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Dish Network Automatic Rooftop Dish for new Eastern Arc
Does anybody know if anyone makes an automatic rooftop dish (not a dome!) that is the equivalent of a Dish 1000.4 that supports the Eastern Arc from Dish Network?
Explanation:
Normally, Dish Network uses satellites at 110 and 119 for their standard definition broadcasts, and that can be picked up with a two LNB Dish 500. HD is on the satellite at 129, and the Dish 1000.2 is a three LNB dish that can pick up 110, 119, and 129 simultaneously. I see automatic rooftop dishes from Winegard and MotoSat that support Dish 1000.2 functionality and pick up 110, 119, and 129.
The issue is that in the far northeast, getting a good signal on 129 can be problematical. So Dish duplicated a lot of HD channels on 61.5, and also put my HD local channels on that satellite. But 61.5 is too far away from 110 and 119 to be able to get them all with one dish, so I have two right now. This is a common situation for many people on the East coast.
To eliminate the need for two dishes, they have come out with a new "Eastern Arc" set of satellites consisting of satellites at 72.7 and 77 for SD, and 61.5 for HD. These are close together enough that they can be picked up by a single dish, and this new dish is called a Dish 1000.4.
With such a dish, I could get all of my programming, including my locals in HD. If I went with the 1000.2 offerings from Winegard or MotoSat, I wouldn't get my locals in HD, and I might not get any HD at all from 129 if I go too far North or East. Getting locals in HD is not that big of a deal, and I know I won't get them if I get too far out of the spot beam. But before I invest in the older style 1000.2 dish, I figure I might as well see if there is a new Eastern Arc solution anywhere for RVers.
So, the question is, does anybody make a rooftop automatic folding dish that supports 61.5, 72.7, and 77 simultaneously?
If you want more information on this new Eastern Arc, CLICK HERE.
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ShapeShifter
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06/24/09 03:42pm |
Technology Corner
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Dish HDTV and motosat BOW on RV; switch information
OK gang here is my dilemma. I just installed a Dish receiver 722K, dual tuner for HDTV. I know I can not receive the required 3 birds on BOW and will use the F-1 BOW for regular non-HD programing when traveling. My problem is that when hooked to the 1000.1 dish at our lot, the receiver requires 3 inputs, the two from the F-1 BOW and another from the Dish 1000.1 dish and these must pass through a switch to get to the receiver. The SW-21 is out, because it isn't compatible with another switch and the 34 or 44 switch will not see the lipstick LNB from the BOW because it is a legacy LNB, however it will see the 110 legacy LNB. does anyone know of a 3 input, 2 output switch that will see the 2 legacy LNBs, the 1000.1 LNB and pass the information through to the 722K?
Thanks for the replies.
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The Texan
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06/23/09 09:35pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
For over a year my Winegard 3005 has worked with out any problems every time.
Have heard the Motosat SL-5 changed control boxes since it came out & still needs software updates every once in a while.Software updates seem to be an ongoing thing for some reason. I'd like to find out why.
BTW: The SK-2003 is a full 5 LNB antenna exactly like the Motosat.
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SCVJeff
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06/21/09 08:54pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
For over a year my Winegard 3005 has worked with out any problems every time.
Have heard the Motosat SL-5 changed control boxes since it came out & still needs software updates every once in a while.
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Triker33
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06/21/09 08:21pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
both are good I found the Motosat to be built a little better which is why we went that route. The 5 lnb dish is also future proof for DirecTV with dish that may not be the case since their mpeg4 plans and northern arc plans are a little hazy right now.
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Aridon
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06/21/09 06:18am |
Technology Corner
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
I was all set to go for the Motosat to replace a dead AS-2003, but Winegard made me a swingin' trade-in deal that couldn't be passed up. After installing and using it now for several months there is no way I would spend the extra $$ on a Motosat for DSS only. Winegard made a huge mistake with the AS-2003, but really did their homework on this antenna.
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SCVJeff
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06/21/09 12:05am |
Technology Corner
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
I have checked them both and the MotoSat is $2000 and the Winegard is $1500. Both seem based on the SlimLine 5 dish. Is this a system that will be here for a few years? Or are there changes planned in the near future in the sat world? JDA
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rcjays
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06/20/09 08:28pm |
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RE: motosat or Winegard for HD TV
We have the 3005 and love it. I use a MotoSat for Internet but the prices on the Winegard are less than $1700 and dropping fast. I put ours in myself in an easy day. A sweet machine.
