I think it is easier to remove the toilet and put it on your work bench. Mine is a 1996 after doing all the simple things like cleaning the groove,treating the seal it still would not hold water. What I found was a lot of mineral build up from hard water on the under side of the blade and it's encasement, after scraping the build up off,and cleaning the seal with a tooth brush them wiping with Vaseline, I reassembled it and it has held water for the last 2 years. With all that build up a new seal would have still leaked. If you turn the toilet upside down it is very easy to see how it comes apart.
I haven't pulled it yet. I really should because the tanks are all still dry from winterizing and de-plumbing the unit last December, and clean as a whistle.
Your post here has inspired me to not worry with getting the correct seal kit, and to just pull it and get acquainted with the mechanics of R & Ring it myself - and scraping the surfaces of the knife/slider valve. It just looks perhaps too involved for me to get it back together right again.
It works fine - except doesn't hold water but for less than a minute - so, the odors come into the unit. Ugh.
What would an approximate MPG be on a 27ft Class C with a Ford 450 diesel? I realize there are many variables. Thanks in advance.Depends on what year E450 Ford diesel engine. From all the reading and reports from those particular Ford diesel owners - the consensus is as follows: The 7.3 PSD yields a solid 10 to 10.5 mpg, and the 6.0 PSD yields a solid 11 to 12 mpg on the highway mostly driving of them. I'm not up on the 6.4 PSD or even if the 6.7 PSD is even installed in the E450s nowadays.
24 hours is the time limit on any car, truck, RV in front of your home on the street without it moving. You have to move it then, after 24 hours. That's where the law becomes murky.
No one is allowed to spend the night on the street in the RV, anywhere in most cities, and of course here too.
The OP asked a legitimate question and one I asked on this same forum many years ago when I purchased my first motor home. Why people feel compelled to respond with a 50% discount suggestion is beyond my comprehension.
A fifty percent discount on a new current year Tiffin is not a reasonable offer nor would it be reasonable for a new year old unit. As a salesman, I would walk away from a customer that seriously started with those numbers and consider them to be a waste of time.
A good question has been asked and deserves a reasonable response corresponding to real world purchases and or offers to sell from dealers.
A couple months ago, at the GS Rally in Phoenix, the salesman of a 2015 American offered us a 48% discount on their brand new coach...so, sorry to disagree with you but I believe a 50% discount is a good place to start negotiations....BTW, my coach was only a year old and I received a 42% discount out the door....Dennis
Getting almost a -50% off discount rate on a brand new coach, kinda shoots down that old dealer line of 25% to 30% max. discount, Dennis. :W :B
50% discount is NOT unreasonable if the coach is way overpriced to begin with.Correct!
Some of the high-end custom coaches have a 50%+ margin built-in, in the first place!
Negotiating is a must especially when buying a new unit.
I wouldn't buy any Daimler product (or any European car for that matter).
No thank you!
You re going from German Owners to Italian
No....I`m talking about the vehicles.
I`ve worked on German cars. expensive and a PITA to work on!
And I`ve never said Italian was better, just that you couldn`t give me a German car!I've been working on Mercedes-Benz diesels for over 25 years. They're much easier to work on than any American branded cars or trucks. Their parts aren't any more pricey than the Japanese parts, but made much better than either Asian, or American brands. Once you fix them, they stay fixed too!
When we bought our travel trailer through CW we were treated quite well. When we went to pick up the trailer 10 days later it was a whole other story. But that seems to be the case with many, many dealers -- sales is wonderful, and then everything falls apart when dealing with service.
We've just purchased a new motorhome from a large dealership. Before buying we cleared with the manufacturer that we could take the rig to an independent service shop, and that our warranty would be honored.
Doing your homework ahead of time seems to help. Knowing what our options were made all the difference when we got our new rig, and so far we've been more than pleased.Thanks for the experience related here.
With the Internet, it's pretty easy to get to the bottom line when pricing a unit out. What I won't do is pay more for the same unit, from a dealer that tells you that they're trying to charge more than other dealers sell the same unit for. With Camping World, I know that I am buying from a firm that will stand behind their products, unlike the rank and file dealers, so, with locations coast-to-coast, I know I'll be taken care of after the sale too. The icing on the cake will be getting the best price too from Camping World!
