My proof is I own both a 2007 Sprinter and a 2014 E350. I did the math on the last 7,500 miles on both vehicles Ford V-10 WINS hands down.
The surprise repair bill of my Sprinter and the 10 days in the shop and the 10 day car rental if I would have spent if I was away from home would have totaled $2,000 actual repair bill, $1000.00 hotel room, $400.00 rental car, $1,000 in added meals cost comes to a whopping $4,400.00 PLUS the fuel charge for the sprinter $7,500.00 miles.
Not to mention if I only had a two week vacation I would have spent 10 days of that 14 day vacation in a motel in East Nowhere.
Don't shoot the messenger Sprinter drivers, but the Sprinter RV would have cost me $0.77 a mile for the last 7,500 miles while the GAS GUZZLING E350 cost me only $0.40 a mile for the last 7,500 miles.
I didn't spend a dime in service only fuel costs, now add repair, meals, room etc the Sprinter LOSES.
So if the Sprinter RV owners were honest with the real hard cost of ownership/ repairs/ breakdowns, then it's Obvious the GAS GUZZLING Ford E350 half the cost of the Sprinter to operate in this example.
Dang. This is not a competition. The anti-Sprinter crowd sure is sounding over-exercised and venomous.
We're talking about machines, not egos.
If you have, or had one, share your experience regarding reliability, and would you purchase one again. That's all the OP is asking about.
If you haven't owned one, maybe you should just stand down.
My Sprinter was great until the service bills became endless. The last $2,000.00 non budgeted unexpected repair bill was the straw that broke the camels back.
Being an advocate AGAINST the Sprinter is so the average Joe will look at both sides of the Sprinter and make an educated decision. There was not enough info out there on the USA model before I purchased mine. Had I read the stories of "reliability" here I would never purchased the Sprinter.
Sure you get the few maybe many that have great success, but there are way too many ongoing issues with the Sprinter that should make people take notice.
For me now just turning 100K miles with plenty of dealer visits, and months of down time sitting in the service bay waiting for repairs, the numbers don't lie.
Now it's all about trust. I simply DO NOT trust the Sprinter to go more than 100 miles from home or a dealer.
I purchased five vehicles at the same time (2) Hino Big Box trucks, (1) Jeep Commander, (1) Ford F250, (1) Sprinter. The have the same or more mileage, the Ford, The Jeep, The Sprinter- the Sprinter was the only vehicle of the the 5 that I spent the most money on and the most dealer time. Actually I spent more on the Sprinter than the other four combined in the last 7 years. Again number don't lie.
What I love about the Sprinter fans is they NEVER EVER calculate the high maintenance costs and deduct that from their fuel mileage costs.
Simple things like twice as much designer oil at $8-$12.00 a quart. Fuel filter every 10K miles $60.00 - $200.00.
Clear engine codes $95-$125.00 ea. time.
Injector replacement $1,200 - $2,000.
ERG valve replacement OFTEN - $500.00.
I have BOTH vehicle a 2007 Sprinter and a 2014 E350, both drove $7,500 miles. Ford never went to the dealer. Sprinter needed 2K in labor to clear a code and 10 days in the shop.
Sorry Sprinter people, but I will take poor fuel mileage all day long over high maintenance costs and loss of vehicle for weeks on end.
The Sprinter is a VACATION KILLER. If your retired, then that's OK because you can afford to spend 10 days in a motel while they figure out what's wrong with your vehicle. For the average guy that has 2 weeks vacation - losing 10 days in the shop is a VACATION KILLER. Add a couple of kids on that trip and your life would be a living H double hockey sticks.
In July I had the choice of buying a new Sprinter MH or a Ford E250 - I went with the E30 and have never been happier.
I'm not the ONLY one that thinks Sprinter don't hold up.....http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2014/1409_charter_communications_purchases_800_2015_ford_transit_vans/
Fedex is already going Promaster
Sprinters are not reliable. They have major emission problems, I just spent 2K on a Sprinter to clear a code and 10 days in the shop. That's just one of the many horror stories. I had to wait a month for a belt. My roof leaked ( NOT A RV EITHER ) fixed twice by dealer and still leaks.
