Diesels generally get higher fuel mileage than the EPA numbers. You got higher than the EPA 27 mpg at 29 mpg and their in not doubt that the Colorado would get better than its EPA 29 mph. In fact, most reviewers are getting low 30s on the highway in the Colorado. So it beats the Ecodiesel in fuel mileage from what I have seen. Are you seriously trying to say a larger heavier truck with a larger diesel engine gets better fuel economy than a smaller lighter truck with a slightly small diesel?
Where are you getting the Ecodiesel @ 27mpg? "And as we found, its EPA ratings of 24 mpg combined (21 mpg city, 29 mpg highway) actually underrate its fuel efficiency at highway speeds. The heart of this truck is what gives it the EcoDiesel badge: parent company Fiat Chrysler's 3.0-liter turbodiesel V-6 engine, which you can add to just about any Ram trim level.Apr 27, 2016"
I'm now pulling down 32/33 on the highway do to the tune on my truck. You do know the GM only has a six speed and the Ram has a 8 speed RRRIIIGGGTTT :R Also if the GM weights less it would all be relative as both engines are most likely working as hard given the size & weight of each truck.
OK we get it YOU don't like small displacement diesel engines so WTF are you on a post talking about them? As for pricing I would hope a smaller truck cost less! I priced out a Canyon SLT as close as I could get it to my truck and it was $4K less but without all of the Laramie's options. The GM only has 5/60,000 powertrain coverage the Ram has 5/100,000 can't find any exact numbers for the curb weight of the GM diesel but I bet it is within 1000# of the Ram.
So you are saying people want more performance and other amenities over better fuel economy like I have been saying why people go for other engines?
No. My point was about value, and the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel is more truck for the money than the Colorado diesel. More capability, virtually same mpg, virtually same price. That's it.
The Colorado diesel isn't "virtually the same price". The Colorado diesel is about $8,000-$9,000 cheaper for a trim level with simalar content. Capability doesn't matter since we are talking about people that don't tow. The Colorado 4x4 also gets 2 mpg more that the 4x4 Ecodiesel. Again, I was talking about those who are more concerned about fuel economy that anything else. If you care more about performance, than that omits you from opining.
2016 Chevrolet Colorado Z71 2.8L Diesel 4WD Crew Cab Long Box/MPG
20 city / 29 highway and my 1500 Laramie 4X4 with 3.92 was making 29 highway before the tune and 23 combined so not sure how 20/29 beats it. As for price I haven't checked them and will have to take your word on that.
Very good points dirttal, there was talk of bring two VM engines state side and my plant was being looked at as we have plenty of white space right now. We are still making the Mercedes-Benz WA580 converter not sure what that is going in but we build a lot of them every week.
As for the Iveco 6.7 diesel ever making it in a Ram HD I don't think so. But with Ford now making their 6.7 in house Ford has no reason to pick the Cummins contract if FCA/Ram were to drop the Cummins. GM sure is not going to dump the DMax so who knows what the future holds.
I keep a somewhat tight ear to what is happening in the pickup truck world and I have never heard of the Ecodiesel sales being limited by production besides the first huccups Ram had in 2014 when they engine just came out. You would think that they would have figured out how to meet demand in 2 years if this engine was so popular.
In my neck of the woods, which so happens the truck capital of the US, one look into a few dealerships inventory and you can clearly see the same old ones still in inventory. Heck even my the dealership, Bluebonnet Chrysler, which sales a lot of Rams in the area don't like to keep that many in stock because they don't sell nearly as fast as the Hemi. However, they are forced to order some due to how the manufacturers inventory policies work. One of my good friends is a sales manager there.
Well maybe that is a Texas thing but the ordering window for the Ecodiesel closes in 7 to 14 days each month. When I ordered my truck you had 1 to 3 days to get your order in or you would have to wait for the next months order window to open up. My dealer had me come in at 8 to put the truck together so he could put the order in. So I don't know why your dealer is tell you something different.