Hello Skid Row Joe,
Thank you for your question. The best resource for your concern is to visit your Local Camping World and speak with the sales manager about what you want and what discounts they can offer you. You can always go online to campingworld.com and find the phone number of the closest stores to you and comparison shop each of the dealerships.
Let us know if you any additional questions.
Rudy....Camping World Response Team member.
I'll definitely give Camping World the opportunity to win my order for a new coach. Thanks for the response.
All Thetford toilets are Aqua Magic- the exact model is needed to get the right seal. The AM IV is dead easy to replace- don't even need to remove the toilet.
Others are not at all easy :)What's an "AM IV" ?
That's Aqua Magic IV- there's Aqua Magic V, Aqua Magic Bravura, Aqua Magic Style, Aqua Magic Style II. You can see the lineup here.
OK, so my AM IV (if that's what I have, circa 2002...) I just reach down and R & R the seal by hand from the top?
Anybody know a reliable and cheap Internet- based source for these seals? PPL in Houston, maybe?? I tried a CW store and they didn't know which set of seals to sell me.
Other than my sheets and comforter and duve', I like the John Steinbeck fulltiming method. Especially since my rig doesn't have the dedicated space for a W/D - Splendide or stacked units. It would be nice to have a WD on-board, IMO. :)
Will Camping World order one from Winnebago to my specifications, and beat the best price available from any other Winnebago Motorhome dealer?
I was present at a Camping World Supercenter a few months ago when a new Winnebago was being detailed for it's new owners that had just bought it for pick up.
I just want to be assured of getting the best available price, is why I ask.
Looks like a lot of input from Australia in it's development, similar to the Global Ranger, which was developed here
MERCEDES-BENZ will target Australia and New Zealand’s lucrative light-commercial vehicle market with confirmation it will build a mid-size utility that will undergo testing Down Under.
The German manufacturer said in a statement that the pick-up will be the first vehicle of its kind from a premium brand, providing yet another option in Australia’s profit-making and highly competitive light-commercial ute segment.
Timing is still unclear, but it is believed the German-branded truck is at least two years away from launch, potentially giving it a 2018 on-sale date.
The workhorse will fall under the Mercedes-Benz Vans sub-brand that includes the Vito, Viano and forthcoming V-Class due mid-year, and it is unlikely it will be produced in Europe, instead it could be sourced from a Benz factory in South America or South Africa.
Mercedes-Benz Vans managing director Diane Tarr said the company was “excited” to be developing a vehicle that offers versatility, comfort, design and safety of a Benz passenger car, and highlighted the Australian involvement.
“We have been working on this project for a number of years and Australia and New Zealand have been an integral part of the program from the very beginning,” she said. “We will be conducting product testing in Australia over the next couple of years.”
Mercedes-Benz Australia/Pacific senior manager public relations, product and corporate communications David McCarthy told GoAuto that Benz’s local arm has been involved in development of the as-yet unnamed utility for some time.
“We have been involved in terms of discussion about specification, variants, engines, drivetrains, all of that right from the start for the last couple of years,” he said.
“There has been a lot of market research done in Australia. Obviously though it’ s early days, but we feel pretty comfortable that what’s going to come here will be very salable and very competitive and I think we will actually surprise quite a few people.”
Benz has not revealed any information about the mechanicals and underpinnings of the pick-up, and it is unclear whether it will be based on an existing Mercedes-Benz Vans platform or all-new underpinnings.
There is also no word on whether Benz will extend its plug-in hybrid powertrain roll-out to the ute.
An official sketch image of the ute gives an impression of what it could look like when it arrives later in the decade, with the front-end carrying styling cues from the current Benz range.
As well as Australia and New Zealand, Benz says other target markets include Europe, South Africa and South America, with North America set to miss out given the smaller size of the ute compared with larger US-centric offerings such as the Chevrolet Silverado, Ford F-Series and Dodge Ram.
Mr McCarthy was unable to go into detail about the Australian testing and development program Ms Tarr announced, but he highlighted the “strong relationship” MBAP has with Mercedes global, as well as some of its local engineering projects.
