Good morning all,
I have been working on my dads cabin lately, and my alternative daily driver has been in the shop since June, so I have not put the TC on my pickup so I can still launch the boat to get to the cabin and I can haul in the back of the truck. Winter is quickly approaching here in Alaska, so trying to wrap up outdoor projects.....
I placed the engle cooler where the sink was to shift weight forward.. You may recall I carry a 10 ft camper on a 6 3/4 ft truck bed. I then placed a new propane box using the refrigerator door to move that weight forward. To better utilize space, I chose not to put a sink in the bathroom, and I only raised the sink enough to clear the propane box but allow allow the sink to drain. We went with the smaller Engle due to a) Price and b) size. We take a minimal approach to camping since moving to Alaska. By squeezing a family of 6 in a 10 ft 1966 Avion is considered nuts by most people, but we have chosen to make it work, to keep less money in the RV and provide a little more to allow us to take the RV off the island when possible. This year has been a bust for the feet trips due to taking the entire family to SanDiego in the spring for our oldests Marine Corps boot Camp graduation. And now we have a Christmas trip to spend one last Christmas at grandma and grandpas farm in WA before they move into a new place. So that has been my year and some of the back ground for choosing to relocate items the way we have done. Hope this helps!!!
Just for grins... ;)
This was me this past winter after a snow storm, trying to take the kids sledding at our local mountains. It is a gravel single track with turnouts, usually ice under the snow.
I pulled out more people that I care to count... Some because of the conditions, some from pure stupidity... I had the weight of the camper, skinny studded tires, a snow-plow and chains with "V" ice biters. The kids never got to go sledding, as we had to go back to town, but they had a great time making up Ford commercials, as they saw what the right set-up can do. They also kind of thought that it was all because of the Ford... I had to break it to them that it was more physics than Ford or any other make....
But it was rather fun!!!
I only have a couple snow trips on my DRW. It does tend to float more than my SRW and I would not like the drive if I did not either have the TC on the rear or 4wd engaged. My SRW had many snow trips and also was not that good in 2wd when empty due to the heavy diesel up front and light bed over the drive wheels. Once I started taking the TC skiing, I used 4wd much less than I used to in previous years. Where I live much of the snow is right at the freezing point, so it gets slick in hurry once you apply pressure or heat from the tires to it. My DRW has traction control where my SRW did not - I'm still getting used to that in slick situations and how it reacts verses having to control spin myself.
Bedlam makes some great points...
I live in Kodiak Alaska where the weather goes from rain to snow to rain frequently, and makes for really icy and slick conditions. The company i work for has a fleet of 60+ trucks and vans, many dually. Any of the dually's have more problems in the slick stuff, even with studded tires, unless they are 4x4. (we have both) On my F350, my summer 19.5's are terrible on wet grass, mud snow and ice... but make my camper rock solid. In the winter here I run 235x85x16 studded mud and snows and carry chains. The set that I have now have taken me and my truck lots of places that others had problems going. I had a dually long-bed one year older than my current truck, but didn't have a camper then. It was similar in the snow to my current F350, very tail light, but throw a load in the bed and it plowed right through most situations. If you are really worried about the snow, either go with the cable chains, or get what I got, and that is the Cam-tightened chain link chains. Real easy to install, excellent traction etc...
Hope this helps.
What I found was windows and window frames and loose rivets that leak.
I located the leaks while being in the camper (after it was stripped to the shell) during one of our monsoons down here.
I would not say you should ignore the seams because traveling down the road at 60 mph in a downpour might show different results.
My C10 was completely resealed by the previous owner, and he did a pretty decent job. I have two spots that I am still chasing, and it seams that they only leak while driving down the freeway in heavy rains, which Alaska can have too like your monsoons. I am still chasing one through or around the front window, and I have one somewhere around the passengers lower front corner by the curve between the dinette and the upper bunk. I know that they are there and I keep trying different tactics, but no luck yet...
Thanks for posting. How much does it weight? A lot more than the newer models?
