Ok guys...It is just over a month before the Ist Worldwide Avion Meet.In North Florida
This is an invitation to come and join us. We still need to hear from some 'Key Players' whom without, it would just not feel right.
Ticki2, SilverPompadour, and CajunAvion,(you listening) just to name a few,plus all the other Avion owners out there. GarryK6 I know it would be a long haul for you, but I can promise you that there wont be any snow down here and I am sure you will have a good time.
Lets do it.....
Thanks guys for the invite! No chance of getting off the island for that length to drive down to Florida. We are planning to do a week off Kodiak in the camper to Anchorage at thanksgiving time. Going for a possible repeat of our maiden voyage. Don't know if it will be down to -9F this year like our maiden voyage but we are ready to get my df the island for a break!! Have fun in the sun for us!! Garry in Kodiak Alaska
I'll try to keep the noob questions to a minimum.
I suggest creating your own thread.
Welcome!!! You have found the right place, and I agree with Ticki, that there is no reason to start another thread or post. All the Avion stuff happens here! ;-)
79Bruiser - Beautiful. I don't know Avion's, but that seems a beaut.
Anybody - Did Avion ever make a model that fit fully in the truck bed? I don't believe I've ever seen one with those characteristics. (You know - me and my perceived need for an 8 footer).
Without the hangout of the back though, it would lose a lot of its look, not to mention major function placement, but it could be cute too! I mean if someone were to find one like that needing restored?) ;)
Literature that I've read on advertisements etc, say that there were 8 foot version of the C10, but i have never seen one nor even seen pictures.
Without seeing pictures, might you possible have a Cayo Motorvator? Like this?
These were designed to be removed from an older cutaway van when the van died and fitted to a later model cutaway van. They were only made in 72/73 as far as I know. I hope that this helps, and again welcome!
There is a long discussion by 69avion and Ticki2 about the building of a SS holding tank and other issues relating to water handling on around P 80 - 82. There is a specific discussion of the toilet on P 82
For those that are doing a rebuild, we spent a lot of time talking to the folks at Thetford, including one of the top folks in the parts department that has been there a long time. They don't have any parts for these old toilets. The other issue is that this toilet is a couple inches shorter than the low profile, new toilets. I decided to redo the bathroom to take a modern toilet. Avion had 3-1/2" of wood under that closet flange and fiberglass cover to make up for this very short toilet. I made the holding tank higher by 1" and took out all but one 3/4" board to make the modern low profile toilet the proper height. I went with the cheaper, and lighter plastic unit, with the intention of replacing it every 10 or 15 years.
I don't know if others are up for a big change, but I put the Thetford electramagic in my C10. There were no original parts left, so I wnt with a toilet that didn't need a black tank. Later I had my son in his high school welding class weld up a 3"x23"x48" 14 gallon grey water tank which is under the floor. I do not yet have a shower pan, so no need for shower yet, nor do I have a hot water heater yet, but it is easy enough to beat water to on the stove. Hope this helps! Garry
What size bed does GarryK have? Looks like the ballpark of 6.5' in the signature. Southedistoman, your Dodge might do just fine.
You are right that my F350 is a 6.75' bed. With the tailgate down there is 8' of flat space. Fortunately my C10 already had the floor rebuilt and reinforced with 2x4 framework. So my tailgate desnt really see any load. InfAct I have hauled the Avion with the tailgate on and off and there is no difference in the camper not on the road. But if you have the stock floor, I would not necessarily trust the 8' floor on a short bed with out additional support. You could haul it on a short bed provided you add some support from the bed over the tailgate like several 4x4's etc.
My current toy hauler is a home built two place flat deck trailer.
But currently under construction is a 4 place (side load) or 3 place (end load) tandem flat deck trailer.
I had put the C10 on the F350 for the summer, but last weekend went to drive to the hardware store and the wipers had quit on the truck... So last week the camper came off, and since I am traveling around the state for work, had to drop of the truck at the shop. Hopefully they get it fixed before i return to Kodiak thursday. As I type I am pulling in on the ferry from Whittier to Cordova to pick up a bucket truck. Spent the weekend with my lovely wife in Anchorage, but dropped her off at the airport before driving the Whitier. I'll spend only five hours here to inspect buy and load the bucket truck on the ferry before another 6.5 hours back to Whittier. Then it's back to anchorage Monday night, meet with the Corporate bosses Tuesday, then back to Whittier Wdensday AM to load two trucks on the ferry then a 22.5 hour ferry ride to Kodiak to get home Thursday at noon. Hope everyone else is doing well!!
Garry out and about in Alaska
I have lived in Alaska for about 32 years. I found a cab over I like and I feel is a fair price. I just need to find a good deal on the mounts for my F250 crew cab short bed. I want to go with Torklift frame mounts.
Seems like between the mounts and the tie downs I am around $1200+ the cost of the camper. It's hard because I could spend the same amount of money and get a 5th wheel sliding hitch and buy a 5'er with much more room. Granted, then I can't tow my toy. But I don't see being able to do that without getting an extendahitch setup with a cab over.
I was fortunate to find a set on the Anchorage Craigslist for just the front mounts and the rear pieces that match up to the factory hitch for $375 that I had a friend in Anchorage pickup. I used that setup for awhile till I found a complete Super-hitch with camper tiedowns and 32" super-truss on Craigslist in Washington State for $350, where my sister picked them up and them took them to a Freight Forwarder in Seattle that ship directly to Kodiak for $150. It took time and patience, but saved alot of money from new. Hope this helps!