“Australia is an important market. Whether it’s AMG, Freightliner, MB Trucks, Fuso, we have a voice in Germany.
“There is a lot of local engineering going on with the military G-Wagon. Obviously we have got the project, albeit small scale, where there are G-Wagons being sold into the state government of Victoria for fire-fighting use. And that has had a lot of local input.
“So the relationship is very good and strong. We understand the market, and accordingly they listen.”
A number of major car-makers use Australia to put new models through their paces ahead of a wider global launch.
Ford Australia was the lead design and engineering studio for the Ranger ute and related Everest, GM Holden has tested global models such as the Chevrolet Spark/Opel Karl, while Mitsubishi’s next-gen Challenger is currently undergoing testing in South Australia.
Mr McCarthy would not discuss pricing and positioning for the Benz ute, but added that the product would be strong enough to add volume to Mercedes’ already growing sales tally.
“The market for this vehicle is pretty broad. I am not going to say where it is going to start and where it is going to finish, but suffice to say we have got some pretty ambitious targets for it so it needs to be right and it needs to be suited for the local market.
“European utes are obviously different to Asian utes and the home-grown utes. I am not worried about what the competitors are doing and what they have coming, we are going to have a better product.”
An obvious rival is Volkswagen’s German-built Amarok, which is seen as a more high-end alternative to the Thai-built utes such as HiLux and Ranger.
The Amarok starts at $31,490, plus on-road costs, for the 4x2 dual-cab TDI340and tops out with the 4x4 TDI420 Ultimate at $65,290.
Last year in Australia, 17.8 per cent of all new-vehicle sales were made up of light-commercial vehicles, with four-wheel drive versions taking a 12 per cent slice of the market.
Pick-up sales have grown significantly in the past decade, with 175,373 4x4 and 4x2 utilities sold last year, representing an increase of almost 38,000 units compared with the 137,990 tally from 2004.
The fiercely competitive segment has been dominated by the Toyota HiLux for many years, but Ford’s Australian developed and designed Ranger has been making gains and was the sixth best-selling vehicle in Australia last year with 26,619 units, behind the third-placed HiLux with 38,126.
The LCV sector is heating up in 2015, with a facelifted Ranger arriving in July, the new Mitsubishi Triton launching in May and the Nissan Navara following in the third quarter. Toyota’s all-new HiLux is expected either later this year or early next year.
Several other car-makers are planning, or rumoured to be developing utilities that will end up on the Australian market, with French car-maker Renault deep into a business case for a workhorse, while American SUV specialist Jeep is also said to be planning a pick-up.
Fiat looks set to offer a ute based on the forthcoming Mitsubishi Triton, but it is unclear whether this is for emerging or developed markets.
I'd say it's already a dated look if that's an 2018 model. Better choice is to buy a full-sized Japanese PU truck.
I do my laundry like John Steinbeck did in his non-fiction book; "Travels With Charlie" in his truck camper. I fill the 3.5 Gal. bucket with clothes needing washed, add some laundry detergent, fill with water in the floor of the coach shower, stir it up and let it soak for hours and even driving on your trip for hours too, before rinsing with water and hanging the clothes on white plastic hangers, first in the shower stall to drip first, then around the interior where they can finish air-drying.
Okay, so today I did my first ever inspection on a private sale RV that I was seriously considering buying. It was 1989 Toyota Dolphin, 4 cylinder, new transmission, only 75 K miles, for just under $10,000 firm. The thing had had "6 thousand" dollars worth of repairs done in the past by a previous owner. New paint job (well done), new transmission, new flooring (wood laminate), lots of resealing done everywhere/around the cab(but could tell there was a little rust in one corner from exterior), new roof ac, maybe even a new interior ceiling too. The inside was beautiful, very clean, no bad smells. Floor was solid, interior roof was solid for the most part, except for maybe in a few small areas. Pretty much, you could tell the entire RV had had a ton of expensive/serious work done to it. Current owner however had only owned the RV for a month before she decided to sell it because she decided RVing "wasnt for her".
However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?
Overall, it was a very informative experience I'd say, and I am just a little closer to owning an RV.
No way I'd pay over $1,000 for that, if I wanted it, and I do not.
You dodged a very big, and expensive bullet not buying it.
