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Posted By: DanaMc on 02/13/05 04:34pm

CELL PHONE INTERNET ACCESS

This is designed to explain the basic approach to using your cell phone with your computer to connect to the internet. It is not intended to be an in depth coverage of the topic. Rather it is intended to help folks get acquainted with what is necessary and a suggested resource or two. The first step in this process would be to check with your cell phone carrier. Make sure there is no reason you can’t use your phone like a modem. Some carriers can provide this for an additional fee.

It is the most cost effective way to keep up with your email and favorite web pages from nearly anywhere. In most cases you do not need a separate or different phone plan. You will use your plan minutes and can manage it to take advantage of the unlimited nights and weekends just as you might for conversations. Regular cell phone roaming charges may apply depending on where you are and whether your carrier has an agreement with the local service provider. This is no different than any other situation.

The key components needed are your cell phone, a special USB cord designed specifically for your cell phone. It will connect your cell phone directly to your computer via a USB port on the computer. Finally you will want software to manage the connection and compress the data being sent. There are many sources for this equipment. You can check with your local cell phone retailer. Radio Shack is a good source on this topic as well. But they will only be familiar with the phones they sell. I have been using SnapDialer. I have been very happy with the combination of Verizon and SnapDialer to connect to the internet.

Once your software is installed and configured for your internet service provider, you will only need to click on the Icon to launch your internet session. What service provider you use is not part of this topic. However there are many low cost or free email services such as Google’s Gmail, Microsoft’s Hotmail, or Yahoo.

Below is some additional reading on this topic:

HOW-TO: Use your CDMA cell phone as a USB modem

Cell Phone Internet Connections

Cellular Fills Gap Between Hotspots


Looking for a boost in your signal? There are third party systems that can enhance your cellular signal and/or facilitate the use of a cell phone in your RV or your home. One example of this is Wilson Cellular Antennas & Amplifiers. Properly installed, these systems can enhance your range of coverage.


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Posted By: Crabbypatty on 02/13/05 04:53pm

Great Topic, I use verizonwireless mobile office kit and it works exactly as you describe. Ito also allows me to download email, but I cant seem to send it. Any thoughts? The settings appear the same as receive. You seem very knowledgable, so any tips would be apprecited.

Thanks
CP


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Posted By: chrishick on 02/13/05 05:22pm

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The key components needed are your cell phone, a special USB cord designed specifically for your cell phone. It will connect your cell phone directly to your computer via a USB port on the computer.


Great post! One small thing to add. Instead of the usb cable you might check on a Bluetooth conection. Wireless and easy. If your phone is already bluetooth it would be much easier. If you have never heard of bluetooth I won't bore you with all the details, just do a google!

Thanks again DanaMc


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Posted By: NASAGuy on 02/13/05 05:45pm

Hi DanaMc
Thanks for taking the time to address this rather complex subject. It seems the practicality of the "tethered laptop" approach depends on which wireless carrier and wireless plan a person is dealing with. In my case I have a Cingular Nation plan. I have spent a fair amount of time investigating this subject on this forum, the Yahoo forum, and the Howard forums. To make along story short it seems that a Cingular customer will be charged data by the kb when tethering to a laptop. kb usage can be very high. One report on this forum indicated a Cingular customer received a one month bill for $1500. An obvious option is to buy the Cingular Media Works package for $19.95 per month which has unlimited wireless internet. This should solve this problem-right? Nope, it seems Cingular says this is plan is only for direct cell phone internet access and anyone wanting to "tether" a laptop is supposed to buy one of their even more pricey data plans which cost up to $80/month.
I know there are people on this forum who state they are charged only air time minutes when hooked to their laptops. I have no reason to disbelieve their claims but I have no explanation either. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe these folks have an older Cingular plan that does not charge for data by the kb.
At this point I have just about decided to forget about the "tethered laptop" approach and will continue to use WiFi when it is available or find a place to use my trusty dial up connection in the campground.
Please let me know if I am in error on any of the above and keep in mind I was referring only to Cingular Wireless.
Bill in Florida


Posted By: DanaMc on 02/13/05 05:47pm

Chrishick,

For everyone's benefit, please add a post with the details of the Bluetooth option. I know there are many folks who have more recent equipment than others including myself. So I'm very interested in anything along these lines.

Thanks for your contribution.


Posted By: handyman21221 on 02/13/05 06:32pm

Just what I was looking 4 !
THANK YOU!!!


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Posted By: Nascarcruzin on 02/13/05 06:36pm

I use the Verizon's air card. It, so far, has been really great!

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Posted By: chrishick on 02/13/05 06:39pm

Ok this can be a little confusing since it is ANOTHER wireless technology. Bluetooth is a replacement for cables. It has a range of about 30 feet. If your cell phone is bluetooth equipped then you can buy a bluetooth "dongle" for your laptop. This does the same thing as the usb cable. It allows your computer to talk to your cell phone wirelessly. They make bluetooth headsets for the cell phones so you can talk on the phone without ever taking it out of your pocket. They make bluetooth keyboards, mice and printers. I can send you a digital photo from the other side of the room using bluetooth.

I have the unlimited data plan with T-mobile for $20 a month. I have a Sony Ericson T610 phone with bluetooth. I never have to get up and find my phone to get online as long as it is within 30 feet of where I am sitting. It truly works great!

http://www.bluetooth.org has more info.


Posted By: DanaMc on 02/13/05 07:13pm

Makes great sense to me. Thanks for that information.

Not too get too far afield here, but with the bluetooth dongle, what other bluetooth options are open to you? Is bluetooth limited to a range of only 30 feet +/-?

Thanks,


Posted By: Pushin40 on 02/13/05 09:56pm

[quote]Great Topic, I use verizonwireless mobile office kit and it works exactly as you describe. Ito also allows me to download email, but I cant seem to send it. Any thoughts? The settings appear the same as receive. You seem very knowledgable, so any tips would be apprecited. Thanks CP[/quote] You problem sending mail is probably due to your provider who is handling your email account. When you send mail you connect to a what is called an SMTP server. Due to excessive SPAM, most providers only let a computer on their network send mail through the SMTP server. So when you are at home on your cable or DSL modem, or when you are dialed up to your providers network, you are allowed to send mail. When you use the cell phone to connect to the internet, your provider prevents you from using their SMTP server as you appear "foreign" to them. Since you use Verizon, they have a SMTP service available to you, but you have to know your vtext.com password (sign up on vtext.com if you haven't already). Once you have your vtext password: SMTP Server: smtp.vzwmail.net User name: [9-digit phone number]@vzwmail.net for example 6505551212@vzwmail.net Password:Your www.vtext.com password I suggest you write down your current smtp server setting in your email program before changing them to use Verizon. That way, when you go back home, you can easily get back, although the Verizon server will most likely continue to work.

Note: Due to invalid formatting, all formatting has been ignored.

* This post was edited 02/15/05 08:16am by Pushin40 *


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/13/05 10:15pm

crabbypatty

do you a pop3/stmp account or a web/imap account

there are slight differences in retrieving pop3 and the stmp-send settings

the management page of your account, should give you the exact info for the settings of both

also some pop3 accounts require SSL compatabilty for sending

my stmp settings use a different port than the pop3 settings

I find 'Calypso' email client program easier to setup and use than outlook express, and it's a free download


Options, always have options, and the journey goes much smoother
....

Connected thru Verizon with HotSpot WiFi using a Samsung Galaxy Nexus



Posted By: DanaMc on 02/13/05 10:18pm

Pushin40,

I am a bit puzzled with part of your post. When I configure my software, it is set to dial into my ISP. The cell phone is nothing more than a modem. So I have no problem reaching the SMTP outgoing email servers.

Not to take issue because I believe there is a good message there. I was wondering if you could elaborate on how or why someone would have to connect any other way than a direct dial-in to their ISP from their cell phone.

Thanks very much for your input.


Posted By: chrishick on 02/14/05 02:09am

Quote:

Pushin40,

I am a bit puzzled with part of your post. When I configure my software, it is set to dial into my ISP. The cell phone is nothing more than a modem. So I have no problem reaching the SMTP outgoing email servers.

Not to take issue because I believe there is a good message there. I was wondering if you could elaborate on how or why someone would have to connect any other way than a direct dial-in to their ISP from their cell phone.

Thanks very much for your input.


I think it is mostly a problem when you dial in on say Earthlink and try to send mail on Verizon servers. They don't like that.

CP, you say the setting appear the same as receive? They are usually different for incoming and outgoing servers. Such as pop.verizon.net and smtp.verizon.net.

As for bluetooth options? I don't know, they come out with new devices everyday. It has been around a few years but is just starting to gain a little popularity. Range is going to pretty much be 30 feet max. In the networking world this is called a PAN, personal area network. You have LAN, local area network which might cover your house or office and then you have WAN, wide area network which might be used to link corporate offices in NYC, LA and Dallas. PANs are small and as the name says, personal(mostly).


Posted By: magicbus on 02/14/05 07:02am

Quote:

I am a bit puzzled with part of your post. When I configure my software, it is set to dial into my ISP. The cell phone is nothing more than a modem. So I have no problem reaching the SMTP outgoing email servers....I think it is mostly a problem when you dial in on say Earthlink and try to send mail on Verizon servers. They don't like that.

This is correct. Some mail servers only allow access from within their network. Others allow you to use your "home" servers even when you are outside their firewall.

When you use your cell phone to dial your ISP, you are "inside" their network. If you use Verizon #777 to access their National Access network or, as in my case, AT&T EDGE service, the carrier connection leaves you "outside your home network" which causes some people to have to make configuration changes.

Dave






Posted By: Pushin40 on 02/14/05 10:37pm

Quote:

Pushin40,

I am a bit puzzled with part of your post. When I configure my software, it is set to dial into my ISP. The cell phone is nothing more than a modem. So I have no problem reaching the SMTP outgoing email servers.

Not to take issue because I believe there is a good message there. I was wondering if you could elaborate on how or why someone would have to connect any other way than a direct dial-in to their ISP from their cell phone.

Thanks very much for your input.

My original post assumed the user was using the 1X or Quick2Net connection which presents a problem for some email servers as you are not using your ISP to connect to the internet. Sorry for the confusion

Some cell phones can connect to the internet using a special Verizon service much faster compared to using them to dial a regular ISP number.

You can often use many different cell phones to dial your ISP just like you can from your home phone line. However, if you are a Verizon Wireless subscriber and have a 1XRTT (or 1X for short) capable cell phone, you can access the internet using Verizon's 1X "NationalAccess" service at a much faster rate (usually). Other carrier's also have methods to access the internet using them rather than your regular ISP but I have only used Verizon and can't comment on other cell providers.

Using your ISP you will probably get somewhere between 9.6 kbps to 19.2 kbps connect rates even if your computer reports a faster connection. When you use Verizon 1X network, you get on average 64 kbps with bursts up to 144 kbps. That's a lot faster.

It will only work with a 1X capable phone when you have 1X coverage. Most 1X phones will have a 1X indicator on the display so you know you are in a 1X area. Coverage can be found on the Verizon Wireless website here. Select the NationalAccess option and the zip code in question.

To try using the Verizon 1X service, you can create a new dial-up account on your computer that uses your cell phone as a modem just like you currently do when you dial your regular ISP number. Use the following settings:

Number to dial: #777 (include the pound sign "#777")
Username: {9-digit phone number}@vzw3g.com for example 6505551212@vzw3g.com
Password: vzw

Note: These are very different settings than the smtp server settings in my previous post

It uses minutes of use as if you were talking to someone who is not "IN". On my plan, I get "free nights and weekends" so after 9PM I can use my phone to call the NationalAccess service with no impact on my minutes of use. The rest of the time, the call eats up my minutes just like I was talking to someone. The call appears on my bill as a call to "777-000-0001". Your plan may be different so act accordingly. Your current ISP dial-up number probably behaves the same way when you call it with your cell phone. Again, your plan may be different and if you are not using Verizon, your carrier may have other charges as a previous post indicated. Also, Verizon could change the rules at some point so call them and ask.

Verizon has the Mobile Office Kit that includes software to set all of this up for you. It also includes a 3rd application called "Venturi" which is acceleration software. It can make a big difference for general web browsing so if Internet access on your cell phone is important to you, spend the $40 for the Mobile Office Kit.

FWIW, I also have a Verizon Aircard. However I have found that reception of 1X on my cell phone is far better than the reception for my Aircard. I use an external antenna with my aircard that greatly improves coverage but often my cell phone 1X performs better than my Aircard.

Also, Verizon is rumored to soon release a phone that is EVDO and 1X capable. The EVDO, or "BroadbandAccess" is even faster approaching low end DSL speeds. As of this post, it is available in approx. 30 markets. They claim to be adding more sites in 2005. When Broadband coverage is not available, it falls back to the NationalAccess 1X rates. Today you need a PC5220 Aircard to get Broadband rates, which I have and love!



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Posted By: ET1(ss) on 02/15/05 09:45am

Pushin40,

Good post lots of good info.

"...Coverage can be found on the Verizon Wireless website here. Select the NationalAccess option and the zip code in question."

I had not known such was available.

I do have an issue though, in that from my own observations that chart is not accurate.

Driving North on I-95 standard normal cellphone coverage continues up through Portland Maine, but it stops right before you leave Portland. By the time you get to Augusta, it has long left you. and there is no further coverage for all of the remainder of the state.

I have property within ear range of the traffic on I-95, and yet I am 2 1/2 hours of freeway driving away from Verizon coverage just to place a phone call.

Thanks

:-)


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Posted By: Pushin40 on 02/15/05 10:25am

Quote:

I do have an issue though, in that from my own observations that chart is not accurate.

No arguement here, but in some cases it has been right on the money for me. At the same time every phone has different characteristics and some provide better reception than others. My wife's VzW phone is not as good as mine, but mine cost a lot more (me being a gadget geek).

Maybe the guy in the commercials hasn't made it there yet... "Can you hear me now?"

BTW... you should update your "roaming capabilities" monthly as cell towers and agreements with other providers change often. For Verizon, when under Verizon coverage (not roaming), dial *228, then press option 2. Wait until it tells "update successful" or something to that effect, then power cycle your phone. This can sometimes provide access to new towers that were recently installed.

For example, Verizon Wireless came to my home town just last year. Until then I was using another provider. Once VzW was here, I had friends from out of town who had VzW and their phone would say "Roaming" while my new VzW phone said "Verizon Wireless". They had to get back into an area that their phone recognized as VzW coverage, then do the *228 before their phone would recognize the new towers in my area.


Posted By: DanaMc on 02/15/05 04:07pm

ET1(ss):

In addition to updating your phone info on local towers, you might also want to investigate Wilson Cellular Antennas - link in the first entry. They may have a good solution for you.

Let us know how you make out with this.

DanaMc


Posted By: rodbuilder on 02/16/05 09:45am

I also use Verizon Wireless Mobile Office with no problems except...

When i'm in Extended Network areas they don't offer data service. Something to take into consideration... Good Luck... Gary...


Posted By: 3kids2pugs on 02/17/05 06:12am

I also tried to investigate this last spring before a 3 week trip. Had just bought a new laptop, upgraded my fone to one that had internet access, purchased that precious $60 USB cable to "tether", and then spend quite a bit of time on the fone trying to work it out..... AT&T also did not let you use "minutes", instead everything was data transfer in KB... which as advised, just pulling up a website could be quite large, (example, look at this one-- click on File, then Properties, and you'll see)... then of course any clicking browsing, unwanted popups, well, I can see where that large bill came from.....--- I didn't even bother trying on the road... just used the fone to access Yahoo email once or twice... since direct thru the fone, was not too many KB, but wouldn't advise on a regular basis....
I've now switched over to Cingular(they've taken over AT&T), and like you, have given up on internet thru cell fone, until I hear they have a "minutes" plan.... for now, I doubt it.


Posted By: mtollin on 02/18/05 06:48am

I also use Verizon, and on plans out of Tampa Bay, FL it seems you can only access internet on the slower network with voice plans. I tried the higher speed access then spent 30 minutes on the phone with tech support. Finally they came back and told me I did not have high speed internet access turned on. If I wanted it it would be $49 per month ADDITIONAL PLUS extra per minute use. Does not use voice minutes.

Air card was cheaper at $79 with unlimited minutes, but less coverage and more startup costs.

Man is it slow. Feels worse than my first 2400 baud modem!

Mike


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Posted By: magicbus on 02/18/05 06:55am

Quote:

Air card was cheaper at $79 with unlimited minutes, but less coverage and more startup costs.

Maybe you should take AT&T's aircard for their free trial. I've used it all over FL with generally 170K speeds. Even around the country the worst I've had is 30K except for Death Valley where there was no coverage.

Dave


Posted By: Clay L on 02/20/05 08:14am

rodbuilder

Quote:

When i'm in Extended Network areas they don't offer data service.


That depends on the extended network. Many do offer data service.

Two and a half years ago, I found that a lot of them did not, but each year more and more do. Now I find that most of them do in the areas I travel.
I found I do have to update my phone's software by dialing *288 to get the new area info.


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Posted By: stracos on 02/20/05 12:45pm

Great post.

For those that haven't tried this yet, keep in mind that you cannot recieve a phone call while your phone is being used as a modem.

Now that dedicated data cards are down to $49 to $149, it might be worth picking one up.

Also, at least verizon is slowly expanding their broadband access service (which their $149 cards are forward compatible with) and it offers 300kbps-2mbps speeds. They'll probably have phones soon that are compatible with it too. They might already. But I'd rather have a pcmcia card in my laptop for $149 than tie up my cell phone.

$80/month is a lot, but verizon (and probably other carriers) have started monitoring bandwidth and have the right to shut down your data connection if they figure out you're using the phone as a modem tethered to your PC to avoid paying the $79/mo.

Joe






Posted By: 2oldman on 02/22/05 06:14pm

Quote:

keep in mind that you cannot recieve a phone call while your phone is being used as a modem


Not true. Some calls, not all, will come thru on my ATT cell. Text messages will work just fine when connected via phone.


Posted By: dmartin@newarts.com on 02/22/05 06:16pm

Quote:

...For those that haven't tried this yet, keep in mind that you cannot recieve a phone call while your phone is being used as a modem.....


To be precise, while your phone is being used like a "Dial Up Modem" (i.e. CSD or "Circuit Switched Data") you can't receive or place voice calls & your minutes are charged for all carriers as far I know. Some let you use night & weekend minutes (t-mo), some don't (Cingular's new policy).

However, if your phone is using GPRS (and, I suppose, EDGE) you can use the internet and voice features of your phone at the same time. The technology is "Packet Switched" just like DSL.

GPRS charges are for the amount of data, rather than the number of minutes. This is an important feature for most of us. I want to be hooked up all the time but most of the time I'm not actually using the internet at all; I'm reading or writing or doing nothing.

Cingular and T-Mobile use GPRS technology & also support CSD. Other providers may do so as well.

Dave


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Posted By: vanbikehorse on 02/24/05 05:10am

For those of you with Nokia Verizon Phones, here's a way to get Cell Phone Internet Access with the Verizon Manager and the Compression Software: Nokia doesn't support third party products, so there was no mobile office kit from Verizon. I ended up making one myself by buying the cable and drivers from Nokia and buying an older, on sale mobile office kit from Verizon for another phone and throwing the cable away to use the software. The software was outdated, but I got the right to download, so now I have the latest software running on my Nokia Mobile Office.


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Posted By: jimraysr on 02/26/05 10:49am

My experience wt. Verizon is, I receive calls when packets are not being transfered, but if data is being downloaded, the caller gets a busy, can leave a voice or text message and the phone notifies me when idle. I can call out without having to disconnect from my internet link.The billing is based on time only, but free nites and weekends.

Jim


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Posted By: DanaMc on 02/26/05 02:38pm

Re: NOKIA VERIZON PHONES

Take a look at SnapDialer. Here is the link to the NOKIA Cables

Here is the link to the NOKIA Software

I'd be surprised if they don't have what you need.


Posted By: jimraysr on 02/27/05 12:26am

I see from being on several sites lately that most are selling USB to cellular cables for $20 - $30 still. I ordered a pair of cables for our Motorola T730c's for $9.00 each including postage for this outfit in CA. We have been using them for a couple of months.

The really nice thing is it also charges the phone while connected.
thus eleminating the extra cable and wall wart.

http://123usb.net/index.html

They have cables for several brands and a lot of models.

No connection, other than being a satisfied customer.

Jim


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/04/05 02:11am

EVDO broadband verizon phones are already being sold

the LG vx8000 and the audiovox 6??? (sorry don't remember the number )) went on sale on the first monday in Feb

the 2 data plans are $49.99 and 79.99 for broadband access

Verizon is saying that 'tethered' use of MOA is not allowed with broadband phones

if you want broadband access, VZW says buy a data plan

Vcast verizons branded video downloads and WAP is a $15 a month plan that has nothing to do with hooking a PC to the phone


Posted By: JaneK on 03/06/05 02:10pm

I'm even more confused than ever! Would someone please let me know what "wi-fi" stands for? Re: the really high cingular bill, wouldn't it just be cheaper to take the $80 per mo. unlimited KB plan?


Posted By: DanaMc on 03/06/05 03:05pm

"WiFi" is an anacronym for Wireless Network connection. In other words, with a "wireless" network card in your computer, IF your computer is within the signal range of someone's wireless network, you may be able to connect to it and enjoy network speed internet access.

However it is no guarantee. It all depends on whether or not the network is open to the public or not.

Wirless networks have a general range of 1000 feet. So we're talking pretty close to "line of sight" range. But it beats being tethered to a cord.

Hope this helps.


Posted By: magicbus on 03/07/05 03:34pm

Quote:

...wouldn't it just be cheaper to take the $80 per mo. unlimited KB plan?

I have the Cingular/AT&T high speed plan for $80 and unlimited data and it's great! I just got my bill for last month - over 500 Meg of data for one price. I just leave it on all the time and I can use my phone at the same tme.

Dave


Posted By: Ipanema on 03/07/05 04:25pm

Quote: "you can't receive or place voice calls & your minutes are charged for all carriers as far I know".
Not so with Sprint. At least two years ago I was able to use the USB cable cord together with Sprints PCS software and be able to connect with my laptop 24/7 at no additional charge. That said, during Hurricane Charlie, I was unable to have access so I called Sprint's tech support. It seems that Sprint doesn't want their clients to use the cell phone as a modem other than the stupid use of the cellphone's screen. They have refused to give support stating that they do not want us to use the laptop connection unless we buy their $79. (or so) monthly program.
No one has stated they use Sprint. Is there anyone out there that does? I haven't tried mine of late and this thread has kicked up my curiousity to try it again. More later.
I have reported on this and another program called Slingshot (ggogle it) which is an inexpensive way to connect to the internet.


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Posted By: BCam on 03/08/05 10:06am

How can I tell if my Verizon plan (Digital Choice, LG VX4500 phone, Sacramento, CA area) will let me access the internet without an additional charge? I'm not sure that they'd give me the straight story if I call them since it looks like they want to charge for internet access. I'd hate to go to the time and expense of purchasing the USB cord, software, etc. only to find out if I need to pay additional $ for what would only be occassional access while on the road.


Posted By: robbie69 on 03/09/05 06:46pm

hi
this does get complicated real fast-doesn't it. drove me nuts for the longest time. like you i have cingular nation but i think where the confusion comes in is weather you plan to use their service (big bucks) or you have a dial up you can use(just min used). i ended up getting a modem capible phone(nokia 6200) the data cable and then d/l(free) the nokia suite software. i have sbc dsl which also gives you dial up access so i use that. you'll end up calling cingular to get the gprs access point-hopefully who you get on the phone will know what that is-took me a few ppl to get it(write it down and keep-just in case) you'll have to enter it into your phone and make sure gprs(atleast on my fone) is turned on, install the software and fill in the blanks. should be fairly straight forward. note of caution-if you have more than 1 usb-remember which one you use as it will look there and make sure you aren't running nokia suite or have it open when you try to connect. takes a bit of fiddling around but it does work. don't expect to break any speed records but for email and simple stuff works fine. i use mainly for on line banking and email and it does ok. the thing i can't figure out-99% of all laptops have built in modems-why can't they make a fone to use as a phone and use the built in modem-then all you'd need is a $1 phone cable


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Posted By: rednoPs on 03/10/05 04:52pm

Man oh Man....this is just so complicated. My problem with the $70+ monthly fee is that we only take a couple trips a month for just the weekends. But, I can hardly stand to be without my internet for that long. Right now we use At&t but I think I will switch to Cingular to get the Media Net unlimited for $24.99 monthly and use the USB connection.


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Posted By: jimraysr on 03/13/05 08:03am

There is a lot of information on VERIZON at the "internet by cellphone" Yahoo group.

If you have a phone that can do "Get It Now", then you should be able to use a data cable with it and go on the net for minutes used, which is free after nine and weekends for most plans.

Jim


Posted By: Ipanema on 03/14/05 12:22pm

Following up on my earlier post, I have rechecked using my Sprint PCS Vision cell phone as a modem to my laptop and it still works just fine. Not the speed of cable's broadband, but nevertheless, it works at no additional charges.


Posted By: n7nwl on 03/16/05 07:05pm

Sounds like you may just have thr info I am looking for. I've had SprintPCS for many years, and recall that several years ago they did offer Internet access from your cellphone, but never had a need for it. Now, however, I do have an occasional need, and the phone that should work for it. Can you give me any info on the software I will need for the computer ? I have an LG325 phone and can connect it to the computer via either a USB port or BlueTooth. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give. Brad


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Posted By: Photog101 on 03/19/05 08:04pm

I have an LG vx6100 phone with the office suite and USB cable. I have an older 300 MHZ laptop using WIN98 SE operating system.

No mattter what I do, I can not get the computer and the phone to communicate with each other.

I have been told that I have to upgrade to Win XP PRO to get the two to function together.

I have spent hours on the phone with VzW and I have also taken in the computer and phone to the local VzW sercive center, with no luck in getting the problem taken care of.

I have even had the help of a fellow forum member, that almost got it done, but still can not get the two to communicate.

Is there anyone that are using WIN98 SE with an LG vx6100 phone?

I am still confused with this wireless process.
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Posted By: MrWizard on 03/20/05 12:51am

I came on here to post a link

how to use your CDMA phone as a modemhttp://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000930027824

does the computer give you a error message ?

what have you done so far ?

does the phone show as a modem ? under modems in the control panel ?


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/20/05 01:05am

Bcam

I have the LG4500 and the wife the LG3200

I use both of them to connect to the internet

buy the MOK from verizon for the 4500

it comes with the cable and the software

and it works like a charm

you will have 2 access options from the quicklink vzw dialer

QNC at 14.4K or 1xRtt at 230K burst avg speed around 60k for most people

it comes off you plan minutes as long as you 'nation enhanced services' on your account in my case NA-mou 'minutes of use' is $5 per month

check your billing receipts for NA being included

if it's not there call up verzion customer service and add it before you install the MOK swoftware and use it

MOK= mobile office kit

mou = minutes of use

NA = national enhanced services ( wireless web / GIN ) used to be called National acess


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/20/05 01:07am

Bcam

I have the LG4500 and the wife the LG3200

I use both of them to connect to the internet

buy the MOK from verizon for the 4500

it comes with the cable and the software

and it works like a charm

you will have 2 access options from the quicklink vzw dialer

QNC at 14.4K or 1xRtt at 230K burst avg speed around 60k for most people

it comes off you plan minutes as long as you 'nation enhanced services' on your account in my case NA-mou 'minutes of use' is $5 per month

check your billing receipts for NA being included

if it's not there call up verzion customer service and add it before you install the MOK swoftware and use it

MOK= mobile office kit

mou = minutes of use

NA = national enhanced services ( wireless web / GIN ) used to be called National acess


Posted By: Photog101 on 03/20/05 12:01pm

Quote:

does the computer give you a error message ?

what have you done so far ?

does the phone show as a modem ? under modems in the control panel ?


There are no error messages. I have done all that you and I talked about last month. The phone shows up as a modem and it shows up in the control panel.

With WIN 98 SE, I just can not get the two devices to talk to each other.

I had to recently remove the VzW software to get some WiFi software to work without a conflict. This is why some other people think that I have to upgrade to WIN XP (preferably PRO edition).

Wizard, what OS are you using with your LG phone?
"Doc"


Posted By: Crabbypatty on 03/20/05 01:36pm

Photog1,
Had the same problem, went through everything down at Verizon store and the techs couldnt get it to work. Bought a new laptop and it works perfectly. Thats what you should consider doing. Also the newer laptops, most anyway, have built in wireless so you can get WiFi at the CG's that offer it. WiFi surfs the web faster than the cell phone, but the cell phone works pretty good as well.

Good Luck


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/21/05 12:06am

here is the info i normaly givet out.. with a problem like yours

but your 6100 may be EVDO capable

if you find your self connecting at cable modem speeds

400k up

you may want to

use the alternat QNC network, which is painfully slow But is free

verizon says NO tethering ( phone to computer via cable , blue tooth, etc ) ON the EVDO network with out a data plan and will charge big time overcharges or this..

here is the setup info HOW to

Phone(s):
1: LG vx4500
2: LG vx3200
3: QCP Slimlin 860 .. Retired

Provider(s):
verizon wireless
on the phone

navigate to menu- settings - 1xrtt data- port - port speed

set port speed to 230,400

if it is not already there

now select port type "rsc232'

this is also , likely to be already set

now plug the phone into the computer

goto dialup networking

create new connection

choose modem

find your phone under modems

for modem properties uncheck "wait for dial tone"

verzion is your ISP

phone number is #777

ID is your complete 10 digit number at vzw3g,com

111555xxxx@vzw3g.com

PW = vzw

you will be using your minutes if you are NOT on EVDO broadband network

if your phone shows 1xRtt in the phone window you are OK

if it shows EVDO.. better disconnect quick and switch to the QNC network



to use QNC

change ID to QNC

and PW to QNC


Posted By: Crystaltoo on 03/22/05 07:55am

Does this advice for Internet access and cell phones work for PC's as well as laptops?

We have CellularOne phones. Does anyone connect with this company?

I used to have Verizon, but the billing was so atrocious I vowed never to do business with that company again. Once I made a change to my plan, the bill was never correct. Does anyone have better luck?


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Posted By: Gypsy1 on 03/24/05 08:57pm

Bill in Florida
You are absolutley right in your anlysis, Cingular does charge by the kb. I have a Sony-Errisson CG-83 data card signed on with Cingular. It costs me $79.00 + plus tax per month for unlimited service. I use it at home and on the road. The coverage is great, the speed is super for downloading, and browsing. The down side is that secure sites (https) sites are terribly slow. Not completely useless, but close. For thoses of us that whant to be able to access our bank accounts and pay bills on the road, wi-fi is the better solution. I havent tried it yet but the card I have is supposed to do wi-fi also. Anybody got any info on that?

All in all the card is a lot faster than the previous generations of cellphones for laptop hookup. I'll stay with mine until they come up we something better. (might be next week!)


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Posted By: BCam on 03/25/05 10:04am

Mr. Wizard-

Thanks for your detailed explanations. I'm pretty computer literate, but the cell phone terminology is new to me. Up until your postings, I was very frustrated since I've had difficulty cross-referencing much of the terminology that has been used on this thread with that on Verizon's website. Your postings have decyphered a lot of it.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 03/30/05 12:59am

your welcome

we are all here to help each other


Posted By: DAFord on 04/02/05 07:16pm

We live in Texas, and use EV1 as our ISP. We will be traveling to Port Angeles, WA. this summer and are considering just trying our cellphone. Anyone from TX. out there who uses EV1 and can offer advice here?
Thanks,
Annette
daford@ev1.net


Posted By: Papaw on 04/04/05 09:49pm

Lots of RVers are using their cell through the "back door" to connect to the web at regular phone rates. Sprint users are buying a vision phone (tri-mode) such as the Sanyo MM-8300 , MM-7400 etc. that has data transfer capabilities with a USB port to connect to their laptops and purchase the vision option for $15.00/mo. and have unlimited internet access 24/7 without using any of their min. of their plan at nearly DSL speeds. Sprint tells you you are not to do this and they are monitoring this and can cancel your contract if you use too much internet time in this configuration but I have not heard anyone getting in trouble doing this for the past several years and it works very slick. Instead of sending vision pictures, you are sending internet data.

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Posted By: Papaw on 04/04/05 10:07pm

This is a link that is very easy to follow in order to connect your Sprint cell to gain access to the internet (back door).

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000930027824


Posted By: optech on 04/06/05 05:31pm

This is an excellant resource for connecting different bands of
cell phones to laptops, pda, etc.

http://www.howardforums.com/


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Posted By: lwmuddy on 04/06/05 09:08pm

We are next to the ocean in Florence Oregon and the Verizon signals are weak here. Cellphone had 1 bar and weak. Today I completed my collection of cellphone and Internet connection equipment. This equipment connects my laptop and my wifes computer to the Internet plus increases the range of our Cellphone. As long as the phone says 1XRTT. Analog is no good. 1- A Wilson Truckers [$45.95] antenna on a long 3/4 inch PVC pipe pole sticking up the side of the RV above the roof top. Alternativewireless.com or a truck stop. 2-Wilson Dual Band Amplifier [for cellphones and Computers]. AlternativeWireless,com $254.95 Plugs into the cigarette lighter plug. 3-Verizon #5220 PCMCIA Air Card in Laptop. $100 [$79.95 per month. UNLIMITED 24/7 A little slow sometimes, but not bad. 4-Adaptor cord from #5220 Card to Amplifier. Alternative Wireless.com #AA359917 $14.95 5- Adaptor cord from LG 6100 cellphone to the amplifier. Alternativewireless.com $14.95 Now has FULL BARS. The only drawback now is that I have to switch the antenna cord from the PC to the Cellphone. This I will cure next with a switch. My PC connection speed with the 5220 Card runs from 3KB/s to 15KB/s. Depends on how busy the Lines are. I use OPERA 7 brouser, because it is much faster then Internet Exploder-6. Works for me.

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Posted By: Photog101 on 04/06/05 10:48pm

lwmuddy wrote:

Today I completed my collection of cellphone and Internet connection equipment.
This equipment connects my laptop and my wifes computer to the Internet plus increases the range of our Cellphone.

As long as the phone says 1XRTT. Analog is no good.
...
5- Adaptor cord from LG 6100 cellphone to the amplifier.
Alternativewireless.com $14.95 Now has FULL BARS.


What operating system are you using on your computer?
"Doc"


Posted By: lwmuddy on 04/07/05 08:21am

To photog101:
Widows XP Home on my Laptop and my wifes HP Pavilian Tower.
We tried once using the cellphone for the internet when we first started fulltiming and the salesman sold me "The works" that cost me $589.00 the first month. WATCH THOSE SALES PEOPLE". tHEY ONLY KNOW WHAT ARE TOLD, with little or no "field experience".

