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RE: VETERANS DAY
If I could only play one tune: TAPS ! Thank you to ALL vets.
Day is done.
Gone the sun.
From the lakes
From the hills.
From the sky.
All is well.
Safely rest.
God is nigh.
Fading light.
Dims the sight.
And a star.
Gems the sky.
Gleaming bright.
From afar.
Drawing nigh.
Falls the night.
Thanks and praise.
For our days.
Neath the sun
Neath the stars.
Neath the sky
As we go.
This we know.
God is nigh
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dentmac
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11/11/09 04:16pm |
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RE: Phaeton DP by Tiffin... Should He?
Regardless- One should weigh before purchasing. Yhe weights in the coach are often far off. Even tag axle RV's are sometimes overweight on the front without cargo. (with Full fuel)--
This is from a forum:
--------------- I weighed the coach on a CAT scale immediately after leaving the dealer lot and before we loaded a single personal item. I gave Tiffin a copy of the printout in early August when we were at the Tiffin service center. In a face-to-face meeting with Mr. Tiffin I offered to show him a weight sheet I had done showing weights on all axles and wheels. He was not interested in seeing the sheet and during the meeting told us the issue became less as fuel was consumed. :R So far I understand they may have arbitrarily changed the front axle rating on the Powerglide chassis front axle to 15,600 lbs and have asked Spartan to see if the rating on my axle can be changed to 15,600 or a 1,000 lb change from the current 14,600 lb rating. I was told Spartan would do some testing in Arizona during November and we would be notified of the results in January. Tiffin is also going to change the front wheels as the current ones are not rated for the current tire weight.
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dentmac
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11/08/09 03:07pm |
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RE: Phaeton DP by Tiffin... Should He?
GET THE FOUR CORNER WEIGHTS ON THE UNIT BEFORE YOU BUY>
Get it on that particular unit you are looking at with full fuel. See it done. Front axle may be a surprise. Not all but definitely some are overweight.
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dentmac
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11/08/09 11:00am |
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RE: Which would U pick: Signature vs. KingAire vs. Nimbus?
Newell quality is very good and comparable to Prevost except.
Repair facilities are limited,Prevost repair all over the North America,Newell is not a bus designed for 1M miles ,newer Newells are far over weight (28,000 lb drive axle), Prevost resale value is far superior.
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dentmac
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11/07/09 02:17pm |
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RE: CCC?
from the same site.
May States set weight limits on the Interstate System at less than the Federal maximum weight limits? (23 CFR 658.17)
No. When Interstate System weight limits were raised to the current levels in 1974 (20,000 pounds single axle, 34,000 pounds tandem axle, 80,000 pounds overall gross weight limits, plus bridge formula limits), States were not required to raise their limits accordingly, although most did. However, six contiguous States in the Mississippi valley, referred to as the "barrier States," did not and effectively limited the weight for all vehicles moving across them to their own limits. This was changed in 1982 when Congress established Interstate System weight limits as minimums as well as maximums.
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What is the definition of a tandem axle? (23 CFR 658.17)
It is two or more consecutive axles over 40 inches but not over 96 inches apart. If there were 3 axles within that distance, they would be considered a tandem axle for the purpose of Interstate weight limits.
Ohio and Pa turnpike will turn back a vehicle with over 20,000 axle. They have rolling scales at the toll booth. I would think that more will follow suit to protect the roads(save them $) and may start to fine (more $ for the gov.)
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dentmac
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10/31/09 04:37pm |
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RE: CCC?
Hi,
From that website
What is the minimum/maximum single axle weight limit that States must enforce on the Interstate System? (23 CFR 658.17)
It is 20,000 pounds or a higher grandfathered weight.
PM me with an email and I'll send you the NHTSA attachment.
Also - tell me what RV you are looking at.
Ross
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dentmac
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10/31/09 03:53pm |
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RE: weigh station
An RV is not a commercial vehicle and is not affected by laws that pertain to commercial vehicles--- agreed
An RV does have to abide by the rules for "all" vehicles
width rules, height rules , length rules (state), bridge formulas and axle weight rules. The fed website is correct.
Read NHTSA
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dentmac
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10/31/09 03:47pm |
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RE: CCC?
Weights fed site
Also go to NHTSA and look up
RQ 08-004 conclusions.. see 2E
here:
NHTSA
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dentmac
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10/31/09 09:37am |
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RE: weigh station
Pretty explicit web site: We may see some mandatory weighing - States need the money and want to protest the roads-- great money grab. Note that the OHIO and PA turnpikes turn RV's with overweight back.
Copied from:
Federal Gov website
Federal Government website
Are recreational vehicles subject to Interstate axle weight limits? (23 CFR 658.5)
Yes.
Are recreational vehicles required to stop at State scale sites? (23 CFR 658.5)
Each State may set its own requirements.
Are recreational vehicles subject to Federal size and reasonable access requirements? (23 CFR 658.5)
No, because they are not commercial motor vehicles.
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dentmac
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10/31/09 06:48am |
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RE: Which would U pick: Signature vs. KingAire vs. Nimbus?
King Aire is the only one with 365 tires and a high load capacity front end.(Spartan at 20,000) Also a legal drive at 20,000 lb.
