Brake controller is a law for trailer over 3000lbs here in Maine, and probably across the country'
WD hitch is a big plus.
As for the sway bar, it is incorporated with my Blue Ox Weight Distribution system.
I didn't have sway bars with the previous campers and WD hitch I owned, and never felt the need for them
For me, I would love to get to the campsite, drop the trailer, level it, put out the awning and slide out and be camping. It would be nice to remove that 30 minutes of setup time and just have the beds all made up and ready to sleep in. The main reason I would like this is for the time saving. It would be nice to do shorter camping trips without so much setup time.
I don't know about other brands, but it takes us 5 minutes at the most to get those beds down and ready on a Rockwood Roo. Tent ends are sealed to the doors now (bungies or snaps are things of the past) and we use sleeping bags.
It actually took us less time to get ready than my sister and brother-in-law with their fifth wheel !!
Popup Gizmos, #1 Hybrid mod, along with Reflectix in the tent windows.
1- Sometimes Dan, I wonder if you're paid by Popup Gizmos to advertise for them....LOL !!!!! I agree that the gizmos are good for some people but I don't see the utility in Maine especially when the camping season is four months.
I had two hybrids before this one.....never used the AC, and never got cold at night.
2- I don't think they are a mod.... it's more like an add-on.
Still love you man !!!!
He is in a loser of an position here. Stand and fight with the DW over not letting her daughter take the camper, or let them have it, knowing based on experience, he will have to get to their house and get it and it will be dirty and possibly something broken.
I figure this is the only option. Have a non-confrontational conversation with your wife, and remind her (not accusatory) about the times the old camper was loaned and how it was always dirty and you had to always go get it. If that does not seem to sway her and she is determined to let them use it, yo uhave to figure out if it is worth the strife. That or cone to some agreement of a probationary period that the first time you have to go get it, or it is dirty or something broken, then no more loaning it out. At least on that premise the DW (although she could be mad at you) has no legitimate right to be upset because you gave them another chance.
For the record, I am in the same boat. My DW opens mouth and speaks before she thinks (good intentions) and we often loan stuff that we shouldn't. I can see her loaning our Class A to her sister and that brood and not think a thing about it and when it came back nearly destroyed be complaining to me about it, but not say a word to her sister and then loan it again.
My DW already told them I'm not interested in loaning the camper.....mostly because of the insurance. I found out the hybrid is only insured if it is pulled by a vehicle on the same insurance policy, and a driver on the same insurance policy.....that should solve the problem very quickly !
I'm the OP
They did borrow our previous camper, and it always came back with something broken (minor but still)......and both times I had to go get it at their home.....and not cleaned.
My DW still thinks it's ok to lend it to them.....Geezzzzzzzz!!!
Why don't they start with a POPUP !!
They would have the feel of sleeping under tents and they are also a lot cheaper!
Many on Craigslist for under $3500 and in good shape.
If they love that type of camping, they can sell that popup afterward without losing much money and then upgrade to an HTT
Would you let your children borrow your camper for week ends !
We have a new 2016 Roo 23ws and I personally don't agree. My wife on the other hand doesn't mind letting her daughter and her family use it .
What do you think !
I do agree when you say "to each their own "
I guess it all comes down to how you like to sleep / the condensation / outside temperature / interior set up / where you go camping / how long is your camping season / and probably a lot more.
Here in Maine, the season is four to five months....and I forgot to mention in my previous post that here in Maine, and since our first hybrid (2007), we used the AC only once (in 9 years)
We moved up from a hybrid from a pop-up about 8 years ago. We used our pop up one week a year to camp at the beach. We purchased the hybrid thinking that we would use it more by taking long weekend trips. The first year we used it maybe three time and used it twice two years and then once a year after that like the pop up. I hate the hybrid for short weekend trips. When you arrive, you have to set the beds up, put sheets on the beds, make the beds, etc. We also place tarps over the beds for one, to help keep it cooler, and to keep the ends clean. When you get home, you have to open the beds to air them out if it rained or if the A/C was on due to condensation. We love the hybrid for our week summer vacation, but it is to much for a short trip. We have been talking of getting a new TT. We found a great deal on a used one, so we are looking at purchasing it this weekend to see if we will use it more before purchasing a brand new one.
Since you've owned popups and hybrids, you are used to sleep under tents...... You might not like to sleep in a confined area.
