I think it's great to have more choices.
Also, the crew cab of the Titan is very spacious. Friend of mine has a pop-up truck camper on it and loves it.
Never a lack of power on it. It is a bit thirsty with the 5.6 gas motor, which he complains about sometimes.
Truck is looking a bit dated however. They need to do a redesign.
As for the Detroit corporate thing. I agree completely that idiotic managers can ruin good companies. That's probably what happened to Sun.
I gotta tell you, the Cummins would be THE major reason for buying a Dodge.
And now, I'd seriously be looking at a Nissan if I was in the market for a diesel truck. It would depend on the payload ratings, I guess, and the fuel economy.
No one is getting snippy. this question comes up all the time. The simple facts are this:
Axle ratings are for one single component.
You did not engineer the truck (whole package) so how can you emphatically state that the only difference is the springs?
The assembler of the truck ( Ford, GM or Dodge)are the ones who designed the product to do a specific job. That truck is certified to the federal government that it will perform within certain criteria up to the full weight as specified on the door post. There is nothing YOU or anyone else can do to alter that simple fact.
Listening to all these engineering experts on the forums telling you that it is fine to load beyond that limit is just plane foolish. If you were to God forbid get into a serious accident while doing what they advocate and who is going to be left holding the bag? YOU, not them.
If in fact it were true that they are the same except for ......, what motive would manufacturers have to carry the excess inventory to make a 3/4 and one ton trucks? Why not simply build one truck size? Remember inventory costs money.
Unless your an engineer for one of the big three, and so far there is only one person on this forum who says he was, then you have no more expertise to make decisions than the man in the moon.
It doesn't take an engineer to realize that SRW 2500 series and 3500 series trucks have very little differences between them.
They are not different chassis, because it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for GM to engineer separate 3/4 ton and 1 ton chassis.
Thus, they are slight variations on each other. A 2500 HD and a 3500 HD SRW have very little differences between them. Mostly slightly an extra leaf on a 3500 and maybe different spring rates.
Axles and wheels are the same or vastly similar. Why? Because GM is trying to save money, and re-use components. There is no point in designing an entire new axle with 500 lbs less capacity for a 2500 series truck.
The OP has a fine truck for most applications. There is no need to buy a new truck for the camper that he proposed to have on it.
That sticker in the glove box assumes all seating positions are occupied, so if it's just him and the wife, he should give himself another 600 lbs of capacity at least.
We all have to wait for the EPA #'s but I think you all are in for a surprise. See what a 3.0 Diesel Sprinter gets for MPG. That's the closest we have as weight and aerodynamics are comparable.
The Sprinter is 95" tall, while a Dodge ram is 75.2" tall, and the Jeep Grand Cherokee is 68.1" tall without a roof rack.
Frontal area wind resistance increases with the square of the area at about 62 mph, so the Sprinter has a greater frontal area to push against the wind.
It also uses a different engine, whereas the Jeep has the same engine.
I think the Jeep comparison is more realistic. I agree the the "official" numbers will be more interesting, but the EPA overshoots anyway, as do manufacturers as well.
You might be interested in the real fuel mileage numbers of the 3.0 diesel.
"Jeep pegs the rear-drive EcoDiesel at 22 mpg city/30 highway; opting for four driven wheels sacrifices 1 mpg in the city and 2 mpg on the highway." - direct quote from the following article.
Base curb weight for the Grand Cherokee is 4725 for the heaviest model.
For a regular cab Ram 1500 2WD, base curb weight is 4909 lbs. Those were the models that were the closest together.
So, for the 2WD Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 diesel, fuel economy is quoted at 22 city/30 hwy.
Regular cab 2WD Ram is pretty much the same weight, so it will get pretty close to that mileage.
That's a 30 mpg highway mileage potential 1500 class truck. That's 30% better fuel economy than any other product on the market, and a gas V6 (23 mpg-ish), does NOT have 420 ft-lbs of torque. If that isn't a game changer for fuel economy, I don't know what is.
Increased fuel economy is money in your pocket at the end of the day. End of story.
Let's say you tow 8k lbs going to your favorite campground, subtract 10 mpg, that's 20 mpg towing (possibly). On a 1000 mile trip, that's 30 % better fuel economy.
Hard to argue with those numbers, but I'm sure some will try.
9200 lbs with 1520 lbs payload are perfectly fine numbers in a half-ton truck.
Couple that with at predicted combined (city+highway) fuel economy of 25 mpg, and you have a unique, best in class product.
Kudos to the Dodge Ram designers for making such a compelling product.
It's the first product on the market in probably 4 years that I've deemed worthy of seriously looking at.
I'll be going for a test drive as soon as it is available.
The mpg ratings for a diesel 2.8 L Cummins powered Nissan Titan are 26 mpg combined city/highway, which imply 30 mpg highway, using the same transmission as the Ram 1500.
