Yup, PCs are at the very top of my list. I am really thinking about making a trip to Elkhart this summer and checking out the PC, Nexus, and other factories.
The part I liked about buying in Elkhart, is you can shake hands with the guys that built your rig, and have coffee with the owner before you take a slow tour of the build floor. They have no secrets and seeing the builds in action actually allows you to see " behind the curtain" of your rig.
Another great part is you get a LONG, LONG, LONG introduction to your coach by people that actually have real answers to your questions - not like talking to a sales person. If you want to spend the night, you're welcome to do that. Then they fill up all the tanks, just to ass a cherry on top of their service.
Hi Class C Forum,
However, since I am at the beginning of my RV quest, EVERYTHING is possible and I can change my mind as much as I want. Besides, being too windy, what are your thoughts about my RV review? Are there issues, variables, or other items that I still need to factor into the equation? The only reason that I know what I know is because of the expertise, wisdom, passion, and experience shared by those like you on this forum.
Dean I was in the same boat as you. I went from a Class C, to a truck camper, then another bigger class C, then a Class A, and each had its own set of challenges, and or my needs and desires changes.
I waited a few years before my next purchase as I swear it would be my last.
I selected the Phoenix Cruiser, and I can honestly say it is one of the finest RV's I've been in and or owned.
The greatest thing about Phoenix cruiser, is you buy from the factory and they will bend over backwards to customize your purchase.
Here's a bonus when buying a Phoenix, you don't get "hassled" by repair facilities that sell RV and them putting you at the bottom of the list because you didn't buy XYZ tv from them.
Fro me it was about PRICE, VALUE, ratio. I looked at the Born free, but WOW was that price out of my league.
All the woodwork is done by the Amish, I went with the back kitchen and slide out and it is a perfect combination of road cruiser with everything stowed away and no permanent bed taking up valuable real estate. All fiberglass so no leaks and I can attest to that and being in rain and hurricanes right after my purchase.
All in all I'm one happy camper.
It would have been nice then for both salesguys I dealt with to mention it then .
I told them I have never bought any vehicles out of state.
Instead of saying yes we met your offer price OTD with me repeating in both telephone conversations and emails...
EVERYTHING Out The Door and they assured me they agreed on my offer UNTIL the paper agreement was emailed over for me to print ,sign and fax back...
I will be contacting the owner next week and see if there will be any resolution to what has transpired between his salesman and myself ?
I have every email back and forth as well...
OTD price means the price it takes to get you Out The Door. As far as they are concerned, registration fees are not included in the OTD price. They can't charge you the registration fees since they are not involved with the registration process.
It seems unreasonable to expect a dealer to be required to know what the registration fees are of all 50 states. The dealer gave you what you asked for.
Not ALWAYS correct. Number one EVERYTHING is negotiable. I'm dealing with a dealer now and told him I want the OTD price and he asked "does that include tax reg etc." I said it includes everything so I don't pay a dime afterwards with anyone but you. He understood and quoted accordingly.
Dealing with ANYONE is smart to be clear, understandable and get it in writing. Stop all confusion.
I negotiated on a vehicle years ago and we agreed to terms, they pulled up the new vehicle, I unloaded my stuff from my vehicle and started the transfer into the new vehicle. We went in to sign the final paperwork, and I noticed the price was quite a bit different than what "I understood"
I said " I understood the price to be zyx" finance guy said " oh no the price is "abc" ...confused I said call in the sales guy. Sales guy said " oh no I didn't say that" . I said go get my car and switch all my stuff back - I'M OUTTA HERE.
Second time I went ti purchase a new Jeep for my daughter ( RED of course ). She did her selfie pics to send her friends, etc. I started to sign the paperwork and I asked what the finance rate was. He said at the time it was like 9%. I said WHAT? I can get 3% anywhere on the planet. Sales guy came back in with a yellow legal piece of paper full of scribble and said " LOOK you agreed to the finance rater right here"
At that point I had my daughter leave the room and get me some water. When she returned all the swearing and screaming on my part was finished and we left the dealership with no new RED Jeep. It was a long silent ride home for her and I.
What she learned that day was more valuable than anything college could teach her.
Ok I like 5000 miles, so being I only drive the MH 2000 miles a year, I only need to change it every 2 1/2years, right?
Ya why not. I've already proved that oil in my tractor was just fine after 15 years.....Motor and gear oil last almost indefinite, they do not have an expired time. The issue is the SAE rating and thus oils that sit or are stored normally fail to meet these standards after some years pass.
Used oil, that has gone thru a few or many heating and cooling cycles looses it's properties over time and when sitting will cake up around the edges depending on the air available, but will retain its lubricating properties.
I don't repeat internet here say. I changed the oil in my tractor, I used it, it sat for 15 years, I started it and used it again. It's now been sitting for three years after that.
Amazing that with so many responses NO ONE has indicated oil analysis.
Changing oil every 3K is a waste of good money. Here's a few facts I've experienced.