Today,if it ever stops raining, I'm going to start setting up my Direcway Dustyfoot Satellite System for the internet connection and maybe later Vonage for telephone by satellite.


Posted By: Photog101 on 04/07/05 03:07pm

lwmuddy:
Thanks for the info. I guess that I will have to bite the bullet and upgrade to Win XP. Right now I am using Win98SE and it will not see my VX6100 on the USB port.

I really hate to have to go through all of this, as I completely upgraded and rebuilt my laptop last year, getting it ready for the coach. Being that this is a 1996 model, I can no longer get an upgraded BIOS and might have to really bite hard and spring for a whole new laptop, which will already be loaded with Win XP.

OUCH!!!
"Doc"


Posted By: lwmuddy on 04/07/05 03:59pm

Photog101: I always had one problem or another with Windows 95/98/ME, but XP has been great. Have never had a Blue screen of Death with XP either. XP is, as some say, a menory hog. It was designed for more graphics. Something like MAC is. I have 512MB of Memory, but I can go to 1 GB. The more memory the smoother it runs. I bought a Toshiba A75-s206 laptop last august, about $1100.00. It has XP home because I don't need all the fancy stuff that PRO has. We needed something small for the RV. If I get rich I'll buy a MAC for heavy graphics work. I just received my Direcway Satellite [Dustyfoot], but it is raining almost constantly here on the Oregon coast and I have to set it up. It's on a tripod. I'm now using my Laptop with my Verizon Card and it is just running smooth. It is hard to save money on these new technologies but it has worked out for me. Just research before you buy and keep to well known dealers if you buy on the internet. Check out "Newegg.com. Good reputation and good prices.

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Posted By: dicnic on 04/13/05 06:24pm

Regarding Sprint, they will first send a warning letter and then cut off your service if they find you using up large amounts of bandwidth via their network. They simply do not wish to support Internet access via their cell phones. Lots of folks do, but the ones that abuse it with lots of continous bandwidth usage get caught and dumped.

Check the Sprint Users Group to read some horror stories.


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Posted By: Rob&Teresa on 04/19/05 06:00pm

What about those of us who (good or bad) are using TDMA ? phones, i.e. Nextel? Any hints or suggestions there?


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Posted By: HiTech on 05/01/05 06:23pm

That Sprint group is really helpful. It convinced me that Sprint will NOT be a mechanism for me to access the Internet from my PC except perhaps VERY casually. I'll either stick to WiFi or get an aircard from one of the providers with an unlimited plan.

Thanks!

Jim


Posted By: Janke5 on 05/01/05 09:18pm

We use the Verizon and T Mobile aircards for all of our personal and work internet access.
Verizon (5220) is faster (almost as fast as Broadband) and T Mobile is cheaper. We haven't had any coverage problems with either service.


Posted By: wxtoad on 05/04/05 07:12pm

Pardon me if this has already been posted, but I didn't see it as I skimmed this thread. There's a very helpful Yahoo forum at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InternetByCellPhone/?yguid=29973248

In the Files section are some excellent tutorials for the major cell providers.

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Posted By: mrwebman on 05/05/05 07:40am

Ok, you cell phone gurus, I've read this entire thread and I can't find the answer to my question.

I have a nokia 6360 cell phone with the irda interface. I downloaded the software from nokia to manage contacts on the computer and send the contacts back and forth between the cell phone without a cable. That works well.

What I want to do though, is use the cell phone while on the road to dial my ISP (road runner's dial-up number) to connect to the internet. Road Runner gives me 10 hours per month of dial-up service which is more than enough for me. And, I have plenty of minutes on my cell phone (Suncom).

Question is, how do I make Windows XP see the cell phone (through the irda port) as a modem?

The speed is no problem to me as all I'll be doing is checking my e-mail via webmail interface.

Thanks,
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Posted By: Just Lee on 05/10/05 09:18pm

I have never used my cell phone to hook up to the INTERNET. But I want to... I have Verizon and my phone is a Samsung A650.. I found this cable on Ebay. Is this the one I need to get started?Click Here Also what else do I need to get hooked up? Do I need to call Verizon? Do I need some software? I use Outlook with Windows XP on my laptop.. Any help would be greatly appreciated...


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Posted By: Marinermark on 05/12/05 07:57pm

I have Cingular's $3.99/mo data plan, with Motorola V180 and V400 phones. Got Susteen Data Pilot USB cables (1 for each phone) and software from Susteen.com. I have a Toshiba laptop, XP Home. Just got it going. Works OK through Compuserve, my ISP. Susteen's tech people talked me through setup. I'm using it just to test, until I see how much it's going to cost.


Posted By: lifter on 05/20/05 09:45am

I have Sprint PCS and an Apple computer. As long as you have the "data package" that the cell phone companies sell, the Apple system OS X has the capability to run the cell phone like a modem. It works great for me. I have email and internet service all over the country. The cable to hook the computer to the phone is only a couple of bucks. I got one at Radio Shack.


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Posted By: Tsalagi on 05/20/05 12:34pm

Marinermark wrote:

I have Cingular's $3.99/mo data plan, with Motorola V180 and V400 phones. Got Susteen Data Pilot USB cables (1 for each phone) and software from Susteen.com. I have a Toshiba laptop, XP Home. Just got it going. Works OK through Compuserve, my ISP. Susteen's tech people talked me through setup. I'm using it just to test, until I see how much it's going to cost.


It's gonna cost a whole lot !!!

If you're using GPRS at 2 cents per page, this page alone at approx 50k just cost you a dollar to load one time (and there really aren't even any graphics on this page). I suppose if your using CSD you are only using minutes, but you may want to verify your phone setup to be sure.

If you're gonna use your computer you almost have to go to the unlimited plan. Otherwise it will cost you a small fortune. I've heard horror stories with people getting bills in excess of 2000 dollars.

Be careful...


Posted By: Bustopher on 05/21/05 05:39pm

mrwebman wrote:

Ok, you cell phone gurus, I've read this entire thread and I can't find the answer to my question.

I have a nokia 6360 cell phone with the irda interface. I downloaded the software from nokia to manage contacts on the computer and send the contacts back and forth between the cell phone without a cable. That works well.

What I want to do though, is use the cell phone while on the road to dial my ISP (road runner's dial-up number) to connect to the internet. Road Runner gives me 10 hours per month of dial-up service which is more than enough for me. And, I have plenty of minutes on my cell phone (Suncom).

Question is, how do I make Windows XP see the cell phone (through the irda port) as a modem?

The speed is no problem to me as all I'll be doing is checking my e-mail via webmail interface.

Thanks,
Dennis


Dennis,
Did you ever get and answer to this?
I use a Nokia 3650 regularly in the TT (slight exageration--I'm a newbie) to hook up IR with a Toshiba series A25. The connectivity package that Nokia supplies has modem features for IR and Bluetooth. Once the pkg is installed, you are given a choice /connect to/ on the start menu. When you select the Nokia modem you get a screen where you enter dialup number.

My carrier sells unlimited access for $20/mo and has a 4 digit access code. Have not yet tried my RR dialup program.


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Posted By: pmaley on 05/21/05 06:11pm

My husband and I are planning a cross country trip from Massachusetts to Texas, up the coast of Calif, and on to Alaska this coming January. We currently have Cingular cell phones and our contract is up in July--we want to purchase the cell phone and internet provider that will give us the best coverage nationwide. Can anyone give us advice--the nationwide maps look like Verizon has better coverage but I hate losing our rollover minutes and free after 7PM. Thanks Pat


Posted By: bearsnob on 05/22/05 02:06am

From what I've been able to figure out, Verizon is clearly the winner when it comes to coverage. I'm frustrated because they don't offer service in my area. The best alternative I have is U.S. Cellular which shares towers with Verizon. But they don't seem to have any way to use your phone for dial up interent connections like verizon does and I would really like to have that option.


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Posted By: Tsalagi on 05/22/05 05:30am

Be careful of the fine print -- Verizon has a very good voice network and the data specs are definatly better/faster than the others. But, the data services are normally only available if you're on their system. Just because they have voice coverage in a particular area doesn't mean they have data. They have agreements with several other providers for their voice service, but don't necessarily share data with those same partners.


Posted By: Manning on 05/23/05 01:16am

This is such a great thread with lots of valuable information. I too want to make a contribution here because I have the “Future Dial” software, which you load onto your laptop; it has two programs; SnapDialer; which is for wireless internet connections, and SnapSync; which is a phone book and contact editor for mobile phones. But, and this is very important, the software only works with certain cell phones. They have a bunch of models listed on the side of the box; various models from Sprint PCS, Verizon Wireless, AT&T, T-Mobile, etc. You must also purchase a USB cable separately with the software. I got both my software and cable from Radio Shack for about $100.00. If your cell phone is not listed on the side of the software box this will not work for you, so first read the box and Radio Shack staff were also very good in helping me. I had a Sprint LG 1200, which did not work with this software, so I purchased a Sanyo 4900 which does work, and it had a rebate attached to the phone purchase. Further, my cell phone service is through Liberty Wireless, 1000 anytime minutes monthly for $50.00; no roaming or long distance charges. Liberty Wireless is on the Sprint PCS system, but they are a separate company. I have Windows XP Home Edition on my laptop and have had no problems with this setup; nor have I been contacted by Liberty Wireless or Sprint about using my cell phone to access the internet.


Posted By: campinladies on 05/23/05 07:31am

I have never heard of Liberty Wireless. Is it part of the SprintPCS system in just certain areas of the country? When you say no roaming or long distance charges, have you tried touse it outside the Sprint or Liberty wireless areas? I know some companies say no roaming, but they mean if you are within their wireless areas or you will receive no reception? Just curious about Liberty Wireless....can you tell us more?


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Posted By: Manning on 05/24/05 11:14am

Liberty Wireless has a website: www.libertywireless.com

I think that they are a subcontractor of Sprint and through them you have access to the entire sprint network; which is nationwide coverage. Just like you can get inexpensive land line coverage from companies that use SBC or AT&T equipment, you can also get inexpensive coverage from cell phone companies who use other cell phone companies’ networks. It's more flexible because, for instance, Liberty Wireless did not setup the Sprint network but through FCC laws they have access to it.

Many cell phone companies consider roaming to be anything outside of your calling area, but as Sprint has a national network, and Liberty Wireless uses that Sprint network; roaming is a mute point. I like it because they have very simple up front plans that you can change anytime that you want.


Posted By: c.heifner on 05/27/05 09:19pm

Why am I still confused after reading all these great posts? I read DanaMc's original posts & thought I understood it all clearly. So off to the Verizon store I go armed with my printouts from this thread. I asked if all I needed was a phone with 1X capabilities and an aircard to access the internet on the road at a decent speed?

I was told yes & no.The Mgr who I talked to there said most of the phones are 1X already so he didn't understand what the big deal was about that. And b/c National Enhanced coverage is only available in about 1/2 the country he said I would have to supplement my coverage using my cell phone. He could not tell me what the dial up speed would be using the cell as he said it would depend on the tower strength in that area but in the National Enhanced areas it would be 60kb-80kb. I guess you would have the aircard for that. Does the Aircard just cover usage in the National Enhanced areas?

I was under the impression from reading this thread that a phone with 1x would allow me speeds of 60kb or more basically anywhere.

I would like for a current Verizon user to explain to me in simple terms exactly what I will need to get the best & fastest internet coverage while traveling.

I need to upgrade my phone anyway so I want to make sure & get the right one. I am willing to pay whatever to get good service (except Satellite) as we depend on the internet for many things. The Verizon Mgr. was nice but not really certain about some of my questions or maybe I didn't explain it right.
Thanks


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Posted By: ExecRoadRunner on 05/27/05 09:27pm

Thanks DanaMc for your origianl post. Very helpful - got me where I needed to be. I'm not very technical and your post was a wealth of information. I enjoyed reading everyones input also. I've been reading this forum for over two years, but this is the first time I've felt the need to reply (although they have been a valuable resource of information). The links saved valuable time and searches. I purchased the FutureDial software, installed and was online with no problems. Thanks again.


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Posted By: FLMOHOMER on 05/30/05 02:37pm

Well I have read the entire thread and I am more confused than ever.

I have ATT/CINGULAR service and a Motorola V-180 cell phone and AOL internet service. I ordered a USB cable and software from Motorola called Mobile Phone Tools in order to connect to the internet.
Got it to work. Problem was that I got the first bill for $459 for Data service. I had previously contacted Cingular about the charges and they had assured me that they were false charges, however they checked after I received the bill and then they said that the charges were ligitimate. They are going to give me credit for them since they hadled me to believe that there would not be charges using the system that I have.
They stated that in the future if I want to use my cell phone for connection, I should pruchase the $24.99 data plan that they have. My question is can I use that plan and drop AOL who is my service provider? I asked the customer service rep that and she was not very clear on the answer.

Thanks for any help that you can provide

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Posted By: Southal on 06/01/05 11:44am

I too have been researching the internet by cell phone topic. Problem is I have Cingular wireless and it just rubs me raw that I will have to pay them another $25.00 a month for data service. Not to mention upgrade my cellphone (currently using 6340i). I already pay them $99.00 a month for unlimted nation wide calling not to mention my ISP is Bellsouth (aka Cingular)who I pay $15.00 a month for dial up, and $60.00 a month for home phone. These blood sucking leaches just dont give up do they? Just venting a litle bit here, sorry.
Anyway if I do give in to thier demands I will prolly get a bluetooth enabled phone since I have a bluetooth dongle on my Dell Inspiron laptop which is using Windows XP. Can any one offer some advice
(which would be the best phone, ect...)to help make this an easy experiance and as painless as possable? Also has anyone found a way to use your regular Cingular minutes to connect to the internet via cellphone? What can I say I'm cheap! Thanks for the help.


Posted By: Okie Traveler on 06/01/05 09:27pm

I have Cingular and all I did was get their data package for 3.99 a month. Then all I do is connect to my Internet provider using my Cell Phone and use my minutes. If I call after 8 PM I don't even have to use my minutes.


Posted By: FloraBama on 06/02/05 07:26pm

I got the T-Mobile Sony-Erikson card yesterday and it is slick. No problem installing; in total it took about 5 minutes. The speed is about 56K, don't know for sure because I can't figure out how to check the speed. Good signals in Pensacola yesterday and solid in Orlando today.. and the price at $29.99/month for unlimited Internet fits my budget just fine.


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Posted By: c.heifner on 06/03/05 10:13am

I'm thinking maybe the easiest & best solution is just use Verizon's aircard as it seems to have the best coverage, my cell phone for the areas the aircard doesn't cover and my laptop with it's WiFi card when I can. $60 a month for the unlimited minutes(National Enhanced Service) aircard is okay with me. Can anybody tell me if I need to be knowledgable about the kind of phone I get or just let the Verizon rep guide me? I know I will need the Mobile Office too, right?

Also, can anybody tell me what kind of speed they get with the Verizon aircard vs. the cell phone? Do you still have to try & find a CG with WiFi/modem or are you okay just with this setup?

Once I get this internet access solved I will be so relieved as I have been so confused.

Thanks for any replies.

PS We hit the road for 9 months to a year on Aug. 6th. So excited!


Posted By: JoeChiOhki on 06/10/05 10:26am

Okay, I am not quite getting all what I need answered.

I current run an America's Choice Plan on my Verizon Wireless Phone.
To use it with my laptop, I need to use a "King of Clubs" PCMCIA card to connect it as a modem.

Now, in order to do this, I need to have access to data communication.

1.) Does America's Choice have this?
2.) Does it use regular Air-time minutes?
3.) What ISP would I use in this configuration?


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Posted By: brenthunt on 06/13/05 10:41pm

I just bought a VerizonWireless v620 PCMCIA card for $150.00 with a $100.00 mailin rebate. The monthly charge is $79.99. I also bought a EV-DO booster antenna that added two bars to the signal I was getting. Now I can use my laptop anywhere there is a Verizon signal.

I have been connecting at about 500 kps instead of the Quick2Net of 35 kps. It's more costly but so is a lot of other things we spend our money on.

I can surf now and the pages are loaded instantly. I just downloaded the Mozilla browser of 11.4 MB in less than five minutes.


Posted By: Cody47 on 06/18/05 05:41pm

I just bought a Kyocera 650 wireless card and the NAtional Access plan (59.99 - unlimited use). Works well when I have a good signal, but it seems to slow down dramatically as the signal degrades. There is an external antenna connection on the card, but I am having a tough time finding an adaptor. I would like to add both an antenna and an amplifier (to use with the aircard and my Motorolla phone).

Anyone doing something like this? How does it work?

Many thanks


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 06/22/05 01:45pm

c.heifner wrote:

I'm thinking maybe the easiest & best solution is just use Verizon's aircard as it seems to have the best coverage, my cell phone for the areas the aircard doesn't cover and my laptop with it's WiFi card when I can. $60 a month for the unlimited minutes(National Enhanced Service) aircard is okay with me. Can anybody tell me if I need to be knowledgable about the kind of phone I get or just let the Verizon rep guide me? I know I will need the Mobile Office too, right?

Also, can anybody tell me what kind of speed they get with the Verizon aircard vs. the cell phone? Do you still have to try & find a CG with WiFi/modem or are you okay just with this setup?

The Aircard doesn't get you anything you won't get with your cell phone, except in the 30 large cities that have EV-DO broadband access. For the rest of the country, we get NationalAccess service (144 kbps tops) almost all the time. Where that is not available, the 14.4 Quick 2 Net service is usually available.

Practically speaking, I get around 100-130 kbps on the NationalAccess network when downloading large files. Web surfing "feels" slower than a 56 kbps dialup line.

Before signing up for anything, join the InternetByCellPhone forum on Yahoo and read the Verizon tutorial in the Files section. All will be revealed.


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 06/22/05 01:47pm

brenthunt wrote:

I just bought a VerizonWireless v620 PCMCIA card for $150.00 with a $100.00 mailin rebate. The monthly charge is $79.99. I also bought a EV-DO booster antenna that added two bars to the signal I was getting. Now I can use my laptop anywhere there is a Verizon signal.

I have been connecting at about 500 kps instead of the Quick2Net of 35 kps. It's more costly but so is a lot of other things we spend our money on.

I can surf now and the pages are loaded instantly. I just downloaded the Mozilla browser of 11.4 MB in less than five minutes.

Don't forget, folks: EV-DO service is available in only 30 large cities, not "anywhere there is a Verizon signal".


Posted By: david stainback on 06/30/05 09:03pm

We got a T-mobile air card $99.00, best money I have ever spent for the computer.I surf the net any time, any place. Cruise/surf down the road.


Posted By: 1Maverick on 07/08/05 08:01am

I have not read all the posts thoroughly regarding internet access via cell phone so I apologize if this topic has been already covered.

Is there any benefit in getting an antennae booster (like Smooth Talker) to increase signal strength in dark or dead signal areas. Has anyone had any experience with other type antennae boosters for cell phones? Would this be helpful in eliminating dropped calls or eliminating disconnects when on the internet?

In theory it seems very useful ----your thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your input,

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Posted By: 04admiral on 07/10/05 07:45am

I am using Nextel. It costs $45.00 per month unlimited access and no minutes off my phone. It is slow but it does work anywhere that I can get phone reception. It allow me to view and send email and to surf the web. There is no software. You just call , in my case, Motorola and they set everything up. It runs about 60 bps.


Posted By: beekay on 07/11/05 07:34am

jflanagan wrote:

Great post.

For those that haven't tried this yet, keep in mind that you cannot recieve a phone call while your phone is being used as a modem.

Now that dedicated data cards are down to $49 to $149, it might be worth picking one up.

Also, at least verizon is slowly expanding their broadband access service (which their $149 cards are forward compatible with) and it offers 300kbps-2mbps speeds. They'll probably have phones soon that are compatible with it too. They might already. But I'd rather have a pcmcia card in my laptop for $149 than tie up my cell phone.

$80/month is a lot, but verizon (and probably other carriers) have started monitoring bandwidth and have the right to shut down your data connection if they figure out you're using the phone as a modem tethered to your PC to avoid paying the $79/mo.


There is a way to use the phone as a phone and a PC hookup. I used it when I had ATT. you do not use it as a modem, instead you use the edge (or your cell providers version of this)network. There is a configuration in the phone that you will set up to do this. it is a special number (4-5 digits i think) and it is set up by the modem configuration in your phone. I could be on a confrence call while getting email. very cool.

the choice between the wireless Card for your PC or the phone modem option is really how much you will be on the road. if you are a full timer, or on the road often, or like to surf the net, you will not want to use the phone modem option, it is slow and costly (unless you have an unlimited download plan, then it is just slow). If you are an occassional user, just need to suck email, or send your email from the road, the phone modem option is good, just set it up right.

As far as Bluetooth, I think some were concerned with the distance limitation. 30 feet is pretty good. we are not talking wi-fi here, just a link between your phone and your laptop. BT is one of the best kept secrets in technology. it has been around for many years and is only now starting to get the credit it deserves. car manufacturers are now making cars BT enabled,so you dont have to have that special phone or cable to make hands free work in your car. wireless headsets are getting cheaper and the batteries are better now than just 2 years ago. my jabra headset gets 5-8 hours of talk time out of it.

bk


Posted By: beekay on 07/12/05 01:42pm

also just found out that with cingular and the media.net package, modem based calling is not offered as it was with ATT and some of the other plans, PLUS they charge you .01 cents per kilobit (8 bits to a byte) and is TOTALLY separate from the minute plan. this sucks and is very disapointing to me as i changed from ATT and did not have this issue. just wanted to close the loop for those with Cingular (do your checking before dialing in!)
bk


Posted By: brenthunt on 07/12/05 02:28pm

VerizonWireless Broadband access using thier V620 air card for $79.99 a month and is separate from my cell phone is amazing. I get on at about 600 kbs up to 1200 kbps always here in San Diego. we're going to Lake Skinner, CA Thursday and I'll be interested at what speed, if any, I can connect.


Posted By: 04admiral on 07/12/05 07:08pm

Sounds good, but that is a fair amount of sheckles per month. Think I'll wait till it and fuel comes down a bunch in as much as I am spending more sheckles for home broadband, cable TV ....so on and so forth.


Posted By: Crabbypatty on 07/14/05 05:58am

I just purchased an antennae and power booster from alternativewireless.com and all I can say is I CAN HEAR YOU NOW!!!!! It is truelly amazing, living in an area with some hills and dead zone, where I have had total signal loss, I now have full bars. Yes it costs a few bucks, but I use the phone all day for business and when I travel to remote locations, this will cure the signal loss, when rving. For the TV I am using a maganetic mount this way I can switch cars with my beautiful wife, but for the TT, I mounted a Wilson Trucker up on the batwing. I needed the trucker as the roof is rubber and offered no ground plane. This way when I set up, crank up the batwing and full bars it is. Once less thing to be frustrated about when traveling.

Happy Trails.


Posted By: Marinermark on 07/17/05 10:05pm

I've been using the Susteen Data Pilot software and USB cable through Motorola V180 for 6 weeks with the Cingular 3.99/mo data plan. So far no additional charges for data services - just minutes used. With 5000 minutes after 9PM and on weekends that's no problem. I'm sending this from a campground near Albany, NH. It's not fast, but works OK most of the time. I'm going to change plans to travel in Canada for about a month. I hope that doesn't foul up my Internet access there or when I return to my present plan as I reenter U.S. mid - August.


Posted By: JAMAR on 07/19/05 12:34am

Great information. Many thanks.... I only wish I could understand it all.....


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Posted By: willienhannacamp on 07/20/05 01:08pm

I see a lot of mention of bluetooth connection. do you pay more than just to buy the cable? do you have to have a special plan with the ISP or the cell phone????


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Posted By: cvrvr on 08/06/05 11:53am

I have Verizon NationWide wireless service and a trimode phone. I purchased a $15 USB cable on EBay. The cable came with a driver disk. That is the only software needed. The cellphone acts as the modem.

Yesterday I tried my home landline on my laptop, got about 34Kbps. Then I hooked up my cellphone and called the same dialup number, got about 115Kbs. Sure is a lot slower than my DSL connection is but good enough when on the road.

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Posted By: justme on 08/08/05 06:39pm

Crabbypatty wrote:

Great Topic, I use verizonwireless mobile office kit and it works exactly as you describe. Ito also allows me to download email, but I cant seem to send it. Any thoughts? The settings appear the same as receive. You seem very knowledgable, so any tips would be apprecited.

Thanks
CP


you can down load a free email server that runs on your laptop and allows you to send email by setting your email program like Outlook for localhost or 127.0.0,1 in its smtp send settings. I use the Verizon national access and and the mail server on the laptop works great without logging into my ISP. However I have to turn off Venturis compression when sending email because it trips up the RCP negotiation on the receiving email server sometimes.


Posted By: Crabbypatty on 08/09/05 07:35am

Justme,
What and where do you download the email server to your laptop. I have been using webmail and I ghet 115,200 through my LG phone, which is what I wrtie this on in Drummerboy CG. There does not seem to be a wifi signal in the new section.

Thanks

John


Posted By: Rickit on 08/09/05 07:41am

Sprint charges an additional $10/mo for unlimited internet acccess from my old N400 Samsung phone. Along with snap dialer software, it's very easy to use and works well for me and $10/mo you can't really beat it.


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Posted By: justme on 08/09/05 11:12am

Crabbypatty wrote:

Justme,
What and where do you download the email server to your laptop. I have been using webmail and I ghet 115,200 through my LG phone, which is what I wrtie this on in Drummerboy CG. There does not seem to be a wifi signal in the new section.

Thanks

John


You can get a free email server at http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html

it is very basic but does the job. Remember to turn compression off in Ventrui. There are more sophisticated server out there but they cost between $30 and up.

I went with verizon National Access because it is the best for my needs and the WIFI boogy in the Campgrounds never really worked for me because I was always put to far away from their antenae and Verizion seems to be the best for remote areas away from the freeways and also has the best coverage in the USA.


Posted By: annaandgregg on 08/20/05 08:36am

My husband and I are ready to hit the road. THIS IS ALL NEW TO US! We have just purchased an IBm Thinkpad, and are trying to figure out the best way for us to connect to the internet. We do have a Verizon Cell phone...I called VErizon and they say that with my Motorola V60 Cell phone, the only service availabe to us is the $79.99 a month plan. I do not wish to dish out that much for occassional use of our laptop. I have been reading the posts, and I am totally confused. Can anyone help these NEWBIES? I don't know what to do! Thanks!!! (annasmtnmail@charter.net)


Posted By: B&H on 08/20/05 08:20pm

I'm not a techie so I just wanted something that worked as we took a 12000 mile trip this summer. I called a lot of companies including my own and they told me I needed a year or two year contract for a data plan. Then I walked into a cingular store that told me that since I had their service already I could add the data plan on month to month. I bought the dongle to connect my cellphone to my laptop, and the CMDA network worked great. Often 115 kbs which is not bad. Usally worked fine even in places where the voice signal was poor. THe other option cingular has is the more expensive really hi-speed EDGE network (with a $300 card)but it is not as extensive as the CMDA one and you would need the year or two contract to get the card! But the CMDA option was not only fine for email but even surfing the web!


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Posted By: EXCEL on 08/29/05 07:57pm

I purchased the Verizon Mobile Office Kit ($40)for my LG phone through Verizon with the understanding that it would work with my phone. Store clerk said if I used it after 9 PM and before 6 AM or on weekends when access was free, that I could save my regular minutes. I thought that was a pretty good deal & know of others who have that access on their phones. After coming home & trying to download the software & having a problem (I am not a newbie on the computer), I called Verizon. I was told that the only way I could get internet access through my phone with the Mobile Office Kit would be to buy an additional plan for approx. $45 to $50 additional per month. She said that Verizon was now charging by the kb's used and not by minutes used when accessing the web. I told her I knew Friends who were able to access the web through their Verizon phones & plans (minutes) and she said that was going to stop in the very near future as Verizon is providing cell phone service & not web service. So if you want to access the web...Verizon will offer you that service but only through a different plan (obviously more expensive). As I only want web access when I'm on the road and I'm not traveling constantly....I simply took the Mobile Office Kit back and got a refund of my $40.00. I think it's a big scam & am very frustrated...but as Verizon has the best coverage & as I'm in a contract anyway...and as I can't afford another $45 to $50 per mo. added to my present cell phone bill...I have no options....


Posted By: Beacher on 09/23/05 10:40am

Another option is INFRARED. If your Cell Phone and Notebook computer have IRDA compatible infrared, your cell phone can probably be used as a modem.

It's also handy for transfering address, telephone, and pictures to the notebook, and an infrared capable PDA.

My SONY Ericsson phone and my IBM Thinkpad talk nicely. I used my phone as an internet modem, and also for sending and recieving detailed text messages "typed" on the PDA.


Posted By: justme on 09/26/05 08:19pm

Crabbypatty wrote:

Great Topic, I use verizonwireless mobile office kit and it works exactly as you describe. Ito also allows me to download email, but I cant seem to send it. Any thoughts? The settings appear the same as receive. You seem very knowledgable, so any tips would be apprecited.

Thanks
CP


You can get a free SMTP server installed on your laptop. go to this link and down load it and install it the configure your email accordingly. http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html


Posted By: Nedra on 09/28/05 10:16am

You can get the EDGE technology from T-Mobile, Verizon or Cingular and you don't have to buy their pc card. You can buy a sony ericsson GC83 with EDGE technology on Ebay. You just have to search for one that says UNLOCKED. We just got ours and signed up with T-Mobile. Their plan is only $29.95 and you get unlimited minutes. They also just got EDGE technology. You will get the faster service in areas where they have the EDGE already up and running, where it's not it will be comparable to dial up.

T-mobile does not currently sell a pc card that has EDGE technology so you have to buy it elsewhere. The sales people in their stores can set your pc card up with a SIM card and your good to go. Just make sure that if you order on ebay that it says it's UNLOCKED. We bought it from sunsunsun and got it yesterday. Last night we were surfing the net at faster speed than our desk top which is still on dial up. Seems to work great so far.


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Posted By: mekkerfest on 11/02/05 07:19pm

I have been using a Verizon cell phone connected to the RS232 of my laptop since 2001.
At that time it cost me $25 to buy the cable and software from Verizon. I can do everything on the internet in my motorhome as in my home. Except, at home I have Roadrunner cable which is much faster than the 14.4 KBPS of my cell phone connection. I do not pay anything extra for the laptop connection. And the slow data rate teaches you patience. I only use the cell phone connection after 9 PM and on weekends, when the minutes are free. I up load all of my pictures to my WebSite, mekkerfest.com, using this connection, along with e-mail, bill paying, and monitoring the stock market. But I am sure that by now there are much faster and better connections to the Web.
I am happy with what I have so I do not plan on looking into something faster. I still use Office 97! Why change?


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Posted By: Gritz on 11/07/05 10:20pm

AnnaandGreg,
I too have the Motorola V60 and tried getting help from the local Verizon stores , but to no avail. Most were confused or gave me the wrong information. Frustrated I contacted Verizon Support through Verizon's Internet online access and they came back with a step by step walk-through on how to setup. We have 2 Verizons cell phones, and on the "IN" plan, for $65.00 a month total. I bit the bullet and bought the Mobile Office Kit I think it's called, hoping that it "should" work. You get a data cable and the software for your V60 cell phone. It was a piece of cake setting it up this way. My first opportunity to try it was in Sun Valley about 3 weeks ago. It worked flawless .... and from that location anyway, was very (VERY) fast using the National Access Plan. The Q2N was slower ... and the business plan is $80 a month, and I'm not about to pay for using that. I don't think they're advertising it much, not wanting to overload and slow down the system ... but that's just my theory. Anyway ... I'm very satisfied that it will work any time I have a cell signal.. and give me all the Internet connection I'll ever need. Good Luck with yours.

Gritz


Posted By: RicB on 11/09/05 07:17pm

Gritz wrote:

AnnaandGreg,
I too have the Motorola V60 and tried getting help from the local Verizon stores , but to no avail. Most were confused or gave me the wrong information. Frustrated I contacted Verizon Support through Verizon's Internet online access and they came back with a step by step walk-through on how to setup. We have 2 Verizons cell phones, and on the "IN" plan, for $65.00 a month total. I bit the bullet and bought the Mobile Office Kit I think it's called, hoping that it "should" work. You get a data cable and the software for your V60 cell phone. It was a piece of cake setting it up this way. My first opportunity to try it was in Sun Valley about 3 weeks ago. It worked flawless .... and from that location anyway, was very (VERY) fast using the National Access Plan. The Q2N was slower ... and the business plan is $80 a month, and I'm not about to pay for using that. I don't think they're advertising it much, not wanting to overload and slow down the system ... but that's just my theory. Anyway ... I'm very satisfied that it will work any time I have a cell signal.. and give me all the Internet connection I'll ever need. Good Luck with yours.

Gritz

I did what Gritz did. Started using it about 2 months. I switched from Nextel. The mobile ofc. works great for me. I bought it off ebay for $20.


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Posted By: Rickit on 11/09/05 07:27pm

Sprint allows you to use the "snap dialer" set up as well and they charge by the kb...not cheap..I bought their "Connection Card" and pay $60/mo for unlimited access..it works great all over and there are no cables. The speed is faster than a dial up and just a tad slower than dsl..I love it.


Posted By: mekkerfest on 11/12/05 05:39pm

I have been using a Verizon cell phone connected to the RS232 of my laptop since 2001.
At that time it cost me $25 to buy the cable and software (which also compress the data) from Verizon. When connected to a digital tower, I can do everything on the internet in my motorhome as in my home. Except, at home I have Roadrunner cable which is much faster than the 14.4 KBPS of my cell phone connection. I do not pay anything extra for the laptop connection.
I have a very basic service (300 minutes prime time, 1500 minutes after 9 and weekends) which may not be available anymore. Using this connection I do not have to worry about telephone numbers. Before roadrunner, I was connected to MSN as a provider and that also worked great.
The slow data rate teaches you patience. I up load all my pictures to my WebSite, mekkerfest.com, using this connection, along with e-mail, bill paying, and monitoring the stock market. But I am sure that by now there are much faster and better connections to the Web using the USB.
I am happy with what I have ($35 per month for the cell phone and the data interface) so I do not plan on looking into something faster. I still use Office 97! Why change?


Posted By: FrankenSue on 11/16/05 01:50am

NASAGuy: I found exactly the same situation as you did with Cingular. I also have Cingular Nation as I found it has the most extensive coverage in my travel areas.

I have become quite discouraged with the cell phone internet connection scenario as the providers do not seem to be able to consistently answer questions nor do they provide accurate coverage information. Cingular informed me that service will only be available in metro coverage areas (IF they permit it and don't re-priortize usage; they apparently reserve the right to make it unavailable without notice or apology)and the only plan that controls cost is $80/month on a yearly subscription basis to avoid the horrific per kb charges.

