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RE: MH Licensing costs in NV, AZ and Utah?

I agree that the fees for the RV are high in Utah, but you need to look at the overall costs. The inspection fee was $15. I paid $750 to register. A lot of folks here get a Montana LLC and register the coach there. Property taxes in Hurricane (where we live) are relatively low and utility rates are one of the lowest in the nation. We spent three years looking for a place to live and the overall taxes for Arizona, Utah and New Mexico were about a wash. Nevada was cheaper but we could not find a place we wanted to live. Wyoming is the cheapest but we do not like the weather. This is the most amazingly beautiful place I have ever lived and the quality of life here is great. I have lived in many places in my military career and we have chosen well FOR US. I am not saying that Utah is for everyone. I am just saying that you need to look at the whole picture of the specific area to determine if it will work for you.
ncrowley 03/27/14 05:39pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Practical advice on complying with commercial license laws

One comment on Montana.. The Montana LLC trick is to avoid paying taxes. it is Illegal in 49 of the fifty states (If you need help figuring out which state it is legal in.. If you live and are licensed in Montana.. It's legal to use the "Montana LLC" trick.. Else, you may be in for a nasty surprise.) Several states have gone after RV owners who "Cheated the tax man" using this trick.. Several more either are looking or have looked into it.. We get to read about the lucky lotto loosers every once in a while. but the only states I'm sure of are.. Ca and Co have prosecuted.. MI has considered, and I think there are two or 3 others who have prosecuted as well but I'm not sure on them. Born in CA. Grew up in MI, and CO was the state that nailed them first. The penalties can be many times the cost of the tax you avoided. Some states require RESIDENTS to obtain an upgraded license to drive an RV.. Michigan is not one of them UNLESS.... you get paid to drive it. ALL states respect your home state license... So if I am in Mi, or SC, or GA, or TX or anything in between (Tx is one of the upgrade states) My MI operators... Is all I need.
wa8yxm 03/26/14 06:35am Beginning RVing
RE: Anyone from CA ever use BOE Pub 52 Rules?

Check the laws of the state you register in. If you didn't pay sales tax in California most states will collect sales tax when you register in their state. I used the pub 52 rules for my previous MH all went well. Bought in Ca. Registered in Ca. Took delivery in a no sales tax state. Kept out of Ca. for requisite time. Kept receipts of food, fuel, RV parks, of our trip. No problems. Five years later Ca. questioned purchase and requested taxes be addressed. I send in all my documentation. They send a letter back saying thank you for the information, I had met the necessary, requirements, and my tax liability was zero. The MH I have now was bought in a non sales tax state. I had to pay the base state sales tax of the state I registered it in. No city, county or other "local" tax was imposed. Just follow the rules and keep the proper documentation. Beware of the Montana LLC. Many states look at this as fraud a will go after you to collect. A close friend of mine did this. He had Montana attorneys, and all the proper and legal paperwork. Montana license plates....the whole 9 yards. His home state went after him, he lost they considered it a sham corporation set up to avoid taxes. Cost him many, many thousands of dollars.
Rollnhome 01/30/14 08:59am General RVing Issues
RE: What is full timing really?

Why do we need this label defined? Because it's winter and we're all bored stiff and we've already talked about toilet paper, campfires, boondocking vs. drycamping, RVers vs. campers, tires, Chevy vs.Ford Vs. Dodge, ten-year rules, HOA rules, Class A only resorts, unleashed pets/children/inlaws, generators, and Montana LLC's. We're scrapin' the bottom of the barrel now...:B LOL! and the crazy part of this?? It is only November!!
Tvov 11/28/13 06:14am Full-time RVing
RE: What is full timing really?

Why do we need this label defined? Because it's winter and we're all bored stiff and we've already talked about toilet paper, campfires, boondocking vs. drycamping, RVers vs. campers, tires, Chevy vs.Ford Vs. Dodge, ten-year rules, HOA rules, Class A only resorts, unleashed pets/children/inlaws, generators, and Montana LLC's. We're scrapin' the bottom of the barrel now...:B Thanks, now I remember winter. Being from Florida, the sun is full time!
Dog Folks 11/27/13 06:19am Full-time RVing
RE: What is full timing really?

