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RE: What the UK "B" makers do with the Ducato
What would need to be learned by Winnebago and other US upfitters will be the small details and tweaking floor plans, inch by inch. They won't be able to copy directly European floorplans because of the need for a generator and AC
They can be inspired by them though.The Australian AirCommander system has just been introduced into the US.
Australian Aircommand being distributed by Attwood Industries
Australian AirCommander in US.
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RobertRyan
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05/15/13 04:35am |
Class B - Camping Van Conversions
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RE: With the E-series going away, what for future Cs?
The fact that larger RVs are available in Europe does not refute the fact that FWD works because the FWD motorhomes are small.
But larger Motorhomes 27-29ft are FWD in Europe and to a certain extent here. Yes you have smaller Motohomes based on FWD but up to 30ft can be built on FWD.
This is FWD Motorhome
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/616/hymeralps.jpg
So is this 27ft Ducato
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/RobRyan7/Jaycotowingcar.jpg
30ft Burstner Elegance built on the FWD Ducato
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3037/burstnewelegancebb.jpg
Not in the US (linky):
The gasser will get a Chrysler 62TE, which is a hydraulic auto transmission.
The diesel model will be the Fiat MT-40 which is a completely manual transmission (no "D"), except doesn't use a clutch pedal.
No AMT offerings. Hopefully I'm wrong or misreading something.
It is a AMT They work better with a longer chassis.
with Chrysler’s engine and transmission joining Fiat’s 3-liter four-cylinder diesel and an MT-40 automated manual transmission
Original is at 2014 Model-Year Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep Cars, Trucks, and Minivans http://www.allpar.com/history/chrysler-years/C21/2014/#ixzz2TLzsSZVk
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Should be more than one suitable offering i.e Ford for 30ft Motorhomes.
What you have in Australia does not have much to do with where the market might go in the U.S., particularly if the current EPA schedule for reduction in fuel consumption holds, and exceptions are not made for niche markets like RVs.
Well the market in the US is absorbing more Euro Vans i.e Promaster, Transit and Sprinter. So there is similarities there. Reduction in fuel consumption is part of the Agenda here as well.
Latest news Nissans smaller Vans will be rebadged Chevrolet.
Chevrolet to get rebadged Nissan Vans
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RobertRyan
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05/15/13 03:30am |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: With the E-series going away, what for future Cs?
They can put amy size C they WANT on an F series truck.
My point.You can run a F550 base with any size of Motorhome on it. I think in the future it they will be diesel engines not Gas.
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 02:36pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: With the E-series going away, what for future Cs?
don't see the market for US-style C's, 24 to 30+ feet and 14,000+ GVWRs,
I would disagree with that. We have now 26ft NORMAL C's based on Euro based Cab Chassis. As well 31ft Class C's based on light Japanese Trucks. Class C's are restricted to roughly 30-31ft here(Caravan park camping) as far as GVWR/GCVWR the sky is the limit for the base donor vehicles are numerous.(i.e 20,000lb towing)
FWD and small engines work in Europe because the motorhomes on those chassis aren't any heavier, and not much taller or wider, than our full-size SUVs. About 30% larger than our minivans.
Neither is that the case. Depends on who builds them. The maximum GVWR of a Ducato is 11,000lb. The IVECO Daily powered Concorde Liner has a GVWR of 15,000lb a Payload of 3000lb and a towing capacity of a 5000lb with a Automatic.
http://guialomejordelmundo.com/imagenes/ct9/16532Concorde%20Liner-1_3.jpg
Ducato/Pormaster is FWD. Not way would you be able to pull a 30'+ coach up any sort of a grade without madly spinning the tires.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/616/hymeralps.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 01:38pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: With the E-series going away, what for future Cs?
1: The Transit chassis. Decent in Europe, but I don't know if it has the ability to handle a 31 foot C's weight. At least the EcoBoost V6 does come close to the V10's torque output, but horsepower may need some help.
2: The Dodge ProMaster (i.e. the Fiat Ducato.) Most European Cs are on this chassis. However, few in the US would buy a manual-only diesel, and a small V6 is just not going to do the job of a V10 unless some form of enhanced aspiration (turbocharger, supercharger) is used.
The Transit No the best is about 26ft Maximum. The Ecoboost under load would drink like a fish, fine for producing the power in a short duty cycle Pickup, not a Motorhome. I think the F450/F550 will become your larger C bases(No indication they are getting rid of them, Gas engines could become diesel only in the future)
The Promaster or Ducato has a Automated Manual Transmission or AMT . This acts like an Automatic with default clutchless manual changes. Has a tow/haul and hill descent modes. The Promaster is limited too roughly 27ft with parallel duallys and a 11,000lb GVWR.
