Has the bathroom been deleted?
Yes it has. From what I was told, the black water tank was cracked and the bathroom was subpar, so they removed it.
With that said, you can see what we did to gain a bathroom back, but we had to save up to get the toilet, but it works really well!
Here is our new piece of dirt. This is facing southwest, and in the far SW corner is our Excursion.
And this is the view towards the Yakima river and the Horse Haven hills due south from our property.
Here is the view due west and Mt Adams is in clear view, (next to the smoke)
And here is a close-up...
Garry, not in Alaska right now... :-)
We also own a 1966 C-10. Ours is far from stock, but is well used around Alaska!
We are missing it a lot right now as we are down traveling without it... In Washington state. We are blessed to be driving our old Excursion around, visiting friends and family, and we also finally got a look at our future home site in south central Washington. Not leaving Alaska yet... But getting things ready for when we do.
Changing from Kodiak to Prosser, WA is going to be a big change! It is hot here!!!
Another vote for a WDH , you will feel the difference if it is adjusted properly . I would suggest one with the dual cam sway control rather than friction sway bars . The friction type are not nearly as good and have to be adjusted differently for wet and dry conditions . I have two hanging in the shop for years . With your set up I would go with lighter bars , the heavy bars were meant for the sedans and wagons of yore that had soft suspension . Something has to flex or you will rattle the trailer to death . With a stiff truck you want the bars to flex .
I am in agreement with ticki2. The dual cam sway control not only control sway, but they eliminate the binding when backing due to the design of the bars and cams. I have towed a 30' TT for a lot of miles behind an Excursion, and a suburban, and I also did it without the dual cam sway system, and it is night and day! I have also towed just about every other size and type of trAiler, many with WDH's and many without. My preference is towing a tandem axle with the dual cam, even my empty flatbed car trailer. Ticki is also correct to match your bars with your tongue weight. So if you are going for about 600lbs tongue weight, the 500lb (each) bars should be fine, and still allow some extra capacity. They make bars as high as 1500 lb bars.
Last summer my brother moved from Kodiak Alaska to Minneapolis, and packed everything they could into a 24' wells cargo. He was pulling with a 3/4 ton suburban with the 8.1 v-8. The trailer weighed 13,000lbs! This was at the upper range of the trans, hitch etc. the factory round tube hitch was beefed up, and he ordered a dual cam hitch set up with 1500lb bars. They then drove some of the roughest roads around from Kodiak, to Seattle via the ALCAN, the across the northern states to Minneapolis. No breakdowns, no problems. Just bad mileage ;-) 6 to 8 most of the trip. He had never pulled with a WDH, and now swears that if he ever pulls again, he will use one again.
Hope this all helps.
I don't get it. Everyone oohs and aahs over these European campers, all of which, obviously have the camper CG severely behind the rear axle. Why is is ok for these European campers to have the front wall of the camper a foot in front of the axle? Have someone put an 8ft camper in a 5.5' bed crew cab truck here and the stones start throwing.
I ran an 8ft ATC popup in my Ford Supercrew with the 5.5' bed for thousands of miles and over more than one 4wd pass in the Colorado San Juans with no bad manners whatsoever but according to a lot of guys here, I was flirting with disaster because my camper CG was behind the rear axle.
I understand. Many who see my 10ft Avion on my 6.5ft F350 start to give me grief. But then a 12ft TC on a 8 ft box has more overhang than I do... and more behind the axle...
But I think the difference on these overseas units is that they are specifically designed for going on the smaller pickups that are prevalent overseas. I live in Scotland for 2 years in the early 90's, and I drove all over Scotland and England. But even my 1976 Saab 99 was considered a "big" car to British standards for the non-highway (motor-way) roads. So it tends to be all relative, and just as in my Avion, I rebuilt it to move much of the weight forwards, a lot of these European built TC's the weight is purposely set as far forward as possible even though the aesthetics say its all behind the axle. I think if you lived in a place like Scotland, with the narrow roads with stone wall and no shoulders and sheep in the middle of the roads, you would understand more that a smaller (non-US Spec) truck and Camper will get you around a lot easier, and to do that the TC is going to look far different than a US spec, which the RV industry caters to the "plush" over the "functional" since they cant be caught selling a bare bones basic, when they offer full blown posh ecstasy in their trailers and motor-homes etc... just my $0.02....
