OP asks "Why not get rid of the B and C classifications and just go to Large, Mid-size, and Small/compact Motorhome designation as the car industry uses? Or are the B and C designators just a marketing tactic?"
Not positive, but I don't think you have to go too many decades back to a time when there were motorhomes (slang, 'Winnebago'), mini-motorhomes (chassis cabs with coach built on back), and camper vans. I'd bet few rigs in each MH category strayed far from group average lengths of 24', 20', and 16' respectfully.
Not flaming or trolling, just an observation...
It seems to me that rv.net members who champion the Bs want to have a cake and eat it too. Hardcore rv.net B lovers show great pleasure in RVing entirely within the small space afforded by a van, yet insist that a B is anything that came out the auto factory as a van no matter how big it becomes after the RV manufacturer makes body modifications.
I recall a sales guy talking about some fancy electronic control settings to get the suspension of the Coach House to ride as you like it.
Not too familiar, but this sample pic sorta looks bottom heavy with somewhat low profile body and curved sides.
Offhand, does anyone know of any others that have a low center of gravity and front wheel drive?
You can look at all the vintage GMC front drive MHs from the '70s based on the Oldsmobile Toronado front end. No modern FWD RVs to my recall.
As some are noting, If you pay over 6 figures for a well built B+ or B from LTV, Pleasureway, CoachHouse, etc., they likely tweak the suspension to give it a smooth good handling ride like a passenger transit mini shuttle bus.
The more basic entry grades like mine - not the slickest ride (not terrible, either, but
Here's a good article on the subject of viruses, malware, etc. It contradicts some experiences I have had, but it has a very good definition of all the terms involved.
PC Magazine: "Viruses, Spyware, and Malware: What's the Difference?"
Good article for definitions for sure.
SCR, After reading the article twice, I am still hearing that anti-malware software can do everything an anti virus program can, and also, everything that the AV misses.
AsheGuy, the virus/malware picture was helpful.
In 2 years of running no antivirus software and not running in Administrator mode, I've had zero viruses as measured by occasional running of Malwarebytes.
Prior to that, running in Administrator mode with antivirus software I had a virus get past it about every 2 months.
You are aware that Malwarebytes is not Anti-Virus Software. It was never designed to scan for a virus.
Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not meant to be a replacement for antivirus software. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is a complementary but essential program which detects and removes zero-day malware and "Malware in the Wild".....
Source: Malwarebytes Support
I am confused. How does a daily updated AV scanner (MSE, AVG, BitDefender) not get zero day malware before a manual once-a-week scan w/ Malwarebytes?
The lower center of gravity is a biggie, and - only as far as I judge from photos - the Winnie Trend seems not to have a low floor like the Rialta had. Not to mention that compared to Rialta, the Trend has added roof height and vertical side walls all the way up to it.
IIRC, there is no axle connecting the two rear wheels on a Rialta as we see on the Ducato. I hope they figure a way to lower the floor of the Trend despite its having a rear axle bar across the rig from wheel to wheel. I'd rather a hump in the floor than raising the whole floor.
I made a test drive of the Trovato yesterday. The sensation of the van leaning was gone. I did not notice until the end of the drive and asked the salesman if this was a result of the front wheel drive and he said yes. In the chevy chassis, and others I am told, I feel like the van is going to turn over, when you make a sharp turn or even on some curved roads.
With a full tank of gas it really leans to the left. I am still something of a newbie so I have been astounded that people went on long trips in such an unstable vehicle and I had given up hope of finding a class B that I did not hate to drive. I did not especially like driving the Airstream Sprinter model/Interstate, either, a few years ago on a test drive. I did not hate it, but...
I really enjoyed driving the Travato. But here I am, the next morning wondering if it was just my imagination, along with exhaustion, after the 3 hour trip to the closest dealership with a Travato.
I mean why would anyone clomp, bump and swerve down the road in the Chevy extended if there is an alternative? The forums are filled with advice on suspensions, airbags and more sophisticated tweaks, in order to make the ride better, for me, bearable. Does anyone know if the FWD is the reason the Travato is a pleasure to drive?
I bet you are right. The most car-like drive/ride we ever had was w/ the FWD Rialta -- like a Lincon Town Car.
FYI to those couples still looking for small Cs and the two-room-spaces: When we finally decided on our 22' rig, it was while sitting in a comparable rig at a dealership. We felt "this feels familiar, like our previous auto-touring travel style - a motel room on wheels complete with a dry bathroom separated by a door. I always get up hours before Martha. I can set up coffee percolator, radio, books, maps, brochures, and/or computer and not bother her sleeping.
This info from the Winnie Trend thread is VERY encouraging w/r Ducato rear wheele.