Since the price is high and there is no certainty of availability in non-metro areas (Geez, I can catch free wifi in metro areas!) I am unhappily not wired on the road. My husband and I go through the motions at least yearly of rechecking all the providers to see if anyone has a flexible, affordable internet plan with reasonable coverage. We keep hoping...


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Posted By: wesdevoe on 11/19/05 07:05am

I use a Cingular PC Air Card to connect to internet - Cost me $79 a month for unlimited data upload / download with no roaming charges. Cinguar has very extensive coverage. I use Microsoft Office-Outlook for my email program -- Very seldom have problems receiving emails- Sending is somewhat sporadic - The Cingular mail server (www.cwmx.com) is designed for Text messaging and sometime large files will not transmit. However once you are connected to the internet WEBMAIL works great. I have a Road Runner High speed connection in my home and can access and send via the RR Webmail address www.webmail.nycap.rr.com when I am in RV.


Posted By: rebelsbeach on 11/19/05 02:58pm

Nascarcruzin wrote:

I use the Verizon's air card. It, so far, has been really great!

Rebecca


Me too!!


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Posted By: janedennis on 11/19/05 06:21pm

For those of you who are thinking about bluetooth, be careful, my bluetooth connected to t-mobile worked fine and then it quit. Tryed another bluetooth donagle usb and then it didn't work. So I changed to a tethered laptop and now it works great with less hassles hooking up.


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Posted By: wesdevoe on 11/20/05 04:01pm

rebelsbeach wrote:

Nascarcruzin wrote:

I use the Verizon's air card. It, so far, has been really great!

Rebecca


Me too!!


What is the Verizon server name that is used to send email?

Is it an SMTP server??


Posted By: RVTRAVELERS1997 on 11/23/05 08:51pm

hey there, we used the connectivy kit with alltel and it worked great for rhe last two years, when we bought this new computer we went with bluetooth and altel sells a 80211g that sends and receives at around200-500kbps.if you are in a anilog area and /or the broodband won't work in a bad signal area there is a standard dial-up 14.4kbps that helps cover the dead zones. don't know if you have seen this or noy we have had this and so far its great. we have unlimited service,nationwide service,no roming and no long distance for $70. a month and no minites. 24/7. great when im using gps in the streets and trips!


Posted By: Ms.Vagabond on 11/25/05 01:53pm

I will be full time on the road in March 2006!! Yeh! BUT, I am at a loss for what I need concerning phone/internet hookups. While reading all these posts, I am even more confused. I am computer literate, still working as ex.sec., but what is WiFy? What is "tethered" laptop? I will be looking into purchasing a laptop soon. Also want national service,no roaming cell phone. I will be using internet mostly for e-mail. I don't think I need unlimited hours as I do now with my DSL. Can someone make this a bit easier for me? Thanks in advance!!!


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 11/25/05 02:55pm

wesdevoe wrote:

What is the Verizon server name that is used to send email?

Is it an SMTP server??

The Verizon Wireless SMTP server is smtp.vzwmail.net, but you need to set up your account to access it. Go to www.vtext.com and click the "Join Up" button.

It's free.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/25/05 10:23pm

Soon to Retire wrote:

I will be full time on the road in March 2006!! Yeh! BUT, I am at a loss for what I need concerning phone/internet hookups. While reading all these posts, I am even more confused. I am computer literate, still working as ex.sec., but what is WiFy? What is "tethered" laptop? I will be looking into purchasing a laptop soon. Also want national service,no roaming cell phone. I will be using internet mostly for e-mail. I don't think I need unlimited hours as I do now with my DSL. Can someone make this a bit easier for me? Thanks in advance!!!


Wi-FI

means 'wireless fidelity'

it is short range, radio freq ( wireless ) networking

most new laptops come with it built-in, or you can buy a USB wifi unit that plugs into the USB port, or a wifi 'card' that slips into the pciami slot on the side of the laptop

it allows a PC to link to a network-hub and connect to other compiters or the internet without a 'network cable'

wifi at work or the coffee shop , means you can take your 'notebook pc' ( work ) to another office or to the coffee shop and still be connected

wifi was designed to replace/augment wired-networks so people could move around and NOT be bound by the restrains of cable

range typically about 80ft but can be extended somewhat.

at home or the RV park or coffee shop extened wifi means you can sit on the patio and still read your email or surf the web

at the coffee shop or RV park you MAY have to pay for the priviledge of connecting to the wireless 'hotspot'

tethered

means there is a cable connecting the cellphone to the laptop and the cellphone is the 'modem' connecting you to the ISP ( internet service provider ) most cell companies provide the ISP connection for their subscripers ( it's that service and time you pay for {$70} )


Posted By: cwolfs69 on 11/26/05 02:10am

GOT MINE FROM COMP USA FOR $50.00. INCLUDES THE SOFTWARE AND THE CABLE REQUIRED. THE SOFTWARE WILL WORK WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF PHONES. JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE KIT WITH THE CORRECT CABLE. WORKS GREAT AFTER AN EASY SET UP. JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENABLE THE COMMUNICATIONS FUNCTION ON THE PHONE PRIOR TO LOGGING ON TO THE NET.


Posted By: echo2uuc on 11/26/05 09:49pm

I have sprint and have been using it with my laptop for a long time, well not lately, but I was wondering what can be done if you are in an area that loses a connection like in hills or trees? I'm new with the rv stuff so excuse me if this has been mentioned.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/28/05 10:54pm

echo2uuc wrote:

I have sprint and have been using it with my laptop for a long time, well not lately, but I was wondering what can be done if you are in an area that loses a connection like in hills or trees? I'm new with the rv stuff so excuse me if this has been mentioned.


there are external antennas available for cellphones & or aircards

that mount outside the vehicle and connect by cable to a jack behind a rubber plug on the phone.. typicaly $49 - $99

also cellphone amplifier that goes in between the antenna and the phone

output is about 3 watts..which is much more power than the cellphone

I think cellphone wattage is about 1/6 of that amount, around 500 milliwatts ( not positive on that number )

lots of truckers have them .. and RVer's are getting them too

wilson is one of the better known brands


Posted By: camper_ron on 12/13/05 11:45am

My wife and I are planning on traveling for the entire summer. I am trying to figure out how I can use my cell phone and laptop to connect to the Internet. I have read a lot of information regarding this possibilities, the more I read the more confused I get with conflicting information I have read, so let me see if I can simplify it for myself being on the simple side.

1. is my Samsung PM – A840 cell-phone compatible
2. do I need to add to my Sprint Fair & Flexible plan
3. do I need an internet provider
4. I am having a problem finding a USB Data cable that states I can connect to the Internet I only found one and it only talks about picture and data.

I would love to get hooked up and avoid any high costs seeing we will not be needing the service 100 % of the time, also do not really need a high speed connection. Any specific help would be very much appreciated.

Ron Tremblay, camper_ron@yahoo.com






Posted By: gadgetat on 12/15/05 03:48pm

Ron,

I'm not sure about your specific phone, but here's what I can tell you.

Wireless Carriers, like Sprint, do offer "data" plans. Check with Sprint to see specific costs. Sprint would be your internet provider, you don't need to sign up with a third party.

Finally, there are data cables for USB to computer. I personally use Verizon Wireless, and I have a data cable for my Motorola for connecting to the internet while on the road.

My best suggestion is to check Sprint's web site, or contact a local Sprint store. They can direct you to what phone models do & do not have data cables. I just looked up your phone, and it is 1X data capable. Or, have you considered a PCMCIA card for your computer. The carriers offer those as well.

Rich


Posted By: mekkerfest on 12/15/05 03:54pm

For those not up on computers and interconnections.
There are three basic ways to connect a laptop to the internet:
All three require an account with internet provider (AOL, MSN, Earthlink, Roadrunner, ….)

1. Telephone Landline:
This is the same type of connection you would have in your home if using landline. It requires a modem (which is usually included in your laptop) and a local phone number which your laptop must dial. (So you have to know how to change the phone number in your laptop)
Most campgrounds have at least a single landline connection available in their office or laundry area. You must have local phone number, and you have to wait your turn when others are using it. Many times you also need the telephone cable to connect between the laptop and the wall phone jack. No campground charge for this service.

2. WiFi:
WiFi is basically a radio link from your laptop to a local receiver which can connect to the internet. Most newer laptops have WiFi built in. If not, a WiFi laptop adapter (and software) can be purchased from most electronics stores. Few campgrounds have this capability, but the number is growing. Most require an extra charge. It also requires you to be in close proximity to their receiving antenna. So you should ask for a site which can use that service. (Many Flying J’s have this service $)

3. Cell Phone:
This requires a connection between the laptop and the cell phone. Go to your cell phone company store and see if there is a connection (cable & software) available for your model phone.
If not, your out of luck - you have to buy a new phone.
If there is a connection available ask what different types of packages are offered.
I am grandfathered into a package with Verizon which does not have a monthly fee (except for my normal cell phone charge). I paid $25 for the cable and software back in 2001. This type of connection is very slow and teaches you patience. I only use it after 9 PM and on weekends.
This connection requires a strong signal between your cell phone and a digital cell tower. There are still some analog towers in remote western locations and the connection will not work.

There is also an expensive satellite connection available. I do not have the experience in that type. I do know that it is fast and can connect to the internet as long as the line of sight to the satellite is not restricted.


Posted By: camper_ron on 12/16/05 12:15pm

Thanks for the words of wisdom, I am learning the hard way about cell-phones I never owned my own until last month then when I separated from my employer they wanted there cell back, can you believe that (LOL) now I will have more time to camp so this sis why I need to coenct to the Internet. This is the message I got from the only data cable I saw that mentioned the A840-- Modem functionality (Feature NOT available with A840, A880 and Bell Mobility phones)- Use your cell phone as a modem and connect your laptop to the internet anywhere you can get a Cell signal. (This feature WILL require an account be setup (with a monthly fee)with your cell phone provider - please check with them for more information. I think this means I am out of luck? Poor me just trying to preserve my retirement funs.


Posted By: Uncle Q on 01/03/06 10:10pm

Camper Ron, you say you are a Sprint cell phone user & wonder about internet access. I, too, use the Sprint service and have found it to be pretty reliable and available most everywhere I've travelled.

So, when they announced the free air card program with unlimited usage for $60/mo, I took it. I should say first that I use the internet for my part time business which I pursue on the road, so the constant search for wifi spots became irksome.

I have had the card, Sierra 580, for only a week, so this is definitely a "preliminary" report, but so far I have to give it high marks for reliability and speed. It's almost like broadband where I am parked, but then, I haven't moved to other locations yet, either.

When you consider the cost of broadband in a home environment (in my case also about $60/mo), and when you consider the initial expense and higher monthly charge for satellite, the Sprint plan is a bargain.....if you need reliable, always-there service. The offer is only good for a few more days I believe.

Just my quick review, FYI. Hope it helps.

PS I considered the cell-phone-as-modem concept for many months, but saw the potential of being hit with a huge overuse bill as a formidable-for-me negative.


Posted By: camper_ron on 01/06/06 04:33am

Thank you very much for the info Uncle Q,

If I where planning on using my Internet connection for business I would defiantly purchase the Air Card, however being that my wife and I are actually trying to finger out is we qualify as full timers we will be testing out our qualifications in May of 2006 after we do a month I think then we will know if we can/want to go full timeing. One of the pastimes I have, being somewhat retired is surfing the net and I am very concerned about giving that up. The PCS Vision plan service for sprint alow you to go in through some back door munbo jumbo and not be billed for your air time, unfortunately I have found my nice new A-840 Samsung phone has the modem function blocked, I am trying to save on cost so that I can make this full time idea work.

PS Let me know have the Air Card works out because if we do go fulltime I may just go that way.

Thanks again, Camper_ron


Posted By: jim_martin_pa on 01/12/06 12:20am

Good stuff thanks for the info


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Posted By: vort max on 01/12/06 06:38pm

i have been trying to find out if verizon's "national access"
exists in my area so as to connect via an aircard.
verizon reps dont seem to know for sure.
since there is verizon digital service would that be the same
as national access?
thanks


Posted By: WPSANTENNAS-MATT on 01/13/06 07:10am

vort max wrote:

i have been trying to find out if verizon's "national access"
exists in my area so as to connect via an aircard.
verizon reps dont seem to know for sure.
since there is verizon digital service would that be the same
as national access?
thanks


I would recommend visiting evdoinfo.com or evdoforums.com.

There is information available and it is updated hourly.


Posted By: brenthunt on 01/13/06 09:17am

WPSANTENNAS-MATT wrote:

vort max wrote:

i have been trying to find out if verizon's "national access"
exists in my area so as to connect via an aircard.
verizon reps dont seem to know for sure.
since there is verizon digital service would that be the same
as national access?
thanks


I would recommend visiting evdoinfo.com or evdoforums.com.

There is information available and it is updated hourly.


Here's the VerizonWireless.com link. Near the bottom of the page is a link to enter your city and state and it will show you a coverage map.
You can't receive broadband signals but there is a signal I believe the air card will pick up.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/promotion/controller?promotionType=miniPac&action=miniStart

Good luck,

Brent


Posted By: 04admiral on 01/13/06 09:52am

I have tried several different ways of doing this email thing while on the road. I gave up and went to Nextel Blackberry phone with email access. It cost $45.00 per month for the internet access plus the normal phone package. The phone cost $149.00 upgrade. It's expensive but it works very well and I am happy. Plus I have nation wide walky talky and all the normal phone stuff. The Blackberry phone also acts as a PDA and sinks to MS Outlook so you have all your email address; phone numbers and so forth. Great system.


Posted By: MAGGIEMAE on 01/18/06 12:11pm

There may have been a comment or two which were missed, but so far nothing seems to be publicized about the Verizon Broadband/National Access program. They sell the modem, you plug it in the slot and configure your 'pooter, and then the challenge begins. Oh, the initial cost = about $107.00 for the hardware/software, and $60.00 monthly flat fee for a couple of years. The frustration level is
free, and one could become bald in a few months with this "service".

When (and if) it works and is hooked up to a Verizon Broadband tower, it is somewhat slower than a cable modem, but generally satisfactory. When you venture out of range of such a tower, then the skeet-shoot begins. And if one gets so far afield that the regular cell phone coverage is under "Extended Network" (translation = a contract with Joe Blow and his flimsy antenna which is supposed to carry the Verizon traffic for a few cents extra per call) then one is probably unable to get "Connected", or will be dropped without notice, losing all copy when the machine goes "Dormant". No keys will awaken it, either.

On balance, a questionable value, and nothing even close to a "National" service. All lies! Caveat emptor!!!

* This post was edited 01/18/06 12:25pm by MAGGIEMAE *


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Posted By: MrWizard on 01/19/06 07:03pm

MAGGIEMAE wrote:

There may have been a comment or two which were missed, but so far nothing seems to be publicized about the Verizon Broadband/National Access program. They sell the modem, you plug it in the slot and configure your 'pooter, and then the challenge begins. Oh, the initial cost = about $107.00 for the hardware/software, and $60.00 monthly flat fee for a couple of years. The frustration level is
free, and one could become bald in a few months with this "service".

When (and if) it works and is hooked up to a Verizon Broadband tower, it is somewhat slower than a cable modem, but generally satisfactory. When you venture out of range of such a tower, then the skeet-shoot begins. And if one gets so far afield that the regular cell phone coverage is under "Extended Network" (translation = a contract with Joe Blow and his flimsy antenna which is supposed to carry the Verizon traffic for a few cents extra per call) then one is probably unable to get "Connected", or will be dropped without notice, losing all copy when the machine goes "Dormant". No keys will awaken it, either.

On balance, a questionable value, and nothing even close to a "National" service. All lies! Caveat emptor!!!


these cards have ben discussed

and most people are happy with them,

the dormant problem is the tower/servers way of saving bandwidth when you are NOT sending or recieving any data

the quick way to awake the thing is to close the dialer then start it again, you do NOT have close your browser windows. just the dialer

dropout and other problems, are either with your card or your service area.

have you had the card checked by verizon ? have you tried another card ? have you checked for updated 'drivers' ? have you installed on another laptop ? ( friends or relative ) to see how the card performed with a different laptop


Posted By: jimrob on 01/21/06 10:12am

Here's a better link to Snap Dialer.
http://www.futuredial.com/Products/snapdialer/P_SD.htm


Posted By: Johno02 on 01/30/06 09:41pm

I have cell phone service through Verizon, but it should work just the same with Sprint. I use a Samsung phone A640, and an mobile office kit I got at the Verizon store. All it is is a USB cable that plugs into the phone on one end and the computer on the other. I use JUNO for dial-up access. Software comes with the cable kit to let your computer reconize the phone as a modem. Just plug it in, and use your dial-up access just like you were connected to a phone line. BUT!! IT IS SLOW!!!! 14.4 with acceleration still is only 23.0 baud, about 1/3 the speed of your home line. It is OK for receiving e-mail, no pictures if possible, a little bit of internet slowly. The only problem with JUNO is that they have a lot of handshaking to you conputer when it connects, and you have to wait for it to finish. I would recommend one of the bare bones dial-ups rather than AOL or JUNO. Earthlink might be OK, I have never used them myself.
Hope this helps, my account has free nights and weekends, so I can use all the minutes I want to after 9:00 and on weekends. There is no additional charge for data service either, although I have found a few locations where the service is not supported. West Virginia in particular. Also, cell phone access is limited in the boondocks.


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Posted By: HiTech on 02/02/06 06:00pm

I am online at right now on a bluetooth connection from my PC through Sprint on my Treo 650. You need the latest updates, then DUN (dial up networking) shows up on the Treo's bluetooth menu. For me I bought an eBay bluetooth USB dongle for just over $10 shipped. I detected the treo from my laptop, set a 4 digit numeric pin and the devices were paired. Then I set up DUN with the id web, password web and told it to dial #777. I also shut off all the protocols on that connection except TCP/IP.

I am on it now and it is running over 2x dial up speed, about 120K actual (I configured the PC to talk to the modem at 230K). Quite respectable, no cords required, the phone can just sit in my pocket or on its charger.

Jim

* This post was edited 02/02/06 08:59pm by HiTech *


Posted By: gadgetat on 02/02/06 07:01pm

Sounds like a cool setup. I've used my Motorola E815 with the blue tooth to connect my laptop.

I just went and picked up a new Kyocera KR1 WiFi / EVDO router. Got a Verizon EVDO card a few weeks ago, and I wanted to use it with my Windows & Mac systems (planning a long trip soon). So far the KR1 is working well (been trying it for a day). AC and DC power on it.

Now with the KR1 my trailer is literally a rolling WiFi Hotspot (as long as I have cell coverage).


Posted By: vort max on 02/02/06 08:08pm

I too have just started with verizon's national access
using a kpc650 card, amplifier and trucker-antenna.
(my signal is still weak)

several hours ago my max speed was 45kbps but has since
dropped down to about 8-14K, uch slower than my dialup.

I was wondering if this is common.maybe there are too
many cell phones in use, etc so the system slows.
i do know that often when
i use verizon i have to wait 15-30 secs before connecting.

Anyone have suggestions why the speed has slowed?
I am on national access-not broadband or quick2net.

thanks
rich


Posted By: HiTech on 02/02/06 08:58pm

gadgetat wrote:

Sounds like a cool setup. I've used my Motorola E815 with the blue tooth to connect my laptop.

I just went and picked up a new Kyocera KR1 WiFi / EVDO router. Got a Verizon EVDO card a few weeks ago, and I wanted to use it with my Windows & Mac systems (planning a long trip soon). So far the KR1 is working well (been trying it for a day). AC and DC power on it.

Now with the KR1 my trailer is literally a rolling WiFi Hotspot (as long as I have cell coverage).


Nice - I already have rolling WiFi and 100Mbps, but to get Internet for the other machines I will have to enable Internet Connection Sharing in XP. Sounds like the Kyocera is an integrated box.

Very slick.

Jim


Posted By: HiTech on 02/02/06 09:08pm

Beacher wrote:

Another option is INFRARED. If your Cell Phone and Notebook computer have IRDA compatible infrared, your cell phone can probably be used as a modem.

It's also handy for transfering address, telephone, and pictures to the notebook, and an infrared capable PDA.

My SONY Ericsson phone and my IBM Thinkpad talk nicely. I used my phone as an internet modem, and also for sending and recieving detailed text messages "typed" on the PDA.


Interesting - How do you do this? I have some ancient notebook PC's that do not have USB, but do have IrDA. I know how to share files over IR, but how can I configure them and my Treo 650 for dial up networking over IR?


Posted By: gadgetat on 02/03/06 04:11am

HiTech wrote:



Nice - I already have rolling WiFi and 100Mbps, but to get Internet for the other machines I will have to enable Internet Connection Sharing in XP. Sounds like the Kyocera is an integrated box.

Very slick.

Jim


Jim,

Yup, I've setup my own with my cell phone and laptop too. This is just a nice integrated package, Firewall, etc. Everything you'd expect out of a router. I posted a lot more on my about it, including pics. Kyocera review at blog.

On Vort Max's question regarding network speed. It's probably the network not you. Some of the networks aren't upgraded yet. You won't get much in the way of speed in those areas. Also, network loading will affect your speed. I used to run one of the big wireless carrier's network (operations side), and nobody's got perfect coverage, and nobody's got all the latest rolled out everywhere.


Posted By: vort max on 02/03/06 09:56am

gadgetat,

you think it might be the network?

after all the positive comments regarding verizon national access my
results so far stink.

max speed today has only been 20kbps and the average
is 10kpbs. some web pages "time out" and many never completely
stop scrolling.

any thots how i might tweek things??

thank you,
rich


Posted By: HiTech on 02/03/06 11:45am

What protocols do you have enabled on your PC for that dial-up connection? You might try turning off everything except IP and QOS. It will not help your connect speeed, but it will help how your machine uses it.


Posted By: gadgetat on 02/03/06 12:05pm

vort max wrote:

I too have just started with verizon's national access
using a kpc650 card, amplifier and trucker-antenna.
(my signal is still weak)

several hours ago my max speed was 45kbps but has since
dropped down to about 8-14K, uch slower than my dialup.

I was wondering if this is common.maybe there are too
many cell phones in use, etc so the system slows.
i do know that often when
i use verizon i have to wait 15-30 secs before connecting.

Anyone have suggestions why the speed has slowed?
I am on national access-not broadband or quick2net.

thanks
rich


Rich,

Hey there. My name's Rich too.

Few things I'd do.

1) Do you have a Verizon Cell phone? If so, when you're getting the slow connection take a look at your phone. On the handset's menu do you see a 1X anywhere? If not then there's one problem. The higher speed, even national access, is at least 1X. Otherwise their low speed network is only 14.4K. Ick.

2) If you've got a cell phone, is it data ready? If so I'd hook it up in the same spot where you're having the network issue. Use the same settings for access that you use with the card. The most you'll get hit for is minutes of use on Airtime. If you get a better download with the phone then I'd start looking at the card as your issue.

3) On Verizon's Network Manager program you can tell it only 3G networks or only 2G networks. Do you have 2G selected? If so you might only be picking their low speed. Double check that one.


I live in an area with only 1X close by. I've been getting 124K on average for download, and it has not degraded. That's why I wonder if you're even on their 1X network. Keep in mind, they're growing the network everyday, and upgrading the cell sites. Over time network speed will improve across the board, but it really does take time. One of my old cell techs just stopped by to say hi. He's out installing new network cards for a competing carrier's network (my old employer).

Hope this helps.

Rich


Posted By: 1Maverick on 02/03/06 12:22pm

I have a jack receptacle on my Verizon aircard, which will allow for an external antenna. I understand that this would help in areas of low signal strength. Will it also help with connection speeds?


Posted By: MichiganHotrod on 02/03/06 08:43pm

FYI.. I use Verizon access($5 a month charge) with an LG vx5200 cell teathered to my laptop with a cable provided in the Susteen Datapoint software package. Workds great - slightly faster than my old dial up. A plus is that after 9:00PM the airtime is free.

PS... I formally had Cingular... that was NOT a positive experience.


Posted By: gadgetat on 02/04/06 04:14pm

1Maverick,

The signal strength boost is good helping to avoid dropped packets. I wouldn't say it would increase speed, but if you're not dropping packets due to weak reception or transmit you'll have a better experience.

Oh, and MichiganHotrod, I used to work for a group that got bought up by Cingular. My old techs often tell me they're not having a postive experience too. Never worked for Verizon, but when I left the business I knew which network had the best coverage in my area.


Posted By: kc2kj on 02/05/06 06:28pm

A few notes about my experience with Verizon cell phone access.

I just got my cdma Verizon cell phone hooked up to internet using Motorola's Mobile Phone Tools and the supplied usb cable for my V60 phone. After installation I found it worked very well, reports a connection speed of 115.2 Kbps and with the Venturi optimizer web pages are "reasonable" for viewing. I am looking forward to trying the system on the road this season, but am quite pleased. It's not DSL, but very reasonable for web access, email, and keeping track of this forum. YMMV, but I am quite pleased. The cable and software cost me $14. Its a lot cheaper for occasional web access and not near as bulky as a satellite dish.

Mike
kc2kj


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Posted By: vort max on 02/05/06 08:42pm

my experience with verizon has been "variable" at best.

I have very low signal in my area of Oregon. On sat, it
dropped off completely. So i called tech support and
reported the outage which they denied. I then drove right
to the tower and parked and still got no signal. That was
36 hours ago and still no signal. I've emailed and call
tech support again and again and they still dont believe
me. I've since driven to a large nearby city to confirm
the my aircard and system is working.

Whats next?


Posted By: jurzbill on 02/06/06 04:13am

I have been using my verizon cell phone along with the office software for the past few years..
I just purchased an 8100LG phone and a new kit to hook up to my laptop.
With this I can access both standard internet and when in an area that offers broadband I will be able to access that.
It cost approximately $55 a month and there is no contract requirement.
If I dont use for the entire month the cost will be prorated..
I have been very satisfied with this hook up to the internet.


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Posted By: smyrna on 02/08/06 03:18pm

i tried cingulars wirless network access card for a laptop that plugs into a slot on laptops.
was supposed to be 100kbps, could not even get it to work, cingular had no idea how to make it work. i sent the network card back to get my money back ($160) and a year later i am still trying to get my money back.

my advice for wireless network cards would be go to a store and have them install and get it working before buying. it is to hard to deal with a company over the phone .

link goes to example product.
http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-........q_deviceId=cdsku9870090&WT.svl=mod3


Posted By: 2oldman on 03/05/06 12:20pm

I was in a Cingular store yesterday shopping for an upgrade (ATT-> Cingular) phone for better/faster internet than my ATT mmode. Also looking for Sierra 860 card.

The salesman who actually knew something told me C is rolling out a new UMTS (fast) internet service to an LG CU320 phone on Monday March 6. He said the monthly unlimited fee is $20 for phone use, but he nudge-nudged me that you could tether to your computer.

He gave me some printouts that looked official, so I tend to believe him.


Posted By: catalina30 on 03/09/06 06:33am

magicbus wrote:

Quote:

I am a bit puzzled with part of your post. When I configure my software, it is set to dial into my ISP. The cell phone is nothing more than a modem. So I have no problem reaching the SMTP outgoing email servers....I think it is mostly a problem when you dial in on say Earthlink and try to send mail on Verizon servers. They don't like that.

This is correct. Some mail servers only allow access from within their network. Others allow you to use your "home" servers even when you are outside their firewall.

When you use your cell phone to dial your ISP, you are "inside" their network. If you use Verizon #777 to access their National Access network or, as in my case, AT&T EDGE service, the carrier connection leaves you "outside your home network" which causes some people to have to make configuration changes.

Dave

I have Verizon using the PCMCIA card, I have never used verizon for my e-mail. I have a yahoo account(free mail) that I use for mail because I have had it for years and have been thru many providers and don't have the desire to learn all there is to know about a system just so I can get my mail, nor bother everyone on my list to change my address.

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Posted By: scoutken on 03/09/06 11:10am

Hello,
Having accesed the internet by cell for over 10 years and used both Verizon and Cingular I hope I can add something to this thread.

First two VERY helpful resources (Yahoo Groups)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InternetByCellPhone
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InternetByWiFi

You may have to join these groups, but they are free, and VERY helpfull.

InternetByCell tells you how to access internet by Verizon or Cingular at mininum cost. The systems operate very differently, from the customers view. All these services are changing fast, and the respective customer service reps. are not always up to date. I suggest you request to talk to Tech support.

Verizon charges by time connected and the IMC group can tell you how to use your free minutes to access the web. Currently where they have their broadband service active, Verizon is the fastest available. Slower service is available almost anywhere you get Verizon cell service. Check maps on their site often.

Cingular bills all data service seperate. They have the $19.95 month unlimited data service intended for phone use. the IBC group tells you how to access that on you PC. They also offer EDGE DATA service in many locations for $59.95 month unlimited or by amount of data transfered. My expierence is that the EDGE is much faster that the other, Edge is little faster than dial up, the other slower than dial up, but you must be in an area where EDGE is offered and pay the higher fee. However, if you have Cingular service there is no committment; it is month to month. You can purchase for a month for a trip and than quit.
Cingular is more like DSL in that you can stay connected for long times, and you CAN RECEIVE cell calls while connected. The web connection is put on hold and resumes when you hang up call.

All that said I am now trying to go all WIFI when RVing.
That is the reason to join the InternetByWiFi group. People on there are accessing internet from WiFi spots as far away as 10 miles, where they can get "line of sight". Having the right equipment is crital, but not always costly. Check out that site before you buy any WiFi equipment.

If I can answer any questions feel free to email me direct: scoutken_99@yahoo.com

Thanks to ALL WHO MAKE THESE FORUM GREAT
Ken


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Posted By: savitbound on 03/09/06 05:17pm

i need cellphone access for dummies ,i have a verizon v325 motorola phone , bought a data cable it shows the modem in my computer but i have cable internet how do i access the internet
please be gentle ha/ha
thanks sal
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Posted By: 5wheeler on 03/19/06 11:25am

Ken, Thanks for the links to the Yahoo groups. I signed up for both and have done a little reading.

My project for this week is to get internet hookup for the road-- either air card or via cell phone. I have wifi. When I went on the Yahoo groups I read the following in the Cingular tutorial.

In the past, Cingular users were able to get unlimited Internet use through the old $19.99 Media Works unlimited plan. However, this plan no longer exists and the company has changed its new user agreement. It used to say something to the effect that using Media Works to connect your laptop to the Internet was “not supported” by Cingular. New users now agree that it is forbidden and they will not do it. If you already have the old Media Works unlimited plan, you can probably—at least for now—continue to get away with unlimited Internet use, but there are no guarantees about how long this will continue. Therefore, this tutorial no longer includes instructions for connecting this way.

I was leaning toward this solution and know a guy who just did it a few days ago by tethering his phone and using free Cingular software that he downloaded from their site.

I hate to sign up for this and later get a big bill. Anyone familiar with this situation?






Posted By: Handbasket on 03/24/06 01:14pm

jurzbill wrote:

...
I just purchased an 8100LG phone and a new kit to hook up to my laptop.
With this I can access both standard internet and when in an area that offers broadband I will be able to access that.
It cost approximately $55 a month and there is no contract requirement.
If I dont use for the entire month the cost will be prorated..
...


What specific plan and kit, if you don't mind me asking? With Verizon?

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Posted By: jurzbill on 03/25/06 05:29am

I have the family plan now..Apparently verizon is offering only the America's choice plan.
I have the mok for the lg8100.
with the lg6000 I use to be able to use my existing minutes but now they have eliminated that choice.
you must activate your phone with verizon to access the internet.
However you dont have to contract with them..You can use it by the day, week, month and terminate at will.
Your bill will be prorated...
hope this helps..
bill


Posted By: retiredhappy on 03/25/06 08:42pm

Great thresd.

I have Verizon America's Choice - unlimited nites and weekends.

Was told phone MUST BE a trimode to work and a lot of the newer phones are duel mode.

Used a Samsung 301 and now have a Motorola V60. Bought both phones on Ebay and they work fine.

Also bought on Ebay a Verizon mobile office kit which is specific for each phone.

Downloaded the software from the MOK, hooked up phone a used the "Quick2net" option which is free - only uses minutes. No monthly charge. Only works if you're in a digital area, not analog. Have used this system a lot when on the road. Not the speediest but does work.

Tried one time to dial into my home ISP but apparently their system didn't recognize my computer from my cell phone.

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Posted By: jurzbill on 03/27/06 02:36pm

Well dont bother getting the LG 5200..
you cant access the internet with it using mok..
got it today.. verizon store said yes..
got home , hooked up and no good.
called tech support and they said it is not capable of accessing net via mok...
now going back and getting my LG8100 back..
guess will have to pay them..oh well.


Posted By: 04admiral on 03/27/06 03:08pm

What is mok???


Posted By: pulsar on 03/27/06 03:22pm

04admiral wrote:

What is mok???


Mobile Office Kit.

Tom


Posted By: Dave From AK on 04/14/06 10:11am

retiredhappy wrote:

Great thresd.

I have Verizon America's Choice - unlimited nites and weekends.

Was told phone MUST BE a trimode to work and a lot of the newer phones are duel mode.

Actually, they must be digital to work. "Tri-mode" means analog as well as both digital bands. You only need a tri-mode phone if you need to make voice calls in analog-only areas. Without a special PC Card, you can't use your phone for Internet connectivity in analog areas.

In addition to the other Yahoo forums mentioned earlier, you can get courteous answers to wireless connectivity questions at this forum.

Hope that helps.


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/14/06 10:08pm

if your phone is 2years old or newer, should not have a problem

if it less than 5 years you should be able to do quicknet even if you can't do NA 1xrtt service

my old qualcomm/kyocera 850 slimline will do QN , i used it for 3 years before getting out curent LG phones in 2004


Posted By: genealogyetc on 04/23/06 07:33pm

Regarding "Crabbypatty"'s question. I just signed up also with Verizon and could not send also. As a result, I called the 1-888-308-5005 Verizon number and they talked me through changing the email output to a "verizon" server, not my own internet server. The technician stated that sometimes this needs to be done--also takes maybe 48 hours to take effect. Hopefully, my advice is correct and I am not leading you in the wrong direction.


Posted By: 58KCb on 04/30/06 11:37am

Over the past 5 years or so, the following has been our internet access staple(s): Older VZN plan (National single rate w/2000 free weekend minutes per month)using Q2net. In addition, a T-Mobile plan currently using a Motorola V66 with PeoplePC as the ISP. Also, a Linksys Wireless-G PCMCIA card in case we wander into a Wi-Fi area.

