Yeah, I honestly can't remember. All I really remember is the pedal being to the floor going 25-30MPH in 1-2nd gear with the engine screaming until the computer forced me to pull over. Not to mention the freaked out wifey -- when you have an eighteen wheeler on yer butt and nowhere in sight to pull over it can be nerve racking.
After that happened 2-3 times I had enough.
The thing that sucked was I HAD to keep driving but the gauges were all pinned by the computer so you couldn't actually see where the temps were. I suppose if it got really bad it would have went into limp mode but in the end I always found some place to pull over before that happened.
Sold it when I got home and never looked back. It was about four years old and only had about 20,000 (HARD) miles on it. One of the few times I MADE money on a vehicle though.
Was sorry to see it go -- I LOVED that truck -- but I needed a vehicle that could cope with the mountains.
For the record - This thread is HILARIOUS...
Hannibal wrote: There's no red on the tach. 4500rpm is normal operating rpm for the 5.4L under load. Won't hurt a thing. The videos sounded like a nice quiet ride to me. But, I'm glad you're happy and worry free now. We're very happy and worry free with our 5.4L as well. If not, I would have traded it for my 7th diesel long before now.
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Ya this is a funny one. Bottom line is neither gas or diesel are right for all scenarios and where are you willing to compromise? I'd never go back to gas for rv pulling through the mountains, not after experiencing the difference. The right tool for the job depends on the job but on big grades and over 10k a diesel hd truck is that tool. I'm on holidays and what I want is relaxed towing and reliability - not guage watching and noise level headaches and "turn the air con off we're overheating". The confidence a proper tow rig inspires is priceless for me. For others not so much. Pick your poison.
Im with Paul CLancy, though I drive a gasser 454cu in a 2500 Suburban, towing without straining is priceless. The lack of stress during the journey is a big part of rv'ing. Setting up the tow vehicle to match the rig your pulling is a big part of the equation. Whenever we hit the road, I always see someone pulling to much rig with too little a vehicle. Eventually we would like to trade up to a fifth and when that happens, it will be a diesel for the torque and better fuel mileage.
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Hannibal wrote: There's no red on the tach. 4500rpm is normal operating rpm for the 5.4L under load. Won't hurt a thing. The videos sounded like a nice quiet ride to me. But, I'm glad you're happy and worry free now. We're very happy and worry free with our 5.4L as well. If not, I would have traded it for my 7th diesel long before now.
Found a video of the dash. The tach is red @ 5500 RPM.
This puts it into perspective: (Please ignore the background music - it's raunchy and disgusting. Turn volume way down if kids are around)
Hannibal wrote: There's no red on the tach. 4500rpm is normal operating rpm for the 5.4L under load. Won't hurt a thing. The videos sounded like a nice quiet ride to me. But, I'm glad you're happy and worry free now. We're very happy and worry free with our 5.4L as well. If not, I would have traded it for my 7th diesel long before now.
Found a video of the dash. The tach is red @ 5500 RPM.
This puts it into perspective: (Please ignore the background music - it's raunchy and disgusting. Turn volume way down if kids are around)
Not offended by the music. I like Nelly's Country Grammar CD. However, I'm seeing a casual subtle rumble 3800rpm at 60mph for extended time and the temp gauges look normal. The tach shows 7k rpm max with no redline. This is what I see towing our 5th wheel up the Blue Ridge grades at 60mph in summer heat. Still not seeing a problem. You sure you're not blowing smoke to justify the diesel. No justification needed. Wanting one has always been all the justification I needed. I have no regrets with any of my trucks gas or diesel.
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Oh, no -- wasn't a problem time at all in this video. Just an example of the sound of the engine with the pedal to the floor while climbing a quick grade. This would be perfectly acceptable as you say. I'm talking about when I was in situations like I described above, where it's to the floor for extended periods of time.
Believe me, I would have killed to be able to keep that truck. I absolutely loved it. (I had leased four of them prior, since I was 18 years old!) My F250 isn't remotely as comfortable or feature rich as that truck. I don't even have a freakin' outside temperature gauge on my F250 (and it's mostly loaded, all leather, etc!!) With a sticker price of $55,000 it's really sickening. I have leased all of my vehicles up until my last two trucks. When I bought that one I was buying a "Tow Vehicle" that I would be able to KEEP and use for many years to come, even when I eventually upgraded to a bigger trailer.
When I had all of the "overheating" problems out west I was VERY upset as I put a huge cash down payment on it and knew I couldn't keep it. There was no way that vehicle would last the amount of time I needed it to last running it like that summer after summer after summer. I realize that it's designed to do it but it just wasn't enough truck for my needs. I was planning on having a child soon (who is one year old next week!) and knew I wouldn't be able to keep buying new vehicles anymore. I didn't want to be out west five years from now and drop a trans or have an engine explode on me in the middle of nowhere. Yes, of course it could happen with any vehicle anytime but I like to play it as safe as I can. If I were able to keep that truck it would be paid off by now. As it is now I'm stuck with 21ish more payments on this beast:
If you look close in that video you'll see @ 5500 RPM the little lines on the tach are red. I have a daylight picture somewhere if you make me dig it up.. hahah...
Now on the F250 there is NO redline or red-dashes on that tach.
Not offended by the music. I like Nelly's Country Grammar CD. However, I'm seeing a casual subtle rumble 3800rpm at 60mph for extended time and the temp gauges look normal. The tach shows 7k rpm max with no redline. This is what I see towing our 5th wheel up the Blue Ridge grades at 60mph in summer heat. Still not seeing a problem. You sure you're not blowing smoke to justify the diesel. No justification needed. Wanting one has always been all the justification I needed. I have no regrets with any of my trucks gas or diesel.
Ah, now I see the red marks in the video. My F250 doesn't have those. Aside from the diesel fuel note, my gauge cluster looks like yours. It also has a huge radiator and a good size transmission cooler for the TS transmission. Probably why I have no issues. The outside temp gauge is one of the things I miss the most from my Rams. Even a Prius has an outside temp display. Good luck with that IH/Navistar.
Hannibal wrote: Ah, now I see the red marks in the video. My F250 doesn't have those. Aside from the diesel fuel note, my gauge cluster looks like yours. It also has a huge radiator and a good size transmission cooler for the TS transmission. Probably why I have no issues. The outside temp gauge is one of the things I miss the most from my Rams. Even a Prius has an outside temp display. Good luck with that IH/Navistar.
My farm tractor and wheel loader both have outside air temp gauges too.
Hannibal wrote: Ah, now I see the red marks in the video. My F250 doesn't have those. Aside from the diesel fuel note, my gauge cluster looks like yours. It also has a huge radiator and a good size transmission cooler for the TS transmission. Probably why I have no issues. The outside temp gauge is one of the things I miss the most from my Rams. Even a Prius has an outside temp display. Good luck with that IH/Navistar.
I know -- Ridiculous, huh? (The temp gauge) - Now I'm going to have to put an aftermarket unit in somewhere.
I had the trailer towing package with transmission cooler on the previous truck... Which BTW was an EXPEDITION. NOT an F250.
I think that explains a few things running through your mind.
Yeah, I'm hoping I got a good 6.4. Since I put so few miles on it I think I am going to invest in the extended warranty sooner rather than later. Ya just never know.
Be careful in choosing an extended warranty. Most are carefully worded as to what is covered and what is not. The catch is, if a non covered item such as "belts and hoses" causes a covered item to fail, then the covered item is also not covered. This leaves a huge loophole for them to wiggle out of. It's usually a non covered item that causes the failure of a covered item.
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