I have a Ford Excursion V-10 and have had a 7.3 Crewcab Dually. I see the advantages for both. I drive 5 miles to work and the excursion sits most of the time. My dullay had alot more power when towing. I believe people should be happy with what they own and don't cut on anyone elses choices. I have seen all the data from the diesels and the gasers. I like my choice because it fits my families life style. Would I take a cummins tourbo diesel. Let me put it this way. HELL YES! I love the sound and smell of diesel. but it doesn't fit my life style right now. Maybe in another 100,000 miles when the price conversions for my excursion goes down. My final thought is CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!
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2002 Toyota 4runner 2wd (DW)
2000 Excursion V-10 4x4
1998 Fleetwood Tioga 24D, V-10
1997 Ford F-150 V6, 4x4
Coachman Truck camper
1946 CJ-2a (DW's Grandfather's farm jeep)
I can say that I am sorry I purchased our used 2006 2500HD D/A Crew, for the cost of fuel. But I don't plan to sell it.
I SHOULD have stayed with my fine '98 K1500 that pulled our 5er very well. But it was an extended cab and lacked the space for growing kids and dog. Got a good deal (for May of last year) for the diesel - it cost less than a new gasser back in '98!
Diesel is $4.65 a gallon here. Oh well. We still plan on at least 5 years of family camping and the diesel pulls our 5er as if it were a little red wagon. And I definitely like putting my foot into it, though perhaps less frequently.
I just have my DW work an extra hour or two each week, LOL...
"...a knocking engine could lower the value of a vehicle by $4,000 to $6,000 at trade-in"
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"The very evidence provided by the manufacturer (GM) to indicate this condition is not a problem ultimately demonstrates that it is a problem."
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GM Consumers, do you have a 1999-2006 3.1, 3.4, 4.3, 4.6 (Northstar), 4.8, 5.3, 5.7(LS1), 6.0 or 8.1 liter engine that displays any of the following problems?
A loud embarrassing and annoying internal engine knock. Many are defective due to design and manufacturing quality consistency problems.
Higher than normal levels of wear related materials in oil analysis samples performed by independent laboratories.
Vertical piston and cylinder wall scuffing/scratching or scoring on the hammering (noisy) cylinders upon visual inspection.
Reduced combustion chamber compression on the hammering (noisy) cylinders.
Increased oil consumption.
Increased exhaust emissions.
Did GM or there agents tell you they would fix your defective vehicle in writing/and/or verbally when the phantom "New Piston" fix WAS TO arrive in the spring or summer of 2002? GM did in fact admit it had a problem and that its engineering department was working on the fix. The fix was promised to be made to consumer’s engines in the spring or summer of 2002. As the number of slapping engines grew and the cost to repair them grew as well, GM changed its policy.
We are receiving complaints from fellow slappers who are taking their vehicle's into dealerships for piston slap... Resale info on the 6.0 and 8.1...
Been there done that with the slapper, very reliable but resale was puke! the 8.1 is the same due to the slapping, plus the pcv valve issue leading to huge oil consumption...hard to fool a guy why your 8.1 sounds like a diesel with half the pulling nuts. I realize this is not a hammer your truck thread, just figured the 'ol 8.1 needed a reality check on resale. Try to keep that pig from using 2 quarts every 3k after 100k miles of towing more than a pack of celery and duracels across parking lot to charge your killer 9v alternative ride...
I wish you guys would invest more text into performance figures like you continue to do with your MPG. None of you can pick a GVCW and give me a number like 25,000 #s 0-70 MPH in 26 seconds. You continue to claim .1 .2 .7 increments in fuel consumption but I see this trend over and over with diesel owners. Even direct questions about performance are ignored. It would appear that in lacking performance you focus on fuel performance only. Hmmmm
Supercharged expedition is not an 8.1L that’s the stale old attitude that closes the minds of the diesel owners. I agree that you can't compare a small block to a diesel.
I'm not sure what you're looking for. What performance is lacking? If you're just trolling around to get a rise out of folks, then that’s fine. But there are already tests of gas versus diesel, discussed many, many times on this site, and they already prove that for acceleration, the large gas and diesel trucks post similar acceleration numbers.
Here is the data you are looking for, gas versus diesel with objective towing numbers so you can see for yourself: Gas versus Diesel Part One
But for many of us, it does come down to MPG, because it costs a darned lot of money to get our stuff to our destination. As long as my tow vehicle can tow my junk to the destination in a safe manner, MPG is all that matters. I don't care if it's powered by gas, diesel, or happy thoughts.
You may be concerned with getting up to 70 mph a second or two faster, and who wins that drag race, and that's fine. But I'd be willing to wager that MPG is the over-riding concern of most folks these days.
I appreciate the links, but they only compared the tricked out diesels to the 6.0 liter gas. What’s up with that?
You guys can't have it both ways!
You can't post up bogus shoot outs toting performance and also claim MPG in the teens when other owners of diesels state single digit towing fuel numbers.
You can't find comfort in your magazine outcomes when pulling your RV up over Highway hills in WV and PA at 48 mph. Come on guys, let’s see some real life numbers. Pick a hill on the highway and when you crest it with your 12,000 load, what’s your MPH. Find a nice aggressive on-ramp for goodness sake and record your speed as you merge with traffic. Anything is better than throwing this poop back and forth about MPG.
The more that you ignore the performance issue, the more I become convinced that diesel ownership is a lot of hype.
I get the biggest kick out of someone claiming MPG in TX. Other than the hill country that state is as flat as FL and if you are only getting 12mpg towing that tells me that on a hill you are down to 6 to 9.
If you push the little reset button on your computer as you floor it up a ramp or hill you are not getting 12mpg pulling are you?
Keep pushing through the data that your truck records and you will find Gallons used over the life of the truck. Now divide against the mileage over the life of the truck and you will get the life average.
Check into it guys and post your findings. Get it out of your system and then get back to the issue of performance.
I am not trying to get anyone fired up and continue to ignore your little girl games with 8.1Van, but when you when you have the chance, turn off the MPG part of your brains and give me some actual performance measures on the 4 lane hills.
The more all of you call each other liars and try to discredit each other over MPH the more you look kinda, well kooky.
Sorta like the logic of spending $15,000 on a bike that gets 40 mpg. You would have to drive he motorcycle for 150,000 miles to break even with the bike purchase.
We all are guilty of this type of logic, but lets get the MPG off the list of variable for just a few post please.
What % grade hill can you pull at 70mpg with diesel before it starts to drop off to 65, 60, 55 mph ?
I'm enjoying my 8.1 and not worrying about when my 6.0 PSD would have problems like many others and not having to pay for the much higher priced diesel fuel. And the extra four seats pay for ALL the gas to and from Florida.
ponie wrote: I get the biggest kick out of someone claiming MPG in TX. Other than the hill country that state is as flat as FL and if you are only getting 12mpg towing that tells me that on a hill you are down to 6 to 9.
You dont know Texas very well do you? And did you ever hear of that new fangeled notion of traveling out of state? I'm 30 miles from the border.
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And the extra four seats pay for ALL the gas to and from Florida.