Why do we need this label defined? Because it's winter and we're all bored stiff and we've already talked about toilet paper, campfires, boondocking vs. drycamping, RVers vs. campers, tires, Chevy vs.Ford Vs. Dodge, ten-year rules, HOA rules, Class A only resorts, unleashed pets/children/inlaws, generators, and Montana LLC's. We're scrapin' the bottom of the barrel now...:B
Francesca Knowles 11/26/13 08:43pm Full-time RVing
RE: Red-dyed "reefer" diesel?

There a few posts in this thread from people crying about the taxes not being paid. To me there is no difference between this and the ones using a Montana LLC to avoid paying taxes. I see a lot of Montana plates on Motorhomes and nobody is busting their chops. I don't run red fuel or have Montana plates, but cheating is cheating or am I missing something? Those MT Motor Homes aren't all tax cheats or "scofflaws" You're making the assumption the Motor Homes you see with Montana plates are not genuine Montana residents (no LLC needed)..:S Not difficult to become a Montana Resident without paying a law firm for an LLC - even if you don't reside in MT "full-time"..;) ~ However, If a CA Chippy has the opportunity to check your DL......and it's a CA DL - but your vehicle has MT plates, you can count on having your "chops busted"!..:S Another chop buster is requiring the LLC to register in the state where the owner (the LLC) resides. And another....Define LLC. Whether you prefer Limited Liability Company -or- Corporation, they are interpreted as being Commercial. Your vehicle is now subject to all appropriate commercial regs. Disagree - go to court and prove it. Your state's AG office has way way deeper pockets than you do, LOL! (And of course, the MT law firm will only represent you in MT) Anyway, many states are (easily) plugging the MT LLC "loophole" - often to the detriment of the MH owner's wallet!.:( Bottom line whether it's Red Dye or an LLC........ Tax *avoidance* is legal...:C Tax *evasion* is illegal...:( Take your pick...:B..:B ~
ol Bombero-JC 11/23/13 06:20pm General RVing Issues
RE: Red-dyed "reefer" diesel?

There a few posts in this thread from people crying about the taxes not being paid. To me there is no difference between this and the ones using a Montana LLC to avoid paying taxes. I see a lot of Montana plates on Motorhomes and nobody is busting their chops. I don't run red fuel or have Montana plates, but cheating is cheating or am I missing something? Taking advantage of loopholes in the law is NOT "cheating", IMO. If one KNOWS the law, COMPLIES with the law, and DOCUMENTS his compliance, there is NO cheating! However, using fuel on the highway that the taxes have not been paid on is an entirely different thing! The law says the fuel taxes, Federal and State, MUST be paid. AFIK, there is NO loophole in that law.
mowermech 11/23/13 04:19pm General RVing Issues
RE: Red-dyed "reefer" diesel?

There a few posts in this thread from people crying about the taxes not being paid. To me there is no difference between this and the ones using a Montana LLC to avoid paying taxes. I see a lot of Montana plates on Motorhomes and nobody is busting their chops. I don't run red fuel or have Montana plates, but cheating is cheating or am I missing something?
xPIXx 11/23/13 01:50pm General RVing Issues
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

I have many neighbors who have Montana LLC's, registrations in Oregon, and have paid very little tax on their big RVs. Like an idiot I obeyed the law and paid my legal, exhorbitant fees in WA. I'm not squealing on them because I'm too embarrassed to admit I didn't do it myself. After all, these people are still buying gas in my state so I guess that makes up for it. And I think they may have guns. The "chump factor"...I'm sorry you have gotten caught up in it, 2Oldman! What kind of a world do we live in where you, someone who does the honorable thing and pays the same rates as the neighbors you share our State with, is left feeling somehow stupid or foolish for having paid your fair share?
Francesca Knowles 11/16/13 09:09pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

Is it of those things that are done all the time? Are there certain states that welcome the income for registering in their state?Oh sure.. people do it all the time with advice from this board. I have many neighbors who have Montana LLC's, registrations in Oregon, and have paid very little tax on their big RVs. Like an idiot I obeyed the law and paid my legal, exhorbitant fees in WA. I'm not squealing on them because I'm too embarrassed to admit I didn't do it myself. After all, these people are still buying gas in my state so I guess that makes up for it. And I think they may have guns. The states love it too and will welcome you with open arms. So sure, go ahead and register it wherever you want. If they ask you for a local address, just make one up. They never check. Tell everyone you heard it on here. Heck, you could have heard it on here 7 years ago.
2oldman 11/16/13 08:16pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