Own a class C E450 ford frame with the dual 16" wheels in the rear. pulled into campground and the "clicking" sound was very pronouncd at the low speed. At first thought it was a stone in tire but haven,t found any as yet. The sound appears to be consistant with one revolution of the tire.
Any suggestions or advise is appeciated.
It's probably one of your wheel covers making the sound you're hearing.
Hello, I'm new to the forum and thought I should introduce myself.
I'm Brandon and live in St Paul, Minnesota with my wife Mandy and our 2 dogs.
We just bought a used1978 Chevy Itasca 21ft RV through private party sale.
It has a 400ci v8 that starts right up and runs smoothly, the entire rig has 84,000 miles on it and had been garaged in the Minnesota winters by both prior owners.
I'll be taking it in for a pre travel check on pretty much everything mechanical, including water and LP systems. I know the 3 way refrigerator probably needs to be replaced, as it only marginally cools and replacement parts aren't made anymore for this old Magnavox model from what I've heard. Roof top AC blows cold, and furnace blows hot as they should, I haven't tried the hot water tank, but I was told that it does it's job. It has the optional cab AC unit that does what its supposed to do. Everything seem to be pretty great, and it feels like I found a gem.
Has anyone out there owned one of these, and maybe have some info to pass along? Everything is appreciated! We'll be making our first trip in August.
Need pictures, inside, outside, and under the hood, please?
I read this on the Phoenix Cruiser forum and asked the author if I could share it here of which he was eager to share including his name.
For you who pondered buying a Phoenix Cruiser, you might find this of great interest.
We bought our PC 8 years ago and these kinds of stories keep getting written by others.
Hi to all.
This is my first post on this forum. I have been lurking around here for the past year gathering information for our next motorhome purchase.
I would like to thank you all for the information that you have supplied. This forum has a wealth of knowledge.
This post is directed to those that are uncertain about the Phoenix Cruiser in general or about buying factory direct.
My wife and I have owned every type of RV that is out there. Last year we sold our Monaco Class A diesel pusher because we wanted to downsize and get something that was more manageable and easier to drive.
Last May we took at trip to the factory. Unfortunately we arrived late in the afternoon as they were trying to close up. Earl was kind enough to give us a quick factory tour, show us several completed units and even let us test drive a 3100.
During the past year I did extensive RV research planning our next purchase. Everything I looked into always brought me back to PC. They seemed to offer the best value for the dollar in the areas that we were interested in.
So, last week we finally got a break in the weather and decided to return to the factory to see if we could finally make some kind of decision. We live in southwest Montana, this is not an easy undertaking this time of year.
We met with Earl who gave us another quick tour of the facility. He then turned us loose to roam freely throughout the factory and look at anything and talk to anyone we wanted to.
To those unfamiliar with the PC factory, they do not have a dedicated showroom. When we were there they had every model but the 2700, all completed and ready to go. That of course will change constantly. All the models are either inside the factory or in the outside lot. You are allowed to roam freely and spend as much time as you like looking at whatever you like. You can also test drive anything you choose.
We wound up spending two and a half days there. During that time we talked with everyone that worked there. All employees freely gave there opinions and openly talked about the product and the company. They are all long term employees who are happy working there and excited about the products they produce. Happy employees produce a better product. The company did not try to hide anything from us, we were allowed free and open access to all production areas. We came away very impressed with the quality of the motorhomes that they produce, and the people they employ.
Anyone who has purchased an RV knows that normally you go to a dealership, settle on a unit that isn't exactly what you want because you have to take what the manufacturer has produced. You might get to make a selection with colors but, that is usually your only choice
PC is a completely different experience. We wound up ordering a 2910D. When you order you have a lot of control over how your motorhome is designed. We had them move a window, change the design of cabinets and doors, design and add a custom cabinet, move a faucet, design custom window valances and change colors and fabrics. All this at no additional charge.
We found that by going factory direct we were able to design a motorhome just the way we wanted for about the same price of a regular mass produced unit.
I apologize for being so long winded but, I think this could be useful information for those who are a little uneasy about a different way to purchase. If you are at all interested I think it will be worth your time to go to the factory and check it out yourself. We are very happy that we did.
Jim & Wendy
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