Factory weight dry was 1700lbs. And the water was only 20 gallons...
As pictured, minus the snow plow, loaded for two weeks with the family of 6 we weighed in at 10,800 lbs. We are now down to 5 (oldest joined the Marines) so we might be able to drop a bit off the weight for our next trip.
The C-10 model was listed at 1700 lbs but some listings said 1750 lbs and ran from 1965 to 1968 as best as we can find out. The C-11 came out in 1968 and ran till 1972 under both the Avion name and the Cayo name. They were listed as weighing 2300 lbs.
Here are a few photos of my C-10..
From the pics, I can tell it is an Early 66 or late 65 by the location of the running lights. the original 65 and early 66 had the lights down low, where the mid and later 66 C-10's all the way up had the running light one on the cab over and one at the same height at the back.
Here is a few reference pics from mine...
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Garry in Kodiak, AK
This is so cool. Can we see theinterior?
The ultimate Avion Camper thread (300 pages and counting) is right here with pics of all different stcok to modified Avion Truck Campers.
Avion Truck Camper Thread
Garry in Kodiak, AK
However I would like to add a water tank and some a grey water tank even if it needs to be portable (i have to take it out to dump)
I am not sure how this would be plumbed so as to prevent feed back to shore water source which I would like to keep. Is a one way valve used?
The kitchen sink should have a hose connection on the outside of the camper that you can hook up a hose to and route to a separate collection container (bucket etc). As you go through the Thread you will see other options.
I would also like to add an AGM battery.
I can live without black water holding tank.
I would like to reinforce the front jack support area, can you or anyone suggest a way to do this from the inside?
Having some pics will help us help you know where the battery was originally. but an AGM is a great choice. The black water tank is incorporated under the toilet and under the shower. In Fact the Toilet, Shower and bathroom sink all drain to the black water tank.
The first task will be:
1..Clean the outside: What is the best way to bring the shine back out?
2. Clean the inside.
3, Get the running lights working.....Is there a source for replacement lights?
I am sure I will have a lot more questions...and yes I am reading the avion thread here. I still have over 285 pages to go :) at the end I am sure I will be much better informed...right now I am anxious to do things.
The exterior is Anodized, so will never shine like and Airstream, unless you de-anodize it as one of our members did, and then spend alot of time polishing... ;-)
In the thread I posted sources for LED replacement lights and what they look like installed and lit up. I will try to dig it up, and post a link to the exact page. If yours is a 65, do you have the same propane access door I have on my 66, or do you have the smaller door from the very early versions? As you clean, you may be able to lightly sand the doors etc to remove the paint, then use Danish Oil to revive the original Birch plywood. I didn't have paint to worry about, but mine were de-laminating, so I had to re-glue and clamp, then sand and re-oil.
Welcome to the Joys and challenges of Avion TC ownership. As 67 and 69 have both stated, the Avion "Rebuild Thread" is not just a rebuild thread, it is where all Avion TC owners that we can find end up to share life and experiences with our Avion TC's. I know it can be tedious to sift through the many pages it has grown to be, but the people that are subscribed to that thread will answer much quicker if you do post in that thread, as we get notification when some one posts. Can you post pics the Avion thread, then we can see which floor plan you have (there are only a few, but the layout is slightly different for each of the plans for battery pump etc.). We enjoy helping new owners work through the challenges, and hopefully offer encouragement to hang in there when the tough times come along.
I hope that this helps, and here is a link to the thread if you need it.
The avion master thread ;-)
Garry in Kodiak, AK
You were lucky. You got a nice calm day to cross the bridge. Try crossing the bridge when the wind is howling (which it often is)...talk about "white knuckles."
I would love to cross that bridge again with just the truck and camper... The last time I crossed that bridge I was pulling our 30' TT behind our Excursion. The wind was howling and the waves were crashing, and the rain was pouring... I was very white knuckled, even to the point that my lovely wife and our 4 kids were stone silent... I don't plan on pulling a large trailer over that bridge any time soon....
