Well hopefully the OP has learned a valuable lesson here? That being to never again waste time suffering the vengeful wrath of clueless internet experts......
Let's take a moment to review the finding of all the "experts"
#1 The OP failed to hitch correctly, and compounded such by failing to inspect his work.
Here in the real world there is absolutely no way to determine if he did, or did not perform these tasks correctly, but many of you are quite sure that you know more than a professional who does this everyday. Laughable at best.
#2 The recall of defective Lippert couplers is an anomaly, and this fine, trustworthy company, with no history of issues, couldn't possibly be having another problem in this area.
This may be my favorite. Wow, just wow. An outfit that is legendary for structural failures of their products, what could go wrong?
#3 It's all because he didn't have weight distribution. No sane professional would ever tow without one. After all I use it, so it's the right thing to do. He is obviously incompetent.
Here is a news flash for all you "towing pros" The percentage of transporters using weight distribution when delivering TTS is statistically insignificant!!! The last couple I saw with using one told me that they are the only one in their company to use it, and it can be an issue, since some dealers complain about damage to the paint on the tongue when you take it off.
#4 The OP needs to contact NHTSA immediately, because that will make a difference.
Really, seriously? What was it, thirteen deaths, a dozen years and hundreds of reports until GM just addressed the ignition issue in some of their early 2000s cars. Really, seriously. What did NHTSA do about the deaths and destruction caused by their factory hitch receiver failures on the 99-2006 trucks.......... Oh, wait, I know the answer, NOTHING.
I'm sure that this list has a few more, but given the general tone of this whole thread, it's all falling on deaf ears anyway. A lot of you need to get over yourselves. The guy had an issue and asked for information, not your ridiculous "fact finding" and ruling on things you know little, to nothing, of.
Typical post here. The OP explains that he is a professional hauler who had a failure that appears to be related to a defective coupler, and may be a defect as it has happened to two other drivers recently. Which, predictably, is then followed by lots of amateurs telling him that it is impossible. Oddly enough, someone posts the recall info. indicating that it is not only possible, but happening to (shockingly) Lippert. Same sheet, different day.
Gdetrailer, funny you should mention the chipper accident. My son is a safety engineer who worked for that chipper manufacturer at a factory service and rental facility in Pittsburgh. They are brutal when it comes to who leaves the yard with a chipper and how it's hitched. Doesn't matter if you are a supervisor for one of their best accounts, or a weekend homeowner, if you don't have a tow vehicle that can do the job, and the trailer isn't hooked up 110% correct, you aren't leaving the gate. In our area, one of the big regional tree clearing and power line ROW outfits just spent months clearing lines. They spent the day in front of the house and I noticed that reattaching the chipper was a two man job. One guy hooked it up and checked the lights. Once he got in the truck, the driver hopped out and double checked everything.
Well you picked two CGs that are pretty much polar opposites. Old Mill is IN the thick of things. It's right tight to an kiddy amusement park, and it's possible that you would get assigned a site just a few feet from the rollercoaster. It is well run, pretty basic and located in a quiet creekside valley, behind businesses, on the busiest stretch of the busiest road in the area. You can literally pull out of their drive on a Saturday afternoon and spend half an hour going a few miles in either direction. It also has really odd site layouts, as shown on their map. Basically two rigs back into a T shaped site and face each other. Having been to hundreds of campgrounds, I have never seen this layout anywhere else. All in all, it's a good place that we have been to repeatedly.
Lake-in-wood is a completely different experience. It's more of a destination resort. They have indoor and outdoor pools, a large store, restaurant, nice grounds, excellent sites, and interesting quirks like tons of carved trees and other whimsical touches. On the negative list, it is far from a lot of the action in the area. Shady Maple is a few miles away, but the heart of the tourist area is a pretty good drive, as in 20-30 minutes, or more. We are real loyal to LITW, and it's our first choice when we head to Lancaster. There are plenty of great campgrounds in the area, but there are a few real dumps, so when you narrow it down, do your "due diligence" here, and on trip advisor and rvparkreviews,com and you should be fine. Have a great trip!
