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desertfam

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Posted: 05/06/04 03:37pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I did follow the the break in period which was 500 miles. I did not change the rear diff. fluid out. I never did with my F150 and I never had one problem with my supercrew. They are dana axels, which I thought were good, am I mistaken? Thank you all for your sympathy.


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Very sorry to hear of your loss - I can't think of a worse time to break down.

If your Titan has the tow package (or off-road package), then it's got the lower gears - 3.36:1, which, with the 5spd, is similar to 4.10's with a 4spd auto.

If you don't have the tow package, then you've got the standard 2.94 rear end, which is similar to a 3.73 on a 4spd auto.

Do you have either the tow package or off-road package?

You had your O/D turned off, right?


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From my understanding of Nissan's specifications because the Titan is a 5 speed automatic 3.357:1 (Lower final gear ratio) is the equivalent/similiar a four-speed automatic 4.10:1. BUT don't quote me.


that sounds right. my wonder is even though the "equivelent" of 4.10, the fact remains that the diff gear is only 3.3. to me that would seem to put a lot of pressure on the rear diff. like i've said, the titan needs to go through a learning process of towing that the other's have already gone through. maybe in a couple of years they will have learned from mistakes and make a more suitable towing rig. i'd just hate to be the guinea pig, especially during a painful time like desertfam is going through.

and you need synthetic in the differential. i use 75/140. dodge automatically uses synthetic now if you have the towing package.


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Posted: 05/06/04 04:54pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

desertfam - Sorry to hear about your trouble. Thanks for the post though. I really love our Titan, but it's mostly my wifes daily driver. I won't consider towing anything with it now. I was thinking of getting the same WW you have... but not likely now.

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When it was towing it towed the trailer great, although I did notice the tranny gauge go up when I wasn't trying to jam up a hill. We are selling our trailer if you are interested, let me know.

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Did you use synthetic in it like Nissan says you need to do?

Sorry about your loss... thats awful.

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I use whatever the dealer or factory put in it. I'm not sure if it is synthetic or not. But I will ask them to put synthetic in it, whenever I talk to them. They haven't recieved the parts yet, so we'll see.

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Posted: 05/07/04 07:56am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Really sorry to hear of your loss. I'm with AustinM, I can't think of a worse time to break down. There's no excuse for a basically new rig to fail you. It's got to be MUCH harder to deal with the breakdown at a time like this.

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I had the tow haul mode on and the OD off, but wouldn't that only effect the tranny?

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Let's compare ratios a little bit...

Dodge 48RE Automatic Transmission
1st: 2.45*4.10=10.045
2nd: 1.45*4.10=5.945
3rd: 1.00*4.10=4.10
4th: 0.69*4.10=2.829

Nissan Titan 5-speed Auto
1st: 3.827*3.36=12.85872
2nd: 2.368*3.36=7.95648
3rd: 1.519*3.36=5.10384
4th: 1.000*3.36=3.36
5th: 0.834*3.36=2.80224

So you'll see that the Titan has similar final drive ratios overall. In a differential, the pinion bearings see a lot of loads. In other words, the front pinion bearing will have a large downward force while the rear has an equal upward force. This is because as the pinion gear tries to rotate the ring gear, the rear gear resists with a similar force. Newton's Laws of Motion: "For each action (force) there is an equal and opposite reaction (force)." Now, eventually the ring gear will rotate and the vehicle will start to move. However the pinion bearings have to be able to withstand the force that the ring gear "produces" as resistance to turning.

Now, the that ratios have no effect on how much force pinion bearings need to withstand. However, the diameter of ring gear has a huge effect. You can have two differentials with a ratio of 3.36, but one with a 8-inch ring gear and one with a 9-inch ring gear. Torque is force multiplied by the diameter. So picking the Titan's peak torque in fourth (direct) gear the driveline torque should be around 380lb-ft of torque.

380lb-ft/8-in=380lb-ft/(2/3ft)=570lb
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380lb-ft/9-in=380lb-ft/(3/4ft)=507lb

Just one inch of diameter makes a large difference in how much force the pinion bearings need to withstand. This is why ring gears increase in diameter with increasing loads. I suspect that Nissan chose to use axles in the range of 8.5 inches in diameter. Just a hunch, as I couldn't verify this.


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