John
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JUrban
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06/20/09 04:48pm |
Technology Corner
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motosat or Winegard for HD TV
I want to add HD TV to my motor home. I currently have a Sharp HD TV and DirecTV HD tuner. I now need a HD dish. It seems that the only two offered are the MotoSat HD-SL5 and the Winegard SK-3005. The Winegard is about $500 cheaper than the Motosat. They look about the same and it apears that both are based on the Slim Line 5 Directv dish. Which to buy?? Any recommendations?? Thanks, JDA
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rcjays
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06/20/09 03:05pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: Cable TV Input to Coach
When you have your Kingdome installed (I prefer Motosat by the way http://www.motosat.com they take care of everythign.
Frankly.. Domes are not your best choice if you only want Sat TV when parked
If you plan on recording shows for later viewing, as you tool down the highway, then Domes are your ONLY choice, Else, do not use a dome.
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wa8yxm
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06/12/09 07:14pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: Direct TV Signal Loss
My RV has a King Dome dish which is controlled by a wired remote. On this trip I got the signal right away but kept losing it when the sky became cloudy or even worse when it rained.
IN my standard post about Sat tv services and antennas I point out that DOMES suffer from lower signal strength all the time and higher "Rain Fade" issues.
Short version: What you see is 100% normal
However you may be able to improve it SOME
King dome makes a spray on "Wax" (Note the quotes folks) that is supposed to improve the rain-fade problem.
(Yes, I know, it's not really a wax that's why the quotes)
Since I have a Motosat, and they say "Don't need it" I have never tried it so can't tell you how good it is
I can tell you how expensive it is though.. DO be sitting down when you hear the price on that can of stuff
(Actually, It appears I mis-remembered the price or it dropped)
Here is the link to it Dome Magic Spray or Wipe at Camping World
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wa8yxm
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06/08/09 01:19pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: Satellite HD
Winegard Trav'ler and Motosat HD aren't the only HD dishes. My portable Winegard Carryout can pick up Dish Netowrks HD channels.
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houtrz
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06/05/09 04:53pm |
Technology Corner
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RE: Satellite HD
Before you spend the money on an automatic dish you have to realize that you will have to carry a separate dish also. Too many campground where the automatic dish is useless.
Full time for over 9 years and have two roof only mounted dishes.
No need for a carry along dish to take up storage space.
Very few campgrounds don't have satellite friendly spots. If they don't I don't stay there. They will be another down the road that does.
Some will say that DIrect is easier to get a signal , which is not true. For HD both need to point at 3 satellites and when you aim you're only aiming at one.
With a roof mounted dish they only push a button to search. It finds the satellites with no problem. They won't even need to know what zip code they are in.
Winegard makes a more expensive Travl'er Dish system that mounts on your roof and is totally automatic and it has a much larger dish which is capable of seeing all three birds at the same time,
Really it is 5 birds that the SK-3005 can see at one time. 99/101/102.8/110/119
Thanks for the info thus far, and any further suggestions on which HD automatic dishes are the best let us know.
Right now for HD it is either the Winegard Trav'ler or Motosat HD
Also, Do I need separate receivers or not for multiple TV’s ( I have read something about a splitter)?
With DirecTV a separate receiver works best if you want HD on every TV. From roof antenna run a separate cable for each receiver. If you want to watch the same program on two different TV's one HD receiver will work that way also. Splitters will not work on the receiver inputs.
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Triker33
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06/04/09 03:59pm |
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RE: motostat
Motosat information will be found at Datastorm Users
Yes there is a market for used Motosat units. I suggest you make a list of all model #s of the various components you have. Any descriptions. They have on their forum a marketplace, wanted and for sale. Free to join and post.
Sidney
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SidKaye
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06/03/09 05:58pm |
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RE: Direct TV
DirecTV receivers have a setting to use either a ROUND dish or an OVAL dish
You will need your owner's manual to find it.. Make sure you set it to the shape of the dish you are using.. That's one way
The other way is 100 bucks from Motosat
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wa8yxm
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06/03/09 12:17pm |
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Which Satellite Dish for DirecTV HD
I need a portable satellite dish for DirecTV HD reception. I am trying to determine which model and where to purchase. I called DirecTV and despite my objections they would only tell me to call KVH, the makers of roof top satellite dishes.
I have a MotoSat HD SL-5 dish mounted on top my motor home and it works great. I need a portable dish for those times when the MotoSat is blocked by trees. I think I need a Slimline 5 but there appears to be several models. I need two cables feeds to the motor home since my DirecTV receiver is a HR-22 DVR recorder as well. Any suggestions?