We have 2K on our extended, 4x4 2014 Silverado 1500 5.3 with the max tow package. So far it been pretty impressive. One of the features is recording MPGs in 25 mile snapshots. So far the highest was 23.3, and typically it's getting 17-18 in rural driving, and 18-19 on the highway. Tow mileage is climbing, it is currently at 9, with a 30' 7500lb trailer.
Absolutely the quietest, nicest riding truck I ever owned.
Tried to buy used from them this fall. They seemed to me to be very fond of their used inventory and view them as pets. Salesman kept complaining that this wouldn't be so hard if I just would buy something new. Didn't want what they were selling new.
LOL, this was our experience, having wasted a day there trying to buy a used motorhome last year. The first issue was the trade in. They were holding tight to about 60% of wholesale, and told me I was a fool to sell it privately. I took it home and nearly doubled their offer, selling it to the first person that came for a look.
The next issue was condition. They add about 10% to high retail and want to pretend that serious issues simply do not exist. Just to see if they would drop the BS and get real when it got time to negotiate, I worked them on a seven year old Bounder. The coach was rough, the owners did some real butcher grade work to the interior, the fiberglass exterior finish was hammered and the decals were shot. It was worth high 30s to low 40s, if that. They came Down to $64K and generously agreed to put a set of no name tires on. I just shook my head.
The final straw was a call, the next day, with my sales guy offering "an incredible deal I work out with management". The salesman offered a nicer, but far from perfect (lots of MR, Magoo road rash down the sides) Winnebago. Low retail was $64K and even that would be a push given bodywork and tire issues. His offer was $94K and giving us $30K for out trade. When I then asked why I would want to pay low retail for a damaged coach with outdated tires, AND giver him my rig for free? He told me I was too wrapped up in the figures and not concentrating on what matters, that being finding the coach that best fits needs. I told him to have a nice day.
It's an amazing place, and there are many loyal owners who end up there on a regular schedule to buy new rigs. I'm sure many get hosed, but don't know or care enough to let it bother them. When it comes to used stuff, I really can't see how you could leave WITHOUT getting a real good screwing when buying. Maybe it doesn't matter to some, but I simply won't overpay by 30-50% for a used $50K rig.
We were at a large RV show yesterday and were told Jayco had purchased Open Range, so they won't be going any where
This could be true. It could also be one of the countless lies and half-truths falling out of the mouths of salespeople at a typical RV show. It would be interesting to hear if there is any confirmation of this, as a search of the industry magazine, and the last two years of Jayco and Open Range press announcements show nothing.
I stopped by an RV dealership one day just to look around. The salesperson followed us and was giving his best try to sell an rv.
I notice that nearly all of the new units the televisions were missing as well as the stereos and DVR players. I asked about it and he said that they were broken into over the week end and this was the results. Not the first time he said. I asked how they get in with out damaging the doors or windows? He said they have keys and it was probably an inside job from a former disgruntled employee. Master keys can be obtained almost like obtaining an illegal weapon according to him. I had heard this before. The thieves can walk up to the RV like they own it and unlock the door and just help themselves and lock up on the way out.
Well, you have it half right. There are two locks on the door, one is indexed to the keys shipped with the lock and handed to you when you take delivery. The other, typically the top one, is for the master key. This allows the dealer to keep 99% of the undesirables out of a unit, without having to send a salesperson out with five pounds of keys every time somebody wants to "look around". As for stealing all the flat screen TVs, that makes sense, they have resale value. When it comes to pulling the garbage grade 12volt, DVD "audio systems" out of campers, well only an idiot would bother.
I strongly suggest that you read the post by RVhippo and keep rereading it until it becomes a mantra. Simply put, nobody needs an rv, they are a want. If you WANT one and NEED to stretch the payments out for twelve years, because you cannot handle an extra $70-90/month for a reasonable length loan, you cannot afford one. Doesn't matter if it's a $75K Class A, or a low end travel trailer. You don't need it, and you can't afford it. While shopping for a used Gas powered class A, I met many decent folks with really nice rigs that I would of loved to own. The issue is that they were WAY upside down on their loans, and praying that somebody would come along and offer them enough money to dig themselves out of the hole that they created. This becomes a downward spiral as the rig continues to depreciate rapidly, and they are still behind the curve, failing to get to the tipping point as they continue to make payments.
