained and stay within the limits of the vehicle.
DO NOT USE THE SILICONE, IF YOU DID, TAKE IT OFF!
Couple of years ago I bought an 85 Wilderness that I knew had major water damage in 3 corners. The corner studs had been reduced to sawdust. Strangely enuff very little of the water damage was visible inside and not at all on outside. the culprit was silicone seal. The previous owners had put silicone over the original caulking. All it did was separate from the old caulking and from the original aluminum siding and was actually trapping and holding water and sending it inside the trailer. After rebuilding the corners I caulked the whole trailer with Pro-flex. No more leaks.
Years ago I had cut a sunroof into my '65 Chevy Van tow vehicle. After many years it started leaking so I ran silicone caulk around it. It kept leaking and I again discovered that it had pulled away from the sunroof frame and was trapping water and sending it directly into the van. Used Sikaflex 221 (better than Pro-Flex) this time, no more leak.
(I agree that Dicor is a good product and should be used rather than silicone).
After using the pink stuff the first year of RV'ing (1987), then tasting it on the first, second and third camping trips, I've been blowing out the lines ever since. I don't use shut off-diverting valves, I blow out the system from the drain hole of the hot water tank. Works great. My air pump has a lot of pressure.