We're on our third hybrid, and nowadays, 5 minutes is all it takes to make the beds. We used to put sheets on the beds, and found out quickly that sleeping bags is the way to go.
As for the tarps over the beds, we never saw the need to install those in Maine. Where we camp, there are no issues that makes us want to install tarps....No condensation and even sap is not an issue at the campgrounds we go to.
Hybrids are interesting beasts... people either seem to love them or hate them, and you will get a lot of weird, uninformed and even downright ignorant opinions on them from people who don't actually own them, mostly because old HTT's were badly designed, but modern ones are way different. I have heard people say that they are not safe (security and bears), tell that to the grizzlies that have ripped the doors off TT's, 5ers and Motor homes for a meal in Banff. People will tell you that you get too much moisture inside or that the bunk ends are too cold, I've been cold camping below freezing and never had it rain on me inside the bunk or been cold. They will tell you it is a pain to setup and tear down (especially wet), hmmm you must be in a real rush if 2-3 minutes is that big a deal. Or that the tent ends will leak, tear, fail and need to be replaced in 5 years, tell that to my co worker with 20 year old tent ends. What they don't tell you is that my 21' trailer has all the features of a TT and is 3400lbs, can be pulled by a V6, sleeps 7, and when opened up effectively has the square footage of a 31' trailer. Or that with the bunk windows zipped down you get excellent air circulation. Or that sleeping in a bunk end feels like tent camping but in a tent attached to a full featured trailer and no rocks poking in your back. Or that you can Wallydock, you can "turtle" with the bed ends up and still sleep on a jackknife sofa or dinette if in a pinch.
Ya HTT's are not for everyone and most people would not want to full time in one, but for recreational camping, their weight vs usable square footage and sleeping space make them a good alternative to a Pop up or small/medium Travel Trailer.
Amen to that.....We're on our third hybrid and nowadays they make them so much easier to work with.....especially for me who have COPD.
Yes, I can close the tent ends with the mattresses
My Roo 23ws has no more velcro or bungy cords on the tent end to tie them down. Open them, throw sleeping bags on them, and you're good to go (Less then 5 minutes)
The tent ends handles are lower on new Roos
The jack is electric
The awning is electric
Shower doors in the bathroom
I even have a private bedroom with a wardrobe in the back.
Everything a TT has, I have, PLUS the benefit of a 30 foot camper.....but 23 foot when traveling.
That back bunk looks about as hard to get into as in my ROO 233S. Especially if you have any girth to you or aren't very flexible.
Once the front slide is opened, there's plenty of room to get there (close to three feet width)
Here are a few other mods I did on the Roo 23ws:
1- Installed a garbage can in the front cabinet by the door:
Installed a mirror in the rear private room:
Installed an Oxygenic shower head:
Installed a television bracket on the wall in the rear room:
And finally, brought the antenna/cable to the front cabinet
I already play a lot of songs you posted, but there are also some that I forgot about and will include them on my list of songs to learn.
Great choice folks........Keep them coming!
As for ttempleton...keep it up !...........I stopped playing for 40 years, and started playing again eighteen months ago........A great move on my part and a great hobby for when I will retire.
After 40 years, I finally decided to play guitar again (2015).....and it's weird how you still know your chords after all these years.
Last summer, I brought my guitar with me and started to play around a campfire. What happened next...... our neighbors asked if they could join us, and we had such a good time. I played some of my songs, they played theirs and everyone was singing.....
I'm sure some of you folks play guitar or sing around a campfire and I thought I could share my favorite songs and perhaps some of you have your favorite ones too. Maybe that way we can have more songs to our list.
So, here is a list of five songs I love to play:
1- Margaritaville (Jimmy Buffett)
2- Brown eyed girl (Van Morrison)
3- The sound of silence (Simon & Garfunkel)
4- California dreamin' (Mamas & Papas)
5- A kind of hush (Herman's Hermits)
What's your favorite campground nearest to Wildwood, NJ and why. Looking to stay near by for the Wildwood Half Marathon.
If I was you, and since you live only 90 minutes from Wildwood, I would make a day trip and go check out the campgrounds in the area. Most of the campgrounds are on the same road.
Take the day, go to the beach, visit the campgrounds, have lunch in Cape May, and go back home.......Great Day !! :)
I almost wrote a reply yesterday but not as detailed as Dan.
My thought was:
You only live once.....so enjoy, and have fun. If you start worrying about any or all of the above, camping life is not for you