Obviously, the details of a low cost trailer are a little less gruesome, but it's not hard to see a scenario when your situation changes, you NEED to get rid of the thing, and many years from now, STILL owe thousands more than any rational buyer would ever think of giving you.
Colliehauler is dead on. In the early 2000s we bought a Trail-lite hybrid, and camped extensively with a couple who bought the exact same unit. These were built with laminated structure on all six sides. It has aluminum tubing spaced at remarkable distances, IIRC 30" on center in some areas, expanded styrene blocks to fill in the space,and layers of THIN Luan plywood glued to each side. The floor was slightly stiffer, since the thin Luan was doubled there. I'm a big guy, and noted that within a few months of regular use, I could feel the floor deflecting between supports. By the second season, it was apparent that the floor was starting to sag, and felt soft in traffic areas.
In 2002 we did an extended family vacation from the east coast, to San Diego to Alaska and back. By the time we returned it was apparent to me that the unit was simply too lightly built for the kind of camping we enjoyed. The frame had sagged on both ends to the point that the lower kitchen cabinets had torn off the wall and there were other signs that it wasn't going to be a "keeper".
By comparison, the other family with the same model, still has theirs today. The only reason it still rolls is that the hubby is a true farmer. As in, nothing ever gets tossed out, you use everything until it's scrap, and if you can't fix it yourself, learn how. This guy took a week vacation to rebuild the floor, including adding a considerable amount of structural steel work to the underside to keep the floor from totally failing, and replacing a lot of luan underneath, as it had significant rot. He also bought a carport to protect it from the rain and snow it gets hammered with, since the roof has developed a significant sag. Unless it is parked with the front or back tilted way up, it pools a lot of water on the roof. At this stage the trailer is significantly heavier than new, and it has no real value, since even a quick glance underneath would make it clear that it is really a patched up mess.
As others have noted, the axle leaves the factory with and upward bow. I've been through this situation three times over the last fifteen years. In each case it was the rear axle and it was damaged, (as in bent out of alignment) by striking something, pot hole, road debris, etc.....
There are some here who claim that alignment shops, trailer repair places, etc... can repair and or realign it. In two of my three, they were under warranty and both manufacturers claimed that the only solution is the new axle that they paid for. In the third case I took it to a truck suspension shop who claimed that they could repair it. They looked at the tire wear and told me that the axle needed to be replaced. hope you find a cheaper, better solution, but having been down this road a few times, so far I haven't been so lucky.
It's spreading, LOL. Local weather man reported two locations in north central PA, with Wednesday morning temps. of -27*F and -31*F. We had nine below and haven't had this kind of weather in many years.
Thank you Soren, on my to do list was a search through the Alyeska Pipeline companies MSDS's to id the particular additive, for the assistance of the folks in Whitehorse.
Having traveled the road in the past, experiencing the joy of trying to get the stuff off of my truck, and knowing of many hard core motorcycle riders who complain of the corrosive damage the Dalton slurry does, I responded to an incorrect statement here. Really no big deal, given that the purpose of the forum is to provide valuable experience and information. Would you want to find that your RV is full of fresh corrosion damage after a trip to the circle or Coldfoot, since you mistakenly believed that there is no salt being used on the road? Having spent a lifetime in the construction industry, handling bagged calcium flake repeatedly, and watching an Alyeska operator dumping it in his water truck, I have a bit of first hand knowledge of the subject. Spending a moment Googling "Calcium dust control Dalton highway" to confirm my experience for a reliable source is world apart from filing a Freedom of information act request to access anybody's MSDS information, and "searching through" said data.
As for the "Whitehorse" comment, Murray is a very talented Journalist and World traveler, who writes a very high quality blog. and has no need for my assistance.