Why NOT to change oil every 3K
3K oil change myth
I bought a VW and the manual said change every 3K, the European manual of the same car, same engine, same year, same color, same seats, same tires, said to change every 10K miles. Now that if proof right there that the 3K thing " per manufacturer" is a myth. Why does a car sold in Europe get to change at 10K while in the USA it's 3K. Later VW changed that and I think it's 10K now for USA models also.
Now for some fun facts that I personally experience not internet here say. I purchased a lemon from a manufacturer and my case was solid, I knew I would get a new vehicle from them so I vowed NEVER to change the oil on the lemon they sold me. Well, the case wet three years and I drove that vehicle 60K in that three years, and I never changed the fluids. Same original oil filter, obviously I put oil in if it went down, but only 3-4 quarts over that period. She still ran great when I finally turned her back in ( the lemon part had nothing to do with the engine )
I have a Kubota tractor that the last oil change was 15 years ago, and I plough fields with her which is a lot harder than any MH will ever endure.
Lastly there a oil manufacturers that will warranty their oil for 25K.
So my point is, no one on the planet can tell by looking at the oil, or by the miles or hours run on any oil if it's good or not.
If you're skeptical send in an oil sample have it tested, and see how far you can go with the oil you use on that vehicle. You only need to sample it twice. Once at let's say 10K, and if it comes back - good to use, test again at 15K, then you know at least you can go to 15K or back it down to the 10K.
My wife car has 130K miles on it and I've changed the oil 4 times and the car runs as good as the day we bought it, but I do put the best oil they make in it.
It's all about the math. After you figure travel expense, time, inconvenience factor etc. it either works or it doesn't.
Example: If a MY is 10 cheaper across Country and it costs 10K to get it then it's a wash.
Now for caveat. Lets say you live in Ca. and there is a deal in NY and it costs you the same amount to buy in NY as in CA. The advantage would be you buy in NY and get to travel back home and see the Country, and you ONLY have to drive across the Country ONCE - not twice ( back and forth )
Sorta what I did, I live in Ca., I purchased in Indiana, shipped all my camping gear to the hotel in Indiana, bought the RV and drove ONE WAY across the USA. So for me it saved me a week in drive time and many hundreds of dollars in fuel. So it was actually a WIN for me to buy across Country.
I do it every six months, only pay for 1/2 a year on three of my vehicles.
Sort of a gamble if someone breaks in and damages them or a fire breaks out, but a gamble I'm willing to take. Been doing it for over 20 years. Insurance companies hate me but who cares, because I hate paying them for full coverage when I don't drive them.
I also do take them off with the state as inoperative during those six months.
Not a problem I called a dealer in Canada when the dollar was good and had an RV store drive down an RV delivered to my door. I drove it for two years and sold it no problem.
Second one I purchased a Class C from a Canadian in California. Had Canadian plates and metric MPH gauges.
When I went to register it in the USA they said I needed an Import document. Went down got the document, I think it was free showing origin. Because it was a FORD chassis the original origin was USA so no import duties.
One mistake I did make is not make the owner get a smog certificate. Found out he removed the catalytic converter and that cost me $1000.00 to have one put on. Lesson learned.
An easier solution is a 3' up 6' extension cord with a male and female socket on it them you can put a tri tap ( three outlet ) connection. Then you can use three devises 3' - 6' away from the outlet. Most truck stops have them ..or AMAZON
Looks like things will finally happen with all the Sprinter Roof Leaks. Please tell me again how great Mercedes Products are. I own a LEAKER Special, and Mercedes wants ME to pay THOUSANDS to fix their design flaws and faulty workmanship
Sprinter Roof Leaks
Here is a photo, for recline function.
After spending $2,000.00 on my Sprinter to find / fix an engine code in Aug, I drove a whole 1000 miles before the AC compressor went out, and guess what it just happens to be $2,200.00 to fix.
Sprinter people dump your Sprinter before the warranty runs out as the repairs will cripple you.
Here's another '"HAPPY" Sprinter owner. My gas Guzzler has crossed the USA and I have yet to spend a dime on repairs, or a day waiting for parts. Every time I read yet another Sprinter Horror story I smile and it confirms I made the right decision going with a dependable gas guzzler over a "leave you stranded" fuel saver. RVing is a place where dependability and no down time is FAR FAR FAR more important than saving MPG...IMHO
Need some help. Stuck in Albuquerque.
My answer is no way. It's all about TRUST on the road. I don't care how well someone took care of a vehicle, you as the next owner needs TRUST.
I purchased a immaculate Class A with only 17K miles on it. It was about 7 years old but looks like it came off the showroom floor. Old couple only used for two long trips, so I bought it.
After replacing all hoses, all belts, tires, all fluids etc to make me fee comfortable for a long trip, I hit the road. First trip the main drain to the grey water broke at the top of the tank, I was quoted 5K to fix it because of where it was. I fixed it on my own by cutting a chunk of floor out. Next trip another PVC pipe broke under the sink, in a bad place not easily accessible.
Final trip the fuel pump went out inside the tank. Well that was it for me, I sold it the day I got home, and never looked back.
If you can't trust something then it's gotta go and with older of high mileage vehicles you never know what will pop up next.
