For that small of a trailer you might want to consider a Tundra too. I bought my Tundra new in 2010 with the 5.7 V8 for $30,500. For the small weights you are considering, the Tundra really performs very well with 381 HP and 400+ ft/lbs of torque.
Just an option to consider.
Otter Lake in Marshall's Creek is open year round.
Fill up water tank on the way in, as they have the water shut off now.
I was just gonna say Otter Lake too. We went there the first winter we had out camper. Its right on the lake and gets bitter cold when the wind blows and its kinda in the middle of nowhere and takes 20 minutes to get to the nearest restaurant or store... but its a beautiful campground right on the water!
My Nash trailer had the standard Bargman crappy halogen lights. The reflector was a flat piece of metal that didn't reflect very well and since the trailer was over 10 years old, the sockets were corroding a little bit and sometimes the bulb would flicker. I went out to Harbor Freight and bought these lights http://www.harborfreight.com/one-pair-submersible-trailer-led-lights-94137.html and installed them in place of the crappy Bargmans. Put a little silicon around them to clean up the install and I have been very happy. Less draw on the tow vehicle, brighter lights and much better optics for about $30 if you have a 25% coupon. Took me 10 minutes to wire them up and silicone them, had them for 3 years now without a single problem.
What it comes down to is the fact that a LOT of people don't know of another place to buy these things. They get a catalog in the mail and don't have the experience to find it cheaper. Its a niche market and they know they can jack the prices up and still have buyers.
Walmart has much better prices and actual stores. You can buy online and return in store. Amazon.com has pretty good prices and often times has free shipping AND free returns (shipping included if you are a Prime member). Cabelas and Bass Pro also have competitive pricing and allow returns to the store.
Bottom line, they sell at higher prices because they can. Enough people are uneducated to other options that Camping World can sell at the higher price and have higher profit margins.
Also, there are some things that are pretty specific to RV stores, either a dealership or CW. I go there to buy a specific item and end up purchasing some cool little doo-dad as an impulse purchase. I probably could have found it cheaper somewhere else... but damnit I wanted it then and didn't want to wait (just like the candy bar at the grocery checkout).
What amazes me is that enough people are stupid enough to fall for this that it is profitable and a worthwhile endeavor for these scammers. If it is too good to be true, it probably is. A good buyer will know a fair price and it will become pretty obvious early on whether or not you are getting scammed. If a unit is worth $15,000 and the guy will sell for $13,000... might be ok. If the guy is advertising it for $7,500... its not right and you should run away as fast as possible.
A guy I go fishing with has a Tundra 5.7 and when pulling his boat I don't really notice any movement between the bed and the cab, but what I do know is the sheet metal on that truck is tin can thin, and it loves to drink the gas!
I got news for you... that tin can thin sheet metal is an industry standard. My father in law has a 2012 Chevy 2500, his sheet metal is just as thin as mine. My cousin's F250, just as thin. That is how they reduce weight and increase fuel mileage.
Wonder how the numbers would look if you drop fleet wholesale sales numbers off an look at individuals and small business customers who pay for trucks with their own money?
What difference does that make? What does it matter WHO buys it... the point of the matter is that Ford and GM lead in sales. Lets be honest, truck sales are based mostly upon brand loyalty. Its not that Ford trucks are twice as good as Ram, or twice as cheap, or twice as strong... its simply that Ford has twice the following amongst brand loyalists.
At the end of the day, ANY truck for sale in the US today will be an overall great vehicle for people, so long as the vehicle isn't being overloaded. I like the new Rams, but I can't afford any of them...
What was Toyota's solution for the bed contacting and damaging the cab a few years back?
I dunno, I have the 2010 and ZERO problems with the bed hitting the frame... or even coming close for that matter.
The 5th wheel GVWR is 11551 lbs. and the total dry weight is 6910 lbs. with hitch dry weight at 1026 lbs. Would we need a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton truck to tow with. We would like to find a 4x4 crew cab model. Thanks for your help.
Dry weights are worthless. You need to know the LOADED weight and the LOADED pin weight. Once you know the loaded pin weight, plus the weight of your 5th wheel hitch, plus the weight of everything you will be loading in the truck then you will know what you need.
My gut tells me that most 1/2 tons won't have enough payload capacity. You want a crew cab, so you probably have passengers. Figure 150 for occupant of the truck and only 4 occupants is 600 lbs. Figure a 5er hitch is 100 lbs, now we are 700 lbs of payload. Your dry pin weight is 1026... now we are at 1726 lbs payload and you haven't packed any clothes, food, propane, battery in the RV, generator, bikes, firewood, chairs etc. With the exception of the Ecoboost with max weight/max tow I don't think you will find any crew cab 1/2 ton with that much payload.
Figure that your wet pin weight will probably be closer to 1700 or 1800 lbs, you might be better off with a 1 ton if buying new.
