Well, if anyone else has some images, I would like to see them. I was going to review them with my wife. We have decided we are going to keep this rig awhile and making this change makes a lot of sense.
Those were where Cheeze put in two twin beds using pillows to make them day sofas. No more dinette, and Cheeze also removed the six inch wide storage space between the sofa and the RV wall.
Snowman9000 did just the sofa removal for a twin bed and pillow backs.
I think we would miss the more contoured for sitting feel of the jack knife sofa during day use.
A camp site too far.......
set out last week to camp in Central Oregon.....
managed to get not quite to the top of the Santiam Pass....when the motor first weakens considerably (limp mode?) then dies, restarts, moves along then dies twice more.....all in a non-shouldered 2 lane section. Very dangerous.
Heavy traffic, managed to fire it up one more time & move to safe off-road area.
Flat bed tow bill to nearest repair shop was just under $400....which the tow operated said (not related) but it turned out that he was over his weight limit 400#.
The 6L 213 goes in to the shop tomorrow. When the Reader of the Chicken Bones comes up with a diagnosis I'll post more woes.
Sure hope it is something just needs resetting. I am not familiar, but recall that a few others have had the 'slow down'
I've yet to hear someone that has actually driven a Trend/Viva criticize how it drives, handles or it has to little power.
Maybe 2/3 way into the video I linked above has the sales lady saying lots of the workers had very + driving comments. They drive a lot of diff rigs at that dealership
Checked the specs on our camper...it's actually almost 25'...it does look puny compared to some of the lovely palaces, but it's big enough for us:) Yes, I am very happy with ours!
Keep in mind the bigger you go, the more work: washing and waxing the exterior (you do want it to look wonderful as long as possible, right???), cleaning the interior. And remember, that big rig needs a lot of room to just sit there, either in a WalMart parking lot (picking up a few items) or in a cg, with all your outside paraphernalia...not all of those folks with the huge, luxury class As sit inside all day...some are outdoors all day, and if gone, at the pool, fishing pier, etc...if they're full-timers, they really need all the size and perks...they LIVE ALL the time in that thing!!
I forgot full-timers.
The following is from another discussion forum, and I was thinking of this when mentioning big 24' sprinter Class B vans in my post above.
"I don't think you have to go too many decades back to a time when there were motorhomes (slang, 'Winnebago'), mini-motorhomes (chassis cabs with coach built on back), and camper vans. I'd bet few rigs in each MH category strayed far from group average lengths of 24', 20', and 16', respectively."
The OP wrote "Found out, while camping is fun, it's really about the road trip for us. And I think a small class C does that better than just about any other kind of rig."
It kinda' looks like the 24' is a good number to have in mind. In a thread once, it was the answer I gave when asked what length should be the cutoff if small Cs were to be discussed w/ Bs. (I think toadless needs to be in that mix also.)
24'is too small for a vast number RVers, but this has never been an issue of competition - there is no contest. People state strong preferences and generally mean no slight to others' values, even if some derogatory and hyperbolic bias is shown. We all do it.
The point of 24 is that it works well for touring couples and/or singles, and not very much for families, base camp toad trippers, or posh luxury RVing.
Don't recall if it's been said, but the new boxy Euro vans, esp. the biggest Sprinter van w/ even taller roof and rear duallys offer all the space of small B+s, so now even stock vans build much bigger space than a decade ago. It's as if the class Bs are self-evolving to being B+s.
OP asks "Why not get rid of the B and C classifications and just go to Large, Mid-size, and Small/compact Motorhome designation as the car industry uses? Or are the B and C designators just a marketing tactic?"
Not positive, but I don't think you have to go too many decades back to a time when there were motorhomes (slang, 'Winnebago'), mini-motorhomes (chassis cabs with coach built on back), and camper vans. I'd bet few rigs in each MH category strayed far from group average lengths of 24', 20', and 16' respectfully.
Not flaming or trolling, just an observation...
It seems to me that rv.net members who champion the Bs want to have a cake and eat it too. Hardcore rv.net B lovers show great pleasure in RVing entirely within the small space afforded by a van, yet insist that a B is anything that came out the auto factory as a van no matter how big it becomes after the RV manufacturer makes body modifications.