FWIW: Although we've found signal availability superior using our VZN service (dig and analog), the on-line access has been 50% VZN and 50% T-Mobile. Only downside with the T-Mobile is 9600 bps........still much faster than 0.0bps. Wi-Fi access has been very spotty.


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Posted By: DemoDiva on 05/02/06 05:56pm

I used my Verizon mobile office kit and cell phone for two months during my free minutes - no problem, just the extra cost of the kit. Then we decided since we were going fulltiming this month we would get a 2nd cell phone - or second line as Verizon calls it for $9.99 extra a month. And then - I couldn't connect online with our original cell phone as I'd been doing?? What the heck? Called Verizon tech support and after two hours of checking and redoing everything they tell me, "Oh yeah you aren't set up for the data use plan and we can set it up right now, for $60+ extra a month". So he set it all up just to see if it would make the difference and two minutes later, I was all connected online again. Magic...only takes $$$$. "Why", I ask "was I able to connect like this for free for a couple of months and now I have to pay?" and the answer was,"you made a change in your plan, and whenever others change their plans who have been using it for their free minutes without charge, will also find out they won't be able to connect until they sign up for the data plan at $60+ extra a month. Verizon has decided no more free ride, but you can go online anytime now, not just during your free minutes. However, your minutes still apply for your talking time."

The moral of the story is --- don't change your plan with Verizon if you want to use free minutes for your online time at no charge.

Now can someone tell me if I got the "snapdialer" program would I be able to go back to using my free minutes free and cancel the the data plan with Verizon???


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 05/06/06 04:41pm

DemoDiva wrote:

I used my Verizon mobile office kit and cell phone for two months during my free minutes - no problem, just the extra cost of the kit. Then we decided since we were going fulltiming this month we would get a 2nd cell phone - or second line as Verizon calls it for $9.99 extra a month. And then - I couldn't connect online with our original cell phone as I'd been doing?? What the heck? Called Verizon tech support and after two hours of checking and redoing everything they tell me, "Oh yeah you aren't set up for the data use plan and we can set it up right now, for $60+ extra a month". So he set it all up just to see if it would make the difference and two minutes later, I was all connected online again. Magic...only takes $$$$. "Why", I ask "was I able to connect like this for free for a couple of months and now I have to pay?" and the answer was,"you made a change in your plan, and whenever others change their plans who have been using it for their free minutes without charge, will also find out they won't be able to connect until they sign up for the data plan at $60+ extra a month. Verizon has decided no more free ride, but you can go online anytime now, not just during your free minutes. However, your minutes still apply for your talking time."

The moral of the story is --- don't change your plan with Verizon if you want to use free minutes for your online time at no charge.

Now can someone tell me if I got the "snapdialer" program would I be able to go back to using my free minutes free and cancel the the data plan with Verizon???

Snapdialer won't help you. It is merely an alternative to the Mobile Office Kit, and your Verizon account will still need to have data access added to it.

We have been paying for unlimited data with Verizon for over three years now. I recently switched my phone to a PDA/phone. The advantage is that unlimited data is only $44.99/month on a PDA/phone. You might consider that when it comes time to upgrade your phone to an EVDO-capable model.


Posted By: EbonyPriestess on 05/08/06 12:36pm

My husband and I became full timers in March of this year. I researched the best ways to access the internet while on the road because I need to use my computer daily. I finally decided to invest in a media center laptop and I got a Sprint PCS Card. The PCS card connects you to the internet instantly and you don't have to worry about the expense of dial up, roaming and overusage costs. You pay a flat $60 per month and no more internet worries AT ALL. The PCS Card is only about $60 or $75. Sprint was much cheaper than Verizon, which charges $80 for the card and $80 per month unless you contract for your cellular service with them also, in which case it was $60. The PCS card is unlimited. If you have an on-line business or order goods and services online or have IM and email contacts all over the world, the Sprint PCS card is the way to go. RVing to me is about simplyfying life, not making it more complicated and I find that accessing the internet with a PCS card, in addition to being far more cost effective than any other method, is also the simplest way to connect with the internet at any place and at any time.


Pam Jackson


Posted By: unbob on 05/09/06 12:41pm

Pam, your post re Sprint PCS card is misleading. To get the $60 unlimited data deal, you must also have a voice subscription with Sprint! The Sprint Mobile Broadband web site clearly states "$59.99/month with a Sprint wireless voice subscription or $79.99/month without." Nuff said.


Posted By: JeffreyCentex on 05/09/06 08:17pm

Only if you get EVDO access. National Access only via card is still $59.99. Broadband Access is 79.99 sans plan and 59.99 with plan.


Posted By: ccchuck on 05/14/06 04:08pm

Dave from AK wrote:

We have been paying for unlimited data with Verizon for over three years now. I recently switched my phone to a PDA/phone. The advantage is that unlimited data is only $44.99/month on a PDA/phone. You might consider that when it comes time to upgrade your phone to an EVDO-capable model.


what type of voice/data plan is required? is data charged against minutes? this really interest me, would appreciate details :-)






Posted By: Dave From AK on 05/15/06 02:42pm

You should take a look at the Verizon site:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/index.html?my=off

On the "Personal" tab, select PDA/Smartphones, and follow the prompts from there. I could tell you what shows up when I go there today, but you may get a different result tomorrow or in a different geographical market.

For what it's worth, I have an old $39.99 America's Choice voice plan and the $44.99 unlimited Broadband/NationalAccess data plan. I don't know whether those are still available.

Hope that helps.


Posted By: danbjr on 05/20/06 10:03am

Have used T-Mobile internet for three months last year on East coast, and since Jan 1st now coming from NJ to CA and wandering around West coast. We have cable to one cell phone. As long as we get one bar of connection, internet works. Yes, it is slow, but it works. All cell phone connections are slow. New EDGE connection is faster, but costs more. We have T-Mobile for talking, so adding internet using one ofour two phones costs $20 per month, unlimited. We can add unlimited hotspot usage for $10 per month. This would use the built in WIFI when we go to a T-Mobile hotspot, such as Starbucks or Borders Books.


Posted By: Jackjagt on 05/21/06 06:40pm

Communications on the road.
We solved our biggest frustration on-the-road, expensive ($3/min)cell phone plans, by going WiFi.
Our computer has built in WiFi, we signed up for Skype (the most advanced service) VOIP (Voice Over Internet Protocal)telephone, with a cheap prepaid "Skypeout" card for calling regular land line telephones anywhere in the world. (Computer to computer calls are free).
We stop and camp only at locations that offer free WiFi access (more & more campgrounds are offering this because it's cheap for them and lots of RVers like us will ONLY go where open WiFi is available).
We still have a cell phone but use it less.


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Posted By: riverchick on 06/13/06 01:56pm

Great info. I was just about to ask about all this


Posted By: savitbound on 06/16/06 02:12pm

i have a motorola 325 Verizon nation access bought Motorola Phone Tools kit,It bshows the phone as a modem but it shows data #777 but cant open up a browser, Q Mobile Verizon ,says connected to internet but no browser sows verizon but N/G , I have tried everthing any ideas? does the phone have to show all the bars to work?
I guess i need cell phone for Dummies
Thanks Sal Avitabile


Posted By: bamaram2002 on 06/18/06 06:56am

Can't remember where I was in the discussion, so I came back here to post my results...

Let me preface this by saying my results are by using Cingular service on a Motorola GPRS-enabled phone. Other providers and manufacturers may (and will) vary.

I mentioned that I had read up on using the cheaper Cingular MEdia service to get internet access through the cell phone to the laptop rather than paying for one of their expensive data plan ($19.99/mo vs. $79.99/mo for unlimited downloads).

Now, Cingular designed the MEdia plans for browsing on the phone device only, which is why they are cheaper. In fact, Cingular will say that you can't use MEdia to hook the phone up to the laptop to provide internet service. And they try to enforce that saying that you have to use their Cingular Communications software to access the internet on the laptop along with their data plan. And in that software they don't let you change the settings necessary to communicate on the MEdia network. But you can get around that by knowing the correct settings and manually configuring the modem settings and using Motorola's Phone Tools to connect.

So yesterday, DW finally returned from her playing camp nurse on a youth mission trip, so I signed her phone up for the MEdia plan (for some reason, my phone quit responding to the Motorola Phone Tools). Turns out I could choose the cheapest one ($4.99/mo) which is only supposed to give me 1MB/mo of downloads, but the first month is unlimited downloads. We are really only looking for something to give us access while on the upcoming road trip when wifi isn't available. And since I already have the voice plan with them, the MEdia plan is month-to-month - no long term contract.

Anyway, I connected it up, configured the modem settings, and was online. Speed wasn't great - 33K - but faster than the dial-up option I was considering which would have been 1/2 that speed and still cost me $3.99/mo for Cingular to grant me permission to dial-up my own internet provider using my phone and my minutes.

Anyway, for anyone interested in making this work you can read up on it here and here.

And of course, you can PM me if you have questions.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 06/18/06 10:58am

savit1 wrote:

i have a motorola 325 Verizon nation access bought Motorola Phone Tools kit,It bshows the phone as a modem but it shows data #777 but cant open up a browser, Q Mobile Verizon ,says connected to internet but no browser sows verizon but N/G , I have tried everthing any ideas? does the phone have to show all the bars to work?
I guess i need cell phone for Dummies
Thanks Sal Avitabile


i am not sure what you are saying

BUT vzw dialing software OR a manual connection setup , neither one is going to open the browser for you, with a branded home page like AOL or other home/landline ISP

once the connecton is made you have to click on the your 'browsers ICON' ( IE, Firefox, etc... )

and open it

open your bookmarks/favorites or homepage link

viola you are on the internet

all the moto-tools is going to do ; IS make the connection not open the browser

BTW your ID is your phone (all ten digits )

Example 5552327777@vzw3g.com

password is VZW

the phone number to dial is #777 not data#777


Posted By: gregbenner on 06/23/06 06:03pm

If I were in Ensenada, Mexico, and got a Mexico SIM card for my GSM phone, would I be able to have internet access at whatever the rate/minute is?

greg


Posted By: RVTRAVELERS1997 on 07/01/06 07:55pm

NASAGuy wrote:

Hi DanaMc
Thanks for taking the time to address this rather complex subject. It seems the practicality of the "tethered laptop" approach depends on which wireless carrier and wireless plan a person is dealing with. In my case I have a Cingular Nation plan. I have spent a fair amount of time investigating this subject on this forum, the Yahoo forum, and the Howard forums. To make along story short it seems that a Cingular customer will be charged data by the kb when tethering to a laptop. kb usage can be very high. One report on this forum indicated a Cingular customer received a one month bill for $1500. An obvious option is to buy the Cingular Media Works package for $19.95 per month which has unlimited wireless internet. This should solve this problem-right? Nope, it seems Cingular says this is plan is only for direct cell phone internet access and anyone wanting to "tether" a laptop is supposed to buy one of their even more pricey data plans which cost up to $80/month.
I know there are people on this forum who state they are charged only air time minutes when hooked to their laptops. I have no reason to disbelieve their claims but I have no explanation either. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe these folks have an older Cingular plan that does not charge for data by the kb.
At this point I have just about decided to forget about the "tethered laptop" approach and will continue to use WiFi when it is available or find a place to use my trusty dial up connection in the campground.
Please let me know if I am in error on any of the above and keep in mind I was referring only to Cingular Wireless.
Bill in Florida


Hey there Bill,Doesn't Cingular have the 'air card' option? they have this on the other major plans for around $60.00 a month UN-limited. they have other plans that are designed to fit your budget.
I used to use the usb cord to hook-up but this new air-card is faster and the plans are nice along with the fact that I can receive calls and make them at the same time.
I've had only one problem with my air-card, it stopped working with very little notice. they replaced it for free after 7-8 months of use. If you have ever used Broadband this is close.You have two different connection options to use. One is the EVDO and dial-up.EVDO can connect anywhere from 50 to 600 KBPS. It depends where you are and the server you are connected to. The dial-up is for analog. It connects at 14.4 KBPS.Slow as dial-up on a 56K modem.I can also use my WI-FI. that gives me 3 ways to connect.
Hope this helps. Have a good trip! Dan


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/03/06 12:17am

here is the link for the latest versions of verizon's access manager
for you VZW connection

if you have a data plan & aircard

or simply want to update the version you have

here is the link

http://www.vzam.net/


Posted By: DtommyD on 07/08/06 11:24pm

OK
I've missed so much. New to here.
I started on page 1 and realized it was all from 2004 and saw prices around 80 a month.
So I assume a free wifi campground would be nice, but give me your best.
Over the road people do what?
And people in seasonal parks still do 56k?
Please tell me. I could work from internet but don't have time to check out the areas. (I do know I have cell phone coverage ((t-mobile))
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Posted By: MrWizard on 07/10/06 11:22pm

if you have t-mobile cellphone the t-mobile data plan is $29

you can get a verizon aircard and the data plan is $59 a month

if you get a verizon 'broadband phone' you can add the data plan to your phone for $59 a month and tether the phone

the advantage of this is the data plan can be added and removed as 'optional' feature on a as needed basis

so if you don't full time, you have phone year round and data plan only when you need it ( call in have it added to the account ) per month basis


Posted By: brain on 07/19/06 09:32pm

As I've recently changed my work environment and can now telecommute, we started the process of prepping for RV travel. One essential item was Internet access. I simply had to have it for my job.

I liked the speed of the satellite systems, and the new auto-pointing ones looked to be useful while in transit (I needed to be online while on the road), but the price was high, and I wasn't sure how the large latency would affect VPN connections to the office.

The other option was cellular modem. The prices were more reasonable, though the speeds were more modest. HOwever, they offered more portability.

It appears Sprint has a few lower cost plans, but we already had our regular phone with Verizon, so I opted for Verizon 1xRTT/1xEV-DO service. I selected a Kyocera KPC650 card, as it has a movable antenna and a jack for an external antenna. As well, online tests showed it had the best signal reception.

I installed the CD for the service on my XP box, and was running.

That's where folks on here probably stop. All is well.

However, I had some additional requirements. I wanted to ensure my wife (who has her own laptop) could access the Internet at the same time I accessed it (at night, I check on personal email and such, and she researches for the next day's or week's activities, checks the weather, etc.

Someone in here previously mentioned the Kyocera KR-1 router, which supports this function. You dump your card into the router box, and it bridges the cellular traffic to Wifi, so anyone within Wifi range can use the connection. That was a good, but pricey options. So I rolled my own.

I secured a small embedded PC from eBay (about 4"x5"x2") that runs on 12 volts DC and has two PCMCIA ports. I stuck the KPC650 into one slot, and got a bargain Prism-II based Wifi PCMCIA card for the other slot.

Then, I dumped Metrix Linux 0.9 on a CompactFlash card and put it on the PC (the PC has a CF slot in addition to the PCMCIA slots). After getting the machine to boot, and some tweaking, the system sets up a remote "WiFi hot spot" around our RV.

Specifically:

On boot, the system reads the OS from the CF card, and boots into Linux
It then dials the Verizon network
It finally configures the cheap WiFi card as an access point.

The box also has the option of using s dynamic DNS system like Dyndns.com to give it a DNS name, and it runs a small web server. I don't have it configured at present, but if you plug a GPS box into the USB ports or the RS232, it will put a Google map of where the box is located (assuming you are close to the box) on the web site, and folks can visit the web page and see where you are.

In any event, it runs all the time, redialing the connection when it goes down for any reason. Our laptops then connect to the Internet with normal WiFi cards. If the current location has a better WiFi connection, our PCs will bring up a note about the new access, and we can switch to the faster connection until it disappears, at which time we fall back to the slower Verizon service.

Although not a planned feature, when we are using the router, friends in nearby campers can enjoy some Internet access.

If I need to be more mobile, I simply shut off the router, pull the air card, and pop it into my laptop. The router OS is designed to not require a "shutdown" like a Windows PC. Just cut power, no ill effects.

One can always crave more speed, but it allows me to telecommute from anywhere (well, almost anywhere), and we've gotten a lot of use out of it outside of work (checking weather, finding campgrounds, searching for local RV dealers, etc.)

Jim


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/20/06 12:15am

sounds very nice, way to go

nice project

i am curious though, you thought the KR1 was pricey,

but i'm sure that the 12v embedded PC was NOT a $10 item

what was the total cost of your project,

and I have the feeling you did all the programing yourself, not something all of us could do,

i'm sure it would take me a while to get it right

if tried do it


Posted By: narobbins on 08/15/06 09:22pm

I have had three Mobile Office Kits and have used them for several years because I full time in my Winnebago Adventurer 38' and need access to the internet. My Motorola 720 needed a new battery so I decided to get a new phone. Wrong thing to do. I got a LG8300. I went to our local Verizon corporate store today to get another Mobile Office Kit to fit the 8300. I was told that they are no longer making MOK's. They were not intended to access the internet they were just supposed to be used to transfer phone numbers to your computer. We are supposed to pay $59.95 monthly fee to use the MOK. If you are using your phone without paying the fee they are going to check and see if your phone is using an unusually high amount of data time and you will be charged. I tried using a modem card in my computer and my computer would not recognize it and I had to get a new hard drive and lost all of my info and had no signal unless I drove down the road until I picked up a signal. So everyone using Verizon MOK had better hang on to those old phones. I am using mine until they catch up with me then I will decide what I will do. Maybe they will finally get enough broadband towers that we can use them. If anyone has any ideas how I can get a new cord for my 8300 let me know.


Posted By: hrendeavor on 08/18/06 10:38am

When we decided to spend summers traveling we got Verizon cell phone with National access and the hoome office program so I could get on line thru the summer. This year when I tried to get on it wouldn't let me. I called Verizon and they said I would have to pay extra for the service. In the beginning I could use it with the same plan I have with the cell phone service. at no extra charge. Since the service was so slow and most of the time we were out of range it wasn't worth the extra money. I just catch up on my mail when we are at my daughters now but I'm upset with Verizon and will be changing cell phone carriers as soon as we get back home.


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 08/19/06 12:05pm

narobbins wrote:

I have had three Mobile Office Kits and have used them for several years because I full time in my Winnebago Adventurer 38' and need access to the internet. My Motorola 720 needed a new battery so I decided to get a new phone. Wrong thing to do. I got a LG8300. I went to our local Verizon corporate store today to get another Mobile Office Kit to fit the 8300. I was told that they are no longer making MOK's. They were not intended to access the internet they were just supposed to be used to transfer phone numbers to your computer. We are supposed to pay $59.95 monthly fee to use the MOK. If you are using your phone without paying the fee they are going to check and see if your phone is using an unusually high amount of data time and you will be charged. I tried using a modem card in my computer and my computer would not recognize it and I had to get a new hard drive and lost all of my info and had no signal unless I drove down the road until I picked up a signal. So everyone using Verizon MOK had better hang on to those old phones. I am using mine until they catch up with me then I will decide what I will do. Maybe they will finally get enough broadband towers that we can use them. If anyone has any ideas how I can get a new cord for my 8300 let me know.

You can buy the equivalent of the MOK for any phone from online vendors. Here's one on eBay for $11 plus shipping: cable

The added value of the MOK is the software that sets up the connections for you. Checks the Links and the Files section of the CellSatWiFi forum for the QuickLink Mobile and the VZAM software from the MOK.

Hope that helps.


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/19/06 07:13pm

Quote:

If anyone has any ideas how I can get a new cord for my 8300 let me know.


buy the MEK ' music essentials kit' from VZW it comes with a cable and the drivers, also some music syncing software ( you may not want that )

I don't trust Ebay cables, more headaches , than the money saved is worth, the cable from the MEK for my 8100 lets me plug the charger into the cable to charge the phone while i'm hooked to the computer, stay on all night, NO battery problems

I have an 8100 replaced my 4500, and i'm online right now using it..

you just have to get into the hidden service menu and change some phone setings, to get back on the 1x bandwidth like your old phone

PM me, i'll send you the howto info


Posted By: jdwroten on 08/30/06 06:38pm

I use Verizon NationalAccess-BroadbandAccess. This gives me the slower speed in many places (1XRTT), but broadband speed around the 181 cities where the EV-DO has been rolled out. Verizon is going nationwide with wireless broadband, so coverage will get better over time.


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Posted By: retiredhappy on 09/12/06 05:09pm

I hear Verizon is going to start charging for "data" transmission if you're using their Quick2Net. I have had a Motorola Mobile Office Kit for serveral years but have found I have to stay with older phones that are "Trimode" rather than duelmode like most of the new ones. There are two options: I set up my phone to dial my hometown ISP dialup service so Verizon only sees it as a long distance phone call. I have now switched to Roadrunner for my ISP and RR supplies (at no extra charge) local dial up numbers for when you're traveling. I will test them out for the first time in December from Gallup New Mexico. The only problem I've ever had with using Verizon Quick2Net was that it didn't work if I was in an "extended network" area.

Would like to hear from anyone who has used RR's dial up service.

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Posted By: texas tbone on 09/12/06 05:24pm

Cingular charges 59.99 for the data plan for laptops. Word to the wise if you use Bluetooth it will slow your Internet down and it is not very secure.
You can go into Cingular buy a PC card and your on the net with no roaming or extra charges . Verizon has the same thing for the same price but a smaller cov area. Just some info from some one who does this for a living.
Travis


Posted By: 42lou on 09/15/06 08:44pm

DemoDiva wrote:

I used my Verizon mobile office kit and cell phone for two months during my free minutes - no problem, just the extra cost of the kit. Then we decided since we were going fulltiming this month we would get a 2nd cell phone - or second line as Verizon calls it for $9.99 extra a month. And then - I couldn't connect online with our original cell phone as I'd been doing?? What the heck? Called Verizon tech support and after two hours of checking and redoing everything they tell me, "Oh yeah you aren't set up for the data use plan and we can set it up right now, for $60+ extra a month". So he set it all up just to see if it would make the difference and two minutes later, I was all connected online again. Magic...only takes $$$$. "Why", I ask "was I able to connect like this for free for a couple of months and now I have to pay?" and the answer was,"you made a change in your plan, and whenever others change their plans who have been using it for their free minutes without charge, will also find out they won't be able to connect until they sign up for the data plan at $60+ extra a month. Verizon has decided no more free ride, but you can go online anytime now, not just during your free minutes. However, your minutes still apply for your talking time."

The moral of the story is --- don't change your plan with Verizon if you want to use free minutes for your online time at no charge.

Now can someone tell me if I got the "snapdialer" program would I be able to go back to using my free minutes free and cancel the the data plan with Verizon???


DemoDiva... seems as tho. Verizon is catching on to the backdoor access... I am thinking maybe on a per customer basis.. Unfort. I don't think there's any going back once you get "caught" ...I need to update my plan also and was wondering did you call and have them do it over the phone or did you do it yourself online via editing your account ?


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Posted By: 2oldman on 10/13/06 09:13am

I've been bluetoothing my Motorola V557 for internet access. For times when Edge is not available, I'll get GPRS.

IMHO, gprs works better than Edge. With Edge there are times I cannot even bring up google.


Posted By: Retired SFC on 10/15/06 06:49pm

I have Nextel with the web plan so I can access the web/email with my phone, text only. I got a USB data cable and downloaded the Nextel Connection Manager (Free From Nextel). Connected the phone opened the Connection Mananger, clicked connect then opened IE or Outlook and WHAM! I've got full access. It's not as fast as most dial up's and DSL, but it works for what I need, checking email and paying the bills while we're on the road.

Andy


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Posted By: JJnLilly on 10/19/06 06:19am

Curious to know which Nextel phone you have. I'm still using an old Sprint Sanyo 4900 with a data cable and vision pack to get online while we travel.

ps - retired AF res here


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Posted By: Roadpilot on 10/20/06 07:10am

We have a Kyocera KR1 mobile router and PC650 aircard that we use with Verizon's internet access service. My wife and I both have Dell laptops with Verizon cell phones.

The aircard works great plugged into either laptop (XP), but when plugged into the KR1 it is less robust. Specifically early in the morning it works pretty well but as the morning progresses and traffic builds on the towers it starts to terminate calls. When it drops calls frequently we pull the PC650 and pop it in one of the laptops and things work great.

Does Verizon somehow know we are using the KR1 with the PC650 and assign us low priority in their system? Do they care that two laptops are sharing the bandwidth? If so are their any work arounds?


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Posted By: pulsar on 10/20/06 07:24am

Roadpilot wrote:

...
Does Verizon somehow know we are using the KR1 with the PC650 and assign us low priority in their system? Do they care that two laptops are sharing the bandwidth? If so are their any work arounds?


Roadpilot,

I think you would get a better response to your question if you started a new thread.

Tom


Posted By: Roadpilot on 10/20/06 07:52am

Tom,

Will do.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/02/06 12:15am

so many people are getting NEW phones ( Vcast capable phones ) and want to use the 1x network connection, here are some directions, these are detailed for the lg 8100 on verizon, will work for the 8300 and 9800 and possibly the 5200

this works for my LG vx8100 and should work for your LG from verizon

press MENU

now press the number 0

the screen will say enter service code

now press 0 6 times

a new secret menu list will appear

look for NETWORK SELECT ( on my phone it is number 3 in the list )

choose NETWORK SELECT and press OK

another menu choose 'Mode Preference' press 1 or OK

another menu

with 4 choices

choose '1X Only'

press OK

this will lock the phone to 1x mode

now press END

it should work for you

If you need to setup the phones PC connection and DUN ( dialup networking )

that is also in the service menu

selection #4 'Data'

nothing about this will change your voice phone calls

VOICE calls do NOT use EvDo ( digital hybrid ) mode that you turned off

all you have done so far is , set the phone to act like older phones that did not have Ev-Do broadband data speed capability,

in the service menu under data, scroll down to PC connection and choose 'cable DUN' and choose enable and OK


all you need to do now is make sure the PW & ID are correct in your dialup connection settings

or create a new dialup connection

PW is VZW the ID is cellphonenumber@vzw3g.com

example 5551235656@vzw3g.com

the number to dial is #777


Create your connection

when you go to connect for the first time, click Properties, go to the "Security" Tab, then under security options, you need to select the radio button next to "Advanced (custom settings)" then click the settings button just to the right of the radio button..

when that dialog box comes up, under the "Allow These Protocols" section, you need to uncheck everything but the "Unencrypted Password (PAP)" option. Hit "OK" on the bottom, a dialog will come up saying something about if the connection uses one of the protocols that you just un-selected it wont work, just press "OK", then press "OK" again.. then you will be back at the login screen for the DUN connection.. Press "Connect" it should work from there..

I hope these directions help



Posted By: pulsar on 11/02/06 06:29am

MrWizard,

Thank you for making this post. We can link to it when members ask how to connect their Vcast capable phones to the Internet.

Tom


Posted By: savitbound on 11/05/06 12:14pm

I give up, I have a v325 motorola ,with verizon service , I get it to show the the phone is a modem .It shows the motorola phone on my screen and it says I am connected to the internet ,But i can get a browser to open ,I give up I have tried everything
Sal Avitabile


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/05/06 01:23pm

what do you mean the browser won't open ?

right click on the IE icon or the firefox icon and chose open

or go thru the start menu

if you clicking your OLD internet icon, it will be trying to open your PREVIOUS connection cable-dsl-dialup ? which is NOT connected ?

OR do you mean , you can't get any web pages in the browser


Posted By: MtnDew on 11/09/06 06:19pm

great topic and well worth the reading. I think it's important in life to share ones experiences which allows others to learn.

My post is one where I am seeking assistance and idea's of a technical nature. Here's my story.

Equipment:
Cingular 3G PC Card modem (Sierra wireless Aircard 860),
DWL-500 pcmcia adapter card ( Ricoh R5C475 II chipset),
Dell 8300 Desktop PC with following config:
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name xxxxxxx
System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
System Model Dimension 8300
System Type X86-based PC
Processorx86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~3191 Mhz
Processorx86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~3192 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Dell Computer Corporation A03, 9/19/2003
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)"
User Name xxxxxxxxx
Time Zone US Mountain Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.12 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 2.85 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Issue : download speeds should be ~150KB/s (Edge)and ~300 KB/s(3G)

downloading at 17-22KB/s (edge connection) (in El Paso)
downloading at 50KB/s on 3G connection (in Phoenix)

Troubleshooting performed:
1. Called Cingular support on 4 different occasions and all settings were verified to be correct.

Following troubleshooting done on my own thus far since Cingular's support didn't resolve the issue but agreed the speeds were waaay too low.....

2. deinstalled and reinstalled the drivers for the DWL-500 pcmcia adapter card.
3. Installed latest firmware for the Aircard from Sierra.
4. Installed latest version of the cingular communications manager.
5. Installed latest version of the Sierra Aircard 860 Watcher program.
6. Ordered, received and installed a replacement Aircard 860 from Cingular.

All above troubleshooting did not resolve the slow download speed.

Also ordered a new pcmcia adapter card from synchrotech which has the TI chipset on it rather than the Ricoh chipset (learned this from the cingular forums) part# ordered : PCM-CR-PC1 IC2 which I won't be able to install until we get back to Phoenix next week.

Any suggestions as to what I should do next are VERY welcome.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 11/09/06 09:33pm

have you tried any of the internet connection tweaking programs , such as

'cable nut' 'tcip optimizer' 'internet tweak 2000' etc..

on some computers they can make a difference..

is it possible to change the speed settings of the interface? USB ? that connects the adapter box to the laptop

and have you compared your setup to anybody using a cingular cellphone cable to their laptop, working from the same location as you..

if possible I would try out their phone on your PC and let them try your card adapter system on their PC

also some phones, such as my LG 8100 from verizon, have PC connection speed settings in the phone setup menus

if these are set to 19k or 34k , it is NOT possible to get full high speed NO matter what the other software is set too

check the software setups for the aircard itself, NOT just the windows modems settings,

do you have management and setup program for the aircard ?

NOT the connection program..


Posted By: MtnDew on 11/10/06 11:22am

MrWizard wrote:

have you tried any of the internet connection tweaking programs , such as

'cable nut' 'tcip optimizer' 'internet tweak 2000' etc..
----Have not done this....

on some computers they can make a difference..

is it possible to change the speed settings of the interface? USB ? that connects the adapter box to the laptop
---Is not a laptop, it's a desktop and aircard plugs into a pcmcia adaptercard (dwl-500)
and have you compared your setup to anybody using a cingular cellphone cable to their laptop, working from the same location as you..
----Was able to try this on daughters laptop and see same results.

if possible I would try out their phone on your PC and let them try your card adapter system on their PC
----not using a phone...it's a wireless aircard and tried it in my daughters pc with same results.

also some phones, such as my LG 8100 from verizon, have PC connection speed settings in the phone setup menus
----speed on the wireless card is determined by cingular tower and out of my control.
if these are set to 19k or 34k , it is NOT possible to get full high speed NO matter what the other software is set too
----not an analog modem where you can control these settings.

check the software setups for the aircard itself, NOT just the windows modems settings,
----software settings were validated on 4 different occasions by the cingular support folks

do you have management and setup program for the aircard ?
NOT the connection program..
---no there is no setup program for the aircard. after drivers are installed it's pretty much just "plug 'n pray"



Posted By: MrWizard on 11/11/06 10:45am

Quote:

also some phones, such as my LG 8100 from verizon, have PC connection speed settings in the phone setup menus
----speed on the wireless card is determined by cingular tower and out of my control.
if these are set to 19k or 34k , it is NOT possible to get full high speed NO matter what the other software is set too
----not an analog modem where you can control these settings.


I use a verizon cellphone and i have used & setup verizon aircards

windows treats them like any other modem, in modem properties you can change the BAUD rate / speed, if it is NOT at max you will not get max speed

and with the Verizon digital products, (cell phones & aircards )( especially cellphones ) there are menus for PC connections and the speed for those connections

cingular GSM & edge are different technology, than Verizon's CDMA & EV-DO but there should be diagnostic or setting software available for it

http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=50

here is a link for forum about 'cingular aircards smart phones' good look

http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=337

* This post was edited 11/14/06 08:39am by MrWizard *


Posted By: Jackjagt on 11/12/06 04:50pm

Communications on the road.
We solved our biggest frustration on-the-road, expensive ($3/min)cell phone plans, by going WiFi and VOIP.
Our computer has built in WiFi, we signed up for Skype (the most advanced service) VOIP (Voice Over Internet Protocal) telephone, with a cheap prepaid "Skypeout" card for calling regular land line telephones anywhere in the world. (Computer to computer calls are free).
We stop and camp only at locations that offer free WiFi access (more & more campgrounds are offering this because it's cheap for them and lots of RVers like us will ONLY go where open WiFi is available).
We still have a cell phone but use it less.


Posted By: Russandyutah on 11/15/06 08:40am

Question is there a y splitter so that you can connect power and still be on the USB port. I have verzion and I have there software and the cable.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/15/06 02:14pm

my 8100 music kit, came with a cable that lets me plug the charger into the cable while it's connected to the PC, (a charge port is built into the cable )

cables that charge the phone while plugged into the PC usb port are available for some phones from 3rd party STORES and websites, check radio shack


Posted By: jbman on 11/16/06 09:58pm

I use a sprint aircard to get online, its awesome 60 bucks a month unlimited use


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/25/06 04:34am

new LG9900 "enV" works on 1xRTT, heeehaw


Posted By: computerbug on 11/25/06 06:43pm

We use the Motorola E-815 cell phone and Alltel Axcess Data service. With this setup, Alltel charges $25 per month, and you get EVDO support which runs up to 800 kbps speed, which is about half the DSL speed I have at home. Works fine and is plenty fast enough to even download software updates/patches from Microsoft, etc. Requires a Motorola patch cord to attach the phone, but the price and speed are great. They also allow you to roam to other providers towers with no additional charge, although sometimes it cannot connect at EVDO speeds but it is still about 2x as fast as dialup. If you get this setup, do not install the Internet performance enhancement software on the CD. It actually slows EVDO to a crawl.


Posted By: DtommyD on 11/25/06 07:54pm

So I have a mac (3 yrs old {iBook G3 700}) and really would prefer a wifi connection when I get to where I'm going. (I don't really need it to be mobile). I guess I'm wondering if there is a solution for a router. Not directly into the computer. A router soulution. Speed while I'm on vacation is all relitive, but in a perfect world I could download video and music. Yeah I know, Way perfect world. I am currently a T-mobile guy but I'm willing to learn. I'd love a T-mobile soulution (never have had any problems with them so) but...
This will need to be solved by spring so I guess I have some time to ponder. I also don't need a dedicated account for this - just a 6-10 day a month kind of guy.
Any hot tips?
It's just for when I go camping.


Posted By: MtnDew on 11/25/06 11:46pm

original issue: (resolved and solution listed at bottom)

My post is one where I am seeking assistance and idea's of a technical nature. Here's my story.