Parts a crazy expensive, and the worst thing the Sprinter has going for it is the LACK OF QUALIFIED technicians, and the lack of dealerships.
I drove 7500 miles and only saw one Sprinter dealership, while I passed dozens of domestic dealers.
Buy one if you want to sell it before the warranty is us, and live and stay within 25 miles of a dealer, then they're GREAT - OH and if you can live without your vehicle for weeks at a time.
$200.00 for fuel filter
Get educated here and see thread after thread of PROBLEMS. Very few accolades.
Why buy from a dealer when you can buy direct from the manufacturer. I did saved thousands and they bent over backwards to make custom changes THAT I LOVE.
I added solar, two vets, upgraded AC, dark windows, levelers, etc. and all my additions were just what I wanted AND NEEDED.
Talk to Earl:
Sales Manager – Phoenix USA, Inc.
I came "this close" to that happening to me. The DMV guy gave me the paperwork to "check over" and I caught them making it a 2013 rather than a 2014. I said sorry it's a 2014 NOT a 2013, he said the Vehicle is a 2013, I said YES but the RV is a 2014...he made the change while I stood there. WHEW, because i hear it's miserable changing it after you walk out.
I have a 2012 MB ERA Sprinter RV. Have close to 25,000 miles and am about to get a Service B as per schedule. I am a bit shocked that the local MB dealer would want a minimum $800, and perhaps more than $1000, if the fuel filter and water separator needs to be replaced. I spoke to a non-MB mechanic and he said that he could do the Service B for $250, other than replacing the fuel filter and separator. He didn't think the vehicle, at 25000 miles, would require the fuel filter and water separator be replaced.
Could anyone comment as to whether or not they believe the fuel filter and water separator should be replaced? Does anyone have any comments as to the the MB Service B maintenance schedule ?
Ford had THE WORKS for $29.00 - for essentially THE EXACT SAME THING Mercedes wants $800.00.
This is what I've been saying since I got my 2007 Sprinter. You MAY save some fuel dollars buy in the LONG RUN you will be paying more that an RV running a V-10 gas engine in repair costs VS service costs.
I just spent 2K from a MB dealer to clear a "code" and they kept it for 10 days.
All you fan boys that love your Sprinter will rue the day.
Ford has issues with it's 6.0, the 7.3 was bullet proof so I went GM.
I had two Duramax Diesels and they both overheated. One was a 04, other an 05, that was it for me. Especially when I took it in for service and the service manage actually had the stones to tell me over heating on a diesel is " NORMAL" When I called GM to complain they said they never heard of the problem, even though they already had dozens of buy backs.
I Switched to Sprinter diesel and now I have nothing but problems with Mercedes Sprinter.
I've had it now with diesels and just bought a 2014 Ford V-10 and have never been happier.
Kendall, you can't compare that PC box, that gets 9 to 12 mpg, drives like a truck, and has no where near the build quality, to a Class B. :h
Not only can I compare but I did and selected the Ford over the Sprinter PC and they were both parked next to each other.
Now for the "mileage" since I own both, a Sprinter chassis - that is the worst piece of junk ever produced, and a Ford that gets 9-12 mpg, that pretty much makes me an expert and you just an observer.
Try doing a tad bit of research and you will see that the Sprinter chassis the the worst chassis ever produced for an RV. I just spent 2K last week and 10 days in the shop to clear an engine code, and that was the largest Mercedes dealer in Southern Ca. Heaven forbid I get an engine code while I'm in podunk Iowa, I would need to take up residency before my Sprinter would be released. and no extra underwear before you're over loaded in the Sprinter - I wasn't.
My "great mileage" Sprinter was in the shop a half dozen times before it hit 10K miles, by gas guzzler just did 7,500 miles in a month and drove by every Ford dealership and never needed to stop.
So let me ask you a question, what would losing 10 days in the shop do to a family vacation that is two weeks long?
Wanna talk about carry weight now or would that embarrass the Sprinter too much, you know where the "truck" can carry 2,000 pound MORE than the Sprinter. You might be happy packing one pair of pants
I'll save you and other the pages of internet search on how poor the quality of the Mercedes is, look it up yourself. Just know I actually OWN both chassis and you are nothing more than a spectator parroting talking points.