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LK23
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06/02/09 09:17pm |
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RE: Anyone have a motosat HD antennae installed
Based on the previous post, It is obvious that LK23 is pro Motosat.
But that is OK.
If Triker 33 is pro Winegard. Why would he have a Motosat Datastorm Dish on his MH? :h
The Winegard Trav'ler SK-3005 has worked flawlessly for over a year now.
And the money saved over the Motosat bought a new 19" HD LCD for the bedroom to replace a 13" CRT.
If they both would have been the same price including install, then closest location of installer on my trip would have gotten my $$$$.
LK23...Why no answer from dealer on # 11? :)
The only bad thing about the Winegard I have seen. Is it doesn't come with a Blue Light. :B Maybe that is what makes the Winegard price less. ;)
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Triker33
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06/02/09 01:18pm |
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RE: Moto Sat
Been using the MotoSat Exec since '01. Totally bullet proof antenna, I wouldn't have any other kind.
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dons2346
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06/01/09 10:34pm |
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RE: Anyone have a motosat HD antennae installed
Based on the previous post, It is obvious that Triker 33 is pro Winegard. That's OK, however here is another viewpoint from a dealer who sells both MotoSat an Winegard. I sent the issues to the dealer and here is his reply:
1. There is more gear slop in the Motosat. The mounting plate, while being longer on the Motosat, is not as wide.
I don't see a difference in gear play. The MotoSat mounting plate is better.
2. The Motosat has plastic/vinyl covers on the mount - the Winegard has metal.
The covers on the MotoSat are plastic.
3. Manual stowing is far more difficult with the Motosat, if it should prove necessary.
Not true, manual stow is easy with MotoSat.
4. The Motosat drive system is not sealed and uses a greased chain drive that will attract dirt.
True not sealed as well. NOT true as the MotoSat chain is like a bicycle chain same as they have used for 10 years and I've never been called to replace one.
5. The Winegard is a completely sealed system - all electronics and drive gear is sealed in a waterproof metal housing.
Yes BUT the electronics for the MotoSat is down INSIDE the coach out of the weather! You decide which is best.
6. The Motosat IDU uses flashing LEDs for status. The Winegard has an LED display with messages.
True, the error codes are flashing LED's, errors found in the manual.
7. The antenna type on the Winegard can be set from the display without looking up stuff in a manual.
No big deal. Like how often will you be changing from DirecTV to another service! It takes about 3 minutes changing the MotoSar including looking up the correct code.
8. The Motosat elevation pins are not plated and rust quickly.
Never had a problem with the pins in 5+ years as a dealer! I've seen units 10+ years old and pin is fine!
9. Motosat uses a center pivot point instead of the ring bearing on the outside edge that the Winegard uses.
10. There is more side-to-side flex in the Motosat - when deployed
Also never had a problem with the side to side flex.
After receiving this information, I purchased a MotoSat SL-5. I just returned from a 4,000 mile trip and it worked flawlessly. I am pleased with MotoSat
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LK23
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06/01/09 10:07pm |
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RE: Anyone have a motosat HD antennae installed
We felt the few extra dollars spent on it vs the winguard were well placed as we found obvious quality differences when examining the two units side by side.
I purchased the Moto Sat after many hours of comparison against the Winegard. It is awesome!!! Winegard is a chep antenna that did not convince me.
Did you check real good and close to notice? :h
1. There is more gear slop in the Motosat. The mounting plate, while being longer on the Motosat, is not as wide.
2. The Motosat has plastic/vinyl covers on the mount - the Winegard has metal.
3. Manual stowing is far more difficult with the Motosat, if it should prove necessary.
4. The Motosat drive system is not sealed and uses a greased chain drive that will attract dirt.
5. The Winegard is a completely sealed system - all electronics and drive gear is sealed in a waterproof metal housing.
6.The Motosat IDU uses flashing LEDs for status. The Winegard has an LED display with messages.
7. The antenna type on the Winegard can be set from the display without looking up stuff in a manual.
8. The Motosat elevation pins are not plated and rust quickly.
9. The Motosat uses a center pivot point instead of the ring bearing on the outside edge that the Winegard uses.
10. There is more side-to-side flex in the Motosat - when deployed
11. The Motosat has needed several software updates to find the satellites. The Winegard NONE
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Triker33
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06/01/09 08:54pm |
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