Garry in Kodiak, AK
After doing to mine what I have done so far here in Alaska, I would agree, these campers are beasts!!! I am sorry for the damage, but look at it this way, what other camper in a similar situation wouldn't have had far more damage, at an even higher repair cost... So there is light at the end of the tunnel. I have even given thought to finding another C-10 and finding someone that would make additional ribs, and then reconstruct a C-10 Deluxe, like sold on e-bay a few years ago. I would love to one day have an Avion with a N-S bed vice the E-W.
We have not had the camper out much this year due to a job change, but we are considering another Thanksgiving run to Anchorage, AK. Last time we did that run, it was our maiden voyage and the temps were 10 below 0 the first night in Anchorage... Hopefully I will have the new heater/furnace installed before we go, as that will help considerably.
Good Luck on the the repairs, and as always, please take lots of pics!
69, you always raise such good considerations and I appreciate it.
I am currently thinking to have a 3/4" neoprene pad between the cabover and the truck's roof, and then thrubolt in some fashion to compress the neoprene for a snug fit but not so much as to eliminate a wee bit of wiggle.
The joint between the front of Argo and the back of the truck cab will be rigid - a flange with bolts and caulking. I'm expecting that the camper and cab will behave as a single unit and that that unit will tolerate a bit of movement in the truck chassis, to be addressed by the 12 rubber body mounts I am installing.
I mentioned in a recent post that the Tiger motorhome folks bolt everything together quite solidly and have reported no failures in hundreds of thousands of miles on 4WD chassis.
We shall see whether my engineering and their's produce the same outcome.
Does anyone know if any of the Tigers were ever mounted on Ford's? I have seen many mounted on Chevy's. If the twisting is an issue, and Chevy uses boxed frames while Ford uses C-Channel frame, maybe that is why Tiger can bolt directly thru, because they are using Chevy vice Ford...
I am a Ford man, so I am not trying to create a debate. Just wanted to know if Tiger ever used Ford, that would tell you if you are comparing Apples and Apples, or if you are comparing Apples to Oranges...
Just my two cents.....
WELCOME! From Nova Scotia to Kodiak, Alaska to Florida to California! This thread has definitely grown not only in numbers but varieties of locations! Welcome and keep us posted on your adventures not only building but using and camping too!
Sensational! I wasn't able to download the photos on my iPad but I'll give it another try tomorrow with the desktop. It's great to have you back. You are officially invited to the First Avionista Rally at Muley Point, Utah. You'll meet D1trout and 69avion and Garry and me, along with dozens of other Avionistas. At least that's my hope ;-)
Sorry guys, but at least till I move out of Alaska, I do not see me making it to a Rally, as I am not able to take that long of a time off of work to schedule the ferry, drive the whole state and the Al-Can, and then to Utah... then back...
I really want to, but right now definitely not in the budget... time or $$$...
Some people measure differently. Remove xx lbs from the rear xx inches behind the axle and then add xx lbs to the front xx inches in front of the front axle. Using this math it is conceivable that a total change of 500 lbs could be achieved...
Just a thought...
I ditched my lock too. I also had my crank fail, so I used my torch, cut the tire holder and dropped the tire. Then un-bolted the carrier. When I installed my replacement, I re-drilled the bolt holes to line up the crank with the passenger side wheel well, so that if I have camper or not, I can drop the tire from the side vice the rear.
This is a little trick I learned from some of the folks here. Sure beats lifting the TC to access the spare...;)
Glad to know no one was hurt, and good to know that even after a blow-out, it was controllable. I have not worried too much about my G-rated 19.5's, but I have been running them for many years, and may consider changing them prior to driving the AL-CAN when ever we do leave the state. But for now they look good!
Thanks for the update!
Thats a really good looking C-10! I am not sure about the paint. It does give it a cleaner appearance, If I ever painted mine, I would opt for a silver near the same palette as the anodized aluminum.