As far as fuel economy I ran the numbers and yes the Sprinter gets better mpg and my Ford will get low mpg but the difference will easily be recovered and then passed with lower maintenance costs yearly. Also my 350 will be carrying and WHOLE LOT more that the Sprinter BOX, and I will never spend 10 days in the service department.
Do you want to hear how I had to wait a month for a belt from Germany on my Sprinter, I could drive to Detroit and pick up a belt if I needed to for my Ford, and be home the next day.
So go ahead parrot your " WE GET GREAT MPG'S" talking point till the cows come home, but the RV race is decided on service reliability and the Ford, Dodge, Chevy have Mercedes beat hands down.
I'll always take reliability over MPG and I just spent 85K to prove it.
See, I can compare the Sprinter over the gas guzzler and the Sprinter lost AGAIN.
Before you purchase, give Phoenix Cruiser a hard look. I just did 7,500 miles since picking my unit up at the factory June 17th.
You get factory pricing which I calculated saved me around 30K for a similar unit from other manufacturers.
They bent over backwards as to my adding features like, jacks, solar, extra fans, bigger AC etc.
in 30 years, I've owned a truck campers two class C's, a class A and this has been the best RV I've ever owned. The size is PERFECT and no need for a toad as it gets me everywhere I need to go.
My "rogh math" would be something like this
5000 miles in three weeks = 21 days,
5000 miles average 8 mpg 625 gallons
635 gallons $3.80 / gallon = $2,375.00
21 camp ground stays $40.00 / night = $840.00
21 days food, times (3) meals a day average $15.00 a meal = $945.00
Total cost 21 days not including maintenance, insurance, price of the RV, etc. $198.00 a day.
My biggest concern after reading these type of posts since Al Gore invented the internet in the 90's is WHY.
Why do people care how many MPG a vehicle gets or how much it costs to have fun RVing.
Bottom line, you will never ever be able to justify MPG, and the price of Rving, NEVER.
It's just a great fun thing to do with the family and no price can ever be placed on that.
If you offered me one million dollars and said - you can not sit around a campfire deep in the forest with your family eating smores and hot dogs, I would tell them where to place that million dollars, and that place would hurt afterwards.
For me it's Michelins on everything. Last year I went to get my Michelins rotated ( every 7K miles ) for free, they had 40K miles on them still had plenty of tread, and were 5 years old. Dealer noticed some hair line cracks, called Michelin and they gave me $70.00 / tire credit on a new set.
My tires get abused out here in the sun 24/7 with temps 120 plus every day in the summer.
One last comparison. I had a new set of tires on a truck I bought, but I wanted the better ride of the Michelins so I switched them out. I took the "take offs" and put them in the truck, and handed the installer the Michelins. OH MY the difference in the weight was phenomenal between the two tires. The Michelins had what seemed like twice the rubber/weight of the ones that were on the rig.
Go to a store and try lifting the Michelin RIB and feel the weight of those tires LT245/75R16
LT245/75R16 Load range E ....3042 lbs MAX LOAD.
I have the same engine, same year, and I have had several V-10's. The one thing I've learned about the V-10, is they will pull at high RPM's all day long without an issue.
I also have the same engine in a service utility truck I use with equal results in high RPM's.
I've done the same mountains, and just came back from a three week cruise and a two day cruise yesterday through the mountains.
I will add this, the V-10 performed a WHOLE LOT BETTER with a premium synthetic oil. I picked up my phoenix cruiser V-10 on June 17th, and today I just turned 7,500 miles.
I used the break in oil for the first 7,000 miles and changed to a quality synthetic oil and words can not explain how different the engine runs now. Smoother, quieter, "seems to have more power quicker" and runs cooler.
So, don't be afraid of using the RPM's to the max on these, they will take it and beg for more. One thing I do is change the oil much more often when I running RPM's for long periods as for me it seems the equivalent of running a rave car on the track, or a drag racer running full out.