Equipment:
Cingular 3G PC Card modem (Sierra wireless Aircard 860),
DWL-500 pcmcia adapter card ( Ricoh R5C475 II chipset),
Dell 8300 Desktop PC with following config:
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name xxxxxxx
System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
System Model Dimension 8300
System Type X86-based PC
Processorx86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~3191 Mhz
Processorx86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~3192 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Dell Computer Corporation A03, 9/19/2003
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)"
User Name xxxxxxxxx
Time Zone US Mountain Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.12 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 2.85 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Issue : download speeds should be ~150KB/s (Edge)and ~300 KB/s(3G)

downloading at 17-22KB/s (edge connection) (in El Paso)
downloading at 50KB/s on 3G connection (in Phoenix)

Troubleshooting performed:
1. Called Cingular support on 4 different occasions and all settings were verified to be correct.

Following troubleshooting done on my own thus far since Cingular's support didn't resolve the issue but agreed the speeds were waaay too low.....

2. deinstalled and reinstalled the drivers for the DWL-500 pcmcia adapter card.
3. Installed latest firmware for the Aircard from Sierra.
4. Installed latest version of the cingular communications manager.
5. Installed latest version of the Sierra Aircard 860 Watcher program.
6. Ordered, received and installed a replacement Aircard 860 from Cingular.

All above troubleshooting did not resolve the slow download speed.

Also ordered a new pcmcia adapter card from synchrotech which has the TI chipset on it rather than the Ricoh chipset (learned this from the cingular forums) part# ordered : PCM-CR-PC1 IC2 which I won't be able to install until we get back to Phoenix next week.

Any suggestions as to what I should do next are VERY welcome.

SOLUTION:
So I finally reformatted my HD and re-installed windows etc etc.
Now I'm downloading at respectable speeds for some reason.

Also the new pcmcia adapter card from synchrotech got rid of my connection issue where I was constantly losing connection and the card would lock up forcing a reboot. This synchrotech card is definately 100% more reliable than the ricoh chipset adapter card I was using before.DWL-500)


I can't wait until Intel/Sprint comes out with WIMAX next year and roll it out over 2+ years through out the US. It's definately something that can't be rolled out soon enough! Google "WIMAX" and read up on this if your thinking of buying any type of new hardware to access the internet while on the road!

regards,
mtndew


Posted By: pulsar on 11/26/06 08:00am

MtnDew,

Thank you for the update.

For others,
Here is a link to MtnDew's original post if you wnat to see what responses were given at the time.

Tom


Posted By: MoreMobile on 12/01/06 10:58pm

Roadpilot wrote:

We have a Kyocera KR1 mobile router and PC650 aircard that we use with Verizon's internet access service. My wife and I both have Dell laptops with Verizon cell phones.

The aircard works great plugged into either laptop (XP), but when plugged into the KR1 it is less robust. Specifically early in the morning it works pretty well but as the morning progresses and traffic builds on the towers it starts to terminate calls. When it drops calls frequently we pull the PC650 and pop it in one of the laptops and things work great.

Does Verizon somehow know we are using the KR1 with the PC650 and assign us low priority in their system? Do they care that two laptops are sharing the bandwidth? If so are their any work arounds?


No, Verizon does not know you are using a router. However, Verizon does not like or promote the usage of a router. They have instituted a 5GB limit per month on their "unlimited" plans. Still a good bit of data, but easier to go over the more you share the signal. Sprint, on the other hand, does not have such restrictions, and is a much better choice for router usage, plus they now have a Rev A (faster) network.


Posted By: MoreMobile on 12/01/06 11:03pm

Jackjagt wrote:

Communications on the road.
We solved our biggest frustration on-the-road, expensive ($3/min)cell phone plans, by going WiFi and VOIP.


Just curious, who was charging you $3 a minute for cell phone usage??


Posted By: hrendeavor on 12/04/06 05:42pm

I've been trying to contact Verizon because they cut my mobile office kit service off. I used it one summer where service was available which amounted to about 10 hours total. This past summer when I tried to use it I had no access to the internet. When I called Verizon and asked them about it they said I would have to pay a monthly fee and didn't have an explanation as to why I was cut from the service.

Does anyone know what might be the problem?


Posted By: MrWizard on 12/04/06 08:49pm

Quote:

ve been trying to contact Verizon because they cut my mobile office kit service off. I used it one summer where service was available which amounted to about 10 hours total. This past summer when I tried to use it I had no access to the internet. When I called Verizon and asked them about it they said I would have to pay a monthly fee and didn't have an explanation as to why I was cut from the service.

Does anyone know what might be the problem?


more INFO please

DID you change phones or do a contract change, what phone did you use then and what phone are you trying to use now

new phones need some setting changes made before it will work,

also if you changed phones you will need to install the software drivers for the new phone , you can't use the old windows connection , it's not the same modem-phone

also QNC 'quick net' is being phased out, you will need to use the 1x backdoor, it's faster anyway.

* This post was edited 12/20/06 01:23pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: Pineapple Kid on 01/01/07 11:01pm

I do need help also! I have Rotary dial electronic ability!

I just signed up for 2 years of Verizon Americas Choice with a
LG-VX8300 phone. ( I have a Toshiba Notebook)
I also purchased a Verizon Mobil office kit ( $39.99)
I read the pamphlets, all the pages on this topic on RV Net, and talk to the nice people at Verizon ( who I believe are; 1)trained to talk you into an expensive something you don,t want, 2)completely in LA LA Land when it comes to hooking up a computer to a cell phone )

Some of the pamphlets say you can not do it without paying for one of the two $59.99 services they offer ( Verizon )
Other pamphlets have small print references to charging you 1 1/2 cents per KB.
People on Web sites say just hook up and use your dial up ISP and Verizon will never know about it.

I want to connect on a rare occasion when I need to check and send E mail.(I will surf the web when I am in a free WI FI campground)
I have no idea in the world how much it would cost me if I had to pay 1 1/2 cents a KB to check my E Mail.
Verizon has told me begrudgingly after many pointed questions that I could purchase a unlimited minute Dial up type service with them without a 2 year commitment and just pay $59.99 a month for the time I used the service (as long as I had a cell phone plan with them also)
This seems to be the best choice or I just do without unless I can hook up through my dial up ISP like some say is possible.

Can someone help me make some sense out of all this?
Aloha from Kauai
Leon ( DBA Pineapple Kid )


Pineapple Kid Kauai, Hawaii

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2003 Jayco 243RKS fifth wheel (In California)


Posted By: DanaMc on 01/01/07 11:33pm

Pineapple Kid:

If you have the Verizon Office kit and the correct cable to connect your cell phone to the laptop, you should have all you "need" to make a dial-up connection that would use your normal cell phone plan minutes. If you dial up after 9 PM and weekends, it is free. Your connect speeds will not be blinding, i.e. 44kbs to perhaps 54 kbs. But to check webmail on a server somewhere and download normal messages with modest attachments here and there, it is not a terribly painful task. You DON'T need any other "plans" provided your ISP has a dial-up phone number you can use.

Most folks at any Verizon store truly do not have a grasp of the "solution" from one end to the other. The software in their "office" kit is the same as I recommended in the original thread of this topic. I still use it today and have only had to change my cable when I changed my phone. I did not purchase anything extra on my Verizon cell phone plan.

Hope this helps. Happy New Year!


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/02/07 02:09pm

the MOK gives you the cable, and the 'drivers', for the phone to function as a modem

you have several choices, as to how too do it.

the drivers must installed before anything will work

then

you can add the VZW access manager OR you can do with out it

connection possibilites

do you have a dialup number provided by your current ISP

if so , you might be able set up a NORMAL slow dialup connection to your ISP
this connection will function like any normal phone call, does NOT use VZW data network and will use your minutes

#2 setup the 1x backdoor connection, a little bit more work, will use your minutes, but will be faster than using dialup to your current ISP

#3 add the $59 data plan as a feature to your phone, this will give you broadband DSL like speeds, an unlimited access, NO minutes will be used from your plan, and as a feature on your voice line , it can be turned on/off added or removed on a monthly basis as needed, add it when your traveling for a few weeks, take it off when your home

here are the basic instructions for setting option 1 & 2

the only differences are the ID & PW & number dialed
for your ISP you will use the number they give you and your ID and PW

for the 1x backdoor , use the your 10digit cell number for ID and vzw for PW


so many people are getting NEW phones ( Vcast capable phones ) and want to use the 1x network connection, here are some directions, these are detailed for the lg 8100 on verizon, will work for the 8300 and 9800 and possibly the 5200

this works for my LG vx8100 and should work for your LG from verizon

press MENU

now press the number 0

the screen will say enter service code

now press 0 6 times

a new secret menu list will appear

look for NETWORK SELECT ( on my phone it is number 3 in the list )

choose NETWORK SELECT and press OK

another menu choose 'Mode Preference' press 1 or OK

another menu

with 4 choices

choose '1X Only'

press OK

this will lock the phone to 1x mode

now press END

it should work for you

If you need to setup the phones PC connection and DUN ( dialup networking )

that is also in the service menu

selection #4 'Data'

nothing about this will change your voice phone calls

VOICE calls do NOT use EvDo ( digital hybrid ) mode that you turned off

all you have done so far is , set the phone to act like older phones that did not have Ev-Do broadband data speed capability,

in the service menu under data, scroll down to PC connection and choose 'cable DUN' and choose enable and OK


all you need to do now is make sure the PW & ID are correct in your dialup connection settings

or create a new dialup connection

PW is VZW the ID is cellphonenumber@vzw3g.com

example 5551235656@vzw3g.com

the number to dial is #777


Create your connection

when you go to connect for the first time, click Properties, go to the "Security" Tab, then under security options, you need to select the radio button next to "Advanced (custom settings)" then click the settings button just to the right of the radio button..

when that dialog box comes up, under the "Allow These Protocols" section, you need to uncheck everything but the "Unencrypted Password (PAP)" option. Hit "OK" on the bottom, a dialog will come up saying something about if the connection uses one of the protocols that you just un-selected it wont work, just press "OK", then press "OK" again.. then you will be back at the login screen for the DUN connection.. Press "Connect" it should work from there..

I hope these directions help


Posted By: Pineapple Kid on 01/02/07 03:40pm

Many Alohas for the wonderful information! I will give it a go to see what will happen!
One question I still am concerned about is the reference to the charge of $0.015 cents per KB ? Is the dial up exempt from this? or will I get a real big surprise when I get my first bill?
Is what I am doing against Verizon's rules or just not advertised?
Would this be free on nights and weekends?

Aloha and Mahalo from Kauai
Leon ( DBA Pineapple Kid )


Posted By: MtnDew on 01/03/07 11:30pm

if you are wondering about the charge here's what I would do:
Make an internet connection during peak hours using your phone....download something worthwhile but not too big....maybe a song or some software or something (msft updates maybe)..look at your next statement and see if they charged you for the kb's you downloaded...if they didn't you should be safe...expect the minutes to be going against your plan if you call during peak hours though.
Also try a call during the weekend and download something and check next statement...neither the call nor the kb's should be charged against your plan. I've used verizon while on the road for a few years now and never have been charged for any data call and I stay connected for hours on end during the nights/weekends playing on line games...
Only way to find out about your particular situation is to actually try it and look at the statement.....(all plans are different depending when you initially signed up as their plan rules and regulations are forever changing so they can make a buck or 2)


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/04/07 02:20pm

the KB charge is always confusing to people , it is based on the idea of using data on a PDA/smart phone without the PDA monthly data plan a PDA does not ring up minutes when in data mode

when you use your phone to ( dialup )call YOUR ISP, it is just another phone call and uses minutes of your call plan

when you use the #777 backdoor on the 1x mode, it also uses minutes of your call plan,

data bytes are NOT counted, MINUTES are counted


Posted By: JerryBQ500 on 01/04/07 05:21pm

THANK YOU MR WIZARD. My old LG phone died and I replaced it with
a LG 8300 and also bought the music kit to get the cable. I then set up the phone like you said and it works GREAT thanks again.
Jerry B RC flyer


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Posted By: JimInMich on 01/04/07 06:19pm

MrWizard wrote:

the KB charge is always confusing to people , it is based on the idea of using data on a PDA/smart phone without the PDA monthly data plan a PDA does not ring up minutes when in data mode

when you use your phone to ( dialup )call YOUR ISP, it is just another phone call and uses minutes of your call plan

when you use the #777 backdoor on the 1x mode, it also uses minutes of your call plan,

data bytes are NOT counted, MINUTES are counted


I didnt read 24 pages to see if this was asked before.

I hear Sprint is starting to go after the customers using their phone for data transfers. Read it on a sprint user forum that Sprint can actually tell the difference of a data call and a voice call. of course, dailing in #777 could be their notice to start monitoring you.

Any confirmation on this?


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Posted By: The Weekenders on 01/04/07 06:29pm

We use a system called Telular at our radio station for sports broadcasts. It is a fixed wireless terminal that we use with our phone/mic mixer. We plug it into the terminal to call out on. It can also be used for regular phone calls (your home cordless phone can be plugged into it). Check out this link http://www.telular.com/products/product_display.asp?productID=69


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Posted By: TheCaptKen on 01/05/07 01:31pm

Just something I discovered. We changed over to Altel last month and our son loaded the program that allows us to use our laptops to make changes on our phones. Just easier to load music and phone numbers with the laptop. I discovered that I could access the internet thru the phone with the laptop. Before I got carried away and found myself in hock to the phone company, I phoned my agent today and asked about any charges. Since I have the Razr phone and it works like an internet card when connected via a usb cord, I could have unlimited internet access for $25 a month. So I signed up. When I checked the signal, it was as good as the service I get thru our cable company.


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Posted By: JimInMich on 01/06/07 05:57pm

Here is what I could find.
If you have an older phone, you might be ok. BUT, the newer phones that support EVDO can be monitored for data use. This stands for Sprint as well as Verison. So becareful.

Quote:



Sprint has turned on what is known as Modem NAI, a new tethering monitoring system in almost all Power Vision devices that will ensure that Power Vision phones have the required Phone-As-Modem plan to be able to connect to the internet. This includes the Sanyo MM-9000, Samsung MM-A900, MM-A920, and MM-A940. The only exception to this rule is the PPC-6700, which does not support Modem NAI, and will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan.

Customers who attempt to tether on an EV-DO phone without a PAM plan will receive either no error or an authentication failure message on their phone. Hackers on many sites have posted, and confirmed that there is an existing method on EV-DO Samsung phones to disable Modem NAI, for which Sprint PCS Info is currently providing coverage of.

Existing Vision devices will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan, though Sprint encourages those customers to sign up for a PAM plan.


There was a bunch more info, I just quoted the one that said it in the clearest terms.


Posted By: JimInMich on 01/06/07 08:22pm

2 new messages, from a couple Sprint users ( both who had turned off the NAI ).
1/2/07:
Quote:


guess I got caught. I had a $99.99 "PCS data" fee on my bill. That was a surprise. I got a new a900 recently and did the same things I did to my old one. Is there any kind of new changes that would enable them to see it.


Quote:


I guess I got caught too, I have done it briefly in the past with no problem. I decided to use the phone as a modem to do a quick speed test, and I checked my bill this month and had a $104 PCS Data charge. I am a powervision subscriber and still got charged


http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91508&page=21&pp=15

I'm only trying to protect new cell users, who might try this. Just beware you might get caught.


Posted By: TheCaptKen on 01/07/07 09:52am

I guess that fear is what drove me to call first. I just tried my cellphone connection for the real first time and the speed test gave me a connection speed of 879.5 Kilobits. Not as fast as the cable modem here at the house but not shabby. I'm using it currently and seems to do real well for $25 a month. Heck my service at the house is $39 a month.


Posted By: JJnLilly on 01/08/07 06:13am

Wonder if this is the case for older vision capable phones. I have an old Sanyo 4900 that I tether when on the road????


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/09/07 02:09am

Quote:



Sprint has turned on what is known as Modem NAI, a new tethering monitoring system in almost all Power Vision devices that will ensure that Power Vision phones have the required Phone-As-Modem plan to be able to connect to the internet



verizon has already done this, AFAIK it started with the 8100

so the 8100 8300 8500 8600 9800 9900 LG phones have this, and likely some other models


but it only affects using the EVDO network, puting the phone in 1xOnly mode for the 1x backdoor ( using minutes ) completely negates the EVDO NAI concern on the verizon network


Posted By: tnpopatop on 01/10/07 09:40pm

I called Verizon today and was going to order a Mobile Office Kit and perhaps a new phone so I could occasionally tether to my computer if I really had to when Wi-Fi was not available.
They told me there was no way for me to hook up my computer to a cell phone without paying for unlmited access whether it be national access or broadband. I dialed 611 from my phone and talked to technical support for Mobile Office Kit / aircards. They too said I only had 2 options and both were the same fee for unlimited access.
So now I don't know what to do! Thought about buying a Mobile Office Kit for my Old LG VX5200 off of e-bay for $20 and just following the directions from some of these posts and see if it works.
I have been a Verizon customer for over 10 years and have always had varied customer service. A little of a year ago I spent nearly 5 hours convincing them that Onstar could be linked up with Verizon and added to my family plan. After about 16 transfers somebody got me hooked up but took about 2 days for it to start working.


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/11/07 01:14am

never never talk to VZW corp about tethering on MINUTES of uSE on National Access

vzw doesn't promote that service any more.. yes it works and yes you are using minutes of your call plan, but corporate makes more money if they sell you a data plan for internet use.

so if even though they used to promote MOU, they NO longer promote MOU, because you have FREE nights and weekends, so the MOU doesn't add any money to to the coffers when your burning free minutes, people won't set on the phone and talk all night, BUT they will play on the internet all night..

so CS is not allowed to talk about MOU even though they used to push it..before there was free nights & weekends

http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.........d/15038442/gotomsg/18594092.cfm#18594092

edited to include the link

* This post was edited 01/12/07 07:15pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: Montana Ultra Runner on 01/12/07 07:06pm

Thanks for the instructions Mr. Wizard. I ALMOST bought an LG VX8300 to replace my old LG 4400. Verizon told me I would have to pay their $59.00 monthly fee (plus all the taxes) to use the MOK with the 8300.

I've decided to baby my 4400 and make do until it dies. Then I'll deal with the 8300 and your instructions.

I learned so much on this forum three years ago. I've been using my 4400 and MOK to access the internet on my laptop since I retired in 2004. Works great when I don't have a free WIFI hotspot.

Have others had success using Mr. Wizard's instructions?

Thanks again.


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Posted By: Pineapple Kid on 01/14/07 12:08am

MrWizard

Two quick Questions?
1)How does one get their phone re programmed to the original settings if need be?
2) Are the original settings a default settings that the phone could return to by itself under certain conditions such as battery change etc?
Aloha from Kauai
Leon ( DBA Pineapple Kid )


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/14/07 12:22am

these settings affect only 2 things, staying off the EVDO network and making your internet connection

if you are using the mobile web, and need the EVDO, you only have to go back to service menu on the phone and reset the network select to the 'first setting' on the list, digital hybrid mode

the DUN enable and PC settings need NOT be reset, but the same menus used to set them can be used to change them back

although some users have said that doing a calling #228 and choosing option 1 , program phone, has reset their sets to default, but i belive that varies from one phone model to the next


Posted By: tripple dipper on 01/14/07 04:02am

I just got new phones LG5300 which are 1X and tried the Internet hook up and it worked so for no data charge on my phone will have to wait for next bill to be sure. I am using the bluetooth to connect my phone and laptop.

* This post was edited 01/14/07 10:42am by tripple dipper *


Posted By: jwendt on 01/21/07 03:19pm

Glad most of you had good luck--I didn't!--I bought a kit from alltel
to hook up to my cell phone--got into Texas with no luck getting onthe web--my friend bought a card from e-bay and got all kinds of web access---
Alltel refunded with no hassle and I purchased a card(e-bay) that will access the IN through altell for 65$--they charge 25$ and can be put on hold anytime.--(beat their program for a 2 year contract)
my e-mail is jwendt14@cox.net if you need any more info


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/21/07 08:15pm

jwendt wrote:

Glad most of you had good luck--I didn't!--I bought a kit from alltel
to hook up to my cell phone--got into Texas with no luck getting onthe web--my friend bought a card from e-bay and got all kinds of web access---


I would take that to mean that , altel does NOT have 'data connection roaming " agreements regarding cellphones, but does for aircards, or even that their aircard service is just rebranded VZW,


Posted By: sowego on 02/04/07 06:30am

We also use Verizon to dial up the Internet while traveling. It is slow but better than nothing. We bought the cable and a phone that can be used as a modem hooked to the laptop. We did not have to buy a larger plan but we aren't on the most basic plan either. One must certainly make sure you are not roaming and have good strong signal before connecting. We were not able to get the software and found out after talking to a Verizon cust. ser. rep. on the phone we did not need it. He helped us create the connection. We use MSN Explorer to collect our hotmail account and do our web searches. It all works very well.

The newest deal Verizon and other companies have with true high speed available only in certain areas is faster but much more expensive. The only cost we have with Verizon is the phone service and the cost of the phone & cable.

If you add a WiFi card you will increase your speed when in an area where you can find the signal.


Posted By: jwendt on 02/11/07 09:18pm

I tried the cable to cell phone connection with very little luck-- (alltel)
my friend purchase a card from ebay and connected to alltel with great luck.
Altell did allow me to return the cable, I'll try the card next time


Posted By: burlmart on 02/21/07 06:18am

I have carefully read ALL of this thread and followed many posts on the Yahoo Group InternetByCellphone.

I have a desktop running Windows XP Home Edition and, mostly as a test, have tried to set up my verizon lg vx3300 for the 1xrtt nrtwork using the drivers found on the following commercial site

http://www.cellphonemall.net/wireless/store/accessorydetail.asp?id=43904&phoneid=626

To avoid waiting on a mail order, I bought - and returned - a cable from radio shack that proved incompatible with the vx3300.

If I thought I would be successful, I would venture to order the cable pictured in the link above. But even if it does work on my XP desktop, I still wonder what good it will be since I will soon be in the market for a laptop for the RV, and the new laptops run Windows Vista.

My concern here is that people on this thread and the yahoo group have reported 1xrtt setup software incompatibility with XP Media Center Edition, which makes me even more concerned that the drivers and cable may not work at all on Windows Vista.

Any advice is appreciated.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 02/21/07 11:17am

it more of a MFG & issue than a windows Vista issue, the reports on HOFO verizon forums are mixed, some plug in the phone windows recognizes it and loads the drivers, others have trouble getting the PC to talk to phone

this is more to do with the ON BOARD USB hardware & the drivers of this hardware and the PC bios , being up to speed with Vista's requirements

buy your cable from Verizon ( yeah it cost more a whole $39 ) but the cable and the drivers will be correct, MOK or MEK doesn't make any difference for our useage, one comes with dialer software on doesnt't, NOT important, they both come with the correct cable & drivers to make nice with windows

then take your phone with you when shop for a VISTA laptop.

plug the cabled phone into the laptop and see what windows does ?


Posted By: strollin on 02/21/07 01:39pm

MrWizard wrote:

... buy your cable from Verizon ( yeah it cost more a whole $39 ) but the cable and the drivers will be correct, MOK or MEK doesn't make any difference for our useage, one comes with dialer software on doesnt't, NOT important, they both come with the correct cable & drivers to make nice with windows ...


I helped my sister get setup to connect to the 'net with her Verizon cellphone (Audiovox 8910) attached to her new laptop that is running Vista. I wasn't quite sure whether the drivers that came with the cable would work with Vista but they loaded fine and we were able to connect to the Verizon network.

I personally avoid using the Verizon cables unless there is no alternative since they are more expensive and don't charge the phone thru the USB.

--Bruce


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/21/07 04:02pm

strollin wrote:

MrWizard wrote:

... buy your cable from Verizon ( yeah it cost more a whole $39 ) but the cable and the drivers will be correct, MOK or MEK doesn't make any difference for our useage, one comes with dialer software on doesnt't, NOT important, they both come with the correct cable & drivers to make nice with windows ...


I helped my sister get setup to connect to the 'net with her Verizon cellphone (Audiovox 8910) attached to her new laptop that is running Vista. I wasn't quite sure whether the drivers that came with the cable would work with Vista but they loaded fine and we were able to connect to the Verizon network.

I personally avoid using the Verizon cables unless there is no alternative since they are more expensive and don't charge the phone thru the USB.

--Bruce


yes but the last 3 new phones I have gotten, the cable from the MEK kit has a connection socket in the cable line for connecting the charger so the charger plugs into this socket just like it would on the phone and the phone is charged will in use, i leave these cables permanently connected together and every time i plug the phone in , its getting charged, this seems to be a standard thing now

its this way on the lg8100,8300,8500,8600,9900,and the samsung u740


Posted By: burlmart on 02/22/07 04:22am

Thanks for the Vista info. I am more confident that it will work with the phone. I know that my dial-up internet, Netscape, will not, as they have explicitly stated that they won't update to work w/ Vista.

When I mention our LG VX3300 phone to Verizon store people, they act incredulous that anyone ever bought one, let alone that it could possibly warrant any accessories. Yet this was the phone they were pushing 18 months back.

Suffice it to say they are not helping much (at least by phone) with locating a compatible cable, and after the radio shack adventure, I do want to buy from brick and mortar in the event of another incompatibility - I have no problem buying a $40 cable from Verizon, but can you help me determine which specific kit will do the trick with the LG VX3300? I would really appreciate it.


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/22/07 12:57pm

I think your phone uses the same cable as the LG vx3200
the turn over ( churn) of sales people in verizon cell phone stores is very high
typically young people who get enough experinece to then move on to something else

if it isn't the newest fashion accessory-trend, their minds are a blank

have you tried an ebay search for 'verizon MOK' that can be a good place to find one, often unopened and at 1/2 the price


Posted By: pulsar on 02/22/07 01:02pm

MrWizard wrote:

I think your phone uses the same cable as the LG vx3200
the turn over ( churn) of sales people in verizon cell phone stores is very high
typically young people who get enough experinece to then move on to something else

if it isn't the newest fashion accessory-trend, their minds are a blank

have you tried an ebay search for 'verizon MOK' that can be a good place to find one, often unopened and at 1/2 the price



For what it is worth: The part number for the LG VX3200 cable is

CLGIM09-03S

Or least that is what is on my cabled purchase at the same time as I got my LG VX3200 phone.

Tom


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/22/07 01:07pm

I am connected via 1x DUN with the NEW Samsung u740 cellphone, this connection will use call minutes Use Sparingly or use at night & weekend minutes you have to set the phone to CDMA and then set the PORT setting for 'data' to USB this is thru the service menu here is the speed test, THIS IS 1X NOT EVDO ......................... :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 151 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 18 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2007/02/22 - 12:10pm Bottom Line:: 3X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 56.89 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 31.469 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 9.33 % of your hosts average (myvzw.com) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-R2E4UPID1 User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1 [!] nothing has been tweaked, this is 1x NOT broadband, your speed may vary here is the phone setup menu/tools press # press 000000 (4) port map ......(1) data choose one ............(2) USB ............(3) bluetooth ......(2) diag choose one ............(2) USB ............(3) Bluetooth (6) Force Mode ........HYBRID MODE ........CDMA only this one for 1x DUN ........EVDO only this is a typical situation/setup for verizon NEW phones the sammy is a little different than LG but not much, it took about 30 minutes for the whole setup do this part first then install the phone driver software make dialup connection setup in windows ( internet connections ) choosing the Samsung modem i posted all this to show you, the 1x connection is still a live an well even with BRAND new phones, this phone is 4 days OLD NO it didn't take me 4 days to figure it out, i just got around to switching over from the LG vx9900, and likely I will go back to that phone because it is my favorite phone and yes i'm a gadget freak my Son will probably end up with this phone because the DW loves her LG vx8100

Note: Due to invalid formatting, all formatting has been ignored.


Posted By: burlmart on 02/22/07 02:20pm

At 3 times dial-up, which is all I have at home, I want to set up the lg vx3300 here just for the occasion when I need a big file download.

I called the local verizon store and the guy said the MOK for the lg vx8100 should have a cable compatible with the vx3300.

Can anybody confirm this, since he has 2 in stock!

On Edit: I just looked in the phone mauual and undet a section called
'PC Connection' it says

'Allows you to select the data port.
1. Press {Left Menu Key} 6 6 1
2. Select USBC/RS-232C/Closed then press {OK Key}'

If this was not done prior to my hooking up the radio shack cable, is it possible that this is why windows did not recognize the phone. I am starting to think maybe I had a good cable...I had installed the driver for the phone already.

* This post was edited 02/22/07 03:29pm by burlmart *


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/22/07 04:35pm

my wifes 8100 and HER backup 3200 have different cables the 8100 is 7 months old the 3200 is 31 months old

your 3300 is 18 months,

if the store is close enough I would go look, but i wouldn't buy it , unless he open the box and tried the cable in the vx3300 and it fit


Posted By: burlmart on 02/23/07 03:57am

Got the MOK for the lg vx8100,8300,9800, but the data cable seems dead to windows - there is no ping pong when it isplugged into the USB port. Like the Radio Shack cable, the cable fits the phone fine, but even the radio shack phone caused windows to make an odd ping pong sound.

I understand now what the 6 6 1 setting was about, and realize we probably had set that correctly with the radio shack (and verizon) cables.

Who would I contact higher up at Verizon to complain of lousey support of their product? (Do not feel that the store people value my $43/mo check to VZW as much as I do, and wonder if anyone higher up would.) I should expect service and to be able to list the part number you guys mentioned and have verizon provide it to me ASAP.

I am a bit leary now about ordering third party parts thru mail after two cables that didn't do trick - just too many compatibility issues of soft/hardware.

I will try one more thing before returning the cable. I had loaded drivers and software from the cellphonemall site, and will try their manual connection procedure outlined as follows:

Manual Install of the Modem
4) Download, Unzip ? LG Modem Drivers
5) Open Device Manager (Control Panel ? System ? Hardware Tab)
Verify the “Prolific USB Data Cable” (or similar) Exists in the port section, and note the Com Port that it uses (Com(4) or similar)
6) Control Panel ? Phone and Modem ? Modems Tab.
Click Add ? Check “Don’t Detect My Modem” and Click Next ? Have Disk ? Point to location of file stored in Step 4, Click OK? Select “Verizon Wireless Phone”, Click Next ? Select Com port (from Step 5), Click Next ? Click Yes to message that indicates that the driver is not digitally signed ? Click Finish.

On Edit: No luck. Looked at DataPilot,FutureDial, and radioshack's Mobile Access product sites and there seems to be a difference of opinion as to how similar vx3200 and vx3300 are, and as to whether the vx3300 can even work as a modem.

* This post was edited 02/23/07 07:02am by burlmart *


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/23/07 02:43pm

the MOK has a disc with the drivers

the setup is in USER CHOICE steps

just install the drivers from the cd

you MUST install the drivers BEFORE you plug the cable into the PC

do NOT have windows do an AUTO install search etc..

AFTER the drivers are installed , reboot the PC, after the PC has finished booting plug the cable into the PHONE FIRST, then plug the cable into the PC

decide which USB port you want to use and ALWAYS use the same port, or you are going to get errors the next time you use the phone as a modem

windows will find the phone and finish the setup , this will take a minute or two, NOW you can create a new dialup connection choosing the 3300 modem

the number to dial is #777

your ID is your cellnumber xxxxxxxxxx@vzw3g.com

the PW is vzw

make sure the connection properties advance has 'allow unencrypted password'

protocols check mark the PAP box

uncheck all the rest

if you see a wait for dial tone box make sure its NOT checked

and DON"T forget IF your phone has EVDO-vcast , the phone must be PUT in CDMA/digital mode only NO EVDO

I don't know if the 3300 has evdo, I know the 3200 doesnot

* This post was edited 02/23/07 02:51pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: burlmart on 02/24/07 06:07am

Thanks for all the help.

I was unsuccessful, but will probably dig back into it later - don't have a notebook PC yet anyway.


Posted By: dchasteen on 03/09/07 08:26am

My husband and I both have LG5200 cell phones. We have one Verizon Office Kit but we can use both phones giving us hours of access to the internet on nights and weekends for free with the America's Choice Plan. At home our dial up speed is 49.3. Normally, we get
115 or better with the cell phones. So we use them at home as well as on the road. We do not have access to DSL nor Cable where we live.
This phone also has a camera.

We cannot use the Verizon Air Card from our home location. I tried one on a trip to Florida and it was wonderful; but you have to stay
close to the major highway. When we came home and tried it, even
though we could use the cell phones, we could not use the air card.
We do have the Wilson Truck Antennae, and it helps when we go to the
lake, etc.

Verizon is our choice of carriers because we are in the trucking business and all our drivers have Verizon;(they seem to cover more remote areas) so that we can call within the network at no charge.


FL60 Freightliner-Crew Cab, Air ride suspension, seats and hitch. 2002 Carriage LS with IS Mor-Ryde.


Posted By: forestcamper on 03/09/07 04:47pm

We are contemplating buying a power booster for our cell phone. Looking for better send/receive signal in rural areas. Is it worth the $200 (plus or minus) expense?


Posted By: Index Jeff on 03/12/07 11:14am

MrWizard wrote:


I would take that to mean that , altel does NOT have 'data connection roaming " agreements regarding cellphones, but does for aircards, or even that their aircard service is just rebranded VZW,


I think that alltel has some sort of agreement with Sprint, when it comes to EVDO.


Yeh... That'll work.



Posted By: phitur on 04/15/07 09:58am

I am using the SAmsung u740 and I am trying to enable it as a modem for my PDA and laptop. I am currently working with the iPAQ PDA and have entered the settings that MrWizard listed above. However, when I try to connect, I get an error that I have the wrong user I or password. I have done this several times, all with the same effect. I am trying to connect with the phone's bluetooth conenction. Any help?

Thanks!


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/16/07 11:57pm

you really should check, www.howardforums.com for your carrier ( vzw ? ) and the carrier's PDA sub-forum

iPaq is not the same operating system as windows, the settings i listed are for windows OS to connect to LG phones and the the ipaq will have settings unique to that device

you also have to make sure that the u740 is set to 1X only.