Garry in AK
What will you do with the mattress when the bed extension is in the " up " position ?
If the mattress is cut or two piece, it can be moved on top the other, or fold with the support. I made my own mattress from 6" memory foam, and it works well in an Avion.
If you have the where-with-all to do it in aluminum like sabconsulting, that would be my recommendation. Part of the problem with damaged roofs, is that the internals need to be exposed and looked at before much of a decision is made, so you can see the extent of the structural repairs required, then formulate a plan.
Good Luck on your endeavors. Campers are not hard to work on, they just take time, effort and sticktoitiveness!
I am curious to know why there are not more TC'ers on this Forum. I recently got back home from a two month TC adventure covering seven states and five thousand miles starting out with the 2014 2nd Annual Texas Truck Camper Rally in Kerrville, TX. During those two months the wife and I saw a lot of truck campers especially in Arizona, Colorado and Utah but when I asked if they ever go on-line to RV.Net Open Roads Forum for Truck Campers they would look at me and say that they had never heard of it before. Is this a common reply for everybody else also? I don't quite understand why these fellow TC'ers have never heard of this great Forum that we all have here. This is a wonderful Forum with plenty of interesting topics and trip reports and is also a great way to post questions and get answers to those questions from the experts on here. I'm hoping to have generated a little interest in this Forum to those fellow TC'ers out there to want to become new members in the future.
To get back to the OP's topic,
I came to RV.net back when I was looking at upgrading from my 1977 22' TT to a 2001 Nomad 308 TT with slideout.I learned much in that time, but then departed for awhile. Later after purchasing a Class-C after moving to Alaska, I was disappointed in how limited I was to access much of Alaska. Later I got my F350 for work, and started to contemplate moving from a Class-C to a truck camper... Most people thought we were off our rocker to cram a family of 6 into a truck camper.
Fast forward to today... After buying a gutted 1966 Avion TC, I met 67 Avion here, and so was created the Avion Rebuild thread. I frequent that thread now more than the TC forum even, but I do like to drop in and see what is going on. Life does start to get in the way occasionally, so I drop out for awhile, then return.
In my opinion (and we all have them) the TC forum can be a bit like your own family. Things go great for awhile, then there may be a tif, or an argument, or you get busy and don't talk for awhile, but eventually you come back, because you have one thing in common. Your family. The TC forum is much like that. We still learn things from each other. And we try to help each other out. The TT forum is not like this. I think it is too big, and too many varied TT's from little to BIG. Though, when TC'er's get together, we can be almost as varied. From the little pop-up TC to the Huge quadruple slide behemoth, from the brand-new off the factory showroom to the rescued from the trash-heap and lovingly rebuilt. Each of us has out niche, and comfort levels. That is what makes this so much fun! I hope it continues for many years to come!
Garry in Kodiak, AK
If you're thinking about another truck, skip the 3/4 ton and go with a one-ton. I have a 2013 Ram 3500 CC and I've been very happy with it. Great suspension.
You gave us all a great "review" on your old Ford. How about one on your "new" Dodge? And maybe a bit of comparison for both the Ford and Dodge guys. You know, real life comparisons, how all us camper guys and gals want to try to compare apples to apples, but end up with fruit smoothies from all the fruit throwing... ;-)
Well Thanks Whazoo... Now we have another To-Do on the bucket list when ever we leave Alaska. :B
I'll just have to ensure that we have Air Conditioning before that trip, or go early enough in the spring to keep cool... My kids now complain when it gets "Hot" in Kodiak. They were all in shorts and t-shirts last week when the temperature was hitting 59F... and sunny.
Enjoy those little girls they don't last that was for long. My two youngest are b/g twins, and they will be twelve this month... Where has the time gone. It seams like just yesterday when we were bringing them home from the Hospital in San Diego...
Enjoy the heat of Phoenix...