I ended up buying my 1966 Avion in Anchorage in 2011. It was totally gutted, but exactly what I was looking for. Paid $2000 but got all tie downs and 4 brand new jacks. spent a summer working on it to get it to a point of functionality, and have continued making improvements as funds allow. Have maybe $5k in it now, but it is very usable and fun and is built for our family to function well. Might be an option if you enjoy rebuilding or restoration.
Garry in Kodiak, AK
I tow behind my Ford and Avion. I use the super hitch with 32" super truss extension. At the moment I have a single axle 7x9' flatbed but in the garage is my new 19' x 7.5' tandem axle flatbed. Still building it, but I will have the ability to use a weight distributing hitch and torsion bars that will help smooth out the ride when I tow the ATV's behind the avion.
I just had a look at the sink faucet. Pretty sure the packings on this one are serviceable but the 'spout section' is busted where the shower hose comes out. Sorry I hadn't noticed before.
Does your faucet look similar? I think the spout section may actually be removable from the base on this one also. If any of it will work for you, you're welcome to it.
I lived in central FL for about 3yrs, the heat never bothered me. It's those **** mosquitoes, you dont swat em off you wipe them off. My project would never have gotten started if I still had to contend with that.
I hear Alaska is worse?
Very few skeeters in southern UT. Blessed indeed.
Just imagine a parade of classic aluminum winding it's way up the Dugway shortly before sunset.
Sorry I can't help out with any OEM Avion bathroom stuff. Mine was all given when I bought mine. As for Mosquitos in Alaska, it really depends on the time of year and part of the state. Kodiak doesn't have much a problem with mosquitos. While anywhere on the mainland can get really bad. This year with the mild winter we've been having, mosquitos will probably be pretty bad this summer. Of course if you come here in the winter, there is no need to worry about mosquitos! ;-)
Well Guys and Gals,
I finally got my Excursion out of the shop, so that means I can put the camper on the truck for the first time in over 6 months...
Additionally Saturday we had a break in the weather, This meant the rain and wind finally subsided long enough for a 1000lb load to the dump, and then loaded the truck before the next storm arrived Saturday night. 35-45 mph winds with gusts to 55 mph and more than an inch of rain overnight....
This is one reason, I have to plan ahead when I want to use the TC or when I need to use the Truck. I have no desire to crank up the Avion to the max extension on the Jacks to get it on and off with any wind. As it is, I have done it several times in the rain, and that is not fun either...
We plan on using the TC this weekend for a youth outing for church. We will be going to an old remote youth camp for a service project to fix up two of the remaining cabins, for possible later use this summer, then go use the woods on the mountain behind for a great paintball battle. then back to town.. About an hour out the road system. We don;t know yet if it will be clear/rain or snow or a mix of all three.... ;-)
Garry in Kodiak
I thought these campers were made for traveling
not just tinkering!
Thanks for that reminder!!!! ??
My Excursion was in the Ford dealers shop from June 26th to January 26th getting the headers replaced. (Remember I live in Kodiak, AK). So my pickup has been the primary boat toater, kid and stuff hauler, ATV toater etc. so the camper has been sitting since last winters use. Now that the Excursion is home and we have no snow (as the F350 is also the snowplow truck), I hope to get the Avion on the truck as soon as I can seal up the front window better.
On another note, many here have bought or built support trailers to tow behind their TC's. I have been working on building my latest trailer. Scrounged a tandem axle trailer frame with 3500lb axles with brakes. It was a 19' travel trailer at one point, but now is just a frame. So now it will soon be a 19' flatbed multi purpose trailer. It will be able to haul three ATV's end loaded or four side loaded. But also it will do duty for firewood, car hauling or anything else a good size utility trailer will do. I'll add a string once I get a bit further along.
I am tired of fighting leaks. I have sealed it off and I still have leaks... I am open to any options. Kodiak is so wet, and most trips end up with torrential rain on the mainland, that I have even considered deleting the window. Anyway, just looking for options.
I would highly recommend some manner of p-trap between the drains and the tank including the shower. You will get worse odors from a grey water tank than are in black water at times. I do not have a black tank either, and went with the Thetford recirculating toilet. I did connect the toilet drain and the grey water drain so that I can flush the toilet contents in the hose with the grey water. Keeps draining simple. It also allows me to drain my toilet to a 5 gallon buck when dry camping at BLM type campgrounds, and dump down a pit toilet.
I hope this helps,
Good evening all.
I have been on RV.net since 3-16-2004.
I have one of the older Truck Campers still in use. 1966
I am not too old. Will turn 50 this year.
I do not have the oldest truck that hauls a TC (2002) but may own one of the oldest trucks on the forum. 1932 Ford.
I sincerely appreciate All the folks who have pioneered the TC life, and all who share there TC experiences here!
Its difficult to take stills while doing alot of this stuff. This time lapse is only one portion of the 'Interior End Cap' process but it gives the general idea.
Avion C11 - End Caps
Ill try to make a more complete video eventually.
What are the specific tools that you are using? Obviously drill, pop-rivet tool and some manner of tools for cutting and flange-ing. Are you using traditional pop-rivets? Or are you using the solid style Olympic rivets? Thanks again for the video, as it helps put a mental picture of the work necessary to do this.