Posted By: nanadean on 04/20/07 07:47am

Ok, I want to ask a plain english questions and hope someone can answer it so that I can understand.
DH wants to buy me a new cell phone, that is fine, we are with Alltel. He wants to get the internets stuff to go with it. My question is does the time I am on the internet either from my computer at home or my cellphone does it go against my minutes and are there any hidden charges. I am not totaly computer illeteret but I don't want to get a cell phone bill that will give me heart failure.
We are looking at new laptops but not sure when we purchase one and my desktop at home runs Windows 98, will this make any difference.
Hope someone can help me.
Thanks
Dean


Dean and Darrell
2006 Rockwood Roo 233
2007 Toyota Tundra (His)
2002 Trailblazer EXT (Hers)
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Lazy Shih Tzu (Gizmo who camps with us)
Black Lab (Sadie, who stays home and guards the homefront)


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/20/07 04:20pm

the 'software drivers' for the phone to function as a modem, should be availble for both 98 & xp, watch out for vista, some people have NO problem others do

if you purchase the 'data plan' option from altel, it will NOT affect your plan minutes in any way,

many of us on Verizon, use the 1x backdoor, which does use plan minutes , so we go online at nights.. data plan is an addition to your voice plan, NO minutes are used


Posted By: mikestock on 04/22/07 06:25pm

I have a Motorola v325i Verizon phone which already has a mini USB connection on the bottom which also serves as a charging port. When I hook it up to my computer using XP the computer recognizes the phone.

Where do I go from there to use the phone as my modem? I would like to be able to use my plan minutes or free night and weekend minutes.

We are planning an extended cross country trip in three weeks and I would love to be able to keep in touch and pay bills.

Thanks


2005 F250 Crew Cab LWB Power Stroke, 2007 Montana 3500RL Fifth Wheel,Honda EU3000IS, Twin Honda EU2000i's, S&W security system



Posted By: MrWizard on 04/22/07 10:18pm

go here http://www.igonemobile.com/downloads/index.aspx

scroll down the list and download the driver for your phone, that will make it possible to use it as a modem

then see the Verizon setup info in this thread, I have LG and smasung but the basic setup info ' PW & number to dial, encryption setup-NONE ' are the same for ALL verizon phones, only differences are some difference in access thru the phone menus, all the PC side is the same for ALL vzw phones

other people on here have the moto's the info is HERE in this thread


Posted By: mikestock on 04/23/07 04:10pm

Got it. Thanks!

* This post was last edited 04/23/07 07:54pm by mikestock *


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/03/07 11:49am

new phone SamSung u620 cellphone with mobile TV

all setup and posting using 1x backdoor, yeah right now, got to watch the minutes

same modem settingsin WinXP differetn modem choice (u620)

slighly different menu sccess on the sammy to set it in '1x only mode'

but it all works, i'm even using bluetooth to connect the phone and PC, NO cable

belive me, setting up the cable is easier than the 'first time' BlueTooth setup

after it's all setup its a PieCe of cake


Posted By: amacrae on 05/20/07 06:16pm

jflanagan wrote:

Great post.

For those that haven't tried this yet, keep in mind that you cannot recieve a phone call while your phone is being used as a modem.

Now that dedicated data cards are down to $49 to $149, it might be worth picking one up.

Also, at least verizon is slowly expanding their broadband access service (which their $149 cards are forward compatible with) and it offers 300kbps-2mbps speeds. They'll probably have phones soon that are compatible with it too. They might already. But I'd rather have a pcmcia card in my laptop for $149 than tie up my cell phone.

$80/month is a lot, but verizon (and probably other carriers) have started monitoring bandwidth and have the right to shut down your data connection if they figure out you're using the phone as a modem tethered to your PC to avoid paying the $79/mo.

Joe


Just returned from a trip to Norway. I have a GSM phone there, with service from Telenor. Nokia N70 GPRS/EDGE capable on a 3G GSM system. Make and receive voice calls while surfing the internet on my Mac, connected to the phone via Bluetooth. Someday we'll have that kind of service in the US.


Alan
2007 Roadtrek RS Adventurous
FMCA F386555
W1ALM


Posted By: phitur on 05/20/07 10:18pm

But, how do you use your phone as a modem with verizon if you don't pay the $70?


Posted By: pulsar on 05/21/07 07:25am

phitur wrote:

But, how do you use your phone as a modem with verizon if you don't pay the $70?


See this post in this thread.

Tom


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/23/07 09:54pm

i recieve calls when i'm on the internet, haven't tried making any.. and i'm with verizon, if they call an its busy it goes to my voice mail, if their really desperate nad its an emg they can call the DW's phone


Posted By: tuwood on 05/27/07 03:48pm

I'm using Cingular's data connect plan on my cellphone & I can receive calls when I'm online. However, it does put your data call "on hold" so you can't surf any more while your on the phone, but it does keep you connected.

I'm actually posting this message over it from the campsite in Onawa, IA.


Tony & Misty
2006 Damon Challenger 372 Ford V10



Posted By: burlmart on 06/02/07 06:49am

Was considering taking Verizon up on a new phone to update the lg vx3300 we have. We like its simplicity and (as far as we can tell) apparent signal reception strength, but lack of mok availability and any advantages posed by newer technology are reasons to possibly switch.

We want an easy to use, strong signal receiver, simple to use 1xrtt backdoor, and, importantly, one for which verizon will be sure to have a mobile office kit at the store.

Any strong recommendations are appreciated.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/02/07 02:49pm

lg8300, lg9900, and maybe the samsung u740

I say maybe because the screen is dual flip and it has a full keyboard with tiny keys

the LG9900 enV is my favorite phone, its fairly easy to set these phones for 1x only and use the 1x dialup
and they have very good signal reception, i think the 9900 is the strongest performer, but it is bigger and heavier than the other (2) choices OR your 3300 flip phone. the LG vx8100 is also a very good phone but it was replaced by the 8300 and you may not be able to find one, i actually like the 8100 more than the 8300, because the outside display is larger

edit

many phones are listed as having MEK not MOK

mobile entertainment kit

cable, phone drivers, but NO connection software, just music transfer software

no problem, i create my connections setups in windows, the details are in this thread

* This post was edited 06/02/07 07:36pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: burlmart on 06/04/07 06:50am

Thanks for these leads.

If we want to take out the variable of properly turning off the EcDO via the phone's menus, so as to ensure the simplest 1x hookup, can you add some of the non-EvDO sets to this list?


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/04/07 11:03am

almost everything that came out since 2005 has, EVDO - vcast capability, if your looking specifically for a phone that does NOT, it will be very hard to find , you will need to look at a used or 'new old stock' older phone

with LG the 8000 , 8100, 8300, 8500, 8600, 9800, 9900, 9400 tv phone & the new 8700, all are vcast evdo

same for almost all Motorola & Samsung model

its very easy to turn the evdo off on an LG phone only takes about a minute

i've done it so many times i can do it one handed in about 20 seconds on my phones

edit removed misprint: gzone phone also has evdo


Posted By: rv-n-agin on 06/06/07 02:33pm

Wy doesn't Verizon offer high speed data service by the day like they do with GPS? I would be willing to pay a rediculous price by the day if I didn't have to sign up for a month at $80. I only need it occasionally.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/06/07 03:09pm

consisdering an aircard doesn't have a keypad and must be mounted in the PC how would get online to activate for the day/24hrs ?

any cell device cannot dial unless it is activated, if its NOT activated, it can't connect to be activated

thats why when you have problems, a dead phone, tempoary disconnect, what ever, you have to call from another phone

I suppose you could call customer service from your cellphone, and give them all the info account number , card ID etc, and ask for a 24hr turn on

I don't envision VZW offering this service as the logistics out weight the revenue to be gained

get a vzw cellphone, the data plan can be added as a feature, it can be turned ON/OFF at anytime by calling CS, yes it will be a prorated charge, what is the pro-rate ? I don't know..

having the $59 data plan, the phone uses the same EVDO broadband network as the aircard, use it for a week turn it off

if you have a different carrier ask them if its available


Posted By: phitur on 06/06/07 11:39pm

Mr. Wizard, what software do you recommend for using the enV as a modem? Any "free" software out there that will get the job done? Also, does it matter if you use Bluetooth or USB?

Thanks


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/08/07 12:51am

if you have BT on you PC, that is all you need for making the connection, NO other software is needed, you just have to turn the BT on, and choose BT for the PC connection in the phone menu, and set the phone to 1xonly in the hidden service menu

if you want to use a USB cable you will need the 'driver' for the phone, if you want to do it this way I recommend you buy the MEK from VZW because it comes with the disc that has the driver and the cable has a port for plugging in the charger, so you can charge the battery while connected to the PC and stay on as long as you want , with out worring about the phone battery going down

you do not need any special connection software, I do not trust ebay cheap cables, most of the time you get a disc that has incorrect driver software that won't work with the phone and then you have to hunt for a DL on the web

my laptop does not have built in BT, i had to buy a bt dongle, and that turned into a comdey of errors, one worked bueautiful but the bundeled software was a 'trial version' and the buy button would not work, went to website downloaded the update ver still a trial andstill the button wouldn't work

dongle number 2, was pita to set up and and crashes the PC with the BSOD without any kind of notice of a problem

if you have builtin working BT use it.. IF not, buy the mek from vzw, the factory cables are always the best ones


Posted By: rvjer on 06/15/07 07:46pm

I have a Toshiba laptop that has BT but it has to be installed. When I try to install the driver it asks me to connect the device I am using. I want to use my Motorola V325i phone but with the BT running on the phone the laptop will not recognize it nor will the phone recognize the laptop.

The question, How to install the BT driver? Do I need to have an adapter for the laptop to work


Jerry
2003 35-E Bounder
2006 Saturn Vue FWD toad



Posted By: phitur on 06/16/07 05:06pm

I have an LG 9900 and I am trying to use it as a DUN modem. I have followed all of the instructions in the post that you sent me the link to, but I have not had success conencting. I am in NM and I used the phonenumber@vzw3g.com and the password in all caps, VZW. I modified the security settings for the conenction and the settings on the phone for 1x only. When I dial, the phone dials three times and is disconnected within a few seconds each time. The message I get on the computer is user ID or password wrong.

Ok, scratch all that, I just redid it and changed the password to vzw, lower case, and it connected, woohoo! THank you very much for the help!

Ok, another challenge: I'm trying to connect my PDA through my cell. I did everything and get the same message as in the first paragraph. It's an HP running Pocket PC 5.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/16/07 05:40pm

glad you got it going

the PDA, this problem is usually the result of the PDA , sending an encrypted PW not an open unencrypted text PW,

verizon DUN only accepts NON encrypted, thats the reason for specifing the non-encrytion in windows modem settings

you will need to find the settings on the PDA or the script file for the PDA that sets the PDA to that format when sending to a modem

try the PDA forums on Howardforums.com

I don't have 1st hand info, about any particular PDA


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/16/07 05:51pm

rvjer wrote:

I have a Toshiba laptop that has BT but it has to be installed. When I try to install the driver it asks me to connect the device I am using. I want to use my Motorola V325i phone but with the BT running on the phone the laptop will not recognize it nor will the phone recognize the laptop.

The question, How to install the BT driver? Do I need to have an adapter for the laptop to work


your BT in the PC is either turned on and working or it isn't

check the devices in the control panel and in systems / hardware

if everything is enabled, then the bt is working

the driver for the onboard BT hardware should already be installed and running, and it should be on the DISCs that came with the PC

for connecting the V3 via bt, you need to use the phone menus & the my bluetooth on the PC

you have to set the phone to pair and the PC to discovery,

one device will find the other, then a window will pop up asking if you want to pair, then another window asking for password

the default is usualy a series of zeros like 0000 or 00000

PHONE

menu / settings & TOOLS / bt menu / add new device

it should the n display the PC name 'could take a minute'

after that its choose the pc and click 'pair'


Posted By: rvjer on 06/17/07 08:11am

MrWizard,

I guess mine isn't turned on. When I check through control panel, no BT shows at all, yet there is a BT monitor that is turned on. I went to Toshiba tools and under the BT section all it says is to turn the monitor on, it doesn't tell you how. On the recovery disks that came with the laptop the only option it gives me is to reinstall back to original configuration. I see no way to only install drivers.

If I just bought a BT adapter and plugged it into the USB port would that work?

TIA Jerry


MrWizard wrote:


your BT in the PC is either turned on and working or it isn't

check the devices in the control panel and in systems / hardware

if everything is enabled, then the bt is working

the driver for the onboard BT hardware should already be installed and running, and it should be on the DISCs that came with the PC


Moderator's edit: Corrected the quote tags

* This post was edited 06/17/07 08:20am by an administrator/moderator *


Posted By: phitur on 06/17/07 09:53am

Rvjer, I was experiencing a similar problem with the built in BT on my tablet PC. The PC is still under warranty and I intend to pursue that avenue to get it fixed, if it's broken. I suspect that it may be, or that it is a software problem with the OS and an update to the driver may help. I did purchase a really cheap BT dongle from Fry's when I was out there (that place is awesome). It was about $15 and it works great on the tablet to connect to my cell. I bought it for another system, but it solves the problem on the tablet until I get it fixed.

I think you have several options: First, I would look for drivers online for your system to see if you can update it that way. If that doesn't work, I'd call Toshiba directly and ask for help with the solution. If it's under warranty, I'd ask them to fix it if it's more than a driver or software fix. All that doesn't pan out and I'd get a cheap dongle. Should work.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/17/07 11:10am

one more piece of the puzzle ?

is this a Verizon v3 or some other carrier ?

we didn't clarify and i'm assuming, because it makes a world of difference, i have NO experience with other carriers

in the menu system usually somewhere under call settings ( its varies with mfg ) is a setting for your PC connection, usb serial BT ,

it will be labled something like PC commection, data connection, or PORT map,

you need to find that on the V3 and set it to BT

on the samsung it is in the hidden service menu

on my lg enV it is accessed thru the settings menu

I don't have moto so i don't have the exact instructions, they will be on HOFO in the vzw moto sub forum, if i find them before you , i will post them
check here
v3 & v3m thread contains info and links

* This post was edited 06/17/07 12:36pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: phitur on 06/17/07 08:52pm

I Was able to get my PDA to connect to the Verizon service, but then it was asking me for an IP address. I had the IP address set to auto and the DNS server addresses; however, it was not able to pick one up automatically. I tried to manually input some information that I obtained from my computer conenction, but it did no good. This is on Verizon. Any suggestions?


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/17/07 09:56pm

no IP address is needed by verizon dialup, this is somethng in the PDA setup, thers must be a default setting or a by pass, likely it is a script command.


Posted By: rvjer on 06/17/07 10:35pm

MrWizard wrote:

one more piece of the puzzle ?

is this a Verizon v3 or some other carrier ?

we didn't clarify and i'm assuming, because it makes a world of difference, i have NO experience with other carriers


MrWizard,
Yes this is a Verizon V3251 Motorola phone. I am traveling for the next couple of months so I may not be able to get on line really regular, please bear with me.


Posted By: phitur on 06/17/07 10:44pm

I checked my DUN connection through my computer and verizon had assigned an IP address to it. It must have an IP to be able to connect to a network and gain access to the internet. While you are connected, open a command prompt by hitting the windows key and "r" together and type "cmd". In the command prompt, type "ipconfig /all" and you'll see the IP and DNS that have been assigned through verizon to your computer. Your computer should be on DHCP to have these automatically assigned. The PDA is on auto as well, but something is preventing it from picking up the IP.

I was able to connect with no problem through a friend's phone on another carrier, but no luck on Verizon. I also tried someone elses PDA with the same result on this phone through Verizon. I contacted HP, but they were no help. It sure would be nice to get that working, if it's possible.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/18/07 05:16pm

here is a link

but the porcess for using a PDA is a bit more intensive, you have to use several specail programs to access and modify a file in the phones internal memory, in order to get the phone to work with the PDA, because the pda does not work the same as the PC.

here is the link

http://mark.cdmaforums.com/NoPapDun.htm

you might want to stick with using the PC, and then sync the pda with the pc for data exchange, instead of using the PDA to access the net

another alterantive is to pay vzw 459 a month for the data feature
in order to use the PDA, they'll even help you set it up.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/18/07 08:34pm

what PDA model, HP pda is a broad description


Posted By: phitur on 06/22/07 08:54am

It's an iPAQ 2790 with Bluetooth.


Posted By: FWMCBigFoot on 06/23/07 04:53pm

I have T-Mobile service, unlimited internet access, through a dedicated air-card that is plugged into the side of my laptop. The air-card has it's own phone number if I choose to send a text message. The aircard was $150 at a T-Mobile store. I'm on it right now at home. The service is faster than dial up but not as fast as I was expecting. It's neat to have internet access while driving down the road or in a remote campground too. I also found T-Mobile to be the least expensive by as much as half price of all the cell phone carriers I checked.


Jim
Practicing in the Rolling Project for retirement.



Posted By: WylieWanderings on 06/26/07 10:13am

I went with your suggestion and purchased the enV and am setting it up...when I get to #4 data on the menu, I have 4 choices: 1.PortMap (Data) 2.PortMap (Diag) 3.Diag Baud (UART) 4. MIP Setting.

Which one of these should I choose to set up through my ISP's dial up number?

Thanks bunches!


2012 Heartland Road Warrior 305, 2007 Chevy 3500HD Duramax/Allison dually

"Content makes poor men rich; discontent makes rich men poor."- Benjamin Franklin


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/26/07 01:27pm

your ISp dial up number is set in windows not on the phone.

on port map data you will set your connection cable or Bluetooth

you can dial your your current HOME ISP but the connection will be slow

the best way is to use the 1x back door, the number to dial is #777, your ID is your cellphone number number@vzw3g.com

PW is vzw

follow these instructions in this post, it is the same for the enV as for the lg8100 in the post

Quote:

so many people are getting NEW phones ( Vcast capable phones ) and want to use the 1x network connection, here are some directions, these are detailed for the lg 8100 on verizon, will work for the 8300 and 9800 and possibly the 5200

this works for my LG vx8100 and should work for your LG from verizon

press MENU

now press the number 0

the screen will say enter service code

now press 0 6 times

a new secret menu list will appear

look for NETWORK SELECT ( on my phone it is number 3 in the list )

choose NETWORK SELECT and press OK

another menu choose 'Mode Preference' press 1 or OK

another menu

with 4 choices

choose '1X Only'

press OK

this will lock the phone to 1x mode

now press END

it should work for you

If you need to setup the phones PC connection and DUN ( dialup networking )

that is also in the service menu

selection #4 'Data'

nothing about this will change your voice phone calls

VOICE calls do NOT use EvDo ( digital hybrid ) mode that you turned off

all you have done so far is , set the phone to act like older phones that did not have Ev-Do broadband data speed capability,

in the service menu under data, scroll down to PC connection and choose 'cable DUN' and choose enable and OK


all you need to do now is make sure the PW & ID are correct in your dialup connection settings

or create a new dialup connection

PW is VZW the ID is cellphonenumber@vzw3g.com

example 5551235656@vzw3g.com

the number to dial is #777


Create your connection

when you go to connect for the first time, click Properties, go to the "Security" Tab, then under security options, you need to select the radio button next to "Advanced (custom settings)" then click the settings button just to the right of the radio button..

when that dialog box comes up, under the "Allow These Protocols" section, you need to uncheck everything but the "Unencrypted Password (PAP)" option. Hit "OK" on the bottom, a dialog will come up saying something about if the connection uses one of the protocols that you just un-selected it wont work, just press "OK", then press "OK" again.. then you will be back at the login screen for the DUN connection.. Press "Connect" it should work from there..

I hope these directions help


more links, i was using a samsung u740 in thsi post
http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.........d/15038442/gotomsg/19205321.cfm#19205321

* This post was last edited 06/26/07 02:03pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: VDOCAD on 06/27/07 06:56pm

Mr Wizard:

I am about to buy one of these phones, get a wireless plan with Data and start using the Internet via my cell phone. My question is:

Is this procedure you describe in detail "using the back door" taking advantage of a loophole in cell phone systems that soon will get corrected and no one else will be able to use it anymore?


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/28/07 11:33am

the 1x back door, uses the same second generation network as ALL verizon voice signals do.

and it uses your minutes,

verizon actively recruited people to this option, BEFORE they offered unlimited nights and weekends, it sold on the idea of the daily buisness worker, checking email etc.

now they PUSH data plans, I have no idea if they will close off 1x access in the future

a data plan on evdo ( card or PHONE ) is faster than 1x and offers use 24/7 without worring about using up your plan minutes


Posted By: TACamper on 07/02/07 12:46pm

I've set up my LG8300 and Vista laptop (with MOK installed) following the instructions provided by MrWizzard. The set-up went fine. However, when I try to connect I get an error code 691 saying the user name or password is invalid.

Any ideas as to what the problem might be? Thanks in advance for all help!


Posted By: TACamper on 07/02/07 02:15pm

Please disregard above question. I just discovered that the password must be typed in small case letters.

Chalk it up to another simple newbie mistake!

And thanks to Mr.Wizzard for the instructions...very cool!


Posted By: Kountryguy on 07/06/07 09:18am

Can anyone explain in detail, how to disenable the evdo on a LG VX5200 phone? I have the verizon national access plan and would like to be able to access my ISP which is PeoplePC. I have installed the drivers But have been unable to connect. Any help appreciated.


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/08/07 12:51am

I belive the 5200 uses the standard service menu access

menu / 0 / 000000 / network select / 1xonly OR cdma only / OK / end

EDIT:

to dial your ISP you do NOT need to disable evdo, the disabling is only for using verizons ISP phone number which is #777

to dial your ISP phone number it is NOT necessary to turn off evdo, dialing your ISP will be treated like a regular phone call

just create a dialup connection and input all info they way they want it.

in fact all you need to do is open the connection mgr, nd copy/duplicate your people PC connection, then open the properties of the copy and change the modem to your lg vx5200 phone/ cdma modem, replacing the modem that s listed there. but it will be a very slow connection about 9-14k

it will NOT be using the verizon 1x backdoor and will not be at the same speed

* This post was edited 07/08/07 01:17pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: swelday on 07/12/07 04:28pm

Hi - Trying to connect my new Verizon LG enV as a modem. Previously worked on the LG6000. With new phone I'm getting "Authentication Failed." Tried to get to the service menu using "0" and "#" to put phone in CDMA/digital mode and no EVDO with no luck. The plan worked previously - however, added the Mobile 2 option to get email via the phone. Would still like to use the internet via the phone as well. Any suggestions?
Thanks so much.
Sandi


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/12/07 09:16pm

enV version 1 is, menu , 0, 000000, network select , 1xonly, OK

the new version 2 firmware ( phone OS ) has a new service access code

my search turned up (2) different possibilities of the entry, the code is the same ##77647269900 ..
7764726 spells program


The new LG's and firmware are now ##program9900 (or 9400, 8700, 8600, etc)

I don't know if this is open or closed, so you may have to try both ways, try it closed first

do not press menu, do it like you were dialing a phone number but don't press send

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Open the phone, press OK and then type it in. Do NOT type "program" though - use the numeric reprentation of "program" (7764726) ... in other words, you press ##77647269900

Though maybe you don't need to press the OK first. So try it both ways.

or maybe

Open phone, don't press "OK" (leave it on the default screen) and press "SYM"-3-"SYM"-3-p-r-o-g-r-a-m-9-9-0-0-"SEND" then enter 0-0-0-0-0-0 when it asks for an access code.

The screen should look like you are inputting a number to dial, and it will read "##77647269900" before pressing "Send".

my phone is version 1, so i can't test this to verify which is the correct way or if they all work

* This post was edited 07/12/07 09:30pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: swelday on 07/13/07 02:32pm

Hi again - I was able to find the secret service using "open phone-don't press OK" instructions on my LG enV. Was able to set the 1x data. I did not have the option to set "Cable DUN" in #4 data. My options were 1) Port Map (Data); 2) Port Map (Diag) 3) Diag Baud (UART). I've been on the road in a motor home for the past 2 years and have fallen woefully behind on my acronyms - not sure if any of these equate to Cable DUN.

I still get the "Authentication Failed" error with just the 1x data selected. I may have to "pay for internet" as I'm beginning to suspect the back door was closed when our old 2 year plan was up on Verizon. It was great while it lasted (2 years free ain't bad).

Mr. Wizard - Thanks so much for the "Services" code...... I was wondering where this stuff had gone.

Sandi -


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/13/07 10:27pm

go to each one ( port map ) set them to USB ,


Posted By: swelday on 07/15/07 07:43pm

Thanks - I'll give that a try - also heard some people have called Verizon directly and gotten help. Sandi


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/16/07 12:55am

you will not get help from VERizon UNLESS you are paying for a data plan.

they will not help you tether, to the backdoor, NOT anymore, several years ago they would, but the help policy has been changed, since they want to sell data plans


Posted By: jim91303 on 08/06/07 01:01am

verizon has a SB card for laptops and notebooks. $50 for the card and software, $60 per month service unlimmited connection. works on all signals... no roaming. no cables needed. works good, infact i'm on it now.


Posted By: Want2be on 08/10/07 11:23am

Thanks to all of you who responded to my question of internet service while on the road. This is such a great site for me because all of you seasoned rvers have such a vast knowledge of most every subject applying to rving. I am sure I will have to tap into your experience again. Thank goodness for this site!!!!!


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/25/07 05:05pm

cross post

just activated a new moto Q9m on vzw, complete with full tethering $59.99 month OUCH ( early birthday present arrived thurs, activated today Bday tommorrow )

I will be trying it out both as pocketPC with internet access and as a BB connection for my laptop, i'm using the connection right now.

i sit it up with & with out access manager so i can compare

there is NO backdoor with phone, you have to have a data plan, or ALL data is charge by the KB or is blocked

those are the choices pay as you go per KB very expensive

or data plan

you can choose pay per, then have data blocked, there will be no charges and NO internet connection of any kind

I went with the full data plan plus tethering

PDA data plan is $44.99 tethering access is $15 more

i'll keep you posted on how well it works , and how I think it compares to a aircard.

Connected via Verizon Via the moto Q and BB access


Posted By: Grizzly128 on 08/29/07 08:10pm

Not really versed in this subject and I haven't read all the pages in this forum so maybe this info is already here but here goes anyway:
I have a Motorola E815 cell phone with a plan through Alltel. I need internet service for a limited time this winter while snowbirding (first time). Alltel tethered my cell phone to my laptop, software (Motorola Phone Tools) $50.00 and they installed it, it included the data cable. For $25.00 a month I can access the internet where ever I have cell phone reception. The speed is currently (in this area) approx twice that of dial up, expected to upgrade to DSL speed late this year, all ready there in some areas of the states. Unlimited use, not charged against my cell phone minutes, flat $25.00 a month, no contract, turned on and off as desired. I have it turned on for right now trying it out, so far works well. Will turn it off at the end of this first month, turn it back on when we leave later this year. If this works as they have explained it to me, sounds better than anything I've read here...time will tell. Gladly answer any questions I can, will post if this doesn't work out.


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/30/07 04:27pm

testing posted via Moto Q without the laptop


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/30/07 07:10pm

grizzly, you got lucky, you won't find a cheaper rate with any other carrier,

sounds like ( at the moment ) you are using the 1x network, ( same as the 1x back door on verizon )

but if you get the EvDO broadband speed for $25, it will be an 'un paralleled DEAL', good luck

the E815 is good phone, i don't know if it's EvDo broadband speed, but if it it is that will be great


Posted By: nanadean on 08/31/07 12:51pm

I purchased the Axcess Altel plan, when I tried to hookup I got an error message saying I need to update to Microsoft 98 or earlier. I have vista and was told by 2 people at Alltel that it would work. Now what are my options to have wireless internet (high speed) without going thru my satelite.


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/31/07 08:00pm

nanadean wrote:

I purchased the Axcess Altel plan, when I tried to hookup I got an error message saying I need to update to Microsoft 98 or earlier. I have vista and was told by 2 people at Alltel that it would work. Now what are my options to have wireless internet (high speed) without going thru my satelite.


more info needed

are you using a phone or an aircard, which model of the device ?

you may need to install just the driver for the device, then

create the connection setup in windows under networking / dialup connections


Posted By: Zurk on 09/04/07 07:06pm

go to sprint.com/sero and user enternow@sprint.com ....you may be surprised at the rates.

savings@sprintemi.com -- not yet expired.

* This post was edited 09/04/07 10:12pm by Zurk *


Posted By: JJnLilly on 09/04/07 07:14pm

That Sprint offer expired nearly a month ago.


Posted By: fulltimemartins on 09/05/07 03:44pm

I have a blackberry with verizon data plan that I tether to my laptop. The unlimited data plan is $59.99 and the voice plan is just the extra $10.00 for it being a 2nd phone. All together my verizon bill is $135.00 a month. Now being that I am a fulltimer, I know it is alot, but it is the cost of a phone and internet for me. My question...I have asked verizon about giving a break on a data card (I have 2 computers) and that way both of us could be online at the same time. They have told me no, so if I got the pc card and the plan again it would add another $59.99 to my bill, which I am not willing to do. Long way to get around to this question and I apologize for that, but the question is does anyone know if any of the other carriers would include or give a break on 2 data plans?

Thanks...


Posted By: MrWizard on 09/05/07 10:30pm

no, but you can a wifi router that accepts the aircard and fuctions as the access point allowing you to connect (2) or more PC's via wifi to the router the router makes the cell connection to the internet ( vzw isp )

so one account works with mulitple PC's

the question is do you want to give up the BB and just use an aircard ?


Posted By: fulltimemartins on 09/06/07 06:15am

I thought about a router, but at this point I don't want to give up my bb. I do use it quite a bit also, when we are out of the rv and in our tow vehicle, I can use my mapping program on it, plus all the other feature. Thanks for the answer though.


Posted By: MrWizard on 09/07/07 12:30am

you could try 'internet connection sharing' this requires either a cable OR an 'ad hoc' wifi connection between your laptop and the wifes

there are people here that have done it, I am not one of them


Posted By: gypsyhounds on 09/15/07 05:24pm

Mr. Wizard!mHelp!
Verizon lg 3800 was working for many months now I get this error message.
734 pp link control was terminated.
What to do? Using the 1x backdoor method.
Thanks






Posted By: MrWizard on 09/17/07 08:25pm

check your settings in the phone menus. make sure you are still in 1x only mode

if you have done a *228, or other OTA programing, the network selection gets reset to default

are you in the same area ? working one day NOT working the next day ?

could be trouble with the tower, or have you moved ? you could be in a NON-data extended area.


Posted By: gypsyhounds on 09/18/07 03:23pm

It worked at home, then at a camp ground ,in a town, it did not, so I thought a non data area, but once home the same error.
I will recheck the menu settings to see if it has changed soemhow.


Posted By: Jbird on 09/23/07 04:07pm

I have been using Verizon 1X ("back door" I guess) with an Audiovox/Mobile Office Kit for several years. Recently I upgraded/renewed my plan and acquired an LG8300. I tried the Broadband/National Access for a few weeks with an aircard,but was unhappy with the speed in marginal signal areas so I discontinued it, reactivated my old phone and went back to 1X.
In ignorance I then purchased a Mobile Office Kit for the 8300 thinking I could reactivate the 8300 and just continue the 1X access. Reading the recent posts it sounds like I won't be able to access 1x back door with the new phone/mobile office kit-----or are some of the earlier posts,,e.g. the very detailed instructions from Mr Wizard relevant to my problem? In short, can I reactivate my 8300, install the Mobile Office Kit, and get 1X free???


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Posted By: MrWizard on 09/23/07 10:03pm

yes you can use the 1x backdoor with your 8300, just follow the instructions for putting your phone into '1x Only' mode/network

http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.........d/15038442/gotomsg/18594092.cfm#18594092


Posted By: Jbird on 09/24/07 01:53pm

Mr Wizard---THANKS. I gather these are your earlier detailed instructions. MANY MANY THANKs!!


Posted By: t/c hobo on 09/25/07 06:22pm

I HAVE TWO LAP TOPS AND ONE AIR CARD FROM VERIZON
IN THE CAMPER THE WIFES LAP TOP HAS THE AIR CARD
I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USED MINE AT THE SAME TIME
IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT BUYING A SECOND
CARD AND IF SO WERE CAN I GET THE UNIT THANK YOU


Posted By: pulsar on 09/25/07 07:50pm

t/c hobo,

This thread is really about using a cell phone as the connection between a computer and the Internet. Since you are wanting information about air cards, you would be better served with starting a new thread or finding one of the extisting threads that deal with air cards and routers. Here is a list of more than 300 posts that deal with using routers and air cards.

Tom


Posted By: MrWizard on 09/25/07 07:52pm

yes there are several 'aircard routers' on the market

the aircard goes in the router the router has wifi, the laptop connects to the router via wifi

your own home/rv network/wifi hot spot.

there is info is this thread and also other post here in the technology forum


Posted By: Montana Ultra Runner on 10/08/07 05:59pm

I have a similar problem. I've been using the "back door" method since 2003. I recently purchased a new LG8300, and it kept right on working even though Verizon told me it wouldn't (thanks to Mr. Wizard's detailed instructions).

I just purchased a new Vista computer and tried installing the MOK software. It wouldn't install, said I needed a newer version of Windows (newer than Windows 98). Well, Vista IS newer than 98, duh. I ended up calling Verizon and after 45 minutes on the phone we got the MOK installed. I'm able to "initate" a connection but I get an error message right away and don't get the connection.

The Verizon tech, advised me that I'll have to sign up for Verizon Broadband Service and pay the $59.99 per month fee.

Is that correct or is there something else I can do?

Jbird wrote:

I have been using Verizon 1X ("back door" I guess) with an Audiovox/Mobile Office Kit for several years. Recently I upgraded/renewed my plan and acquired an LG8300. I tried the Broadband/National Access for a few weeks with an aircard,but was unhappy with the speed in marginal signal areas so I discontinued it, reactivated my old phone and went back to 1X.
In ignorance I then purchased a Mobile Office Kit for the 8300 thinking I could reactivate the 8300 and just continue the 1X access. Reading the recent posts it sounds like I won't be able to access 1x back door with the new phone/mobile office kit-----or are some of the earlier posts,,e.g. the very detailed instructions from Mr Wizard relevant to my problem? In short, can I reactivate my 8300, install the Mobile Office Kit, and get 1X free???


* This post was last edited 10/08/07 06:38pm by Montana Ultra Runner *


Posted By: MrWizard on 10/09/07 01:42pm

actually we are all in trouble...i'm going to post his here and make a new post

AFAIK nov first starts new billing system vzw.. the 1x backdoor and Minutes will be gone.

we will need an active data plan of 'SOME KIND' OR PAY $1.99mb

if you have a Vcast phone 8100 8300 etc razr kzr etcc you should be able the $15 Vcast plan and continue to sneak thru the back door, NO more FREE backdor using minutes

OR you can the $59.99 data plan

as of NOV 1st all data useage on accounts that do NOT have some kind of data plan ( to account for useage ) are going to billed by the mb

this has nothing to do with sending pix msg, or txt msg or using vzw authroize services, the billing is for unaccountedable data going to and from the phone.

to the OP, you need to unistall the MOK, manually install the drivers from the CD and create your own dial up connection on the PC, but this is only good for a few more weeks.

or you can goto the verzion B2B 'buisness' webiste and look for the vista compatible DL music kit, you just need good drivers and a manul connection


Posted By: Montana Ultra Runner on 10/10/07 07:07am

The knowlegable tech at Verizon led me to the correct website (vzam.net) which is the VZAccess Manager Webpage. I downloaded and installed the drivers for Vista and my LG8300.