Garry, Kodiak Alaska
One thing is for sure....there is no right angle or straight line in this Tin Can :h
Onward in building something
To help cheer you up, Here are some early pics of mine. Some of this got pulled out and re-made differently later. But some of it got used just like this till I went back and changed it. So if you make it so that you can pull various parts apart without a total dismantling, you can get it to a point of use, and then just make little tweaks as you find things that don't work just the way you want them.
The Clean Slate....
Early fitting of the 40 gallon water tank, dinette, step and battery compartment...
Here is an early thought of locating a cooler/chest fridge...
Here I was thinking of going mostly stock.
Than looking at other options...
Then building those creative plumbing options...
then looking at other things...
Current Stove, Engel Fridge, stainless counter top and back splash and microwave.
Current Sink, Aluminum counter top and side splash and closet.
Hope this provides some help and encouragement!
One thing is for sure....there is no right angle or straight line in this Tin Can :h
Onward in building something
I found this out on mine too. When starting from scratch it can be very frustrating since you have no patterns. I learned to cut too big, then hold up and carefully trim a bit at a time till you get it all where you want it to be. Not perfect, but it is a start!
Here's my home made trailer. Holds two ATV's well. Contemplating stretching it a bit to fit three...
Here is the underside shot at dawn of my home build from scrap trailer.
Old boat trailer axle with new hubs and bearings, Dodge 1/2 ton truck front leaf springs, Ford F150 front Coils, tongue and tail-light panel are a scrapped commercial kids jungle-gym main beam. Deck is a former C-130 loading platform that has built in tie-downs. I "z-ed" the tongue to match the deck-over height and still match my hitch. Top of flat bed seems high, but is the same height as my F350 bed...
Makes a nice table when unloaded and disconnected from the truck.
Trailer is 7' wide and 9' long on the bed.
Rides well and handles two bikes well. I may have to beef the springs or insert air-bags in the coils to keep it from bottoming if I add a third bike... We have three bikes, but only take two if camping. If we are just going riding the camper comes out, and the third bike rides in the bed of the truck.
I like to scrounge and re-cycle stuff, so even the rims and tires were left-overs from a junked jeep. The only new items that i purchased was two pieces of 2x2 angle iron, the coupler, jack and tail-lights. And a kit of bed-liner roll-on non-skid.
Garry in Kodiak, AK
In my load range E winter 16" tires, I run the required 80. When I have my summer 19.5 tires, I run the required 110. Best for tire, best for driving. Sleepy is right. Keep what the mfgr says when hauling a load, and you will be fine.
Garry, Kodiak, AK
That looks like it will work. I use the same line to fill my gray tank as I use to drain it. My black is the toilet,, but in any RV you want to try to orient the gray water tank so that it can flush your discharge line after discharging the black.
Hope this helps.
Jammer your correct on all points on macerator pumps. The RVers who
have them rave about them. You reduce your waste to
a liquid that can travel pressurized through a
3/4 inch garden hose! Bye bye 3 inch dirty slinky.
They plumb with a 1.5 inch pipe and self prime.
The real advantage here is that you can dispose
of the waste just about anywhere including
flush toilets. They weigh around 3 lbs. and
the yacht guys have used them for years, it is
a tried and trued technoloy. It would be easy to
replace one at home, and you could keep your
standard hook ups for an emergency. 10 years
plus seems the average RV life since we are not
flushing salt water through them.
The reason I hit upon them is a lack of
useable black tank space in back, this would
let me put my tank anywhere, and it would also
allow me to pump the gray tank out as well with well
designed valving. Anyone up for some really wild
It doesn't get much crazier than plumbing a Submarine.... Did that for 23 years...
My Avion came like that. It appears that the original split window was removed and another installed. In the photos it may be that the aluminum blinds may reflect the sun in odd ways.
By the way, Garry. After we start the Avionista Caravan at Muley Point in Utah the next stop will be Kodiak Alaska. That's right...
Your all welcome for a visit! Just realize that the ferry from Homer to Kodiak only sails a few times each week, and has to have reservations made well in advance... unless you walk on... The joys of living on an Island in Alaska!!!