The F150 EB has a reputation as a strong TV. But it’s still a ½ ton. If I were considering as massive a TT as you are I’d be inclined to go with a heavier built ¾ ton, too. Just because the TT falls within the TV rating doesn’t mean you’ll enjoy pulling it. Most especially if you want to do any mountain driving.
From reading these posts for a long time my impression is people who pull near their max don’t like the experience and most often upgrade the TV or sometimes go to a smaller TT. Then again, one frequent poster, Skip, has an EB and pulls a 30’ plus TT and is perfectly happy with it. Maybe he’ll chip in with some firsthand info.
Then, too, don’t overlook where you want to go. If you stay in tame areas and like commercial parks it shouldn’t be a problem. But the size can be very restrictive for a lot of campgrounds and more scenic roads and areas and you’ll likely have to make reservations to ensure you have a site. Plus you’ll need to be careful where you gas up or pull off because of the difficulty of maneuvering tight areas.
I wouldn’t go with a 10% HW, you’ll likely be closer to the 15%. In lieu of having some real world numbers I’d use the GVWR of the TT for your calculations. Too, I would ignore the effect of the WD hitch to squeeze in under the ratings. Others may disagree, but that always struck me as bordering on an act of desperation.
I don’t think you can tell much in two miles, but it looks good to me. I pull a 3000# wet single axle TT with an F150 and don’t need WD and I don’t have a hint of sway. And my TW is 300-320# which is on the light side.
I used to tow with a Bronco and once in awhile got a bit of minor sway that I tweaked out with the manual control. When I went to the longer WB F150 its solid as a rock. Since nothing else changed but the WB that’s what I attribute it to. That and all the scary close calls I’m personally aware of have all occurred with short WB vehicles.
I’d just take it on a trip and push the envelope slowly and see how it handles, if there’s an issue you’ll recognize it. But my guess is you won’t need either WD or sway.
I don’t pull a big rig but I think its self evident that the bigger one is the more difficult it is to maneuver tight places and fit in others. The key, though, is where you want to go. If you are happy with commercial parks and well developed camping locations the length should not be a problem. If you like the scenic roads and less developed scenic areas, then that size will likely be a severe handicap.
I can’t make a flat statement, but I suspect a very large amount of the state parks would be off limits, too. It’s really a tradeoff between size and comfort and ability to go where you like. Sort of a you can’t have your cake and eat it too type thing. Even 30’would be far too restrictive for me, but as said where you want to go is key.
As said, any nationwide chain can refill them, no problem. Just be careful if you get a 90 day supply by mail that they DON’T mail them to your home address. Happened to me once and I had to get an additional supply where I was in FL. Had a devil of a time sorting that “oversupply” out with the insurance company.
I don't think there's a rule. I figure anything with wheels qualifies as an RV because its for recreation and its a vehicle because it has wheels. So anything without wheels is camping.
I think Jim’s definition comes the closest to my perception of camping. I don’t think the definition is precise; it’s more a matter of degree. I doubt there’s any debate that someone with a big RV who stays in FHU campgrounds is RVing. Likewise, that a backpacker or someone in a tent is camping. It’s the in between than begins to blur.
My thought is it’s not only where you go, but how you go that defines it. Or the degree one separates themselves from “civilization” and the comforts of home. I don’t feel someone in an RV with all the amenities and a generator to operate them is “camping” regardless of where they’re at. It’s little different than renting a cabin in the woods and that’s not camping.