The other caveat is the weight of the coach and the weight of the jeep. I did have one Class C with a basement that I overloaded along with towing a HEAVY Jeep Rubicon. That was a 30 mph hill climb through the Rockies no matter what I did.
Just beware of all the Sprinter problems before you buy. Do your research. I just had to spend 2K on my sprinter because of "dirty DPF". Having owned a Sprinter and having many problems and EXPENSIVE service issues, along with poor reliability, last month I bought a 2014 Ford based E350 gas guzzler. I'm more interested in reliability over saving fuel.
Ya I get that the next 10 posters will say " I LOVE MY SPRINTER I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM" ...well I was one of those "Sprinter lovers" till the repair bills topped 10K on my Sprinter, while at the same time I never spent a dime on my Ford F250 bought at the same time.
The OP Phoenix Cruiser is certainly attractive. Congratulations. Not too wide either, I wonder about the comments re diesel problems. Havent had any myself. I DID have a V10 in my Winnebago Aspect. It went into limp mode soon after purchase due to defective throttle positioner valve(pse note), as it seems to be a problem. It was hard on gas and seemed to really rev highly on the Coquihalla mountain route, not climbing any faster than my little I-5 diesel Sprinter. I think that the PW maple cabinetry in my and other PWs is hard to beat for quality--Amish assemblers or not-- but I am pleased you are content with the quality of your MH. A lot of rvs nowadays are built with LAMINATE and otgher materials and they dont look good despite their fancy names. If i were buying a E350 I would consider the 'Cruiser as well as the PW Pursuit. Just my observations based on past experience.
Here's the main reason Sprinter diesel vs. Ford V-10. Between Indiana and TN, I passed more than a dozen Ford dealerships, many right on the freeway . I have yet to see a Sprinter dealer. Same for me at home with my Sprinter, I have to go two hours for service.
No doubt the Sprinter has better fuel mileage, but the V10 has AMAZING power on all the mountain hills I climbed this week, and service is always just around the corner.
For me I want the security of service AND PARTS, over saving fuel dollars. If a Sprinter goes down and needs to be towed hundreds of miles and or wait for parts from Germany there goes the entire trip down the toilet. I needed to wait a month for a belt coming from Germany on my Sprinter from the dealer. I called a dealer in Germany and got it in a week.
No thank you, I am so much more relaxed knowing a Ford dealer is close to me wherever I travel.
I guess I am lucky here, Mercedes dealer services Sprinters and I have a dealer South of me some 30 miles and about the same distance North of me, both on Vancouver Island, BC. There are lots of Sprinters on the road here doing commercial work and MB even has special bays for servicing them. So far my PW has been bullet-proof.
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It's all about maneuverability. I just did 5K on my small C and went to places I would never consider in a bigger C or a class A ( I had both bigger C's and class A ).
My thoughts were always " if you're going to spend X amount on an RV get the biggest you can for the money. Well I did that and made a mistake, because I never could take it to many areas that I wanted to go.
On this last trip I used the small C as a vacation car, a camper, a resting place when the wife and daughter went shopping, essentially it went everywhere.
In the past I would go from RV spot to RV spot and that was it, then we were suck with no toad.
The small C get me everywhere and I get to sleep in it to boot.
Even though I only have 6K miles on it I took it in for an alignment, sure enough it was out. Alignment guy said bring it in with 3/4 tank full of water and 1/2 tank fuel and he aligned to those specs.
I suggest everyone who buys a coach new drive straight to the alignment center or force the dealer to do it before you pick it up.
I own a Sprinter van and just purchased a 24' E350 Ford RV and the difference between the two is small as far as I'm concerned. The 24' Phoenix Cruiser drives as well as the Sprinter, still parks in one parking spot albeit a little longer, but then so is my sprinter in one parking spot.
I wend with Ford because of the poor reliability with the Sprinter and lack of available service facilities across the USA.
I'd rather spend more on fuel and less on service, so for me it comes out the same in the long run between the two and saving money.
I just drove a HARD, HARD 5000 miles last moth and not one bit of trouble with the Ford. Power was exceptional, carry weight is unbelievable, room inside was great, no complaints.