The ride is VERY smooth. Those Sprinter vans with the dual rear wheels get a lot of complaints on the boards about how stiff the ride is - unacceptable is a word I've seen more than once
Pretty well sums up the ride of the Ducato over anything else.
I was shopping for a new 27ft Airstream trailer and big truck a few years back when the "recession" pretty much killed my consulting business and it's probably not coming back.
So, tired of waiting and anxious to get out camping, I jumped on a used (1991) small class-c 22' that was for sale in the neighborhood.
Thinking it would be temporary until we got the trailer I started enjoying the compact and convenient class-c.
Ours has solar so we can camp off grid and rarely start the generator.
And now I'm rethinking my long term path and seriously wanting a new smaller class-c instead of the Airstream. The new Winnebago Trend is very interesting. The only thing for me is I feel I need to tow a car. I hate being stuck in the campground with no way to get out and about without packing everything up. Even for a trip to the store. But a little car or even an old dune buggy would be just fine.
I love this thread.
Lightweight camping and easy toadless road handling is what we wanted almost 10 years back when we got our B+, which is the whole concept behind the small streamlined C. We get bored in one place pretty quick, and the dogs need new things to smell!
WAY too many think that only a van-based Class B fit this 'touring-camper' style, but we saw right away that cg comfort necessitates a nornal kitchen, dry bath, and a nice big bed - our makedown king from the dinette+jack-knife sofa gives us a full C class rig in a 22 ft length. With just 2 humans, no cabover bed was needed.
Our B+ was a dollar-value comprimise that was cheaper than more streamlined B+s like Chinooks and Born Frees of the 2005 era. The front drive Rialta was sweet, but serviceability concerns scared us away.
I have waited w/ great anticipation for the arrival of Ducato in US, knowing that a modern FWD Rialta-like low-profile B+ was gonna blur the boundaries between small C and class B rigs taking the best from both.
I do not think the Winnie Trend form factor is at all optimal as that of the road-hugging Rialta when it comes to a Ducato B+.Winnie probably got spooked by low sales of Rialta, emboldened by Sprinter C sales, and so the Trend.
I'll be looking at what the B+ creative genius of folks at Leisure Travel Vans do in a Rialta-like Ducato. If anyone can get it spot on, they can, as they have shown w/ Libero and Unity.
A shocker return of the Born Free Bed and Breakfast on Ducato would be yummy, too.
While I agree that the reputable testing organizations provide a useful service not all testing organizations are reputable. I don't think the average user will take the time to sort the good from the bad. Most will ask the doctor on the street what they are using for their security measures.
If I was expecyed to know the deliberations of standards testers for all the things I use...I won't just ask doctors, but anybody. Opinions are data.
It amazes me that people are always looking for the free or cheapest means to protect the information contained in their devices. On the other hand they will pay hundreds of dollars for the device and put the most sensitive details of their lives on it and risk it all on the Internet using free security software that they know nothing about or none at all.
That downward fall towards free everywhere once free somewhere is hard to avoid. Possibly its that they are already paying for internet access and needed hardware to do so, so maybe they say "you internet providers need to fix this AV/AM problem from your coffers." But really, mostly just penny-pinching covers it well!
Occasionally I will visit the testing sites but find that the AV that's number one today may be number five in a matter of weeks or less. The security software I use, paid for, will tell you up front that there is no magic software that will protect you 100%. I have spent considerable time setting up my computer and understanding the needed security measures to protect my data. Most people will not take the time to do so. While I am far from a professional I don't consider myself an average user.
I have observed the same yearly trends. Not just in AV/AM rankings, but in most branches of tech and business (autos, insurance, cell phone...). There is one constancy I have noted in AV/AM that has survived several years now...the advice that I hear most often is just run MSE or Win Defender and follow-up w/ an occasional Malwarebytes full-scan. It has been good for me, I think.
I follow several security forums and have come to realize that most of the issues are self induced. They would not have occurred had the user paid more attention to what they are doing or if they had educated themselves a bit.
And as you mention as online virtue, being careful has saved me from lots of grief, I am positive.
I use several of the items that you referred to and very strict AV/Firewall/HIPS rules and find that my Internet experience to be just fine. Occasionally I will find a website that my security measures don't like but that's the point of having it.
There are always other websites that I will not have issues with that contain the same information. This is not to say that our use of the Internet is similar or even remotely the same, it's just my experience.
My lite powered laptop bogged a bit w/ some of the AV/AM I have tried (RV.net posters recommendations) like Avast and Comodo. i went back to MSE. In Firefox, I now only run Adblock Plus for ads and trackers. It often has to be disabled as it cuts off stuff I might want to see. But it is pretty good at getting lousy ads blocked. NoScript was way too invasive, as was no flash.