Interesting results... still don't know if it is something that interests me or not. The mileage is certainly great and the initial upcharge of only $1700 isn't terrible.
I would have really liked to see this truck offered as a HD half ton with closer to 2000 lbs of real world, useable payload. I think there is a market for this truck, but I don't see it meeting my future needs.
Good for Ram though, I think its innovative and I hope that it creates competition. The F150 with Ecoboost still has an advantage from my perspective right now, and that's because of superior payload ratings. Ram gets better mileage, but I NEED the payload and only WANT the mileage.
Never heard of a detachable cord either.
Something the wife and I have always done is a complete walkthrough and walk around. We get the truck all packed up and then take turns walking through the camper to ensure doors and drawers are closed, breakables are secure and low etc. Then we start the truck and turn on the hazard lights and do a complete walk around. We physically touch the safety chains, e-brake cable and 12 volt power cord. We physically touch the WDH (not applicable on your 5er). We check each light individually, we make sure each stabilizing hitch is up, power cord and water are disconnected, storage doors are locked, awning secure, turn signals work, etc. We both walk completely around and each check everything.
Haven't forgotten anything yet!!!
Look, Ford makes great trucks, always has and always will. The frame change will prove to be a good move for lots of reasons, just like Toyota did 5 years ago.
And GM does and Ram does and Nissa does too. The point of my thread, which apparently escaped a lot of posters here, is that there is nothing wrong with a C channel frame. The different manufacturers use different methods to accomplish the same result. Ram uses coil springs instead of leaf springs, Tundra used a C channel instead of fully boxed, Ford used a turbo V6 instead of a massive V8, GM used cylinder de-activation for better economy. Different technology is good for consumers, because it gives us OPTIONS and encourages INNOVATION. I just got sick of all the anti-import nonsense that a lot of people are spouting here.
We are all on this forum because we share a passion in common... CAMPING. Instead of celebrating the freedom and love of camping and RV'ing, we spend all our time segregating ourselves into little groups and bashing those not within our group. There are Class A vs Class C people. There are motorhome vs trailer people. Fiver vs travel trailers. Ford vs GM vs Ram vs Toyota vs Nissan. Suv vs pickup trucks. Half ton vs 3/4 ton. 3/4 ton vs 1 ton. Gas vs diesel. fully boxed frame vs c-channel.
Thankfully, I bet that most of us would be very friendly to each other if we were parked next to each other at the campsite next spring. You wouldn't care that I have a Toyota pulling a travel trailer and I wouldn't care that you have a diesel pusher. We wouldn't discuss our differences, we would be enjoying the freedom we have to travel, the health we have to go camping instead of hotels, talking about our kids or pets and sitting by the campfire having a good time.
Granted I poked a little fun at the Ford guys, a lot of whom have taken time out of their day to talk trash about my un-American Tundra, but the point of my thread was to show that there is nothing wrong with a properly designed c-channel frame. Ford themselves talked down on Tundra back in 2007, now we will share similar technology. Its foolish to denigrate another manufacturers design ideas. I shouldn't have poked fun at Ford for their hypocracy, so for that I apologize. All the truck manufacturers make a great product, its all personal needs, personal choice and budget at this point.
The link posted by the TROLL states they are trying to shave 700 lbs from the truck.
Easy slugger... I've been reading on this forum how HORRIBLE the Tundra is because it has a "weak c-channel frame" and how stupid the Toyota engineers are and this is why we should buy "American Made" (in quotes because the Tundra is consistently in the top 1 or 2 of American made trucks on the market since 2007) trucks instead of import garbage. I am just pointing out to all the idiots here that have bashed the Toyota frame for so long that suddenly Ford is realizing that a c-channel frame (good enough on heavy duty trucks) is good enough for their half ton trucks... maybe its been good enough for the Tundra for the last 8 years in the Tundra...
Not trolling, just pointing out some hypocrisy.
Oops... wonder what the Ford boys will say now that the 2015 F-150 shares a similar style frame with the "weak Tundra frame".
What is a "domestic" pickup truck?
Either the F-150 or the Tundra... if you mean actually MADE in the USA...
Of course, in 2010 when I bought MY Tundra, it was the most American (USA, not including Canada) truck line. Ram made a specific model in the USA that had roughly the same American content, but the other 2 Ram 1500 models were made in Mexico.
Also, when you consider the amount of taxes paid per vehicle sold here (therefore money to the US Government) Toyota is pretty high up there too. When you consider payroll taxes on American employee's, Toyota is up there too. When you consider profits back to the manufacturer, Toyota sends a lot of that money back to Japan, but that isn't money that you or I would ever benefit from anyways... unless you owned stock in the company. Oh yea... when you consider stock, we can buy those in America too.
Sorry, not a tech guy... never knew how to do this url thing.