With regard to dust control on heavily travelled dirt and gravel roads, Calcium is one of a handful of Hygroscopic chemicals that are reasonably economical and very effective. It has the ability to draw water to the surface and keep a road damp in dry summer conditions. For drivers it presents two unusual conditions that some may not be expecting in hot summer driving. first, it is extremely corrosive and needs to be power washed off the vehicle ASAP. Second, if it is used on smooth surfaces, such as stretches of tightly packed dirt, it can be extraordinarily slippery, very similar to black ice. It's nothing to be slogging through wet, rutted slop, and encounter a stretch of treated hard pack that will send you sideways, like you hit an oil slick. this is something I have encountered repeatedly on oil company roads in my area.
Finally "pops" thank you for your valuable contribution.
Perhaps this is a good example where so many complain about the "quality" of campers being so cheep but those same people who complain are not willing to pay the price for a higher quality camper. Monaco RV's are not cheep, but they are, what some would call "quality". Quite obviously, those folks who complain about the "lack of quality" are not willing to pay the price for it, causing this company, who do just that, are forced to close down, probably due to low sales.
Talk about S-T-R-E-T-C-H-I-N-G without any info to back up the speculation :R. Unless there was some sort of data to support this assumption that I missed.
As a previous owner of a Trail-Lite product, I found it to be more than a stretch,it is hilarious! "but they are what some would call quality". LOL, comedy gold, you just can't make this kind of stuff up.
Controlling maximum extension with a piece of seat belt material, tie-wrapped to the shock? Seriously? Aren't these units several times more expensive than typical North American market product? " Sorry there mate, it seems your suspension fell apart because a dingo ate your seat belt" Fail.
The slurry does have a very high salt content
Where do you think salt would come from? We don't use salt on the roads here.
I guess when I passed the road watering tanker on the Dalton, as he was refilling, the guy standing on the top with the bags of calcium flake didn't get the message?
"Calcium Chloride, a hygroscopic chemical, has been used with good success along some stretches of the Dalton Highway" From a university study of the environmental impact of dust on areas adjacent to unpaved highways in the Arctic.
Sue, your comment on "exaggeration" made me smile. We did our first trip north in 2002. Two young kids in the back seat, and pretty green to RVing scene. One night we stopped at a "full service resort" with a glowing Milepost review. I had convinced the wife that we really should stop at a real restaurant, since we had been roughing it for a week or so, getting in to the campsite late, and eating late, if at all.
This place was out in the middle of nowhere, yet promised "the finest dining on the highway". Well, we had some version of burgers and fries, and there was no way that whatever we ate was store bought. Tasted like every deer I ever dropped, LOL. Since this place is a "resort" and campground, we stayed the night at a "full hook-up" site, as recommended in the Milepost. After I backed into a site, I asked the owner where the sewer connections were? He then informed me that the "bush" definition of full hook-ups wasn't the same as it is down south. Seems to the proprietor of this luxury resort, "full hook-ups" is defined as a 20 amp receptacle and a water spigot.
We later stayed at a place that offers "30 amp" sites. There might be a thirty amp hook-up on the patch, running straight from the genny to the owner's single wide, but the other 99% of the campground in 15 amp extension cords randomly popping out of the ground. The place is a dump, full of abandoned junk, and garbage filled fire rings. The place was so rough that when I spoke to a highway crew staying there, they were furious about the conditions, and debating if they should just drag up and relocate to a gravel pit.
For at least the next decade, the Milepost continued to run ads from both of these places, and sung the praises of amenities that simply do not exist, and fine dining that's bush meat, and reheated dreck from the Cisco truck.
I loved the whole experience, did it twice after that, and can't wait for next time. That said, I wouldn't go without a fairly current milepost, knowing that anytime I see any business listed with an accompanying advertisement, everything may be more that a bit embellished.
Nothing in TTs but in A's, there is the Thor Axis and Vegas RUV's....might be trading in my TT if they ever get one to my local RV store...
We toured one of these at the Tampa show a few weeks ago. It's interesting, but for most folks it just isn't too practical. The biggest "are you serious" issue that I saw was the bathroom sink. the vanity is a little pedestal, about 10" square with a micro sized sink bowl on top. It's like an airline sink, but smaller.