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 01:26pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: Towing with a class c?
In Europe you have quite a few Vans and Class C's pulling Caravans
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6694/detlefthspullingcaravan.jpg
Here it is small or medium sized SUV's. Class C Motorhome towing a small CUV.
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3323/jaycodailytowing.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 02:53am |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: Off-road capable RVs
if you plan on off road or bad road the TC with 4wd is the way to go
Plenty of those here as well.
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1844/wombatcampercrossingcre.jpg
http://www.wombatco.com.au/files/4113/1530/5371/P1000604.jpg
Unconventional TC's
http://www.adventurecampers.com.au/images/traytop_pix/17.jpg
http://www.adventurecampers.com.au/images/traytop_pix/16.jpg
http://www.adventurecampers.com.au/images/traytop_pix/20.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 01:06am |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: What the UK "B" makers do with the Ducato
I didn't see any airconditioners and only one awning. Even the orange van with outside tv had no awning. Maybe those are options.
You guessed it. Airconditioners and Awnings are optional. Then again many have "Add a room" Awnings. Unlike Australian B's there are no electric drop down beds.
European Class B and Class C's do not sell well here, as they do not have the breadth of options and materials ,you get here. Built on the same or similar Motorhome bases but do not tick the boxes.
but Winnebago could learn from these vans and probably has
These are definitely a step up from Winnebago's first effort on the Ducato, but a lot more can be down.
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RobertRyan
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05/14/13 12:35am |
Class B - Camping Van Conversions
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RE: Off-road capable RVs
It seems the only real OFF-ROAD RV trailers come from Australia. They certainly have some very rugged units.
Roy what you are showing is an Off Road Campertrailer.
Over 100 manufacturers in Australia here is a listing, does not include all.
Australian Camper Trailer Manufacturers
Out of a lot that do look the same you do get some different ones.
GT Camper
http://www.gtcampers.com.au/images/models/big_pic_hilux.jpg
http://www.gtcampers.com.au/images/models/gtcampers_hilux_model.jpg
Innovan campers
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7987/innovan.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2536/innovancampers.jpg
Same Company that makes the kimberley Karavan
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/677/kimberleykaravaninwater.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5349/kimberleykamper1.jpg
Also makes these
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8176/kimberleykaravantrailer.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9127/kimberleykruiser.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/13/13 02:58am |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Lance truck campers TPO Nose construction
I think the video said Azdel was a USA product. In any case, looks to be an improvement especially with weight.
It is actually Korean. A Lot of it is made in Korea as well as elsewhere. We get a lot of composites from Korea and Japan.
Hanwha Azdel Inc. manufactures high-performance thermoplastic composites designed for both interior and exterior applications across many different industries. Major segments served include automotive, heavy truck, recreational vehicles, industrial, and other transportation applications. Hanwha Azdel, Inc. is an affiliate of Hanwha Living & Creative (L&C) Corporation, which is a division of Hanwha Corporation, a major Korean company with 30,000 employees worldwide.
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RobertRyan
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05/13/13 02:46am |
Truck Campers
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RE: Lance truck campers TPO Nose construction
And...AZDEL a replacement for Luan.... I would pay as much as $3000 to have the "skin" on my 2003 truck camper replace with the replacement that Lance (and Others?) have come up with.
Those Asian sourced composites are common here as well for all sorts of RV construction.
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RobertRyan
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05/12/13 03:49pm |
Truck Campers
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RE: Truck camping on othe beach
Quite Common here ,as Australia has a staggering number of beaches. I would think a F250 would be appropriate, but the Asian sourced diesel Pickups we have here are a base load F250 in carrying capacity. Extra axle added to bring them up to F350 capacity.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8164/islandcamper2.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6776/islandcamper4.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9523/islandcamper3.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7302/islandcampers7.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/11/13 04:16pm |
Truck Campers
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AVIDA's(Formerly Aust Winnie) View Sized Motorhome.
Based on the IVECO Daily rather than the Mercedes Sprinter this 26ft medium sized Motorhome is becoming their best seller.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7203/avidaesperance3.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8504/avidaesperance4.jpg
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1184/avidaesperance5.jpg
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/510/avidaesperance6.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/10/13 02:06am |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: First Ram Promaster van class B
Here's the spec sheet and floor plan. Note: this is still pre-production so there may be changes.