Even my austere form of camping in my little TT, sans HU’s, generators, electrical appliances, tv’s, radios, ac or heat isn’t “camping” to the degree I would be with my wall tent and Coleman stove and lantern. But I still consider it camping. So I think this is one of those debates that someone said get the popcorn and sit back.:)
Boy, I’m surprised how many ladies popped up here who boondock. Sometimes we write without really thinking about what we’re saying and from our own perspective. When I think boondocking in the manner I do it, I think no generators, no electrical appliances, no a/c or furnace. And no showers, waters too critical, sponge baths have to do. Basically tent camping in a hard sided tent. But I forget one can “boondock” and still have all of those if they’re equipped for it. I still haven’t seen any solo ladies where I go, but I’ll have to be careful that I don’t over generalize in the future lest someone comes along to make me eat crow.:)
Being a female I’d think you could answer that better than us guys.:) But for the most part I think the girls like their creature comforts. A shower every day, being able to blow the hair dry, clean clothes to put on – and stay clean, and so on. They see little redeeming features in deliberately exposing themselves to hardship.
The dear wife is an exception, like some of the other ladies on here. She likes her comforts, too, but accepts the hardship as part of the experience. If you’re talking about a lady solo, I think safety is another factor. I generally go pretty far back in and I don’t ever recall seeing a lady by herself. Not saying they weren’t there, but I’ve never seen them. Though I do recall a cute little lady artist in a campground in Zion that was by herself and who needed help with her camp stove. But before I got a chance to really talk to her the DW made sure she knew who “belonged” to who.:D
The oddest thing I remember was during a camping trip up on the rim in AZ on a weekend. A couple of pickups pulled into a site and they got out and set up a tent. Then they proceeded to unload a living room couch and put it by the tent. I think there were some other things they brought from the house or the patio but I was so overwhelmed by the couch I don’t remember what they were. I thought they looked more like refugees from an invading army than campers but I guess it takes all kinds.
As a rule of thumb your 300 to 400 miles a day isn’t bad. Driving by miles or hours has never worked for me, though. My time and mileage is more determined by how much of interest there is to see in an area. If there’s little to see, 1000 miles solo in a day is rather common for me and that would probably be the best part of two days if I were towing. On the other hand, if there’s a lot to see a bicycle could probably keep up with my pace.
I often go to southern CO and UT and I make the drive in about 10 hours counting stops, and that’s about 400 miles. I generally wander wherever whim takes me on the trip out until I run out of time and then put the hammer down coming back. The longest “non-stop” drive I recall making was from Crater Lake to Phoenix towing my PU and that was somewhat over 1100 miles. Since I retired I can now wander both directions which is a nice perk.
Yes another question and I know the dealership will try and sell. Basic warranty is for 1 yr. is it worth the money and what is a reasonable charge. Thanks
Probably not for a TT but many people buy them for peace of mind. Read the fine print like a lawyer, between the deductibles, caps and exclusions you’re very likely to have less coverage than appears on the surface. Everyone pushes them which is a good indication they are a lucrative profit center. Some people have bad luck or get a bad unit and it pays well for them, most people will pay more for the warranty than they would have for the repairs. To me it makes more sense to put the money in an account and add small amounts to it periodically. Odds are you’ll cover your repairs and have cash left over for whatever.
I can’t speak to the t @ b but I’ve used a 16’TT since 1989 and it’s been almost perfect for our style of camping. And most of the time we’ve traveled with two and or three kids. It wouldn’t be the best choice if we wanted to “live” in it and lounge around watching tv, but we don’t do that. We camp well off the pavement, usually in national forests, and spend most of our time outside.
We once thought of going to about an 18’, but between the full beds and lack of windows I felt like I was in a closet compared to mine. It has a small side bathroom and 8 windows and feels more open than the larger, newer units. If you want to get back in the most pristine spots the 16’ should work fine for you. If you want to spend a lot of time inside you may want to think somewhat bigger.
Elk hunting, huh. Maybe some rough FWD roads with big holes and mud? I once used a company Chevy Blazer on a job back in the boonies in bad weather. Coming out I hit a huge mud hole that twisted the vehicle so badly it literally torn the rear floor pan away from the side panel and the rear tire threw mud into the back of the truck. Just a thought about how one might split a bed like that.