The only caveat, is f you have plenty of time and money to constantly fix your rig, then go for it,
For me I want to spend what little free time I have ENJOYING myself not sitting in dealer waiting rooms, in motels waiting for parts, or on the side of the road waiting for tows.
I know buying anything news SUX, but the warranty is worth it and the trust level is up there. Do new vehicles also break down, sure they do, but like I said it's all about TRUST, and generally you can trust some new over something used any day of the week.
My proof is I own both a 2007 Sprinter and a 2014 E350. I did the math on the last 7,500 miles on both vehicles Ford V-10 WINS hands down.
The surprise repair bill of my Sprinter and the 10 days in the shop and the 10 day car rental if I would have spent if I was away from home would have totaled $2,000 actual repair bill, $1000.00 hotel room, $400.00 rental car, $1,000 in added meals cost comes to a whopping $4,400.00 PLUS the fuel charge for the sprinter $7,500.00 miles.
Not to mention if I only had a two week vacation I would have spent 10 days of that 14 day vacation in a motel in East Nowhere.
Don't shoot the messenger Sprinter drivers, but the Sprinter RV would have cost me $0.77 a mile for the last 7,500 miles while the GAS GUZZLING E350 cost me only $0.40 a mile for the last 7,500 miles.
I didn't spend a dime in service only fuel costs, now add repair, meals, room etc the Sprinter LOSES.
So if the Sprinter RV owners were honest with the real hard cost of ownership/ repairs/ breakdowns, then it's Obvious the GAS GUZZLING Ford E350 half the cost of the Sprinter to operate in this example.
Dang. This is not a competition. The anti-Sprinter crowd sure is sounding over-exercised and venomous.
We're talking about machines, not egos.
If you have, or had one, share your experience regarding reliability, and would you purchase one again. That's all the OP is asking about.
If you haven't owned one, maybe you should just stand down.
My Sprinter was great until the service bills became endless. The last $2,000.00 non budgeted unexpected repair bill was the straw that broke the camels back.
Being an advocate AGAINST the Sprinter is so the average Joe will look at both sides of the Sprinter and make an educated decision. There was not enough info out there on the USA model before I purchased mine. Had I read the stories of "reliability" here I would never purchased the Sprinter.
Sure you get the few maybe many that have great success, but there are way too many ongoing issues with the Sprinter that should make people take notice.
For me now just turning 100K miles with plenty of dealer visits, and months of down time sitting in the service bay waiting for repairs, the numbers don't lie.
Now it's all about trust. I simply DO NOT trust the Sprinter to go more than 100 miles from home or a dealer.
I purchased five vehicles at the same time (2) Hino Big Box trucks, (1) Jeep Commander, (1) Ford F250, (1) Sprinter. The have the same or more mileage, the Ford, The Jeep, The Sprinter- the Sprinter was the only vehicle of the the 5 that I spent the most money on and the most dealer time. Actually I spent more on the Sprinter than the other four combined in the last 7 years. Again number don't lie.
What I love about the Sprinter fans is they NEVER EVER calculate the high maintenance costs and deduct that from their fuel mileage costs.
Simple things like twice as much designer oil at $8-$12.00 a quart. Fuel filter every 10K miles $60.00 - $200.00.
Clear engine codes $95-$125.00 ea. time.
Injector replacement $1,200 - $2,000.
ERG valve replacement OFTEN - $500.00.
I have BOTH vehicle a 2007 Sprinter and a 2014 E350, both drove $7,500 miles. Ford never went to the dealer. Sprinter needed 2K in labor to clear a code and 10 days in the shop.
Sorry Sprinter people, but I will take poor fuel mileage all day long over high maintenance costs and loss of vehicle for weeks on end.
The Sprinter is a VACATION KILLER. If your retired, then that's OK because you can afford to spend 10 days in a motel while they figure out what's wrong with your vehicle. For the average guy that has 2 weeks vacation - losing 10 days in the shop is a VACATION KILLER. Add a couple of kids on that trip and your life would be a living H double hockey sticks.
In July I had the choice of buying a new Sprinter MH or a Ford E250 - I went with the E30 and have never been happier.
I'm not the ONLY one that thinks Sprinter don't hold up.....http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2014/1409_charter_communications_purchases_800_2015_ford_transit_vans/
Fedex is already going Promaster
Sprinters are not reliable. They have major emission problems, I just spent 2K on a Sprinter to clear a code and 10 days in the shop. That's just one of the many horror stories. I had to wait a month for a belt. My roof leaked ( NOT A RV EITHER ) fixed twice by dealer and still leaks.
Parts a crazy expensive, and the worst thing the Sprinter has going for it is the LACK OF QUALIFIED technicians, and the lack of dealerships.
I drove 7500 miles and only saw one Sprinter dealership, while I passed dozens of domestic dealers.
Buy one if you want to sell it before the warranty is us, and live and stay within 25 miles of a dealer, then they're GREAT - OH and if you can live without your vehicle for weeks at a time.
$200.00 for fuel filter
Get educated here and see thread after thread of PROBLEMS. Very few accolades.