Uhmm, the 3.0L Land Rover diesel is a Ford engine.
Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17
I think you got as much hatred for Ford as Fish does for Ram/Cummins. Even worse is I think you have disdain for Ford owners. Why? What is the point in not liking someone just because of what they prefer to drive? Life is too short for that nonsense.
Sorry you feel that way because I do not have any "disdain for Ford owners" as you put it. I do however have disdain for Ford owners that feel they need to get on every Ram post and talk their smack. You might notice I never go on Ford posts and post anything negative UNTIL they start their BS. And I no longer do that, those people are not worth the time.
I have never not one time posted on a "Got a new truck" post anything negative about their purchase. Not one time, we do however have a Ford guy that does it all the time to the Ram buyers.
I have said time and time again it's your money buy what makes you happy.The point of this post was to show the guys that posted I was full of BS when I said Ford (and GM) will be coming out with a small diesel in their half ton trucks. Maybe you don't remember that but I sure do.
As for the engine,
I was just going by what was written in the article "Ford is using a Land Rover-sourced 3.0L diesel in this application.". So if this is in fact built be Ford why wouldn't they say something like, Ford is using their 3.0D/TDV6/SDV6/HDi the same diesel used in the Range Rover????
The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7L and the V8 displacing 3.6L. The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0L was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7L.
To improve the engine’s low-speed torque range for off-roading and towing applications, Land Rover installed a large capacity single-turbocharger, rather than use the twin-turbo design; in addition the engine is fitted with a large engine driven cooling fan to support low speed, high load driving as may be encountered in desert conditions. Furthermore, the Land Rover variant of the Lion V6 includes a deeper, high capacity sump with improved baffles to maintain oil pressure at off-roading extreme angles and multi-layered seals to keep dust, mud and water at bay and different transmission bell housing bolt pattern. The Lion V6 – constructed from compacted graphite iron – is a member of the Ford Duratorq family and is produced at Ford’s Dagenham engine plant; 35,000 engines were produced from April to December 2004.
The 3.0-litre design, known as the Gen III, superseded the 2.7-litre, and uses parallel sequential turbochargers and an uprated common rail injection system incorporating fuel injectors with piezo crystals fitted nearer to the tip to reduce engine noise and a metering mode to reduce oversupplying fuel, decreasing fuel consumption and unused fuel temperature over the 2.7-litre model. The parallel sequential turbocharger system utilizes the smaller of the two turbos when the engine is running at low revolutions; once the engine has reached 2,800 rpm, the larger turbocharger is also used to pressurize the intake.
Jaguar tested fitting the engine to its XK model but didn’t carry the project over to production.
The 3.0-litre variants used by Land Rover feature the 2.7-litre’s off-roading adaptations plus calibration of the engine’s electronics to allow the use of low-quality fuels.
Not sure whu some think these smaller diesel can't tow, but that is pure BS!I tow a 6600# =/- around 200# all the time and it does it with out braking a sweat. I moved a 5800# 25' TT for my BL in Knoxville and again the truck did it without any problems what so ever.
Within their limits these trucks are IMO far better at towing than a gas truck. I don't need to be the first to the top of a mountain nor do I need to be the first to the next stop light just to feed my ego. My EcoD does beat the EcoB off the line....well it did until Ford/GM got their 10 speed on line lol.
Like was said earlier "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Ford and GM started their transmission partnership after FCA started putting the 8 speed and a year later a 9 speed in our vehicles. Now Ford is following us with a 3.0 liter diesel and GM is going to be right behind them!
But FCA is following Ford and bring out our own twin turbo DI gas engines. So you guys can talk about that. Fiat even builds their Ka cars for them.
Hey, all in good fun. They'll probably build it in Mexico, too.
BTW, Don, whose house was VM in??? ;)
I would lean Ram next year just because it's been in production longer.
