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RE: ¾ ton vs 1 ton SRW
I would have more confidence in the Ford brochure than what someone on this forum says.
That's great except the brochure says nothing about whether the axles are the same. The axle rating in the Ford brochure includes the axle, tires, suspension and marketing spin.
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06/19/13 11:54am |
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RE: 2013 Ford 3/4 ton vs ton GAS
To the op take it from a gasser. If you can get the one ton diesel get it. I have a 02 F-350 1ton dually with the v-10 it does just fine for weekend trips and a few week trips but any more than that I would not do it. I get their fine but up steep grades I need to be at 4000 rpms to keep at 50 mph and she is working to get up there. I could not afford a diesel at the time and found a great deal on this one.
Except 4000 rpms isn't working a V10 that much. It's "working" less than a diesel in the upper 2000's rpm.
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06/17/13 08:07pm |
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RE: How to check for previous "tuner" on a used truck?
I guess I was assuming the aggressive tune was still on the truck. Although not fully stated and rereading the OP and title, it sounds like the tune and all mods may have been removed from the truck, put back to OEM standard, and then the truck was sold???
I think "previous" was the key word in the title.
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06/16/13 10:10am |
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RE: Place to stay in La Grande while camper is repaired.
Can we make a loop back down to I-84 leaving Joseph and taking the Wallowa Mountain Loop around to the Baker-Copperfield Hwy and useing the Brownlee Oxbow Highway to get started to I-84?
Looks like it would be a pretty drive, but is it TC friendly?
My family went through there years ago. My brother was towing a 22 foot TT at the time, It's twisty but certainly passable. Are you thinking of heading to Joseph after your TC is fixed or during?
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06/16/13 09:59am |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
Additionally, the 8.1L has a ton of asphalt ripping potential locked away in it by GM under the guise of torque management, something that never seemed to be hidden in the 454/7.4.
I'll say! 550 hp and 690 lb-ft ?!?
Power output ranges from 340 hp (254 kW) to 550 hp (410 kW) and torque from 455 lb·ft (617 N·m) to 690 lb·ft (936 N·m).
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06/15/13 07:17pm |
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RE: How much weight is too much weight?
Dont understand how you can justify a 10% over number? The manufacturers certify to the federal government that their vehicle meets all the applicable standards as to acceleration, handling, braking and safety at the weight number stated on the federal sticker. While there is no federal laws regarding exceeding the numbers, it is common sense to assume that the manufacturer knows at least enough to make a decent judgment call on the weight they have posted.
It really astounds me how many people justify overloading by saying it pulls fine. When it is ultimately so simple to get the right tool for the job. Whether that means a screwdriver or a pickup truck.
They certify all of that, then the marketing department gets involved and under rates the 2500 so it doesn't cannibalize the 3500 market. They also set artificial limits like 9900 and 11400 to make their trucks fit within clissification laws for chains, lane travel and commerical registration.
It's really hard to assume GVWR has much to do with safety.
This is why states use tire ratings and braking performance as max load laws not stickers on the truck.
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06/15/13 07:09pm |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
I never thought I would read a thread with such misinformation and wild speculation. Hotshoters, over the road trucks and locomotives must enjoy doing the hard way because they all use Diesel engines!
All of those example are businesses making money. They're doing it the least expensive way, nothing more.
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wnjj
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06/14/13 04:01pm |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
By my sig, i pull with a 2002 8.1.....Its specs are roughly 340HP and 455 lb ft of torque. If a guy were to opt for a 2000-2002 Cummins, approx the same specs, does a Diesel pull any easier. Just a thought.
I realize they tow at a much lower RPM.
Thanks. Just curious.
That diesel will pull easier on your wallet but likely not any easier with the load.
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06/14/13 02:57pm |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
Not sure why you took my input personally; if you felt I was referring to your particular post, apologies, I wasn't.
As Hannibal stated, he wasn't actually disagreeing with you.
I do value the theoretical...
...I just value real-world experience, especially that which is being supplied by a respected forum member, equally if not moreso.
I agree with your last sentence above ^.
I guess I thought you were referring to my post because you quoted everything, including mine. It looked like a compare/contrast between ignorable "theory" responses and good experience responses. I've had people jump my case because "I couldn't possibly know without first hand experience" (which is flawed thinking IMHO). I can tell you with high certainty that it's not snowing in New York by looking up the temperature even though I'm miles from actually being there.
It's all good. :)
p.s. I wrote the post above this one before I saw your reply.
