Most of the UPS parcel delivery hi cube step vans that I've seen in California recently are all gasoline powered now.
FedEx driver rolled up in a new gasoline powered truck also. Couldn't hear her from down the street anymore. She told me FedEx is switching to gas as well.
My best guess is that the switch is related to fleet compliance requirements and emmissions regulations for over 14,000 GVW trucks that are being phased in this year and over the next decade.
I can confirm that diesel is consistently higher in price per gallon in California than premium 91 Octane gasoline. The Shell Station picture posted a few posts up is undoubtedly real.
Any RV pulling truck in California that can run loaded uphill without ping or knock on regular 87 octane pump gas and get 7 - 8 miles per gallon towing up to it's maximum ratings, is going to give a new modern diesel tasked with the same load a definite run for it's money economically on all cost fronts: initial acquisition, fueling, maintainence, registration, smog testing, and insurance.
I run and maintain diesel and gas trucks simultaneously.
Go back to the second post overall on this endless thread. $1.55 a gallon for diesel on 06/21/04. That price has nearly TRIPLED in less than eight years. Would love some stats from someone much more educated than myself on the numbers from our current "administration".
FWIW, I fueled up with diesel here in Cheyenne yesterday evening for $3.979/gal. Four years ago, summer of 08 under a different "administration", diesel prices peaked at $4.771/gal.
Has little or nothing to do with politics.
Sorry to spoil your rant.
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-2008 F250 XLT 4x4/CC/SB
5.4L 300/365 V8 Torqshift 4.30AAM
9400lb GVW 11200lb tow
-2007 Volvo XC90 AWD V8
4.4L 311/325 V8 6sp Aisin loaded
6100lb GVW 5000lb tow
-1999 Land Cruiser
4.7L 230/320 V8 4sp A343 loaded
6860 GVW 6500lb tow
I cannot afford to always own a vehicle that is in warranty. can't buy a new 40k vehicle every 4-5 years. I read the horror stories here and other places about the repair bills on the diesels. some up in the 10k plus range. when they do break they plain cost lots more to fix outside of warranty.
The other reason is that it costs 8k or so more to start. then factor in the finance costs on the 8k so add maybe another 1000. Then add about 500 worth of DEF over 125k miles. then factor slightly increased maint costs, and the 40 cents of so premium of diesel fuel. also for me I pay personal property tax on the vehicle so I pay property tax on that 8k premium.
I keep them for 10-12 years and will put maybe 125-150k on it. neither gas nor diesel will be likely to wear out in that period. the diesel would get about 3 mpg better over that period and will have decreased fuel cost but would be offset by the all the additional expenses outlined earlier.
In towing power differences read the pickuptrucks.com shootouts to see a full throttle measured comparison. the gas engines towing in the 10-12k trailer range are plenty powerful enough to maintain reasonable speed on any interstate grade. You just have to be willing to press the pedal. yes the engine will make some noise while you do this but it isn't hurting anything.
Does a diesel make sense towing over 12k absolutely. under 12k i don't think it makes sense. But this is America, if you want a diesel get it if you can afford it, it will tow any weight better but I don't see a need for it under 12k given it's financial disadvantages.
Good point John. And I've done a comparison between a 2003 SO Cummins Ram and an identical 2005 Hemi powered 2500HD. If I were deaf and didn't have a tachometer, I wouldn't know the difference towing our 10,400 lb Jayco 5th wheel. The Hemi would actually tow it faster up the grades although it was at 5k rpm/70mph. I usually set cruise at 65 in the interstates and 60 on the back roads and let it shift and do it's thing. The Hemi from direct to second and the Cummins from O/D to direct on the uphills. One shifted as much as the other. Never hurt a thing. Cringe factor is not an engine weakness or transmission problem. More of a mental problem.
I previously owned an '05 Dodge QuadCab, 2500, 4x4, Cummins, 3.73 and while I loved the truck and the way it towed anything. But... I can't help but admit how much I actually love the truck/ combo I "downsized" into.
I'm now driving a 2011 Ford F-150, SuperCab, 2wd, 5.0L, 3.55 Yes this is a gasser, and a small one but boy is it stout. My old work truck an '08 GM, 2500HD, 6.0L, 3.73 didn't run or feel as powerful as this new Ford 5.0L. in hind sight I kick myself for not getting the EcoBoost, my reason at the time was that the 3.5L had just come out when I needed a truck last year and dealers were not dealing on them as they were in serious demand. The good news was that all of the 5.0L truck had $12K Off the sticker!! so that was a no brainer.
I also had some warranty work done on my new truck a few months ago (slip-yoke-bump) and Ford gave me a '12 SuperCrew, EcoBoost loaner to drive around. While I know that setup would tow better than my 5.0L, I really could not feel a differenace between the 5.0L & the 3.5L EcoBoost on the road with nothing in the bed or being towed behind.
My 5.0L gets a no joke 22 mpg on the highway empty, cruise set at 68 or 70 and about 15-16 in town. The EcoBooost trucks get about 1 mpg +/- Hwy/ City from what I read. Still 22 mpg's from a normally aspirated V8 is amazing.
Anyway, the wife & I are getting ready to pull the plug on a 20-24' TT with a weight of around 3500-4900 lbs dry, and to be honest I am more than sure my F-150 will be up to the task. I know nobody will belive me, but I swear my '11, 5.0L, F-150 pulls as good as my old '05 Dodge Ram 3/4, Cummins. On top of that the truck is a "Hot-Rod" around town when you are going from light to light or merging onto the highway.