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RE: new or used
Sorry I don't have a dog.
Oh I do comment on the other brands also you are just sensitive about Montana's. There is a lady that freaks out if I mention Big Horn's so believe me you are not the only sensitive one on here.
We have friends that are on their 3rd Montana and are very happy but there others I know that get upset at the mention of Montana because of the bad experiences they had with theirs. Hey the dog was your story last time, not mine.
I do find it difficult to believe that you could keep a friend with a Montana, unless they just don't see how you constantly bash them at EVERY possible moment you can find. It's almost as if the term is your icon for everything you don't like. It's beyond opinion, it's a prejudice.
So be it - I'm off my rant
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06/19/13 09:08am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: new or used
I figure they depreciate about 12% per year and if I am using it regularly I will want to keep it within about 8 years old. So if I were to start with a $90,000 unit it might be worth about $32,000 in 8 years. So roughly $7200 depreciation per year. If I were to buy a 4 year old unit twice for $54,000 each time and keep each one for 4 years, it might cost me about $44,000 for depreciation over the same 8 year period or $5500 per year. I guess in the whole scheme of things its not a big deal one way or the other.
Agree they all depreciate. Financially it's losing proposition.
New or used the only way to get value is to use it as much as possible. The more you use it the more value you get. If you are looking for an investment an RV is not the place to put your money.
My advice is to pick the one you truly like and keep it a long time.
Good luck with you decision.
What you say makes sense. It also gets me thinking. If I am going to go all out and buy an expensive RV with the intent of keeping it a long time it might be well worth it to build a garage to store it in when it is not being used. The garage shouldn't depreciate and it will allow me to be happy with my purchase for a little longer. So now my question becomes: what makes more sense, replace the fiver every 4 or 5 years or build a garage for it and keep the thing for 8 - 10 years?I kept my 2007 Montana in a garage since it was new. It was pristine when we sold it this spring - the high gloss shined like it did new, and the roof, tires, graphics, everything was preserved well.
Did the resale price offset the cost of the garage - no. Did it sell within a few weeks where the competition sat for almost a year - yes.
You can't fight depreciation, as that is what the banks are using to finance the majority of folks looking, and you also can't fight style and technology. Regardless of how shiney mine was, it was still a 2007 Montana that paled by comparison to a 2013 Montana with auto level jacks, double fridge, and all the other things that weren't offered back in 07.
10 years would be a nice target to keep one - if you overlook the dated style and technology. A garage does not save you money, but it sure can make it a lot easier to maintain one.
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06/18/13 02:24pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: new or used
We bought our Mobile Suites 4 years old. It was around 80k or more new and paid about 50K with tax. We can still after 20 months get our money minus taxes out of it. A lesser quality like Montana would be worth MUCH less now and will be worth much more less in the future. We still have a high end unit and we are really pleased with it!Ah yes, the Montana Hate Squad, you're dreaming if you think your Mobile Suites quit depreciating.
On any used unit - you are fighting a slippery slope on antiquated technology and weather. Even the best of the best fade and peel and get dated interiors. Why start into one that is halfway there?
I could have used Heartland or Everest or the like but i have not heard from you lately! So thanks for taking the time to reply.
What did I say about the Montana that was not true?
Anyone with a sense of objectivity would agree a Montana is of "lesser Quality" as I said.
What I said is fact and I told our Op what my experience and my opinion was based on buying used VS new.
I love the way you like to put words in my mouth. I never said my MS quit depreciating. I said I can still get what I paid for it minus taxes and that is true.
Sorry you are so sensitive .
Must be the thin air up there. HAI've read your junk on here for over a year and its never Heartland or Everest - it's 100% Montana because you talked to some guy walking your dog.
PS - Montana may be less expensive, but it certainly isn't less quality than MS. You must have illusions that there are little Mercedez Benz assemblers in lab coats inside of a clean room that put yours together. Hate to burst your bubble, but it was the materials and equipment that put your price up, not the quality.
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06/18/13 02:07pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: new or used
We bought our Mobile Suites 4 years old. It was around 80k or more new and paid about 50K with tax. We can still after 20 months get our money minus taxes out of it. A lesser quality like Montana would be worth MUCH less now and will be worth much more less in the future. We still have a high end unit and we are really pleased with it!Ah yes, the Montana Hate Squad, you're dreaming if you think your Mobile Suites quit depreciating.
On any used unit - you are fighting a slippery slope on antiquated technology and weather. Even the best of the best fade and peel and get dated interiors. Why start into one that is halfway there?
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06/16/13 11:24am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: What is your favorite feature?
6 point level up (auto level). Love it.
Electric fireplace. Have not had to use our furnace at all. Amazing thing that I used to think was superfluous.
Top 2.
If I had each as options on a new RV I was having built I would not have either.
My wife would love a fireplace but at a $900 up charge I would rather have the storage space and use portable electric heaters.
Also for the extra $$$ i will stick with the 4 point hydraulic leveling system, pretty easy for me to add a block or two to level side to side then adjust front to back. I then know it is perfectly level since I have calibrated my levels with a laser. The auto levels are not always level and just another thing to go wrong.
Options make the world go round.The thread is what YOUR favorite feature is, NOT what you don't like about someone elses :h:R
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06/12/13 06:42pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Dealer requires suitable truck
Initially I was impressed, until they started to tell me that if my 1-ton SB did not have enough capacity, they could re-spring it and "Certify" it for the additional weight. That is BS, as the payload is also limited by tires and axle rating.