I recall a sales guy talking about some fancy electronic control settings to get the suspension of the Coach House to ride as you like it.
Not too familiar, but this sample pic sorta looks bottom heavy with somewhat low profile body and curved sides.
Offhand, does anyone know of any others that have a low center of gravity and front wheel drive?
You can look at all the vintage GMC front drive MHs from the '70s based on the Oldsmobile Toronado front end. No modern FWD RVs to my recall.
As some are noting, If you pay over 6 figures for a well built B+ or B from LTV, Pleasureway, CoachHouse, etc., they likely tweak the suspension to give it a smooth good handling ride like a passenger transit mini shuttle bus.
The more basic entry grades like mine - not the slickest ride (not terrible, either, but
Here's a good article on the subject of viruses, malware, etc. It contradicts some experiences I have had, but it has a very good definition of all the terms involved.
PC Magazine: "Viruses, Spyware, and Malware: What's the Difference?"
Good article for definitions for sure.
SCR, After reading the article twice, I am still hearing that anti-malware software can do everything an anti virus program can, and also, everything that the AV misses.
AsheGuy, the virus/malware picture was helpful.
In 2 years of running no antivirus software and not running in Administrator mode, I've had zero viruses as measured by occasional running of Malwarebytes.
Prior to that, running in Administrator mode with antivirus software I had a virus get past it about every 2 months.
You are aware that Malwarebytes is not Anti-Virus Software. It was never designed to scan for a virus.
Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not meant to be a replacement for antivirus software. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is a complementary but essential program which detects and removes zero-day malware and "Malware in the Wild".....
Source: Malwarebytes Support
I am confused. How does a daily updated AV scanner (MSE, AVG, BitDefender) not get zero day malware before a manual once-a-week scan w/ Malwarebytes?
The lower center of gravity is a biggie, and - only as far as I judge from photos - the Winnie Trend seems not to have a low floor like the Rialta had. Not to mention that compared to Rialta, the Trend has added roof height and vertical side walls all the way up to it.
IIRC, there is no axle connecting the two rear wheels on a Rialta as we see on the Ducato. I hope they figure a way to lower the floor of the Trend despite its having a rear axle bar across the rig from wheel to wheel. I'd rather a hump in the floor than raising the whole floor.
I made a test drive of the Trovato yesterday. The sensation of the van leaning was gone. I did not notice until the end of the drive and asked the salesman if this was a result of the front wheel drive and he said yes. In the chevy chassis, and others I am told, I feel like the van is going to turn over, when you make a sharp turn or even on some curved roads.
With a full tank of gas it really leans to the left. I am still something of a newbie so I have been astounded that people went on long trips in such an unstable vehicle and I had given up hope of finding a class B that I did not hate to drive. I did not especially like driving the Airstream Sprinter model/Interstate, either, a few years ago on a test drive. I did not hate it, but...
I really enjoyed driving the Travato. But here I am, the next morning wondering if it was just my imagination, along with exhaustion, after the 3 hour trip to the closest dealership with a Travato.
I mean why would anyone clomp, bump and swerve down the road in the Chevy extended if there is an alternative? The forums are filled with advice on suspensions, airbags and more sophisticated tweaks, in order to make the ride better, for me, bearable. Does anyone know if the FWD is the reason the Travato is a pleasure to drive?
I bet you are right. The most car-like drive/ride we ever had was w/ the FWD Rialta -- like a Lincon Town Car.
FYI to those couples still looking for small Cs and the two-room-spaces: When we finally decided on our 22' rig, it was while sitting in a comparable rig at a dealership. We felt "this feels familiar, like our previous auto-touring travel style - a motel room on wheels complete with a dry bathroom separated by a door. I always get up hours before Martha. I can set up coffee percolator, radio, books, maps, brochures, and/or computer and not bother her sleeping.
This info from the Winnie Trend thread is VERY encouraging w/r Ducato rear wheele.
The ride is VERY smooth. Those Sprinter vans with the dual rear wheels get a lot of complaints on the boards about how stiff the ride is - unacceptable is a word I've seen more than once
Pretty well sums up the ride of the Ducato over anything else.