Fiat and GM fifty fifty partnership. Fiat bought GM out and now owns VM. That and fuel mileage is why they went with the VM and not the 5.0 V8 Cummins.
That is why Ford went with the engine built by Range Rover, they had owned them but sold Range Rover and Jaguar to Tata Motors So they know the engine and know it's reputation.
That kinda makes you ask why are they buying engines when they have their own in house small diesel??? Must be they don't have any confidence in their baby diesels? Remember boys, that is what some of you say is why Chrysler buys engines from Cummins right? Looks like the crows are coming home to roost for some of you guys.
For the guys that where slamming Ram for going with the VM 3.0 in house diesel, Ford is going with a 3.0 diesel made by Range Rover owned by Tata Motors.
Let the spinning begin boys lol
BTW I still think this truck is going to be a huge seller for Ford. Most half ton truck buyers are not towing heavy RV's.
Mexico is part of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), a Latin American free trade deal, and a deal with the EU which means its import duties to Europe will drop from 10% (made in USA) to 0% (made in Mexico).
The decision isn’t all about import taxes or duties; FCA and Ford are both moving all possible car production outside the United States in search of higher margins. At the same time, newspaper recounts claim that the government has actively kept wages down — contrary to the intent of NAFTA — so workers still get paid relatively little.
As long as fuel prices stay low, the United States and Canada will still have assembly jobs: the small and medium size cars are moving out, but crossovers and pickups are taking up the slack, at least for now.
link to story.
I just don't get it! These guys can't think fuel is going to stay this low forever can they? I give it until the end of December tops and we will see fuel prices steadily go back up until we are back to over $4 a gallon. Then how many gas guzzling trucks and SUV's are they going to be selling!
Well it looks like Ford may be jumping onto the no more small cars band wagon like FCA. Also if they do stay they will not be built in the USA!
The future of smaller cars in the U.S. may depend on the ability to electrify their powertrains and introduce them to ride-sharing fleets where they can generate revenue from fares paid by multiple riders.
Along with "Ford shifting all U.S. small-car production to Mexico "Over the next two to three years, we will have migrated all of our small-car production to Mexico and out of the United States," Fields said at a daylong investor conference in Dearborn"."
Not quite sure I get this oil analysis . I spend around $52.00 for an oil change , my manual states 15K or every six months. I do a change every six months, mileage is not a factor. If I decide to get an oil analysis I save $24.00 over the cost of an oil change. Not sure that makes sense to me.
Then there is the warranty. I have read where prove of oil analysis covers you warranty if not following the recommended change intervals. I sure would like to see that in writing if there were to be a oil related problem.
What I see here every time I read about this oil analysis is getting the sample kit, filling with oil, shipping it to the lab ,then waiting for the analysis to see if I can go longer. All the while I could spend $24.00 more, and just changed the oil instead of worrying about whether I need to or not.
After 19 years of diesel ownership I have never done an oil analysis . What I have done is the recommended change intervals according to the owners manual. Have I dodged the bullet not getting an analysis to warn me of impending doom, coolant in oil, excessive wear metals etc etc. I guess I have been lucky. I would assume other then saving a little money the only other motive would be impending doom.
:h Where, you can't buy any full syn oil for and a good filter for %52.00? Or are you running something other than a full-syn?
Well most people buying half ton trucks are not towing anything big. This is a towing forum so most of us tow but it is not the norm. It isn't if Ford adds a diesel to the F-150 it is when. Mid 2017 is what was being thrown around but PUT.COM says 2018.
"Today we bring you further proof of a 2018 Ford F-150 with a turbo-diesel engine destined for sale.
“Caught earlier testing on Michigan roads, this emissions certificate on the back window of the prototype pickup indicates it is a 3.0-liter unit rather than the 3.2-liter diesel that's offered in the full-size Transit van. The JFC1-3.0-966 on the sticker is the emissions calibration code. The JFC1 is the control unit catchword; the 3.0 is the engine displacement; and the 966 is the last three digits of the vehicle tag number.