So, real world numbers. Granted, it's a research test mule. But Chrysler has to already know those numbers, as I'm sure Cummins has made them aware of them, since they have a longstanding contract with them.
According to multiple sources, city mpg will be 23 mpg, and highway mpg will be below 30, but obviously above the 23 mpg for the city.
Towing performance will be at least equal to the Hemi powered Ram 1500, which is easily rated at 10k lbs.
To me, that's pretty revolutionary. It isn't for everybody, but if you need a truck that can do a decent commute to work, at a good mpg, and you need to tow an ~8k-ish trailer on a regular basis, or a decent sized boat, it looks pretty compelling.
Now, if they only came out with it in a Megacab version !!! That would be awesome !
but ricatic cannot do it without constantly hurling insults, using ridiculous rhetoric, and si lly innuendo about those of us who are perfectly satisfied with our Ford products and have gotten good support from Ford.
Unfortunately, that is exactly the problem for me. I don't think anyone should shoot the messenger, because they don't like the message. Actually, I did find value in the message. But when it now includes all the bull, innuendo, rhetoric, name calling, and mis-information, and it keeps comin, comin, comin, and coming, the messenger gets tiresome. And really irritating. And when that happens, I think the messenger has a problem. And when that line is crossed, the messenger is no longer useful for me. And it makes me wonder if the message, was really all that accurate. I do believe it was...but it makes you wonder....just the same.
I am truly sorry ricactic can't get over his situation. Says he is helping others. He is the one that may need help. Obvious to me he just wants to hurt Ford every chance he gets.
Any "innuendo, bull, rhetoric" that is allegedly included is simply a figment of the reader's imagination.
Let me give you a hypothetical example.
If I tell you that "dollars suck", you would automatically think that I am "anti-dollar", that I "don't like dollars" and that I'm trying to irritate you.
That's entirely a figment of YOUR BRAIN, the reader's imagination.
I would just be merely stating facts as I see it. Not trying to be irritating. The fact that you might find it irritating is due to your own biases and opinions, or to the fact that you happen to "have" some dollars.
Replace that statement with "Ford HPOP sucks", and of course it will irritate anybody that has a Ford.
I happen to know Ricatic is a fine, upstanding member of this forum, and of a few other forums which I frequent. I don't find him irritating or demeaning or as having any sort of problem.
In fact, I think he has done the tow vehicle and RV community a great service. He is very knowledgeable and thorough.
And, the fact that Ford has previously lied about exceeding cylinder pressures on the 6.0 engine speaks volumes about their truthfulness in other areas as well.
It's obviously a convertible truck/sailboat design.
Notice the mast.
The ladder is for the owner to climb into it.
Probably saves money on gas too, once you raise up the mast.
Definitely room there for a couple of chicks in bikinis.
Yaaar Matey !
Get a 360 degree car camera system and dvr. They are really coming down in price.
I always have my cell phone camera on me, and take pictures of the license plates of people parked around me. I then delete the pictures a few days later, or after I've inspected the car.
Oh, and always carry a hammer in the trunk, just in case it's needed...
Since the compression ratio for diesel is on the order of 14-16:1 on the up-stroke of the piston, in order to compress the diesel fuel and air mixture to self-ignite (no spark plug), the corresponding down-stroke of the piston has more power driving it.
Thus, the balancing of the crankshaft is different, to counteract the forces of the down-stroke.
Thus, more rotating mass and more angular velocity on the crankshaft, heavier components, more durability.
People have real need for that torque that the diesel engine can provide.
You get more torque per revolution of the crankshaft, thus more efficiency, on top of the diesel being a more energy dense fuel than gasoline.
Lower rpms, more torque, higher efficiency = market demand.
It's not for everybody. You have to figure out your own needs and balance the costs involved.
Efficiency is not free, despite what most "greenies" would have you believe.
Here ya go...read this one. 4200 miles on the truck, warranty denied by Ford.
How about the latest episode from the FTE soap opera.
The ending is not pretty.
Best of luck. If you buy a Ford 6.7 diesel, you're going to need it, regardless of how many receipts you keep, run lubricity additive, frequent a "known good" station, and rub a rabbit's foot every day.
It's your word against the dealer's. Who do you think Ford is gonna go with?
Hint: it's not the truck's owner, it's the dealer's owner. They're worth more money, quite likely.
The attitude of some companies with their paying customers speaks volumes about what they consider important. It will come back to haunt them, eventually.
Japanese to American. No brainer if you ask me.
Your Ram is actually Italian now. Majority of Chrysler is owned by Fiat. No brainer if you ask me.
Yep. No brainer.
You can have a red Italian 4-door sports car that carries 4-5 people, burns diesel and can tow 12k+ lbs with a pin weight of 2000+ lbs.
All powered by a Cummins, Made in USA engine, burning recycled dinosaur diesel.
Ain't life grand ?
It's a no brainer.