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06/08/13 11:51am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: air bags strictly for comfort
Remember a truck is a truck...It will never ride like a Caddy.
My Dually rides like a Limo!That's because it is soft. Try driving a real truck sometime with an actual payload you can use.
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Mile High
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05/20/13 05:10pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 2002 F350 Lariat with 7.3L Diesel
That's true, I probably should've had more tact. Sorry OP.It's not like we all drive Buicks! ;)
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Mile High
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05/20/13 05:08pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Handheld Remote control for awning,rear jacks.slides,etc.?
Guess you didn't get one.
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Mile High
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05/13/13 10:58pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Fifth wheel slider
Did I mention that it will slide with no weight just by pulling in it by hand?Mine would too, but the rollers were just sliding over the well greased rail.
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Mile High
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05/09/13 08:01am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Goodyear Tires
Just for the record, I've had a Marabomb come apart several years back. The thing I can't understand is why people are staying with Goodyear after the fact. I will only buy Toyo / Nitto LT rated tires for anything I own. IMO.probably for the weight rating.
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Mile High
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05/03/13 04:22pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Redwood RV fifth wheel 36RE
We are looking into purchasing the Redwood 36RE and was wondering if anyone owns a Redwood and how do they like / dislike it. Looking for some reviews too.
We went to the Hershey Show last year and fell in love with it compared to the other fifth wheels. We plan on going to the Hershey show again this year we are hoping that they will have the toy hauler version there at the show. If you have seen one or know of any problems they may have please let me know. We are planning on full timing and want a all season fifth wheel.
Any suggestions for a well built all season fifth wheel please let me know. Thanks.:h
If you are going to full time I would look at some other RV's.
JMHOof course you would! You should have looked a little harder yourself :R
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Mile High
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05/02/13 11:38pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Manual to Power Awning - Upgrade Current or get New?
Well I would have to disagree with you 100%. I've had nothing but excellent service from Carefree - they bent over backwards to help my installer convert the Dometic on my last rig to the Carefree power arms. He was able to contact the factory direct and they emailed templates, drawings, specs, anything he wanted.
It also doesn't take rocket science to see the difference between the two - the Carefree arms are twice the size as Dometic. Our last Dealer said the Dometic arms were so flimsy the gas shock was bending some and he had to replace them.
I guess I'm pro Colorado as the folks that build Carefree are in our home town of Broomfield, and I guess I'm anti Dometic, as our new rig is 100% Dometic free!
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Mile High
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05/02/13 10:44am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Goodyear Tires
I thought the second recommendation was interesting. Inflate to 25% over recommended maximum (if your wheels will handle it). Hmmmm, G rated tires would be inflated to 138 (I can't do this because my wheels are only rated to 110psi). E rated tires would need to be stored at 100 psi.
That is kind of interesting, given the wheel manufacturers tailer the psi rating to the tire they are designed to wear. I wonder if there is actually a case where there the wheel is rated higher than the tire that is on it - beyond those that get changed around by the owners later.
So if they recommend taking the weight off, I wonder if it is better to put the load on the hydraulic leveling system or tires while in storage.
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Mile High
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05/02/13 07:43am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Goodyear Tires
We had the same reliability issues with ST tires when the national speed limit was 55 mph and all ST tires were made in the USA.
There wasn't a state in the Union where the drivers complied with that speed limit. You need to come up with a different theory.I don't remember it that way. It wasn't until the last few years before it was repealed that law enforcement pretty much surrendered. When that law started, even in Wyoming you were being pretty aggressive at 65. At least that was what I experienced.
NOBODY in the SouthWest complied with that limit. Not in the deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. Not in wide open spaces of West Texas.....:R I'll just let that one go..
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Mile High
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05/01/13 08:38pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Goodyear Tires
We had the same reliability issues with ST tires when the national speed limit was 55 mph and all ST tires were made in the USA.
There wasn't a state in the Union where the drivers complied with that speed limit. You need to come up with a different theory.I don't remember it that way. It wasn't until the last few years before it was repealed that law enforcement pretty much surrendered. When that law started, even in Wyoming you were being pretty aggressive at 65. At least that was what I experienced.
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05/01/13 07:58pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Goodyear Tires
Those with ST tires should drive 65 or less. The rest of us drive how we want ;)
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Mile High
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05/01/13 04:07pm |
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RE: Redwood 5th Wheel
What happened to about the last two or three posts from Mile High? They completely vanished like they were never there? :hModerator must have a Carriage. Wish they would have deleted the part where you called my rig lipstick on a pig, but then who cares really.
On Edit, that might have been Dean complaining when I gigged him for jumping on the bandwagon about the miserable Montana he won't get rid of.
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Mile High
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04/25/13 06:11pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Manual to Power Awning - Upgrade Current or get New?
I have a power awning on my rv and i would love to get rid of it and put a manual on it. slight breeze and i have to roll it up. a manual you can actually put de-flappers on and leave it out in stronger winds. My next trailer/replacement awning will be a manual for sure.You might be getting a little too quick on the trigger to roll it up - they can take quite a breeze. My wife laughs because my indicator its time to bring it in is when the arm slams up against the trailer :B
But seriously, its not for everybody. My Montana had the manual and when my short self was standing there looking up at the black knob on the forward arm about 3' out of my reach during the PDI, it was converted to electric before the first voyage.
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Mile High
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04/25/13 01:55pm |
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RE: Manual to Power Awning - Upgrade Current or get New?
you can defeat the auto wind option. check your instructionsVery few of these have the auto-retract. They are just electric.
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Mile High
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04/25/13 01:51pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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