“This further confirms that Ford will be using the Lion V-6 found in current Jaguar/Land Rover vehicles such as the Range Rover. The engine was developed while Ford still owned JLR. The F-150 diesel is also identified by the venturi exhaust tip, necessary to more efficiently cool down gas temperatures.
“Ford will be gunning after the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, which uses an Italian-sourced 3.0-liter V-6 and eight-speed automatic transmission, for the segment fuel-economy victory. Whether or not the F-150 diesel (which may or may not be called a baby Power Stroke) will debut with the face-lifted F-150 series is uncertain (see last photo below), but it should come equipped with the new 10-speed automatic jointly developed with GM and going into the 2017 F-150 and Raptor. We expect to get our first chance to drive it next year."
Most people want a pick up that gets god mileage and that is not either Ecoboost engine.
not the numbers the Ram 3.0 EcoD is making anyway! Again good for Ford and I have to say I'm happy to see Ford phas pusked it back to 2018. That is when the New 1500 Ram comes out it will be interesting to see what each brings to the market.
Great job on Fords part! Off hand I don't remember who is building the 10 speed Ford or GM but they are going to sell a ton of them. I'm waiting for Ford to bring out their 3.0 diesel in the F-150 with that 10 speed. I bet that is going to out sell the Eco-boost and end up killing those engines in Ford F-150. Time will tell.
As for the cost of a half ton truck, the people buying fully loaded pick-ups are using them (for the most part) as their primary mode of transportation. As others have said, you don't have to pay $65K to $74K on a LD truck if you don't want to. Then add in the $7K to
$10K off on half ton trucks and it is all relative.
GM and FCA had better bring it with their next full remodel if they want to stay in the LD pick up market. Toyota and Nissan's pick ups are going to be all but done in North America I think.
I'm the odd ball........
I do oil and all filter changes at 5000 miles.
Cause I run them hard but don't abuse them.
Last car......sold it with 300K
Last truck....sold it with 180K (F150 5.4L gasser)
Last motorcycle ....sold it with 80K
Oil and filters are cheap insurance as far as I am concerned
Well if you ever buy a new diesel you won't be doing them ever 5,000 miles! At the cost of full syn and the new filters and oil change can cost you north of $130 with a coupon to $190 without one! I was running 25,000 mile oil changes on my 2004 Ram and according to the lab reports could have gone a lot further on the oil. Always changed out the filter ever 10,000 miles.
Have to say I have never drained them on this or my 2004 CTD. Never found any water during the filter changes either. I change out the fuel filters every 30,000 miles and just bought one for the EcoD to change this weekend.
If I'm driving 50 mph in the right lane of an interstate and the average speed of traffic is 70+ mph, everyone approaching me from behind is going to want to pass me.
If I'm driving 50 mph on a two-lane road and the average speed of traffic is 60+ mph, everyone approaching me from behind is going to want to pass me. (Note: Corrected above paragraph since a two-lane road has no right or left lane.)
The percentage of cars that want to pass me is the same - 100 percent in both cases.
However, passing on a two-lane road requires getting in a lane where you could encounter oncoming traffic as well as traffic entering or leaving at intersections. Passing on an interstate is always done with the flow of traffic and there are no intersections.
I don't believe the only factor involved with safety is the speed differential. I think passing against traffic versus passing with traffic has to factor into the equation.
Consider this: California limits vehicles towing trailers to 55 mph including on their interstates. If I'm on I-5 where the speed limit is 70 and people are driving 75+, I am expected to observe the 55 mph limit for trailers.
Did the state of California make an incredibly unsafe decision when they made this law?
If you are driving in the far left lanes on any California highway towing anything you will be ticketed won't you? Trucks or vehicles towing a trailer are limited to the right two lanes right?