I still can't connect, so I will call Verizon to see about the VCast Plan, or I may just go for the $59.99 data plan. We only use this service three months in the summer when we're on the road. While at home we have DSL.

Thanks again Mr. W.

MrWizard wrote:

. . . to the OP, you need to unistall the MOK, manually install the drivers from the CD and create your own dial up connection on the PC, but this is only good for a few more weeks.

or you can goto the verzion B2B 'buisness' webiste and look for the vista compatible DL music kit, you just need good drivers and a manul connection



Posted By: MrWizard on 10/10/07 04:32pm

Montana Ultra Runner wrote:

The knowlegable tech at Verizon led me to the correct website (vzam.net) which is the VZAccess Manager Webpage. I downloaded and installed the drivers for Vista and my LG8300.

I still can't connect, so I will call Verizon to see about the VCast Plan, or I may just go for the $59.99 data plan. We only use this service three months in the summer when we're on the road. While at home we have DSL.

Thanks again Mr. W.

MrWizard wrote:

. . . to the OP, you need to unistall the MOK, manually install the drivers from the CD and create your own dial up connection on the PC, but this is only good for a few more weeks.

or you can goto the verzion B2B 'buisness' webiste and look for the vista compatible DL music kit, you just need good drivers and a manul connection


with the data plan, vzw will help you step by step and make sure it works, also you will be using the same BB evdo high speed network as the aircard and you can use it for 3 months then turn it off until the next time you need it ( because on the phones voice plan it is a FEATURE and does not require a contract, you already have a contract )

verizon will NOT help you if you try to use the Vcast plan with the PC, when talking to them about the Vcast plan do not mention the PC

once this feature is added to your account verify it by using it to get the news and weather on the phone.

then put the phone in 1x mode, and try the PC hook up.

i have already added this to my account, my 1x is still working but it is not yet nov, the connection should work, its the billing i am wondering about.

verizon is not saying the 1x will not work, they are sating we will be billed by the mega byte of data, testing the Vcast is my way to find out if it will slip under the radar for use with out PER MB billing.


Posted By: copter on 10/21/07 08:59pm

I've read some of the posts and I don't think my question has been answered.... Can I connect my laptop via bluetooth to access AT&T dial-up? I have a Sony Ericcson and know I'll need to download the Sony Ericsson Mobile Networking Wizard but will I be charged per kb or just as a voice call?


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Posted By: DA INFERNO on 10/21/07 10:23pm

Copter I use a AT&T wireless card. It works great. At Pismo it only works where you would get a signal w/ your phone. Not sure on the other stuff you asked about. LOL.

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Posted By: MrWizard on 10/23/07 12:46am

BT can be used for the connection between the PC( with BT ) and the cell phone.. and used for dialing the internet..

BUT somebody with at&t will have to help you with the 'billing' question

AFAIK at&t monitors the calls placed and all 'data' calls are charged by the KB if you do not have some kind of at&t interndt use plan

this is what Verizons NEW plan will be doing , charging at $1.99 per MB for those with out some kind of 'data usage' feature


Posted By: copter on 10/23/07 11:03pm

Anyone using AT&T service to access dial up?


Posted By: Montana Ultra Runner on 10/24/07 09:39am

On 10/10/2007 Mr. Wizard wrote wrote:

i have already added this (Vcast) to my account, my 1x is still working but it is not yet nov, the connection should work, its the billing i am wondering about.

verizon is not saying the 1x will not work, they are stating we will be billed by the mega byte of data, testing the Vcast is my way to find out if it will slip under the radar for use with out PER MB billing.


You are testing the Vcast, can you let us know how you are billed when you receive your November statement? Have you slipped under the radar or are you being charged by the MB?

Thanks . . .


Posted By: MrWizard on 10/24/07 10:51pm

I will let you know when i get the NOV statement, how it is billed

the due this week will be m OCT statement


Posted By: Odessa Grandma on 10/28/07 08:04pm

I have Sprint Broadband and it works well. Just looked at the cost of Microsoft Streets and Trips - $99.00. Is there any other GPS programs that work with Sprint Broadband. Just spent $200.00 for the wireless card and would love to use the GPS feature.

Thanks


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Posted By: Odessa Grandma on 10/28/07 09:23pm

Just went to the Sprint website and downloaded an update for my wireless card that enables the GPS feature. It was free and it works well. Kind of scary isn't it - that something so small can pinpoint .
your location from space?


Posted By: Danzrebel on 11/08/07 07:00am

I have been looking for a system that will allow me to use my laptop online and extend my cell phone coverage. After talking to sales at the 3Gstore , this is what they recommend. Sierra aircard 595, omni ext ant (wilson) and a MB6000 router. They explained this would be all I would need. An adaptor for cell phone also would increase my coverage for phone. Any advise would be appreciated. Going full time summer 08.


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Posted By: Jim McMurray on 11/08/07 09:45am

I have the Sprint AirCard 595U. it works fine. you do not need a router for mega$$$$ or the booster antenna for more than $200.

Aircards work as follows;

It will work from approx. 72kb to 960kb transfer rate anywhere you can use your cell phone. it will work at 1meg to 1.5 meg only when you are near a repeater station which has additional equipmemt on it specific for High Speed DSL. these to date are only installed in a few major cities. more comming. unless you intend to "LIVE" on the internet and upload and download files all day - no booster and no router.


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Posted By: Jim McMurray on 11/08/07 09:50am

Brands other than the Sprint 595U do not work with both cell signals and broadband. some only work with 192k or less on cell freq. and others like Verizon on ly work on Broadband and there are hardly any broadband towers except in the MAJOR CITIES. They wont tell you this. I first bought Verizon and had to take it back. wouldn't even work in El Paso or Las Cruces.


Posted By: AlexSian on 11/13/07 02:26pm

First this
Jim McMurray wrote:

IAircards work as follows;
It will work from approx. 72kb to 960kb transfer rate anywhere you can use your cell phone. it will work at 1meg to 1.5 meg only when you are near a repeater station which has additional equipmemt on it specific for High Speed DSL . these to date are only installed in a few major cities. more comming. unless you intend to "LIVE" on the internet and upload and download files all day - no booster and no router.

And then this.
Jim McMurray wrote:

Brands other than the Sprint 595U do not work with both cell signals and broadband. some only work with 192k or less on cell freq. and others like Verizon only work on Broadband and there are hardly any broadband towers except in the MAJOR CITIES.


Jim, what are you basing the information that i've underlined from?
Much of what you're saying contradicts the reality that others have experienced.

* This post was edited 11/13/07 02:40pm by an administrator/moderator *


Posted By: burlmart on 11/18/07 06:09am

Mr. Wizard,

A while back I tried w/ no success to get our Verizon LG VX3300 phone to work as a modem tethered to our Gateway laptop. We are under no contract now, and could get a new Verizon phone that would work be easier and more powerful to use as a modem and we would now be expecting to use the $60/mo data option while on trips.

I was wondering what you might recommend for a Verizon phone. We like things simple, but a phone with good reliability and strong reception, easy to setup w/ Gateway, and good battery life would be important.

Our Gateway has 512 MB memory, runs Windows XP Home Edition, has USB 2.0 ports and a PCMCIA slot for one Type II PC Card.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/18/07 03:25pm

what type of phone do you like, bar or flip/clam shell

what type of keypad do you like real buttons like the 3300 or flat membrane like the Razor

for reception and call quality my ranking

motorola e815 ( no longer offered )

LG 9900 enV great phone, some people think its to big

LG 8100 great flip phone, good displays, no longer offered

the NEW LG phones Venus LG 8800 and the Voyager LG 10000, come out this week

pelimary testers say they both have great call quality, and can be used to cable to the PC for the internet

I'm expecting to get my hands on My voyager monday

almost all new phones EXCEPT the samsung JUKE music phone, can be used to connect to the internet via the $60 data plan

and many new phones have the slick membrane style keypad

i've always had good luck with the LG phones, the 9900 has the best RF connection of any phone i have owned, and possibly the best of any of the current models,

despite the dancing TV commercials the juke is a great little phone for phone calls, BUT it has NO internet-pc connection ability

to sum it up

lg9900 great phone, LG 8700 good phone, lg 10000 should be a great phone, but won't know until i test it

or find a new in the box unused moto e815 someplace or NIB lg 8100

all NEW contracts are on the NEW NationWide plans

data options

add $60 data option for tethering your PC

use $15 data option for mobile web on the phone ( and 1x web with the PC, but don't tell verizon,phone must be on 1x )

use NO option and pay $1.99 for every MB of data , could get very expensive. 1 hr of browsing RV.net is 2mb


Posted By: burlmart on 11/20/07 04:52am

I looked at some of your pics, and I think a traditional flip phone is what we would want...it looks like they are getting away from this towards mini computers.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/20/07 11:37pm

there are a lot of pocket PDA/smartphones, i tried one, thought i would like it, turns out , I did not like it.

if you want a flip style look at the lg 8600 and maybe the lg 8700

the 9900 doesn't do any thing more than the other DUMB phones, it just has a better camera and a keyboard,

I don't text, but that keyboard makes typing in names & numbers for tha phone book list a real breeze and in a pinch i can read my gmail on it

my NEW Voyager phone came monday, and i'm testing that right now, it goes on sale wed, NOT cheap $469 retail, $299 after rebates with a NEW 2yr contract

think iphone meets verizon, it has touch screen and the keyboard and the 2megapixel autofocus camera. the screen and web browser do NOT duplicate all of the iphone functions 'no pinching' the screen to shrink, but it does shrink and zoom and do full html

anyway thats slightly off topic

check out the LG flips at verizon,


Posted By: Tech1 on 11/21/07 08:00pm

I am moving from AT&T to Verizon at the end of December. Because I will be traveling all 48 in MH, Verizon suggested I use a Tri Mode phone. Any suggestions on the one to get would be appreciated. In addition can they be tethered as well to connect to internet. I am moving from a Palm 650 to something simple......got a new iPod Touch and with the new updates it has become my calendar as well.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/21/07 10:10pm

most new phones are digital only, not tri-mode, I don't know which phone might be try mode and can tell ones that are NOT tri-mode NO analog

lg 4500, lg8100, lg8300, lg 8500, lg 8600, 8700, 8800, 9900, and 10000 are all digtal only

and AFAIK the moto razor kxr v3 v9 lines are all digital only

the old LG 3200 was tri-mode, the LG 3300 might be tri-mode

yes these phones can be tethered,
and verizon has new plans, where all data is tracked,
you will need to get the $60 data package if you want to tether,


Posted By: Montana Ultra Runner on 11/22/07 08:35am

Mr. Wizard, a while back you advised that you signed up for Vcast. You said you were using your cell phone in 1x mode to connect but weren't sure how you would be billed. How did that turn out? Are you being billed PER MB?

Mr. Wizard wrote:



verizon will NOT help you if you try to use the Vcast plan with the PC, when talking to them about the Vcast plan do not mention the PC

once this feature is added to your account verify it by using it to get the news and weather on the phone.

then put the phone in 1x mode, and try the PC hook up.

i have already added this to my account, my 1x is still working but it is not yet Nov, the connection should work, it's the billing I am wondering about.

verizon is not saying the 1x will not work, they are saying we will be billed by the mega byte of data, testing the Vcast is my way to find out if it will slip under the radar for use with out PER MB billing.


Mr. Wizard wrote:


I will let you know when I get the NOV statement, how it is billed

the due this week will be on my OCT statement



Posted By: RicB on 11/22/07 09:30am

Tech1 wrote:

I am moving from AT&T to Verizon at the end of December. Because I will be traveling all 48 in MH, Verizon suggested I use a Tri Mode phone. Any suggestions on the one to get would be appreciated. In addition can they be tethered as well to connect to internet. I am moving from a Palm 650 to something simple......got a new iPod Touch and with the new updates it has become my calendar as well.


I use an old Motorola V710 with Verizon. It is tri mode and up until about two weeks ago I would tether it to my pc. I recently purchased a Sprint aircard (usb type) and a cradlepoint router to use while traveling. The V710 has been very reliable. My wife and I both have them. You can still get them on ebay.


Posted By: MrWizard on 11/22/07 09:40pm

mur

my billing cycle ends tonight, 8 days in oct, 23 days of nov, the bill will be mailed to me next week

the online look up of 'my account' at verizon show NO added charges at ths moment

i am waiting to see what the paper billing shows


Posted By: WylieWanderings on 12/08/07 02:59pm

Since the Verizon back door has been shut, would it be beneficial to take one's phone off of 1x?


Posted By: Bob Shaw on 12/08/07 04:23pm

Cingular has a USB Cellular air card that will work with your desktop. That's what I am using right now. My band with seems to suck at my house but, I'm spending several weeks in south floriday this winter and I think I'll be in a pretty good coverage area there. I've got unlimited data coverage for I think it's $39.00 per month. It's n ot as fast as myh DSL, but I think if I had bettger service it would be ok.


Posted By: MrWizard on 12/08/07 11:02pm

CowgirlCreations wrote:

Since the Verizon back door has been shut, would it be beneficial to take one's phone off of 1x?


1x is used for all voice and also txt msg, if you send pic msg, then it will speed up if EvDo in On

however IF you have NOT changed your account, you can still use 1x, verizon is tracking data ( look for it my account ) but thay have NOT started charging older accounts for MB older accounst are still getting by with the 1x and minutes of use..

I would be careful with it and watch it, but it still works on old accounts

ALL new accounts must add a data feature or pay by the MB

you can also add the $15 vcast pkg for mobile web to your account and use it too hide the tethered PC useage on your old account. just keep the phone in 1x mode, you can even use it during the day, NO minutes are used this way, if you have a vcast phone 8100 8300 E815 etc..

you can't add Vcast data to an OLD non-vcast phone like an lg3200 or 4500


Posted By: full-timer on 12/17/07 04:12pm

I have the America's Choice 1 Plan and use the back door only minutes used charge. It comes up as data useage and says promo plan,National Access.

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Posted By: Jbird on 12/19/07 06:01pm

Mr Wizard: If you're monitoring---------I am about to try your instructions to get my 8300 into 1X mode to use on Verizon. A novice's question: Can I just use the Quicklink Mobile which is installed and which I have used with my Audivox or do I need to install the MOK software I bought for the LG 8300?


Posted By: MrWizard on 12/20/07 01:13am

you need to install the the DRIVER"S for the 8300 from the CD of the MOK

you can create the connection manually in windows

you do not need to install the verizon dial up software, you can, but the dialup software is NOT an absolute necessity, but the drivers must be installed

you quick link connection wil have the wrong ID and password


Posted By: Jbird on 12/20/07 08:02am

Thanks Mr Wizard!


Posted By: TenOC on 12/21/07 11:13am

CowgirlCreations wrote:

Since the Verizon back door has been shut, would it be beneficial to take one's phone off of 1x?


I am NOT SURE that the back door is shut. I used it a few weeks ago (only for a few minuents) to check. It still worked and I was NOT billed for the usage since it was on a weekend. I will try again later this week.

I do have a 4 year old phone.


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Posted By: RustyH on 01/02/08 10:12pm

I was in the Grand Canyon in September and had excellent Verizon Wireless cell phone service at the park. Used it for internet access as well as phone calls.


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Posted By: WagonMaster&Sunshine on 01/03/08 08:11am

We have a Cingular wireless card, signal is strong close to cities...boondocks is like dial-up in the 80's. unlimited time/data by kb. Even worked in parts of Alaska! hope this helps.


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Posted By: astalavistababy on 01/16/08 09:48pm

We use T-mobile. The phone serves as dial up connection connected to the laptop via USB cable. I am in cyberspace heaven. Our calling plan costs me $ 29.95 nationwide coverage + $ 19.95 for the Internet plan with unlimited access. We pay bills, research destinations, make reservations and everything else. Track down gas prices and more. Most important I keep up w. the stock market, that's kind'a depressing right now Otherwise we love it, saves us time to track down the next library and wasting gas.


Posted By: camper_ron on 01/18/08 08:52am

astalavistababy wrote:

We use T-mobile. The phone serves as dial up connection connected to the laptop via USB cable. I am in cyberspace heaven. Our calling plan costs me $ 29.95 nationwide coverage + $ 19.95 for the Internet plan with unlimited access. We pay bills, research destinations............


astalavistababy

Do you need a certain model to do this, is it hard to setup, how fast is it. I have been on the fence trying to figure out what I should do to connect to the internet, this actually sounds like a good deal. My Sprint cel contract is up at the end of January, 2008.

Thanks, r0n


Posted By: RustyH on 01/18/08 09:10am

Before you chose any carrier, especially due to cost of the service, check and make sure they have coverage in the area that you normally hang out. Some carriers are much better than others on coverage. Most carriers have maps that show actual coverage. Look closely at the maps to make sure they are not showing "proposed" coverage.


Posted By: sunnyvalesmostwanted on 01/20/08 03:41pm

Is anyone aware of any internet plans available to us up here in canada???


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Posted By: deciding on 01/31/08 06:27am

Ok, I've read everything on this thread on hooking up and am ready to get started. I've got a Mac book pro laptop and am shopping for a wireless provider and plan. We travel all over the USA and Canada in a motorhome. What would be our best bet to stay in touch as far as equipment and service provider? Speed is a secondary consideration, coverage being # 1. Something in a cell type connection,air card, external antenna, amplifier, etc. Thanks.


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/31/08 07:12pm

verizon will keep you covered in most of the US, BUT Canada is a different story, that roaming, and data roaming 'if it works' is going to cost some hefty bucks

you would come out better on coverage monthly charges by using satellite internet


Posted By: TConn on 02/05/08 09:15am

A fine solution to not tie up your cell phone is to purchase an AirCard and appropriate data plan. Many of the vendors have this available. This simply plugs into the PCMCIA port on your laptop. There are also USB models available. Many of these also take advantage of the new EVDO REV-a and 3G boradband connections. This offers superior performance over cellphones except the most recent models. I find it handy while navigating to talk with a campground while viewing via google maps or their web site.


Posted By: StandByYourVan on 02/05/08 01:32pm

I am contemplating going the cell phone internet or a cell phone aircard for my mac laptop.

I spend much of the year in Mexico though. ATT has international plans that include up to 100MB of Data transfer.

I'm not sure whether this would be sufficient or not.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 02/05/08 05:11pm

100 mb is not much by my standards

in my opinion, it would allow you some text only email, no pictures , no websurfing

you need satellite or an internet cafe


Posted By: folkie on 02/23/08 11:18am

All the diferent ways to get online aside, do you still need an ISP?

For example using T-Mobile unlimited data as mentioned earlier, whom provides the internet connection proper?


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/23/08 09:19pm

with Tmobile, verizon or att data connections, the cellphone carrier IS the ISP, no other ISP is needed,

IF you have a HOME isp dsl cable dialup etc,, you can still get your email thru web access just goto the web page an login


Posted By: Pacers on 02/28/08 06:04pm

HI, I just found this forum. I will make this as short as possible. Verizon customer, previously used my cell phone with usb cord and laptop to connect to internet using after nine and weekend (free minutes). Phone broke, no replacement, ordered new Razor phone. Verizon said I could not connect as I previously did and had to use wireless card and now it is over one hundred dollars a month. Am I understanding the posts that the "old way" is still possible? Thanks, Jan


Posted By: folkie on 02/28/08 06:54pm

I was in Circuit City today, and talking to the Verizon Guy, not 'thee Verizon guy' but I know this one was of some authority because his name badge said Verizon.

Here's the scoop, There is a sale on right now you can purchase the USB Air Card for $50 and there is currently a $50 rebate conditional to a two year contract.
Monthly fees are $59.99 for unlimited Internet connection nation wide. This would be wherever you get cellular signal. there is a limit of 5 gig/month data capacity , if you should exceed that they may narrow or limit your capacity to keep you below the magic 5 gig per month. Apparently watching movies 24-7 will get you to 5 gig of monthly data flow quickly.
So watching episodes of Lost on the laptop is just going to have to go honey......sorry.

You will get service (Internet connection) everywhere Verizon or US Cellular have cell phone coverage. The major cities and ALL of Florida (for some reason) have super fast Broadband Access over your Air Card connection, then out on the highway your speed will slow down when you are on National Enhanced Service.
The lowest level of service (most of Northern Maine) you will get what is called Extended National Enhanced Service and by this time you are solely relying on Cellphone signal's, if you are not in a Verizon service area you will bounce off US Cellular towers without any roaming charges. At this lowest service level your connection speed will be approximately 2-3 times faster than your old dial up connection.


hope this help clear up some of the misunderstanding.



Posted By: magicbus on 02/29/08 08:26am

folkie wrote:

hope this help clear up some of the misunderstanding.

Kind of... except for the part about:

Monthly fees are $59.99 for unlimited Internet connection nation wide. and ... there is a limit of 5 gig/month data capacity.

Kind of a contradiction in terms eh?

Dave


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/01/08 01:43pm

Pacers wrote:

HI, I just found this forum. I will make this as short as possible. Verizon customer, previously used my cell phone with usb cord and laptop to connect to internet using after nine and weekend (free minutes). Phone broke, no replacement, ordered new Razor phone. Verizon said I could not connect as I previously did and had to use wireless card and now it is over one hundred dollars a month. Am I understanding the posts that the "old way" is still possible? Thanks, Jan


DID you change your PLAN ? to get a discount phone, or did you outright buy a new phone and stay on AMC plan, this PLAN difference, the old AMC or the NW dictates, what you can & can't do, and how you get billed

the Razor can work the old way, ALL verizon reps are TOLD/ordered to say that the data plans and air cards are the only way to connect.

the OLD backdoor is NOT condoned by vzw, technically it is against your TOS ( terms of service ) agreement, on AMC plans

on the new plans , the Nation wide plan they don't care too much, because they are billing by the MB, a $1.99 per MB and that adds up real fast

there is way around that to, but it involves paying $15 a month for vcast Vpak..

IF you switched your plan, the FREE night minute internet is GONE, all data is billed by the MB on the NationWide plans, unless there is a mobile data $15 vpak, or tethered data $59 on your account

the $15 will let you get away with the 1x backdoor, unlimted even during the day, as long as you stay on 1x, and don't talk to the reps about it, it shows on the bill as mobile use


Posted By: daytona7 on 03/05/08 12:24pm

Is the old way possible with T-Mobile using a RIZR phone? Also would the program from a RAZR work with the RIZR? One last question. Which would be better, USB wired to the PC or USB Bluetooth on the PC? Have to use the old desktop for a while while on the road.


Posted By: folkie on 03/05/08 04:22pm

magicbus wrote:

folkie wrote:

hope this help clear up some of the misunderstanding.

Kind of... except for the part about:

Monthly fees are $59.99 for unlimited Internet connection nation wide. and ... there is a limit of 5 gig/month data capacity.

Kind of a contradiction in terms eh?

Dave

Yes Dave I hear you, I has a hunch that line would come back and bite me, it's just my inability to communicate, sorry.
From what I understood it was unlimited in time connected to the Internet but limited to 5 Gig of data per month which apparently is hard to reach unless you are downloading lots of movies.



Posted By: MrWizard on 03/05/08 05:52pm

daytona7 wrote:

Is the old way possible with T-Mobile using a RIZR phone? Also would the program from a RAZR work with the RIZR? One last question. Which would be better, USB wired to the PC or USB Bluetooth on the PC? Have to use the old desktop for a while while on the road.


T-mobile is NOT verizon , the 'old way' referred too is about verizon

I do NOT know , what connection procedures or mobile web , setups can be used with Tmobile

as far as actually connecting the tmo rizor too the PC, you should be able to connect via BT or via cable which ever one you prefer

do you have a BT output dongle on your PC ?

IF not, IMO its easier and cheaper to use a cable than buy a BT dongle and get it working with your old desk top PC


Posted By: astalavistababy on 03/10/08 08:20pm

with T-mobile you can use both, it depends on the phone you are using. I use the Nokia 3500, I pay 20 bucks p month for unlimited access and there are even T-mobile WI-FI locations for free around the country. The Nokia phone has an awesome camera and video feature, it's better than any digital camera I've seen I took pic's while driving and it even has night vision to take pic's at night.

I've talked to many RV'ers, this (T-mobile)is definitely the cheapest plan. It's unlimited, as many MB downloads as you want, coverage is nationwide. I've never paid a penny more. 20 bucks, that's it. Live in cyberspace as long as you want.

MrWizard wrote:

daytona7 wrote:

Is the old way possible with T-Mobile using a RIZR phone? Also would the program from a RAZR work with the RIZR? One last question. Which would be better, USB wired to the PC or USB Bluetooth on the PC? Have to use the old desktop for a while while on the road.


T-mobile is NOT verizon , the 'old way' referred too is about verizon

I do NOT know , what connection procedures or mobile web , setups can be used with Tmobile

as far as actually connecting the tmo rizor too the PC, you should be able to connect via BT or via cable which ever one you prefer

do you have a BT output dongle on your PC ?

IF not, IMO its easier and cheaper to use a cable than buy a BT dongle and get it working with your old desk top PC


* This post was edited 03/10/08 08:34pm by an administrator/moderator *


Posted By: garym114 on 03/15/08 08:43pm

I'm on the NEW at&t, the old NEW Cingular, the OLD AT&T. Got my W580i setup on the laptop via bluetooth today. It's EDGE but I hope to just pass through the G3 areas around the cities. $15 a month and it gets about 70Kbps out here in rurals of Texas. It should do a little better with a stronger signal.


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Posted By: folkie on 03/16/08 06:13am

Thanks Gary, That sounds very affordable, but Gary I'm looking at At&T's web site and having trouble finding what you just described. Help please.

What is your service called, and what are your limitations for monthly data?
For your reference here is the page I am browsing.

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/internet/pc-card.jsp


Posted By: folkie on 03/16/08 06:32am

WOW! I just noticed......isn't technology great? Google Ad must monitor content and drops in advertising directed at the thread theme. Big brother is watching. Case in point an WifiRV ad was placed into this thread, I guess this is the only way to keep useful tools like this forum free. I'm not complaining, I appreciate the free access, it just wowed me when the penny dropped and I figured it out.


Posted By: K&R on 03/16/08 06:36am

Sheesh I cant even get my printer to work with my laptop so this stuff is way beyond me!


Posted By: folkie on 03/16/08 06:41am

K&R, that is soooo funny.....and pretty well describes most of us.


Posted By: garym114 on 03/17/08 12:15am

folkie wrote:


What is your service called, and what are your limitations for monthly data?


I am tethering a phone to a laptop via bluetooth. The phone determines the max connection rate, whether it is capaable of connecting via GPRS, EDGE, or HSDPA(3G). The service is an add on for a phone, MEdia Net Unlimited.
at&t Media Plans For Phones
These are plans for phone data. You arn't supposed to tether to a laptop but if you keep our monthly usage below 2 or 3 GB they haven't said anything. That is more than normal browsing and email.
I took the laptop to town with me today to see how it would do with a good signal and did a little less than 150 kb/s which is about half as fast as my DSL connection at the house.
During our 4 months in Alaska last year I tethered a slower speed phone for internet. My brother is in Anchorage, on Cellular One, so I added a phone to his plan. Over the winter AT&T bought out Cellular One so it is all at&t now. We are going back this year and I'm just making sure everything works as planned.

The problem with data cards is the two year contract.
If you want to be totally legal in tethering a phone you can use this one for $60/month and add it on and take it off of your plan on a month to month basis. PDA Personal with Tethering A plain phone can use this plan.

Good reading for AT&T users. Look at the section on data service.


Posted By: AlexSian on 03/20/08 07:15am

K&R wrote:

Sheesh I cant even get my printer to work with my laptop so this stuff is way beyond me!

don't forget the new RV.net blog, as a resource for more info:

http://blog.rv.net/2008/02/06/internet-access-driving-down-the-road/


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Posted By: astalavistababy on 03/22/08 09:46pm

do you have win win vista on your laptop?

then you need to upgrade the driver for your printer

K&R wrote:

Sheesh I cant even get my printer to work with my laptop so this stuff is way beyond me!



Posted By: copter on 03/28/08 09:14pm

copter wrote:

I've read some of the posts and I don't think my question has been answered.... Can I connect my laptop via bluetooth to access AT&T dial-up? I have a Sony Ericcson and know I'll need to download the Sony Ericsson Mobile Networking Wizard but will I be charged per kb or just as a voice call?


So I asked this a while back and didn't get much info.. Since then I've Bluetoothed the PC to the phone and tried dial up... The phone dials the number and it seems like after AT&T Wireless can see its data the phone hangs up. Now if I use *99# everything works fine but is using my Media Net MBs and its going to add up quick. The $15 deal sounds good but I'm not concerned with speed and would rather use my rollover minutes.

Is anyone using dial up with AT&T Wireless and getting it to work?


Posted By: loggenrock on 03/28/08 09:26pm

Hats off to MrWizard for all is input! This stuff just confuses me!!! I use Verizon - I haven't ever used the cellphone with my laptop - can I use Bluetooth to the RAZR to call my regular dial-up number (only option where i live) without getting billed by the mb? Thanks! ST


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Posted By: garym114 on 03/28/08 10:42pm

copter wrote:

copter wrote:

I've read some of the posts and I don't think my question has been answered.... Can I connect my laptop via bluetooth to access AT&T dial-up? I have a Sony Ericcson and know I'll need to download the Sony Ericsson Mobile Networking Wizard but will I be charged per kb or just as a voice call?


So I asked this a while back and didn't get much info.. Since then I've Bluetoothed the PC to the phone and tried dial up... The phone dials the number and it seems like after AT&T Wireless can see its data the phone hangs up. Now if I use *99# everything works fine but is using my Media Net MBs and its going to add up quick. The $15 deal sounds good but I'm not concerned with speed and would rather use my rollover minutes.

Is anyone using dial up with AT&T Wireless and getting it to work?



Yes, I use BT and the phone to connect my laptop. You don't use minutes, you use MB. If you don't have a data plan on the phone you will pay vast amounts for MB. You don't need a connection wizard, just a little knowledge. The speed of your connection depends on the phone and the signal strength. With an EDGE connection and good signal strength I have a connection about half as fast as my home DSL.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/29/08 04:36pm

loggenrock wrote:

Hats off to MrWizard for all is input! This stuff just confuses me!!! I use Verizon - I haven't ever used the cellphone with my laptop - can I use Bluetooth to the RAZR to call my regular dial-up number (only option where i live) without getting billed by the mb? Thanks! ST


what verizon account plan do you have, the old AMCII plan or the NEW ( since nov-07 ) Nation Wide plan, ( do not confuse with nation wide calling ) your plan is 1 of 3 things Americas Choice II, Nation Wide or a very old 'local digital' plan

verizon has almost completely eliminated the OLD QNC ( quicknet ) where you could dial up AOL or other landline ISP numbers

if your account plan is AMC you can use the 1x backdoor , and use call minutes to access the internet

if you have the NEW NW plan, you can use the 1x backdoor if you have the $15 vpak plan on your account

yes you can use BT with the razor, I prefer cable, BT doesn't seem to work well for me

but I don't know the specific settings on manipulating the razor, to set it up

somebody else on here can probably give you that info


Posted By: loggenrock on 03/30/08 09:36pm

Hmmmm - guess i gotta check w/ Verizon - last time I upgraded the plan was before 11/07, but don't know what they call it - it is a nation-wide calling, but gotta check on specifics. so if it is the newer NW, I just need to add a $15/mo fee, huh? Will check it out - thanks again! ST


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/30/08 10:10pm

if the last time you made any changes was before NOV-07 and have nation wide calling 'national access' then you have an AMCII plan

and can use the 1x backdoor using minutes, just find somebody that can help with the razor setup

the PC setup and dialing is the same for ALL verizon phones using 1x and DUN ( Dial Up Networking )

all the info for cable setuo is in this thread, BT well thats different, some find it easier, i find it to be a PITA


Posted By: Greatgrandmabea on 03/31/08 04:18pm

I've noticed that these suggestions were done 3 and 4 years ago. All you have to do now is get a DATA card for your cell phone carrier, plug it into the portal on your computer, click and your connected to the internet. Unlimited usage will run about $39 to $69 per month. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE


Posted By: pulsar on 03/31/08 06:19pm

Greatgrandmabea wrote:

I've noticed that these suggestions were done 3 and 4 years ago. All you have to do now is get a DATA card for your cell phone carrier, plug it into the portal on your computer, click and your connected to the internet. Unlimited usage will run about $39 to $69 per month. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE


Read from the other end of the thread and you will see that not all of the suggestions are 3 to 4 years old.

Many of us do use air cards for Internet connections. But this thread is about using the cell phone for the connection. Many members still can do that. Some plans are perfect for RVers.

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Posted By: MrWizard on 04/04/08 01:31am

some members of my cell phone forum "howardforums" have
reported scattered outages of the 1x backdoor, and of it NO longer working, this is of the totally free 1x backdoor using minutes, NOT the 1x with the $15 vpak/vcast

has anybody here on RV.net whose is using minutes and the 1x backdoor had the connection fail

a message appears saying that DUN ( Dial Up Networking ) is not supported on this account and to contact verizon to activate the feature / use of data

* This post was edited 04/04/08 01:52am by MrWizard *


Posted By: full-timer on 04/05/08 02:33pm

I'm on the AMC1 plan and able to use the phone tethered to the computer. Minutes used only. On the phone bill it shows as data/promo allowed. I used it last night with no problems.

Joe


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/05/08 06:05pm

thanks, its only a few people, but for them it has been out several days

terra haute In, roanoak Va, jersy, there are 9 more with NO location posted, saying their 1x service has stopped

the message
Quote:

"This device is currently not authorized to access Dial-Up Networking services, please contact your wireless service provider for more details.



I too am using 1x, but since i had to switch to the NEW NW plan with my new Voyager phone in NOV, i have the $15 vpak, and it uses data not minutes, all data is tracked, in the past 10 days I have 430 meg of data most while tethered and some while using just the phones browser, mainly for the weather report or conditions, when i don't feel like turning on the PC.

* This post was edited 04/05/08 06:46pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: aztortuga on 04/06/08 11:13pm

Mr. Wizzard, the last few years have had a lg4400 running with the laptop through a usb cable. I bought a replacement lg8300 and a new cable. I can get the 8300 to connect but I am disconnected after a few seconds saying could not verify password. It is a version 4 software I have gone back and looked at all of the protocals listed in your instructions and other but still no dice. I seem to have read that the phone software will automatically use the dun in the access address--i e phonenumber@dunvzw.com-----------------Is this correct and if so how do I get the "dun" out this address? I am assuming that this is the cause of my failure to stay connected to the verizon 1x system. Any help appreciated. Thanks JIm


Posted By: phitur on 04/07/08 10:17am

I got a message on Saturday about the 1x backdoor that said that I did not have authorization to access that feature. I just spoke to Verizon and they said that they deactivated that feature over the weekend. The gal said that I would nee to pay them $60/month for the broadband access (that's not gonna happen). I know there are other carriers that allow similar access on their networks without having to spend an excessive amount of money. I'll be looking into them. Let me know if anyone figures out how to get around this.