I think one thing to keep in mind in these Montana licensing discussions is we should be talking about two different scenarios. The first is the sales tax on the coach. As has been stated by others, and I agree, if you can meet all of the stipulations to avoid being taxed by the state you reside in that's one thing. The other aspect is the yearly licensing fees. I have lived in CA, ID and NV and they're all different, but for this example I'll use NV. My yearly REGISTRATION fee is minimal, however my yearly GOVERNMENT SERVICES TAX is based on the value of my coach and is substantial. When I first moved here in 2010 that portion was over $3,000. Last year it was ~$2,200. Where people get themselves in trouble is once they have legally avoided the sales tax through a Montana LLC, they continue to renew that license registration year after year while the coach is parked at their home. While they may have legally avoided the SALES tax, they are now guilty of GOVERNMENT SERVICES TAX evasion. And yes, I said evasion, which is illegal. There are other states that also tax a coach based on its value for yearly registration, which may not be call a government services tax, but amounts to the same thing. I believe they are the ones getting caught, and then upon full investigation are found to be guilty of at least yearly tax evasion, and possibly sales tax evasion if they didn't do it properly.
BobGed 11/16/13 08:02pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

Does any one know exactly how those that got caught at this were caught???? I have said this on here before---I have 3 homes in 3 different states and everything is registered in the state most friendly to me....If I changed drivers license & registration every time I was at any of the 3 over 30 days I would go broke. On the other hand I have never been questioned in over 30 years. There are various ways that people get caught with using a Montana LLC illegally. In some instances it may the seller dealer being audited by their state and that state reporting back to the state being shorted. For example, my client who got caught had purchased his rig in Florida from a dealer. As is common in vehicle purchases, they had to provide a copy of their NY driver's license even though the vehicle was purchased by a Montana LLC. Our best guess is that the selling dealer was audited by Florida sales tax whom we believe reported the purchase to NY Sales Tax who in turn contacted the client and requested that he provide proof that he had complied with NYS law. He could not provide that proof so he owed the tax, penalty and interest. In other situations, the taxpayer is reported by a neighbor or an ex-spouse or by the local police who just happen to notice the Montana plates in a local garage/driveway/yard. It isn't really rocket science on getting caught, but even fairly intricate precautions may still not be enough to avoid the call from the state taxing authorities. Getting back to the OP. He is currently a resident of NY. More than likely the discussion about CA law is not applicable. Now we turn to his question of licensing his new RV in Florida. Again, we have a NYS resident licensing a vehicle in a state other than his home state. To add to the problem NYS is very, very aggressive in pursing NY residents who are now claiming Florida residency for any reason. He may be inviting a lot of tax issues with his efforts to avoid the sales tax. The odds of using the Montana/Florida sales tax dodge may backfire and create a lot more items being audited.
wnytaxman 11/16/13 07:15pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

I guess I'll say it again: KNOW the law in your state. COMPLY with the law in your state. DOCUMENT your compliance with the law. For example, if you live in California, the law says if you keep it out of state for one year, and can prove that it was never in CA for that calendar year, you can register it in CA without paying any sales or use tax. It really IS just that simple! "I thought I was being very careful,but when my Montana LLC bought a DP from a dealer in Florida and took it home to Illinois, it took them maybe 14 months to come after me." "...took it home to Illinois..." It may well be that in Illinois you can NEVER bring it "home"! If so, when you did you gave them the chance to come get the money! AGAIN: KNOW the applicable laws. COMPLY with the applicable laws. DOCUMENT your compliance with the applicable laws, in whatever way the law requires! IF, by law, you must leave your new coach outside the borders of your home state forever, that is what you will have to do! Come to think of it, there is another way to avoid the sales/use tax in SOME states. SOME states exempt in-family transfers from tax. IF YOUR state does, and you have a close relative in a NON-tax state, put the coach in his name, then have him transfer it to you when he gets the title. You will pay no tax! (yes, I have done something similar. Several times!)
mowermech 11/15/13 03:02pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

