Using Dell recovery disk, we ended up w/ a Windows 8.1 only OS -- no factory bloatware.
But no recovery partition on the new hard drive, and the built-in app to create a System backup on a USB stick seems to need the partition.
We can create a 512 recovery boot drive, but we want an image of the system as it is now w/ 24 hours of updates.
Install the new hard drive. Boot the computer using the recovery disk. You may have to manually select the boot device when powering the computer. This is typically done by pressing the F12 key during power-up. Then follow the prompts. This will install Windows on the new drive. Once Windows is installed you then install the drivers from the driver disk.
That is exactly what we needed to know in this situation of a recovery disk and a new empty deive to replace broken drive.
Found all sorts of text posts and videos, but nothing that said what you said very well.
At least a set of instructions could have come w/ the recovery disks from Dell, but I have strong suspicions as to why they do not provide it...
All the videos on the Dell recovery disk for Win 8 seemed to have you making a backup USB or assumed the hard drive was already working. I could find nothing on steps to recover w/ a new blank HD.
So we just put the new HD in and booted the Recovery disk, and voilla, it knew what I needed, and within a few hours, 96 W8 updates were installed, and a lot of personal settings were back via the Windows Store account.
Today we will bring it up to Win 8.1 Update 1, load back all backed up documents, pics, music, apps, etc. Then make a USB backup of all this, which I assume will be able to boot itself in future if another HD crashes.
I sure want to thank all here. This has been so frustrating with so many sources we spoke w/ around town giving different opinions on what we were facing.
BTW, the misinformation I referred to earlier was w/r a host of local computer places w/r how to proceed.
Two disks arrived today from Dell
1) Windows 8 Recovery media for windows 8 products
2) Drivers and utilities
I have the broken hard drive that computer will not recognize AND a new blank hard drive to replace it.
Could someone give me an idea of what I am doing?
I cannot find a video that addresses this entire situation.
How does the recovery disk make an entire OS?
One video says I need a dedicated USB (how big must it be?
Not clear on above 'backup image of OS, or how to proceed like when and how the new (and old, broken) hard drives come into picture.
1775 said "Also - never put your data on your hard drive. Put a USB flash drive in, leave it in, and direct all of your data to folders on that drive. Back up those drives too!"
That's good advice. We pretty much do that on primary personal data.
That is a big reason there was only 1 file we wanted, but for 2 monyhs of working on it, she inexplicably did not back it up. I think it has 2000 members' basic info.
It's your call on this thread...
We hooked Martha's externalUSB backup drive to my old laptop and copied it to her new 64Gb USB flash stick so we backed up the backup.
She knew she had saves 2 separate spreadsheets earlier in the 2 month process, and she found them on the backup drive. This helps a bit, she said.
As I mentioned,we will try to reinstall the OS using our new 500Gb HD and the OS media disks coming from Dell.
25 years of MS PCs w/ hard drives w/o fail, preceeded by 14 years w/ mainframe computers and Atari home PCs...
FWIW I have owned hard drives in PCs since 1989. My 1st was a hard-card I bought for a Kaypro that I used to produce my doctoral dissertation and a steel bridge inelastic analysis program for the Transportation Research Board. I wrote a structural engineering textbook on a 1996 Gateway w/ a 256 Mb HD IIRC.
I am not a 'dummy' unable to move w/o assistance.
What I am in the aspirations of PC producers is a witless boob who is supposed to forego the notion of the 'personal' in PC.
This latest total loss of control of our W8 computer and the data stored thereon has been an eye-opener (which may not mean much to anyone who knows my vision is less than 20/200). I cannot tell you how much misinformation I have encountered in the past 4 days while trying to shake this problem down,
But I have learned that the LAST thing on the minds and hearts of anyone in the PC-industry is my personal ability to manage my own PC.
BB took it in a back alley and returned saying they could not recover any data and to send it off.
Looks like Excel redo. We got a second external backup USB (now I see why you should make 2 backups).
Bought a new 500Gb Seagate laptop HD and await recovery media from Dell.
grrrr! Dell Non-support…NO help except for recovery media everyone used to get w/ new computer anyway
Something I do not understand is if the platter spins and some recovery apps see data files (according to friend) and even that they are sound, why can’t a sata-usb harness allow any PC to look at the contents from the usb? Not boot, just read from the folders as some of you have done.
Anyone ever have BB use their recovery ‘mule’ device?
I know I'll catch flak on this (that may be a pun!), but we opened it up and the platter looked unscratched. The arm was not parked, but was reset and it was spinnable after that. That was Saturday. On Sunday he had us return to his house and we took it to him again and he got his Seagate and other tools to do what I've reported. He has helped a lot with our dog shelter needs, including video surveillance security cams.
The more I think on this, since we need a new HD anyways, maybe I need a good source to order a near 15 month old Samsung 320 Gb HD used in Inspiron 3520 laptops sold at BB.
Any leads on a good and timely source?