This Class C version has a GVWR of 11,000lbs is 26ft long and has a payload of 2640lb.
http://liveimages.editorial.carsales.com.au/caravancamping/general/editorial/ge5523396064674642326.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/09/13 12:38am |
Class B - Camping Van Conversions
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RE: European Caravan with Slide has water leaks
Not to go too off topic but man looking at those pictures I thought a lot of our tt's were low to the ground. Wow
They are pulled mainly by diesel cars in Europe. Some Vans and SUV's but mainly cars.
Their payloads look awfully light when you look at the the specifications, but they include many items that a US TT would not.
The most surprising thing is they CAN go off Road even with that low ride height.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/RobRyan7/AdriaMobilOffRoad2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/RobRyan7/AdriaMobilOffRoad.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/07/13 04:57pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: European Caravan with Slide has water leaks
Where does it say US made? Read the news release which states: The current European economic meltdown means production still is in the US. What is news for me the Company expects to build a European type Caravan for the US and Canada?
http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/caravan-shows/eterniti-caravans-reveals-prices-and-pictures-of-new-slide-out-range-$21380923.htm
The Eterniti range has been built in the Goshen, Indiana in the USA, using the German-made BPW chassis, but the resulting tourer will still be road legal for towing in the UK.
Furthermore, Eterniti plan to move all production to the UK as soon as possible, in order to keep their costs down
http://www.rvbusiness.com/2012/10/new-indiana-company-debuts-u-k-trailer-line/
Eterniti Caravans, with operations in Goshen, Ind., is set to launch a new line of towable RVs at the Oct. 16-21 NEC Motorhome and Caravan Show in Birmingham, England, according to a press release
He noted, “We began the prototyping process here at the Goshen location last year and quickly realized that to maintain the look, touch and feel of the European styling we needed to manufacture the final product in Europe. We still plan to produce for the United States and Canadian markets out of our Goshen facility, but haven’t set any dates for a product launch. Many have tried to produce and ship overseas to different markets and I’m sure have had some success, however our plan is to build specific to each market and become a well-known global brand.”
Last year, Phil Daniels, Managing Director of Pontefract, Yorkshire-based Eterniti Steels, partnered with US-based Eterniti RV to launch a new line of caravans in the United Kingdom. Known as “Eterniti Caravans” these Anglo-American travel trailers will be offered with an integrated slide out – a relatively new innovation for British built caravans – and four different floor plans plans (MSRP ranges from £21,995-£24,995). The Inos caravan – launched by Britain’s Denbighshire-based Fifth Wheel Company Ltd – also incorporates a two foot deep (3 square metre) slide out which is priced from £36,000.
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RobertRyan
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05/07/13 04:14pm |
Travel Trailers
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European Caravan with Slide has water leaks
This maybe not news to a lot of people ,but the new English Caravan maker Eterniti has found its US made Slideout has water leaks.
Eterniti said it had brought in experts from the USA to solve a leaking issue in the company’s latest ‘eazzzzyslide’ slide-out. The solution was to replace the “smooth shiny GRP” used for the slide-out roof with the same TOP material found on the caravan roof, which provided a better surface to encourage water run-off.
Eterniti Caravan slide has water leaks.
http://liveimages.editorial.carsales.com.au/caravancamping/general/editorial/ge4618123825002362715.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/07/13 12:27am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Australian Winnebago Now Avida releases new Large C
How would they work on the motor-looks like a cab over, I wonder how they tilt the cab???
Rick
They do not. They have an Engine access hatch.
All steel construction. High tensile steel used for cab underframe.
Single cab:
Manual cab tilt to 45° with torsion bar assistance.
Crew cab/Engine access hatch:
Fixed cab mounting.
• Complies with ECE-R29 cab strength standard
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RobertRyan
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05/06/13 09:32pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: Australian Winnebago Now Avida releases new Large C
http://liveimages.editorial.carsales.com.au/caravancamping/general/editorial/ge5640351825156500479.jpg
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RobertRyan
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05/06/13 08:16pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: Australian Winnebago Now Avida releases new Large C
OMG... a washing machine too.
Notice the spice rack. Motorhome does have a diesel heater"Diesel furnace heater" as well as reverse cycle aircondtioning. Similarities with the current model Winnebago reappear. Still Avida did have it first and has been on older models.
"Avida's unique roof mounted ducted air conditioning system
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RobertRyan
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05/06/13 08:09pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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