All RV’s are compromises between comfort and amenities and access to places you may want to go. And different types are best suited to how one wants to travel. MH’s are nice for primarily traveling on pavement with short stops as opposed to “camping” somewhere for extended periods, especially off pavement. Think big bucks, they’re not cheap to operate. And it’s very likely you’ll want to pull a toad. A big rig of any kind can be a PITA to sightsee in busy or tight quarters and you won’t like breaking camp to run to the local store. Not a good choice for true remote campgrounds.
FW’s tend to be big and they tow well. But the pin weight is very heavy and it takes at least a ¾ ton TV to pull one and possibly more depending on the size. Height can be an issue and they don’t work well for forest camping for that reason. You also lose the use of the PU bed, but they have a lot of storage space. They’re used by a lot of full timers but again not the best choice for remote camping.
TT’s would do the job overall pretty well, depending on the size. You don’t have the storage of a FW but you still have the PU bed free. The longer it is the more restrictions you’ll have getting in more remote areas. If I were forced to draw a line somewhere for remote camping, I’d say stay below 25’. I go as far back in as I can and I use a 16’ TT and I might still manage up to about 19’. After that too many restrictions for my taste. But one doesn’t have to go all the way back in. The smaller ones you can pull with a ½ ton, the bigger ones think ¾ ton.
You didn’t mention TC’s and that’s another option for one person and a dog. It would work well for traveling and with 4wd you could also get it in some very remote places. Except for some heavily treed areas, again because of the height. You wouldn’t have the space of the other types of RV’s and you’d have the same issue of breaking camp to sightsee or run to the store of a MH.
I’m not fond of untralights, I tend to associate weight with build quality, which is important if you go off pavement. Northwood is one of my favorites, they’re designed for that and I hear good things about Lance. I’m sure there are some others out there I’m not familiar with, too.
I’d look for a pristine rig a few years old, you won’t take the major depreciation hit if find your original criteria is not what you really want in a unit and you want to change it out. You mention the 30’ area and I’m not sure that’s not overkill for one person and a dog, I think you could go much smaller and still be comfortable and with less access problems. Good luck in your decision, once you clarify how you want to travel and where you want to go, your style, it will be much easier to narrow down the field.
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on everything. I, too, think Northwood would be near the top of my list to check out. And a ¾ ton would handle them fine. A 25 footer would work well in the NP’s COE, and state parks. It may be a bit too big if you want to boondock in national forests, though, because of the heavy trees and narrow forest roads. But that really depends how far back in you want to go and you have to balance that off with all the other features you want. I was going to add solar but I see you already got that. A good feature if you camp in the open, but of questionable value if you spend a lot of time forest camping.
Space for a porta potty. So it doesn't have a bathroom? How about a black tank? If not it might not be the greatest for the MIL. But if the expensive stuff works and it has no water damage I think it's a bargain for hunting and fishing trips and similar.
2001 F150 4x4 Lariat. 5040# empty, 5520# with me, DW and two teenage granddaughters and little else, so 480# in the TV. I've since added a Snug Tight shell which would add to that weight. My 16’ TT empty 2420#, loaded to go 2920# including ~140# of water, so 500# in the TT. So I’m running about 65% of my GCVWR which is why mountain grades aren’t an issue at all and that’s the way I like it. It’s likely if I were pulling a big, heavy TT I’d be a diesel guy, though.
I don’t spend much time on freeways but when I do 65 is my absolute max and I’m usually a little below that. It has nothing to do with the speed rating on the tires; I just don’t feel comfortable towing any faster. And my TV sweet spot is right in that area. Most towing is on secondary roads and I’m more likely to be in the 50-55 mph area.
I can’t specifically remember doing that, but I’m sure we did. Most likely long weekends, knowing the DW she would get antsy if we left them for a full week. But I see nothing wrong with leaving them with grandma if she’s up to it and the kids loved staying with her.
We’ve been on both sides of the equation, too, My granddaughters practically lived with us and we took them on long cross country camping trips every year for many years. I think our DIL sometimes wished they didn’t like us so much.:)