Foretravel is light capacity front end- phoenix 18,000 but tires may be 315's. Nimbus front axle 16,000?. Get four corner weights before your buy. Do not go by a company's weights.. Have full full and know the water weight would be. Four passengers weight goes almost completely on the front axle so front axle can go over limit (or tire limit) quickly
My choice would be 3 year old PREVOST. same money-real structural walls and repairs anywhere!
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dentmac
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10/30/09 05:44pm |
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RE: CCC?
OK
Say the front is 18,000, the drive 24,000 and the tag 13,000
The front is 16280 -- add 3x 154 for the 3 additional passengers -(CCC standard)= 462lbs and put the tag to 13000.putting 800 more on the front. 462+ 800= 1262
Add to "no cargo" front of 16280 = 17542. Not much room for cargo is there .
Also wheels MUST be 10 inch with 365 tire size.NOT 315's
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dentmac
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10/30/09 04:45pm |
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RE: CCC?
No
As it is , it is illegal unless you can change the tag load to 13,000. Then you have to make sure the tag is rated at 13,000
If the tag is rated at 13,000, then the front MUST be rated at 18,000.
If the front is 17,000 then don't buy it. Because when the tag is loaded to 13000, the front will increase to over 17,000.
Also were passengers (4 ) in the rig when it was weighed. Almost all of the 616 lbs goes on the front axle.
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dentmac
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10/30/09 04:15pm |
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RE: weight station in Fl
Go to
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/23340232/page/3.cfm
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dentmac
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10/30/09 03:50pm |
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RE: weigh station
That may be the case in Canada, but there are no weight laws on motorhomes in the U.S. If you believe different, quote me any state or federal law
Simple:
DOT axle limits
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dentmac
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10/30/09 03:47pm |
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RE: CCC?
Hi ,
There are 2 issues
1, Safety- the axle ratings must not be surpassed. This rating is for the axle(side to side isn't looked at)
Tire /wheel limits. --Here, side discrepancies are important AOne side of an axle must not be over the tire/wheel limit. Tire pressures should be eqal on both sides and be enough to carry the heaviest load.
2, Legal ( number on is also a legal issue) DOT has a limit for any single axle of 20,000 even if it is part of a tandem set.. The tandem axle set cannot be above 34,000. A few states still allow 22,000 lbs for a single axle.
The Ohio turnpike and parts of the PA. have rolling scales at the toll boothsand will turn offenders back.
eg. Having a 28,000 lb axle rating (Newell) is safe but you just can't legally drive it anywhere. Newells and others with tag can change the loading to put more on the tag to decrease the drive load.
CCC is part of the safety issue. Useable CCC by DOT rules may be far less - or none
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dentmac
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10/30/09 03:40pm |
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RE: CCC?
Hi,
Ridiculous ,unsafe and dangerous. American coach is having a similar (but smaller)problem and has Spartan moving .
Contact NHTSA at http://www.safercar.gov/ and see PM for other information
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dentmac
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10/30/09 06:33am |
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RE: CCC?
Dick A
Consider getting certified weights and sending the specs to Tiffin. If they don't upgrade the front axle and wheels/tires, send a complaint to NHTSA. The tires/wheels cannot be over rated load at all. Unbelievably, they are not as strict about the GAWR but very much by GVWR or tire loading.
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dentmac
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10/29/09 08:18pm |
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RE: weigh station
Motorhomes can be overweight and illegal for two reasons.
ONE: over their GAWR - This is illegal and subject to fines and even removal of licence. A government scale could issue a fine.
TWO: over DOT permissible axle weights. 20,000 lbs for any single in almost all states. A few have a grandfather clause that allows up to 22,000lbs. 34,000 lbs for a tandem axle. This is also illegal but enforcement is weak so far. Ohio turnpike and parts of the PA turnpike will disallow overweight motorhomes.
Many states and provinces will allow motorhomes to be weighed . They will wave you on or do your weight. no problem and No charge. some are left "on" at night and after hours and can be used
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dentmac
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10/29/09 06:46pm |
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RE: CCC?
In 2008 NHTSA changed the rules for dealers that REQUIRES them to redo the sticker in a coach if they modify the weight of the RV over 100lbs.
The sticker in these newer coaches is OCCC where the weight of the passengers and water is part of the cargo.
The manufacturer does not have to weigh EVERY rig -- so the numbers on the sticker can be (and usually are VERY optimistic.)
You are correct in that the standard of 154 lbs per person is ridiculous.
Also note that in a pusher, the 616 lbs of passengers puts 603 lbs on the front axle. and 13 lbs on the rear axle.
One more-- Often the placard is the bays are for the vertical segment of the coach I.E. in the bay and above the floor in the vertical section above that bay. A sticker on each side (curb side and road side) does not necessarily mean that you add them for total bay limit. It does sometimes mean -- TOTAL (curb and road side.)
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dentmac
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10/28/09 07:28pm |
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RE: weight station in Fl
should be open for anyone to weigh in order to promote safety. They are federal or state property, so they are really public. We pay for them. Cameras should prevent vandalism.
They are open 24-7 in Ontario and I have heard some states and provinces
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dentmac
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10/28/09 10:21am |
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