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06/14/13 02:53pm |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
wnjj, I don't think I was disagreeing with you.
You're right. We do agree.
I was referring to the comment about ignoring responses that aren't based upon experience. The best information is usually a mix of "theory" (or rather facts) and experiences. Both must be taken with a grain of salt.
Too many times people's "experience" is from a 10 year old truck to a brand new one and they're convinced the fuel type made all of the difference. I'd say your comparative experience is about as close as it gets which, conicidentally lines up with my "theory".
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06/14/13 02:49pm |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
The diesel will pull at lower rpm with much less transmission shifting. It will also get 50% better mpg towing or empty.
Lower rpm = lower road speed, unless you run in a higher gear which means lower torque at the wheel. You can't have it all unless you've got HP. I seriously doubt a stock 235hp diesel with similar torque to a 345hp gas engine would pull as well but I can't say I've had first hand experience. Modded is another story for either engine.
I have had that experience. My '05 345hp/365ftlb Hemi powered 2500HD towed our 10,400 lb 5th wheel faster up the grades than my '03 duplicate 250hp/460ftlb Cummins powered 2500HD. It was at 4500rpm vs 2900rpm, not 5k rpm vs 1800rpm. And we got 2mpg better with the Cummins. Not twice the mileage. A stock 8.1 would run circles around a stock '01 Cummins.
Hannibal speaks from real-world experience, not speculation or theory.
Seems easy to me to decide which responses to give weight to and which to ignore.
Facts are just as important as "experience". My first two sentences were facts. My second two were opinion based upon those facts and clearly marked as such. Some people find value in responses that are based upon more than potentially biased anecdotal experience, even if you don't.
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06/14/13 10:05am |
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RE: Personalized license plate?
One of the more clever ones I heard about was a Corvette with 35SAM, which is the police code for "stolen vehicle." I think the owner was a LEO and that is one subtle way to let the others know.
Auto theft is usually code 503 or 10851. I have not heard that one used so it may be locale specific.
It is actually 10-35S. 10-35 (confidential info) codes are (or at least were) used in Washington County, OR along with other 10 codes. There are lettered versions of 10-35 for caution, warrants, gang members and stolen vehicle. Many of the 10 codes were common elsewhere but some are pretty local, apparently.
Sorry for the derailment....now back to our regularly scheduled topic.
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wnjj
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06/14/13 12:24am |
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RE: Gas engine and Diesel of same specs.Pull the same.
The diesel will pull at lower rpm with much less transmission shifting. It will also get 50% better mpg towing or empty.
Lower rpm = lower road speed, unless you run in a higher gear which means lower torque at the wheel. You can't have it all unless you've got HP. I seriously doubt a stock 235hp diesel with similar torque to a 345hp gas engine would pull as well but I can't say I've had first hand experience. Modded is another story for either engine.
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06/13/13 08:33pm |
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RE: Prius towing a travel trailer? Yes.
It is no big deal folks for a 3,000lb vehicle to tow a 2,500lb TT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/CF105/My%20Cars%20and%20Toys/saabpic-1.jpg height=500 width=600
That's just an optical illusion. That car is clearly towing the ship!
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06/13/13 09:32am |
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RE: Prius towing a travel trailer? Yes.
Also, did anyone else notice that there are no drivers or passengers in the other vehicles supposedly waitin in line at a fuel station?
The only driver's window I can see into is the Prius, and he's standing by his trailer!
Is it really easier to believe someone parked a trailer in the gas line rather than being towed by a Prius?
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wnjj
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06/12/13 10:37am |
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RE: Prius towing a travel trailer? Yes.
You can "tow" just about anything as long as you can get it rolling. My concern is that the trailer will easily match or exceed the weight of the prius and there is no way that combination is going to have enough safe braking capability.
Getting going is nothing compared to the importance of getting stopped.
The trailer has its own brakes so I don't know why it would have any more of a problem stopping than behind a 1/2 ton truck.
I find it comical that people can look at a compressed image (i.e. everything is in focus at various distances) and are convinced the trailer is in the wrong lane or the jack is behind the guy. What so hard to believe here anyway?
I guess next time you'll need to get an overhead photo. :R
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06/12/13 10:12am |
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RE: Personalized license plate?
One of the more clever ones I heard about was a Corvette with 35SAM, which is the police code for "stolen vehicle." I think the owner was a LEO and that is one subtle way to let the others know.
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wnjj
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06/12/13 10:04am |
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RE: Two wheel drive or 4x4?