Don't mean to piss anybody off, but the topic from the OP has gotten way off subject.
He's looking for critiques or opinions from people that have bought or driven a Trend/Viva......
Good point. Newer and more innovativee designs of B+/C class MHs we've seen in the last decade, like Sprinter Cs, LTV, Pleasureway, and Great West, CoachHouse, and some Born Frees all tend to migrate away from RV.Net and find niche special sites in manufacturer-based user groups and/or social gatherings such as yahoo groups to converse.
The Ford, Chevy and Dodge traditionalists who have a specific definition of C class rigs will likely be the last to turn out the lights here. Look to find Ducato owners posting elsewhere.
We seem to look at this AV stuff from different angles. I really respect your expertise in this tech area and totally admit to being an amateur. You appear to be the goto guy for security in your workplace, where people get sloppy and tighter controls are warranted. But at home with their own PC, typical users will maybe take some precautions and not have to worry over malware/virus stuff very much - they want simplicity, and I think MS's new Defender for W8 and beyond is meant for us avg users.
In the vid below, a guy tests W8 Defender and gives a positive showing.
Demo of W8.1 Windows Defender built-in AV program
Certainly not bottom-line proof of anything. But notice the point he makes about trying to stop all possibilities of unwanted internet. At the browser level, I could turn on one or more extensions/add-ons to do ad block, flash block, script block, etc. What results is a degraded browsing experience (almost no websites will show properly). And similar effects are seen on overall computer performance/experience when running stricter AV apps.
Most of what I gather is that MS would prefer that you just stick w/ what they already include in W8. I think these articles suggest as much.
Keep in mind that they do not want to shut out 3rd party AV Developers, but that said, they are pretty non-commital in tone w/r needing any other AV than that already in W8, and they seem to be giving a nod to the exclusive use of W8's builtin AV apps.
Still using XP on an '06 Gateway laptop with a single core Celeron M 430 w/ 1GB RAM and only 60 GB hard drive (half full). Stayed w/ MSE and it is doing its daily definition update and quickscan. Sometimes let MSE do a full scan, but mostly rely on Malwarebytes for biweekly (2 weeks) full scans which very rarely finds anything.
The following quote is from MS speaking about MSE a year ago>
"With Microsoft Security Essentials, you get high-quality protection against viruses and spyware, including Trojans, worms and other malicious software. Security Essentials is easy to install and easy to use. Updates and upgrades are automatic, so there's no need to worry about having the latest protection. It's easy to tell if you're protected - when the Security Essentials icon is green, your status is good. It's as simple as that."
When you're busy using your PC, you don't want to be bothered by needless alerts. Security Essentials runs quietly in the background, only alerting you if there's something you need to do. And it doesn't use a lot of system resources, so it won't get in the way of your work or fun."
MSE is doing as good a job w/ XP as it has for many years, so the quote above still holds, except since April 8 and MS's end-of-XP-support, "when the Security Essentials icon is green, your status is good. It's as simple as that" no longer holds for XP. Instead, for XP users only, a red X shows after a scan, even though the scan almost always reports no threats were detected. For other Windows OSs that are using MSE, the green checkmark still shows. This redX for XPers is to remind that MS no longer patches XP for new-found bugs. I can live w/ it as long as this ole PC runs.
In many ways, I have a MS Chromebook, only instead of Chrome and Chrome OS, I have Firefox and Windows XP. The reinstalled XP OS is pretty clean of bloat and takes 12 GB hard drive storage, with another 9 GB for programs and some data files. Sure hope Firefox comes ot w/ a Mozillabook one day for when my sized-right-for-me laptop fails.
At 10mpg and 150mi/day, and $3.3/gal, MH daily gas use is $50, so for a family car getting 20mpg saves $25/day. But depending on cg nightly fees vs hotel/cabin room...hard to say, but I'd guess these two will at best cancel, but more likely, overnite family lodging vacation style will cost more.
Hard to figure fraction of overall car cost for those 150mi/day, but this would further reduce the $192/night figure a bit, but you may be looking at something like $125/nite extra to travel w/ your MH.
Are we all getting this right, or is there a difference in getting a signal, as opposed to receiving viewable content? I am not electrically that swift.
It is said there is NO such thing as a DIGITAL ANTENNA, only antennas that can receive VeryHF and UltraHF signals. So the old analog stuff - whether VHF or UHF signal channels - might be received at 70 mi, but be so snowy as to have no content.
And for the new digital signals (also either VHF or UHF), they too might be received at 70 mi, but the content is too dim to have integrity with resulting digital emptyness that is similar, in effect, to the analog snow.
Need the gurus on this.