There is an upcoming need for the spreadsheet, so Martha is anxious to take action (even if it has to be total starting her work over, which I would like to save her.
Samsung Model ST320LM001
HDD P/N : HN-M320MBB/D1
F/W : 2AR20004
Thanks for your speedy and good info, guys. Very much appreciate any angles. I am redneck enough to attack a problem from any angle I am able (ala Duck tape and WD 40). Everthing mentioned so far is solid food for fodder.
Admin, the drive spins, so Sammy HD can avoid a deep freeze.
1492, I am liking and maybe getting warm on cloud auto backup of some things, and the vol group Women’s Council of BR needs to look at this for sure. A local wireless network is another thing, however – I am stretching my abilities at tech already!
The fellow that looked at our Samsung 320 Gn HD has been doing this stuff a long time. He said the Seagate device he used saw the data and it looked good. He reported that Seagate or one of his other apps (he named DOS as one) cleaned bad sectors. He mentioned boot and file firmware might be bad.
TheBearAK, last nite I found this about a Samsung
Among other things, I might see wher I can get a close vintage Samsung and swap firmware.
We bought a Dell Inspiron 3520 & Win 8 about 15 months ago at BB. 320Gb hard disk (Samsung SATA) failed. Never had this happen before, so never made the W8 backup disks to get reinstall OS on a new HD. Worse, Martha did not backup 2 months of work on a large spreadsheet of member data for a volunteer org (she normally does use an external USB HD and backs up files regularly).
Called Dell and requested the recovery/install OS disks and will likely put a BB $60 500 Gb new HD in. BB had no SSDs to show. I hope it is Win 8.1, but may have MS updates all day when we get the stuff.
A friend ran Seagate kit for HD repair and several other apps to analysis that claimed to clean sectors, but not enough help as none of his computers or our Dell sees the failed drive. Computer can boot a Linux Distro.
I would love to get that big Excel spreadsheet back for her.
Is there still a DIY program and USB-HD harness that I could use myself (I heard of Ccleaner’s Recuva as an option)?
Also, a BB Geek said something like they could recover some data maybe for $45 with their powerful “mule” recovery setup. Anyone know?
Thanks for any ideas.
Would like to hear more comparisons of usability issues yo've noticed moving from a TL 213. A permanent big bed seems to be a biggie for a lot of folk (I think Martha and I are neutral on this issue).
On toadlessness...I see you have not stayed overnight in Iowa's Amana Colonies, located a few hundred miles from you. You need to traverse a 7 mile loop to see all its great/interesting attractions (there is an old-time hardware store IIRC). To take in things like a homestyle farm all-you-can-eat breakfast (A MUST) requires you drive a couple miles from the RV sites (several hundred water/elec hookups.
This would be a great place to do a personal-preference study of how necessary a toad really is for you. Might even try it once w/ and once w/o a toad, but try w/o 1st
Well, if anyone else has some images, I would like to see them. I was going to review them with my wife. We have decided we are going to keep this rig awhile and making this change makes a lot of sense.
Those were where Cheeze put in two twin beds using pillows to make them day sofas. No more dinette, and Cheeze also removed the six inch wide storage space between the sofa and the RV wall.
Snowman9000 did just the sofa removal for a twin bed and pillow backs.
I think we would miss the more contoured for sitting feel of the jack knife sofa during day use.
A camp site too far.......
set out last week to camp in Central Oregon.....
managed to get not quite to the top of the Santiam Pass....when the motor first weakens considerably (limp mode?) then dies, restarts, moves along then dies twice more.....all in a non-shouldered 2 lane section. Very dangerous.
Heavy traffic, managed to fire it up one more time & move to safe off-road area.
Flat bed tow bill to nearest repair shop was just under $400....which the tow operated said (not related) but it turned out that he was over his weight limit 400#.
The 6L 213 goes in to the shop tomorrow. When the Reader of the Chicken Bones comes up with a diagnosis I'll post more woes.
Sure hope it is something just needs resetting. I am not familiar, but recall that a few others have had the 'slow down'
I've yet to hear someone that has actually driven a Trend/Viva criticize how it drives, handles or it has to little power.
Maybe 2/3 way into the video I linked above has the sales lady saying lots of the workers had very + driving comments. They drive a lot of diff rigs at that dealership
Checked the specs on our camper...it's actually almost 25'...it does look puny compared to some of the lovely palaces, but it's big enough for us:) Yes, I am very happy with ours!
Keep in mind the bigger you go, the more work: washing and waxing the exterior (you do want it to look wonderful as long as possible, right???), cleaning the interior. And remember, that big rig needs a lot of room to just sit there, either in a WalMart parking lot (picking up a few items) or in a cg, with all your outside paraphernalia...not all of those folks with the huge, luxury class As sit inside all day...some are outdoors all day, and if gone, at the pool, fishing pier, etc...if they're full-timers, they really need all the size and perks...they LIVE ALL the time in that thing!!
I forgot full-timers.