I live in the province next door to Saskatchewan and directly above North Dakota. Our winters are similar. In fact the TV show Ice Road Truckers films here....in Manitoba and Alaska.
2WD... is not "useless" up here. I would say most vehicles are 2WD...cars, trucks...emergency vehicles such as fire trucks, ambulances....invariably until the Crown Vic was discontinued...police cars too...were for the most part 2WD.
In emergency situations...emergency vehicles are often the only vehicles on the road and many of them are 2WD.
Yes....many departments in Western Canada are NOW looking at replacing their aging police package fleets with the new Ford Interceptor (Taurus) AWD....but then this is also the case in sun belt states. Other that police package SUV's...before the Taurus police package...AWD was not available or in use for police packages.
Years ago I worked on a family farm...driving 2WD pickups, grain trucks and also drove commercial 2WD trucks...E 300, E 350, F 600/700 trucks. No real problems. Occasionally we got stuck...but when we did..generally 4WD pickups would of got stuck too. When we got stuck in drifts, etc....the only thing that dragged us out were usually farm tractors or grain trucks with tandem drive axles...and after they had taken a run to get momentum to yank and then drag us out with a chain.
In the winter....we drove each day, unless the highways were closed by the RCMP or the city streets were closed by city police. Rarely....maybe once every 5-10 years were city roads closed. Highways, due to drifting were closed more often, but still not a lot.
Heavy snow driving was/is a matter of course up here and as you know...in the prairies we didn't know what a 'snow day' was up here.
My son has a 2WD truck with a locking axle and the factory off road package. So far hasn't been stuck in 5 winters. I generally drive a large Buick sedan...2WD, FWD, electronic traction aid...really good Michelin tires and I regularly go down back country and farm roads that are snow covered.
I've been driving winters since '65. I use prudence and common sense. I carry an emergency kit...shovel, steel traction bridges...snowshoes, winter clothes, food, back country maps, compass...stuff everybody should carry during winters up here. Rarely used it....bu it's there.
When I drive down winter back roads if I see deep snow...I stop and 'walk' it first....making a judgement whether it's drivable. Precautions everybody should take.
A problem with 4WD is that it can give a driver a false sense of it's abilities. No doubt it can go through deeper snow than 2WD....but often it provides a false sense of security to the poor driver and the 4WD can get further into deeper snow...where it get's hung up...50 yards past where the tow truck's winch hook will reach. :)
We've all seen a poor driver in a 4WD pickup, SUV, Jeep whip along in unsafe winter conditions...then slide into a snow filled ditch.
What I'm saying is that 4WD is not necessarily needed. Can it be a good option ? Sure.
Is is something we want or need ? In a number of instance I think it is something an individual wants, rather than needs.
Given that most of the RV Net members live in either the USA or Canada...both democracies...people are free to choose what they drive. Nothing wrong with that.
But I think we need to be careful advocating that 4WD is absolutely necessary. If winter conditions are that bad all the time...4WD vehicles will not cut it...instead maybe those who are mired in deep snow should be looking at tracked vehicles.
;) I'm kidding....just a bit. :)
There's all that snow driving and then there is simply backing a trailer uphill on gravel which the emergency vehicles don't have to do. Again, 4x4 isn't just for snow and a 2WD sedan or dually fire engine is no caparison to a light pickup with a heavy trailer in tow.
It's the little situations nobody seems to remember. Sure you can just park elsewhere or "get a run at it" but who wants to use momentum when you're moving a trailer?
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wnjj
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06/11/13 01:17pm |
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RE: Two wheel drive or 4x4?
I would never have a 4x2 truck. I routinely have to back my flatbed trailer uphill on gravel. In the winter it's pretty tough in 4x2. In the summer it's impossible.
Loose, dry gravel at low speeds is just as much of an obstacle as snow.
Driving 25 miles on plowed roads or driving to a tree falling site may well be within the reach of a 4x2. Tree fallers work where the roads are built to handle log trucks after all. Most passenger cars could make it up there.
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wnjj
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06/10/13 07:48pm |
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RE: Octane and Altitude
You cannot buy a container of "octane" because it is NOT a substance.
So 8 carbon atoms and 18 hydorgen atoms together is not a substance?
Octane is a hydrocarbon and an alkane with the chemical formula C8H18
I think you're confusing "octane" which can be slang for "octane rating" with the substance "octane" that the rating was derived from.
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wnjj
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06/06/13 05:06pm |
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