I had one of my clients here in NY try the Montana LLC. He got caught and it was a very expensive lesson. Look closely at the domicile and residency laws and unless you can comply to the LETTER of the law, do not do it. Also if you do decide you can comply, make darn sure you document your compliance with the law. Even then you may have to spend some $$$ to defend your use of the Montana LLC.
wnytaxman 11/15/13 02:02pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

There is a lot to read on this if you search on this and other rv forums. First check the laws of your home or domicile state. Most have some pretty strict rules about residents and vehicles. Here in Illinois, it is 30 days. If you live here, or move here, you have 30 days to get an Illinois drivers license and register your vehicles in Illinois. And yes, they are cracking down. I thought I was being very careful,but when my Montana LLC bought a DP from a dealer in Florida and took it home to Illinois, it took them maybe 14 months to come after me. $7.75 percent of a buncha money plus a $1300 penalty later, my bus wears Illinois plates.
JimM68 11/15/13 11:35am Class A Motorhomes
RE: New purchase Sales Tax

What's the current thinking on registering in a tax free or low tax rate state. I'm looking over $10 in tax. Is it of those things that are done all the time? Are there certain states that welcome the income for registering in their state? I presume you mean WAY "over $10 in tax".... I see you're in New York- I believe that's one of many States that are cracking down ferociously on out-of-state registered vehicles, especially rv's. There's an interesting discussion on this very subject going on right now at IRV2- the O.P. in that case is an Indianian that got hit hard for his Montana LLC dodge, but there's talk over there about New Yorks' efforts, too.Here's a link to that discussion
Francesca Knowles 11/15/13 11:28am Class A Motorhomes
RE: registering

"Everyone in on the lookout for montana LLC's, don't even go there." Why not? As I have repeatedly said, if you KNOW the applicable laws, and OBEY the laws, and DOCUMENT your compliance with the laws, you will have NO trouble! As for a physical address, just go to the UPS store, rent a PMB, and your address becomes the street address of the UPS store, as in: Joe Doaks 1234 Any Street PMB X442 Anytown, Anystate, 59187-1234 You can use that address on your vehicle registrations, your driver licenses, whatever you need to use it for. When you move to another location, simply call the UPS store and change the address where your mail is to be forwarded. We did it for three years, while we moved every 13 weeks. It worked great. When I go to change my license over they will ask for something proving I live at the address I give them.For example electric bill,gas bill,landline phone bill,cable bill.This is the trouble I run in to because its not a house but a motorhome.
joe0508 09/25/13 06:11pm Full-time RVing
RE: registering

As someone who has been there and done that, and gotten caught, and had to pay the state of Illinois nearly $7000 in sales taxes, just don't do it. In my case, I did not establish a domicile in Montana. (most don't, right?) And many if not most states require vehicle registration to be transfered if the vehicle is physically in the state for 31 days. And they are on to the Montana LLC thing. When I bought the Knight in Florida, titled and registered to my Montana LLC, Florida sent a letter to my state of domicile (Illinios) the same day they issued my temporary tag. The revenuers are talking to each other. They are trolling these forums. I would highly discourage anyone from trying to title and tag any vehicle in a state they do not "live" in. As in vote in, own property in, pay taxes in... Signed, "Been there, done that, got the tee shirt."
JimM68 09/25/13 05:16pm Full-time RVing
RE: registering

"Everyone in on the lookout for montana LLC's, don't even go there." Why not? As I have repeatedly said, if you KNOW the applicable laws, and OBEY the laws, and DOCUMENT your compliance with the laws, you will have NO trouble! As for a physical address, just go to the UPS store, rent a PMB, and your address becomes the street address of the UPS store, as in: Joe Doaks 1234 Any Street PMB X442 Anytown, Anystate, 59187-1234 You can use that address on your vehicle registrations, your driver licenses, whatever you need to use it for. When you move to another location, simply call the UPS store and change the address where your mail is to be forwarded. We did it for three years, while we moved every 13 weeks. It worked great. X2 This is what I do, although I was already a resident of TN before I went FT.
waroland 09/25/13 04:48pm Full-time RVing
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