As for the Trailer market. We haven't really shopped for a few years, and things have changed a great deal. The market is in the 30 foot plus range for a lot of product lines, with 34-35' being real popular. The other thing was how much useless, and expensive bling was throw on many units. Lot's of useless Chinese crap, like keyless entries, fancy hanging ceiling fixtures, and other silliness. Nothing to find a unit with $5000 to $7000 of décor on the sticker.
Pinch Pond looks great. That's exactly the type of place we like.
We have been to Lake In Wood and Otter Lake. Lake In Wood is a little too sterile for us, but Otter Lake is a little more up our alley. Otter Lake is more wooded and natural than Lake In Wood, where there seems to be a surveillance camera everywhere you look (and don't look), like inside of some of the gnomes to keep tabs on who puts what into the dumpsters -- a little creepy if you ask me.
Please keep the suggestions coming.
I can see why that seems a little weird, but there is the other side of the story. I build homes in eastern PA. I have constant problems with people who believe that any dumpster is a free place to dump anything they need to get rid of, since "nobody really minds" and somehow there is no real cost involved. Often they are so confident that this practice is totally acceptable that they even toss out their personal info. like mail. When I contact them and ask if how they want to handle it. With a choice of removing their illegal dumping, or me handing their contact info. to the state trooper while he files the report, many are amazed that I would be such a jerk over a little garbage. What they don't understand is that their small pick-up load of stuff they gathered from the shed, is going to cost me $80-100 to get rid of.
In the case of this place, and other campgrounds, that have no option but to have strict policies on only allowing limited amounts of household trash generated while staying at the facility. Unfortunately it's necessary because of a limited number of idiots who don't care. I'm sure there is more than one campground owner who had issues with seasonal renters who decided that "garbage day" at their home is Friday night, when they load up the week's trash and fill the dumpster at the campground on their way in. After all, they can cancel that $20-30 month curbside garbage pick-up since it's "free" at the campground. Believe me, the same quality individual who stuff your dumpster with a yard of stuff from home, is the guy who will absolutely deny doing it, until he sees himself on a security camera.
I also know several rural Pa. campground owners that have a difficult time even finding anybody to provide trash service, as there is little profit for a hauler running a garbage truck twenty miles from civilization, to empty a few small dumpsters, seasonally.
If it's going to be supported from underneath has the glue dries why not figure out a way to leave the supports in permanently so this can't happen again? Might not be easy I understand. Perhaps the permanent ones would have to be added afterword and not hold the total weight but, they would help.
Nothing wrong with a bit of overkill, if it makes you feel better, but it isn't necessary. If the mating surfaces are clean, and the sink properly tensioned into position with the temporary props, it's just fine. As in, removing it will involve a, hammer, flat bar, a utility knife to cut the silicone, and a lot of sweating and swearing. Remember, they glue airplanes together, and they don't fall out of the sky due to adhesive failures. The sink will be just fine without a bunch of scrap wood screwed to the bottom of it.
Wow, The dealer was actually a bit over 300 miles away. Fourteen hours, 600 miles and doing the deal in the middle of all that, loooong day. Not to mention the dealer was in Buffalo, NY. which is colder than a witch's ....... elbow. After a fifteen year run of nothing but various GM trucks for my business and personal use, all I can say is that I'm impressed. The wife made the same comment several times, "It's hard to believe that this thing is a pick-up" Nicest ride, and features of anything I ever owned, or driven, that could haul a load of manure.
As for the new TT, we found a screaming deal on a leftover 30' Jayco Eagle, which is a pretty heavy lump to drag. It's 6820 empty, with an 8800lb gvw. That swayed me toward hunting down the Max. tow option, since it was getting a bit too close for me, with the 3.42 set-up. If your first thought was, "this guy needed a 3/4 ton" you may be right, but it wasn't a viable option. the wife is pretty disabled, and simply couldn't get UP and into any of the 4x4 2500s from any of the big three.
Thanks for listening, and if you're anywhere north of the equator this winter, try to stay warm :)