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/07/08 01:35pm

to aztortuga

make sure, you have put the phone in 1x mode, the 8300 is 1x & evdo, it will default to evdo unless you turn evdo OFF by placing it in 1x mode, the spot to do that is in the service menu, just follow the instructons from the setup post, yes the phone uses the DUN.vzw3g.com when making an evdo connection, BUT AFAIK not when making a 1x connection, to change/remove the DUN from the ID in the phone requires some special software

the process requires saving a file called NV.data onto the PC editing that file with a HEX editing program, then overwriting that file on phone, with the new edited version,

if you wish to try this, i can find the links to the web pages that will give you the info,

I do these things, but be aware, you can make your phone a brick, if you do the wrong things with this kind of software, and yes i have 'BRICKED' a phone in the past, you do not learn this stuff with out occasionally making a mistake

to phitur,
this is what my post on the previous page is referring too, it seems VZW is finally in the process of doing 'what i was told months ago', its seems spotty, and not all over, its a software change to the system

the only work around i'm aware of is to purchase the $15 mobile web, and continue to use the backdoor, the 'mobile web' option is for 'phone browser' access to WAP ( Wireless Access Protocol ) but so far it has allowed the phone to tether to the PC, and give an internet connection.

NEVER mention PC data connecting, too CS unless you want to talk about the $59 data plan, Verzion stopped promoting DUN on 1x when they introduced the AMC plans with free nights & weekends, they 'sold' people on the idea when you paid for all your minutes, when there was NO free minutes, but stopped when they changed promotions

now they are implementing the shut down ( trying to close the backdoor )

I had to change Plans when i got the new Voyager phone in Dec, so i have been using this ( the $15 mobile web/vcast/vpak ), instead of the $59 data plan

do not mention data & PC to CS, just ask about the mobile web for the Phone

say you want to check the weather, email and sports scores on the phone, say you don't know much about it, but have friends or grand children that do it

* This post was edited 04/07/08 01:50pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: phitur on 04/08/08 03:14pm

Thanks for the heads up, Mr Wizard. I have had the mobile web for some time now and I cannot connect any longer. Is there still a way without having to pay the $59?


Posted By: Anthony21403 on 04/08/08 04:09pm

I know that a lot of people use the AirCards for their internet, but for my own use, paying $10 a month extra to Alltel for unlimited tethering is a lot better deal.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 04/08/08 05:44pm

phitur wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, Mr Wizard. I have had the mobile web for some time now and I cannot connect any longer. Is there still a way without having to pay the $59?


please clarify.

when i say 'mobile web' I am talking about the $15 add-on feature to the phones account, having this feature has allowed me to keep connected to the web, without paying the $59 data charge or paying by the megabyte

DO you have the $15 Vcast /mobile feature on your account ?

connecting the PC to the phone is NOT called 'mobile web' ( yes we are mobile in the RV ) but it is called 'tethering' the PC

IF you like many others do not pay $15 extra per month, you are using the 1x backdoor with minutes of use ( I used to do the same thing ), that is NOT the 'mobile web' feature which is designed for 'phone use' NOT PC tethering,

but i have the 'vcast/mobile web' $15 added to my account, and IT does allow me to connect the PC and fly under verizon radar ( until such time that they ALSO plug that hole ), so presently I pay $15 more a month NOT $59 more..so i can use the web

do not mention 'mobile web' $15 an PC to the verizon rep

just call up and add it to your account, or NOT, but do NOT talk to them about it.

* This post was edited 04/08/08 05:54pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/09/08 01:26pm

from a post in the phone forum, from somebody, talking to vzw CS about this LOST DUN connection

verizon CS wrote:

Until recently, the only procedure in place to stop customers from using their handsets as modems to provide access to National or BroadbandAccess was by conducting audits of data used by our customers and disabling National/BroadbandAccess on high use accounts that were using these services without a data plan. The consequence is that these accounts could no longer access services such as Get It Now, Mobile Web, or VCast.

Verizon Wireless has found a solution to this issue and has now implemented it on our network and within our newer handsets. Our newest handsets now support the ability to allow the network to detect the initializing source of the data connection. This means that our network can now detect if the data connection is being initiated by the handset (Get It Now, Mobile Web, or VCast) or by a computer (Mobile Office kit or Dial-Up Networking). The network will allow handset-initiated connections to function normally and will block computer-initiated connections for accounts that are not provisioned with a data plan.



from here
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=10919843

I believe part of this is the EVDO ID in the phone cellnumber@dun.vzw3g.com

and part of it , is system software, that says this is a data call, and this account has NO data provision

they are closing the 1x minutes, backdoor, slower and later than i was informed last year, but verizon is closing it.

how long, the $15 mobileweb vcast. 'sneak in' will keep working, i don't know

* This post was edited 04/09/08 01:33pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: astalavistababy on 04/14/08 01:59pm

try T-mobile, choose any calling plan to your liking and needs and then add the data packet for $ 19.95, gives you unlimited access and unlimited downloads, connect to your PC via USB cable or wireless.


MrWizard wrote:

phitur wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, Mr Wizard. I have had the mobile web for some time now and I cannot connect any longer. Is there still a way without having to pay the $59?


please clarify.

when i say 'mobile web' I am talking about the $15 add-on feature to the phones account, having this feature has allowed me to keep connected to the web, without paying the $59 data charge or paying by the megabyte

DO you have the $15 Vcast /mobile feature on your account ?

connecting the PC to the phone is NOT called 'mobile web' ( yes we are mobile in the RV ) but it is called 'tethering' the PC

IF you like many others do not pay $15 extra per month, you are using the 1x backdoor with minutes of use ( I used to do the same thing ), that is NOT the 'mobile web' feature which is designed for 'phone use' NOT PC tethering,

but i have the 'vcast/mobile web' $15 added to my account, and IT does allow me to connect the PC and fly under verizon radar ( until such time that they ALSO plug that hole ), so presently I pay $15 more a month NOT $59 more..so i can use the web

do not mention 'mobile web' $15 an PC to the verizon rep

just call up and add it to your account, or NOT, but do NOT talk to them about it.



Posted By: MrWizard on 04/14/08 08:02pm

here where where i am T-mo SUCKS, the connections drop and there used to be lots of squealing in my earpiece when a friend with t-mo called.. the squealing has stopped, but they still complain about NO service


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/15/08 01:04pm

1x update

Quote:

Upstate South Carolina stopped working around the 3rd.


jdbraun wrote:

Hey all. I'm writing with my experience here in Minneapolis area as well- as of April 4, no access could be had using my Motorola V3M.

Prior to 4-4-08, I had been routinely turning off EVDO and dialing up (DUN) using only minutes (MOU) on 1xRTT to verizon's provided ISP.

After receiving the redirect message at https://dunsp.vzw.com/, I attempted to modify my tethered NAI as described elsewhere on HowardForums (was supposed to allow tethered EVDO use without a data plan). That did not work either.

If anyone runs across ways to re-enable DUN access without a data plan, I'd be very interested.

FYI: I can still access my third party WAP/Mobile Web proxy, so it appears that Verizon can now distinguish between tethered and untethered access using something other than the NAI (as this thread would suggest:


from this thread
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1352407&page=1&pp=15

this brings the location total to 7, for places reporting 1x on minutes NO longer works

I think everybody who reads this thread, and uses the 1x backdoor, should make a test NOW of their Pc & phone, before they go camping, and again before they leave..

some of us are going to be on the road and find out, we don't have internet. many use it only occasionally, but you won't be happy when you get settled in your camp spot and find it doesn't work


Posted By: Belgique on 04/16/08 08:39am

Gone in Tidewater area of VA also. Alas. Wish Verizon would offer something for those that don't full time. Hard to justify $60/mo since we don't full time and the Aircard won't work where we live so we still need DSL. If I could turn it on and off, I'd be first in line.


Cedar Island, NC (Gateway to the Outer Banks)
2008 Winnie Sightseer 35J



Posted By: MrWizard on 04/16/08 01:37pm

different subject, put i found this while perusing the new 'smart phone' data plan.. likely it is the same charge for an 'aircard' used in canada, look at CDMA data roam, in the middle of the picture

$2.05 MB




Posted By: Jbird on 04/17/08 02:36pm

Verizon 1X backdoor now disabled in south Texas (Corpus Christi area). I guess I need VCAST. Do I need to do anything to my phone (LG8300) once I subscribe to VCAST in order to access 1X? (My phone settings are all as instructed by Mr Wizard and everything worked a few weeks ago).


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/19/08 12:35am

NO changes, just call them up, add vcast to the account for your 8300, if they ask them your nephew ( or some other family member ) showed you how , he checks sports scores and weather on this phone

there's an added advantage to this, NO plan minutes are used, you don't have to wait till night or the weekend to do your email


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/22/08 12:33pm

from a msg I got on HOFO

Quote:

- My location is Ypsilanti/Ann Arbor, Michigan (30 miles west of Detroit). I don't tether a lot but I first noticed "dead DUN" on 4/18



Posted By: Btravelen on 04/22/08 08:07pm

I set my LG 8300 up for 1x only last week and got national access for a week before 'not authorized' showed up when logging on. In the meantime, I chalked up 100 bucks in MB charges. I guess Verizon was keeping track before they cut me off.

Mr Wizard, are you sure VCast doesn't charges minutes or MB's?

Take Care


2000 Ford Excursion V10 (SOLD) 2005 Exc. 6.0L PSD, 2wd, 3.73LS, Air Lifts with Load Controller II, towing '00 31SKS Holiday Rambler Alumascape with a '01 Hensley.


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/22/08 09:27pm

what is your current account, AMC or the NEW nationWide accounts

the NW accounts are $1.99mb, unless you have a data feature on the account like vpak or BBA

on the NW accounts all data is MB not minutes, its either pre-paid like vpak/vcast/BBA or its PER mb, $1.99 mb, $100 would be 50mb, at that charge rate,

how many MB was listed ?


Posted By: Jbird on 04/24/08 05:23pm

Another question born of ignorance as I try to avoid 59.99/mo for internet access as I travel now that Verizon has shut off my 1X ability. Can I just subscribe to an ISP such as Juno, use my LG8300 as modem to dial up, get slower speed browsing using my Verizon minutes? Mr Wizard?? Or any other experts? Seems like somebody suggests this on the Howard forum, but that forum is way over my head.


Posted By: Btravelen on 04/25/08 07:28am

MrWizard wrote:

what is your current account, AMC or the NEW nationWide accounts

the NW accounts are $1.99mb, unless you have a data feature on the account like vpak or BBA

on the NW accounts all data is MB not minutes, its either pre-paid like vpak/vcast/BBA or its PER mb, $1.99 mb, $100 would be 50mb, at that charge rate,

how many MB was listed ?


I just updated my plan to a shared 700 minutes. Nationwide? I think my old plan was Americas Choice but has been changed to the most current.


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/25/08 01:19pm

I have the nationwide & the $15 Vpak/vcast for mobile web, i had too change in Dec when , i got my new Voyager phone, no choice, it was the only way i could activate it.

but ON wed i switched phones, i'm testing a xv6900 HTC 'Touch' pocket pc. and i had too switch to the $45 data feature.(still on the NaTIONwide account NO way to go back to AMC after 5 months) to make full use of the mobile internet & data services, if ( at the end of 30 days ) I go back to the voyager and the $15 service , depends on how well i like this phone and IF i can get the NEW $30 PDA data plan that came out on the 14th but is only available for (3) phones and this one isn't on that list of (3) , that feature-plan is supposed to be rolled out to more WM-OS smart devices soon. ( depending on what vzw means as soon )


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/26/08 07:36pm

I have another report from Tenn ,Knoxville area, about 1xDUN no longer working,

* This post was edited 04/27/08 12:29am by MrWizard *


Posted By: garym114 on 04/28/08 09:16pm

at&t has a Unlimited MediaNet add on for $15.00 a month, no texting, just data. It is for phone data, browsing. It is not unlimited though, there is a 5GB cap. It is not supposed to be used for tethering but they have not shut anyone down for doing so. Only for going over the cap.


Posted By: Jbird on 04/29/08 02:53pm

1x via vcast does not work in southern illinois now. Verizon connects you to a web page which will sell you internet for 59.99/mo for whats essentially 1x unless you live in broadband range. With tax, 70.00/mo ,for what was part of one's 50/mo phonr plan 6 months ago. Progress!


Posted By: Btravelen on 04/29/08 03:16pm

I guess that eliminates my plan to try vcast for 1x access. If I didn't like Verizon for their voice service, I'd look elsewhere as I think BB access is cheaper elsewhere.


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/29/08 10:24pm

Jbird wrote:

Another question born of ignorance as I try to avoid 59.99/mo for internet access as I travel now that Verizon has shut off my 1X ability. Can I just subscribe to an ISP such as Juno, use my LG8300 as modem to dial up, get slower speed browsing using my Verizon minutes? Mr Wizard?? Or any other experts? Seems like somebody suggests this on the Howard forum, but that forum is way over my head.


some people have success that way, that is we used to do it, before phones had the OLD QNC, but other have reported problems

if you have a HOME ISP, they might have an 800# for dialup when you travel, call them and ask about it, then try using the that #

and what ever ID & PW info they tell you too use


Posted By: MrWizard on 04/29/08 10:26pm

Btravelen wrote:

If I didn't like Verizon for their voice service, I'd look elsewhere as I think BB access is cheaper elsewhere.


I know exactly what you mean.


Posted By: folkie on 04/30/08 05:44am

I am sooooo interested in this thread, We are about to start our RV adventure in October and we have been trying to find which company offers fast Internet access with the widest service area. Just to complicate matters we are also looking for the best Cellular package also with the widest coverage.

We may have found what we are looking for in T-Mobile, does anyone have experience with this carrier and how is it working for you?

We are considering their 'myFaves for family 800' package that offers:
Two Lines, 800 anytime minutes, unlimited weekends & Nights, and the part we like best with T-Mobile is unlimited talk with your 5 favorite numbers. $69.99/Month.

Internet access: We are considering 'T-Mobile Total Internet' which offers unlimited data and unlimited e-mail for $39.99/Month.
Same question, does anyone have experience's to share about T-Mobile Internet Access?
Thank you for your comments.
folkie.



Posted By: Tech1 on 04/30/08 08:20am

I have had T Mobile,Cingular and now Verizon. Verizon has given me the best coverage anywhere in the US. Good luck.


Posted By: BackroadNiagraFamily on 05/08/08 04:11pm

I am about to start using my LGVX 8350R as a modem (tethered to my laptop) and Verizon's $59.99/Month Data Plan for Internet Access while on the road. I'm also thinking about an external antenna. This one in particular: http://www.wilsonelectronics.com//ViewProductB.php?ID=24

Does anyone know if these external antennas are any good? Ideas? Thoughts? Stuff I should know?

Thanks


Posted By: Anthony21403 on 05/08/08 06:23pm

Not to hijack the thread, but I have noticed that there are not that many of us that use Alltel out there. Is there any reason for this? I have had good luck with them and have been with them for six years. Any ideas on this?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/08/08 09:41pm

I think its because Altel is a much smaller company when compared to VZW or sprint, if you are not in their home coverage area, you are not likely to know about them.

I don't know if somebody with an out of area address, could even get an account with them,

almost everything i've heard about them is good, including their 'roaming & data' coverage agreements with vzw and sprint.


Posted By: Anthony21403 on 05/09/08 06:48am

I use a MotoQ with the 1200 minute Nationwide w/data plan (1200 anytime minutes, 7pm nights and weekends, unlimited mobile to mobile, unlimited text, unlimited data)plus I have 10 people I can use for MyCircle. It costs 109 dollars before tax, and then I pay an additional 10 dollars a month to tether my laptop to it for regular internet. Works pretty good for me and haven't had too many complaints. Funny thing is, a lot of the places where Verizon is, they are using Alltel towers. They both use the CDMA technology for their phones.


Posted By: Caseydon on 05/12/08 07:51pm

garym114 wrote:

at&t has a Unlimited MediaNet add on for $15.00 a month, no texting, just data. It is for phone data, browsing. It is not unlimited though, there is a 5GB cap. It is not supposed to be used for tethering but they have not shut anyone down for doing so. only for going over the cap.

I'm glad to hear about the cap, since I hadn't seen it in any of their literature. I use the $20. MediaNet plus 200 SMS package, primarily for tethering and occasionally for browsing as intended. Of course, at more or less 100k, I don't do many large downloads.
My phone is a Razr v3xx, and I'm using Motorola Phone Tools software, which is very flaky, especially on Bluetooth. Does anyone know of something better?


Casey


Posted By: garym114 on 05/13/08 09:59pm

I configured my phone for data and then setup a dial up connection for the phone.
How to setup for data on at&t
If phone tools is working your phone is probably already setup for data.
How to setup a dial up connection.
How you setup the connection depends if you are using a 3G (HSDPA) or an EDGE phone. If it is EDGE use Windows Dial Up Networking. If it is 3G use the HSDPA Handset Configuration section on the page.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/14/08 10:04pm

LONG story made short, i'm off the PDA/PPC and back to using the LG voyager, with the $15 vpak, and DUN is alive and well, i'm posting from my laptop with the voyager & DUN right now, so for me with the NationWide plan the $15 Vpak DUN is still working here in So Calif.

I really like the HTC TOUCH/xv6900 Pocket PC, and the internet connection was much faster, but i was having problems making calls from one area, verizon would give 'authentication ' error msg when trying to call out, incoming calls worked, internet worked, but i couldn't call out from this one area, really strange

I tried to fix the issue by updating the FW, and ended up with a $400 paper weight, i'll keep trying to fix it, but for the time being i'm back on my Voyager 'dumb phone' as they say on HOFO


Posted By: Jbird on 05/16/08 03:10pm

Mr Wizard or ???: Anyone know whether Verizon has cut off the 1X dial-up thru Vpak in Colorado?


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/16/08 06:53pm

I haven't had any recent feedback on this issue, the only confirmed problem area'S ,are the ones that have been posted


Posted By: res08hao on 05/17/08 01:29pm

one solution: 3G iPhone


over the hill and enjoying the view
diesel pickup and 5th wheel trailer.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/17/08 10:03pm

let us know when you get one, and how well it works out..

since its NOT YET available, it is NOT yet a solution

you know, i can't recall even ONE post about somebody tethering his PC or MAC to an iPhone..

do you have the link to such a posting, people will need that info if they want to try it when the NEW 3g iphone, comes out


Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 05/19/08 12:04pm

New to the forums...but I did want to add my two cents on this topic, as I just recently found THE solution. I went to a RV show in Portland Oregon, and found a booth called WiFi In Motion. www.wifininmotion.com This appears to finally be the answer to everything I've ever needed for Internet access while on the road. It essentially is a kit with everything I needed (cellular antenna, 3-watt amplifier, and a wireless router).

Now, my wife can be browsing the web in the passenger seat, and the kids can be on their laptop in the back, all while I'm driving down the road. Pretty slick technology!


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/19/08 10:58pm

ok, you bought in one shot pakg, wht others have been piecing together, aircard or phone, amp & wifi router for the pc's, and whos your telco provider/carrier/ISP verizon, sprint, att ?

the wifi router shares the connection among PC's, the celluar part is the internet connection

wifi in motion is a reseller, most likely your service is provided by verizon

* This post was edited 05/20/08 12:47am by MrWizard *


Posted By: folkie on 05/20/08 04:50am

What a great idea from WiFi in Motion, that was until I followed this link http://www.wifiinmotion.com/ (note there are two i's in the address, wifiinomotion' the first link did not work.)
Once I found their site, I was completely turned of with their pricing, at $795 this package is waaaaay overpriced for what's in the box.

Great concept though, Go to their website and watch the video, I heard the host say that their system works with all carriers except NexTel.

$795 seems to much to me, I'm estimating that the value of their kit should be around $360.

Router $100
Antenna $100
Amplifier $150
Cables $10

So even a price in the low $400's would be palatable, but $795 WOW! to much for this Scottish cheapskate. I hope they have competitors.



Posted By: folkie on 05/20/08 04:57am

Has anyone tried to send and receive Fax's via Cellphone?

I am hoping the answer is yes. I priced e-fax using the Internet but to be HIPPA compliant (I'm in the Insurance industry) they want over $100/month. I'm researching alternatives.



Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 05/20/08 08:33am

To folkie:

Actually, I priced out the kit, and it is all very fair...

Router is normally $250 to $300
Amp is normally $300
Antenna is at least $100
The kit also comes with both wall and auto chargers (if you get the pieces individually, they only come with wall chargers) so I figured that must be worth another $50
The kit also comes with extra cabling $20
And a 3-way mount $20

That figures to be $790...oh...now let's factor in shipping for each item separately...wich would be from $70 to $100...so again, having it all in one kit is nice.

So I figure when I added it all up, it seems pretty darn fair what they charged. Also, you can't beat the simplicity of the kit. They made it very easy for me (all the instructions you need are on the inside label of the box...no configuring required, just plug it in)...at the same time, they saved me a lot of $$$$ in time researching this, as they have done it all for me.

We use Sprint as the backbone ($59.99 for unlimited per month). We started out using free WiFi, but had a security breach, which prompted the need for a new solution...which led us to WiFi In Motion. I have to say, it is pretty cool for my wife to be on her laptop checking in on real estate transactions, banking, upcoming restaurants, weather, etc. and the kids can be in the back on their laptop. We have also become a hit at the RV parks because we share our WiFi connection (just make sure you aren't browsing any secure info like banking when you share).

I will let you know how it goes!

* This post was edited 05/20/08 08:54am by oregonrv2007 *


Posted By: AlexSian on 05/20/08 09:50am

the same equipment is sold by the company i work at for $540, and even less if a customer were to get their USB EVDO modem and service though us.

in addition, the company i work for has served the needs of thousands of RVer across north america, for years.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/20/08 12:07pm

oregonrv2007 wrote:

To folkie:

Actually, I priced out the kit, and it is all very fair...

Router is normally $250 to $300
Amp is normally $300
Antenna is at least $100
The kit also comes with both wall and auto chargers (if you get the pieces individually, they only come with wall chargers) so I figured that must be worth another $50
The kit also comes with extra cabling $20
And a 3-way mount $20

That figures to be $790...oh...now let's factor in shipping for each item separately...wich would be from $70 to $100...so again, having it all in one kit is nice.

So I figure when I added it all up, it seems pretty darn fair what they charged. Also, you can't beat the simplicity of the kit. They made it very easy for me (all the instructions you need are on the inside label of the box...no configuring required, just plug it in)...at the same time, they saved me a lot of $$$$ in time researching this, as they have done it all for me.

I will let you know how it goes!


absolutely correct on equipment costs

folkie was way under estimating the cost of amp & router

a pkg deal on the equiment and you use your own cell carrier and account, good deal


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/22/08 10:28pm

confirmed from long beach , ca verizon LG 8100 ACII plan, 1xDUN not working

but for me with the NationWide plan and vpak, DUN is working

so put So Calif on the list of no more free 1xDUN back door, america choice plan

this info via HOFO where i have been trying to gather as much info about non-working areas's as possible


Posted By: Jbird on 05/23/08 12:11pm

OH OH. I have AC with Vpak and am having no luck. Sounds like I might be better off to be on Nationwide?


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/23/08 03:28pm

the basic plans ACII or NW are the same price for the same number of minutes ( voice account )

and you have (14 days )(I think ) to switch back to ACII/old plan, if your not happy with NW ( double check this with the CS rep )( if you do this, do it by phone ) the phone reps know more than most store reps, and its easier to get the supervsior for help, if the CS rep doesn't know.
IF you do this DO NOT mention PC & internet, to them, they will either play dumb or say no.

all i know is, 'its working for me ' and we knew this was comming,


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/29/08 02:16pm

regarding sprints 5gig data cap
For what it's worth, there is a
got this from another forum, text is exerted from the linked webpage

Quote:

first-hand report by Kent German at Crave/Cnet that clarifies Sprint's unlimited data policy:

"the Simply Unlimited plan is not affected by the data usage cap, which applies only to connection card and phone-as-modem plans (tethering)"

* The vast majority of current users (about 99.5 percent) shouldn't be affected. Whether it's the 300MB roaming limit or the 5GB limit on total data usage, that's enough data to meet the regular monthly usage habits of almost all of our customers.
* Going over either limit will not cause a card to suddenly stop working.
* Going over once in a while is OK. We'll check usage using a rolling, three-month basis.
* Customers would have to exceed the limit in two out of three consecutive months to face termination.
* Initially, we are contacting customers first, to make them aware of the new limits and give them a chance to change their usage, if they want to continue using the service.
* We're investigating additional options for customers who need to use more data.
* Users will be able to check and monitor their total data usage on Sprint.com beginning June 8.
* The caps are being applied to new and existing consumer and individual-liable accounts, but not corporate-liable, business contracts, Public Sector, or government contracts. We're working on additional processes and pricing to appropriately address the needs of heavy roaming and data users among the corporate liable customer group.



Posted By: Mike Schriber on 05/31/08 03:40pm

Doh! I'm on a trip in Michigan and just tried to connect using my phone and got the Verizon broadband message. I have an old America's Choice plan without VCAST. It worked in SoCal a few weeks ago.

So, is the thinking that adding VCAST will get me going or is that been proven as a dead end?

What a bummer. There is no way I can justify $59.95 a month to use it one or two days. Argh!

Mike


2006 Damon Daybreak 3276 37' bunkhouse
2007 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited
SoCal Family Campers



Posted By: MrWizard on 05/31/08 07:27pm

vcast should work, but the $60 feature, is just that a feature, if you add it ,then remove a few days later or 10 days, it gets pro-rated at $2 a day or possibly $2 per 166mb/day ( 166 mb being 5gig/30days )

being that can use it during the day or night $6 for a weekend or $28 for a (2) week vacation could be considered reasonable

yeah spending $60 a month if not using it all the time is over kill.


Posted By: Mike Schriber on 06/01/08 07:39am

Good point. I think I'll add VCAST today and see what happens. I can always cancel it.

Thanks!

Mike


Posted By: Mike Schriber on 06/04/08 10:23pm

No dice. I added VCAST and I still get the broadband page.

Any other options or is the party over?

Mike


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/05/08 11:47am

how much are you going to use this ?

weekends ? once a month. vacation

NW plan same as you pay now + $15 vpak/vcast is what i'm on and works

or you can just add & remove the data feature, it will prorate at $2 a day ?

for occasion use only, calling cs turn on data, use 2-3 days call in turn off will be your best option


Posted By: RandD on 06/06/08 05:55am

Mike,

You can not add VCast. You need to add Broadband Access Connect to tether your phone to your PC or router for Internet access. VCast is only for the phones browser - if you can call it a browser. I use my LG VX8300 with a Cradlepoint MBR1000 router/WiFi access point for broadband access in the MH and it works quite nicely if you can get past the monthly cost for broadband service, but they will pro-rate service on a daily basis.

Mike Schriber wrote:

Good point. I think I'll add VCAST today and see what happens. I can always cancel it.

Thanks!

Mike



Randy & Diane
WB5TEY
'05 Lexington 255DS with '06 Chevy HHR following close behind



Posted By: Anthony21403 on 06/06/08 01:58pm

well, looks like I will be joining all you on Verizon due to the new merger with Alltel. So what can I expect with my plan I have now? Will it go away, or will they honor it? something I am not looking forward to.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/06/08 04:12pm

'historically' verizon has honored the plans of the 'new acquired' customers

you are not forced to change anything,

but when your plan is up, any new discounted phones will come with new contracts

you can usually keep your current phone and plan as long as you want. its only when you accept 'new' offerings that your contract changes.


Posted By: shoals42 on 06/07/08 09:58am

I have been reading and there is a lot of info...though I have not seen how to use a blackberry on Verizon's network without having to tether it and pay an additional $60 per month. Actually I don't care if I have to tether it but I just don't want to pay MORE $$$ for internet when the blackberry already has it.

The blackberry already comes with a full unlimited data plan but when I called to find out how to make it work with my laptop, the CS rep. eluded to the fact there are ways to make it work without paying an additional amount monthly.

I really need the internet on the road via laptop, I trade stocks and options daily, so it would really be a HUGE HELP, and let me extend our trips... We are planing on a 2-3month trip this summer.

I have the blackberry 8830 world phone, anyone know what I need to do?


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Posted By: magicbus on 06/07/08 10:12am

shoals42 wrote:


I have the blackberry 8830 world phone, anyone know what I need to do?
Try google - lots of people seem to do it:

Click here for an example

Dave


Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 06/07/08 02:36pm

To Shoals...I have the 8830 World Phone through Sprint and ran into the same issues...have to pay more per month. I just bit the bullet and bought a separate card, and also a kit from these guys www.wifiinmotion.com

I'm glad I did it. Eventhough I'm paying another $59.99 per month, I am definetely getting a return on my investment of both the card and the kit.

Just pencil it out and see how much money you potentially lose when you aren't connected, and see if it is worth the extra $$$. Hope that helps!


Posted By: shoals42 on 06/07/08 04:23pm

Oregon,

Thanks, for the info, I have already though about just dealing with it and taking a $60 monthly hit, via an air card. I think that will be the best thing to do. I have Verizon currently, I have been told it is one of the better services, (though I am thniking everyone may disagree and like theirs the best....) I am planning on going from S. Cal to Oregon to Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Utah, Az. (Mostly National Parks)

What would be best? I like Verizon as it is.


Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 06/07/08 04:32pm

shoals42 wrote:

Oregon,

Thanks, for the info, I have already though about just dealing with it and taking a $60 monthly hit, via an air card. I think that will be the best thing to do. I have Verizon currently, I have been told it is one of the better services, (though I am thniking everyone may disagree and like theirs the best....) I am planning on going from S. Cal to Oregon to Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Utah, Az. (Mostly National Parks)

What would be best? I like Verizon as it is.


Stick with Verizon for a data card. Sprint claims they have more high speed towers lit up, but as a whole, they are lacking on data coverage. Verizon seems to have done a good job of building out metro and rural areas. In other words, while Sprint may have more miles covered with high speed access, Verizon has more miles covered period. I guess I would rather have some access (even if it is slower) than no access at all.

Hope this helps! By the way, I'd advise not considering AT&T, as their data coverage is dwarfed by Sprint and Verizon. Happy trails!


Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 06/07/08 04:43pm

One more note...a friend of mine is going through this whole process right now...leaving on a 6 month road trip with a 5th wheel. Apparently Verizon is offering a free air card on a 2 year agreement, or you pay $120 for the card, and that lowers it to a one year agreement. At the same time, you can "suspend" your account for $5.99 per month, up to six months at a time. Just keep in mind when you do this, it pauses your contract term...so beware!


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/07/08 09:17pm

shoals42 wrote:

I have been reading and there is a lot of info...though I have not seen how to use a blackberry on Verizon's network without having to tether it and pay an additional $60 per month. Actually I don't care if I have to tether it but I just don't want to pay MORE $$$ for internet when the blackberry already has it.

The blackberry already comes with a full unlimited data plan but when I called to find out how to make it work with my laptop, the CS rep. eluded to the fact there are ways to make it work without paying an additional amount monthly.

I really need the internet on the road via laptop, I trade stocks and options daily, so it would really be a HUGE HELP, and let me extend our trips... We are planing on a 2-3month trip this summer.

I have the blackberry 8830 world phone, anyone know what I need to do?


which BB plan do you have the $45 pda/BES plan ? tethering will cost $15 more = $60 total, and you can remove the tether feature when you get home

if you have the NEWer $29.99 BB email & web plan, then the tethering charge is $30, total = $60, again you can remove it when you stop traveling

since you have a BB you must have some kind of data plan, you cannot get a BB on vzw without a data plan,

it is NOT $60 more, and an aircard will require a contract with $60 a month plus the extra taxes & fees that go with extra phone number

you trade stocks, any addition to your cell phone/BB bill is a business expense

there is NO hack for tethering a BB without paying, the BB OS is very very secure

yes 'pay as you go' is a data plan.. and if you are pauo then you must switch to a regular plan with tethering option, $60 total, the BB can not sneak in the 1x backdoor, this has to do with having a BB and the account required and the fact that the BB OS is not hackable by the avg or even above avg user


Posted By: shoals42 on 06/08/08 12:12pm

Mr. Wizard,

I have the $45BES plan with my blackberry, It is the unlimited plan (when they offered it back in Aug. 07) though the rep has said it is still capped at 5gigs monthly. I don't use that now, though with my direct access platform I may be close when on the road....anyway

Is the speed and transfer rate the same as a air card, using the blackberry thethered? I talked to a rep about a month ago and they said to activate the thethered feature it was an additional $60 monthly on top of what I currently pay for data (I think thats what he said.)???? I will have to call later and confirm

Oregon,

I looked at the card because it was "free" with a 2 yr contract. Though I don't need it for 2 yrs...and 120 for a year is still more time than I need, so I am torn. though I am thinking now it may be better to just tether it, and it will be less overall. Verizon is my favorite so I will stick with them.

Thanks again for all your reponses...I will be looking for more info soon.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/08/08 02:49pm

any rep that told $60 MORE is mistaken, it will cost $15 more for the tethering addon, and yes the speed of the BB tether should be the same as the aircard

I used the NEW HTC touch for 3 weeks, with the $45 PDA plan and tethering add on, and it was very quick, much faster than a Phone using the 1x back door


Posted By: AlexSian on 06/08/08 03:48pm

MrWizard wrote:

yes the speed of the BB tether should be the same as the aircard

maybe in 1xrtt areas, but there is no way a tethered blackberry will be the same speed as a Rev-A aircard since blackberrys are all Rev-0.

Rev-A data devices will especially leave any blackberry in the dust when it comes to uploading/sending files. Rev-0 has hardware limit of 150kbps upload, and Rev-A has no such hardware limit... with many people seeing 800+ kbps upload.

for instance: http://evdomaps.com/Fastest+Uploads

* This post was edited 06/08/08 04:53pm by an administrator/moderator *


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/08/08 08:26pm

how many aircards are RevA ? AFAIK not too many, certainly NOT all of them

my brand new HTC touch is RevA hardware with Rev0 software limits and if I want to change it, i have to flash the radio ROM with a new cooked ROM

i'm not a day trader with 2 or 3 PC's tracking stocks all day

and i doubt that the OP's is either or has the absolute need for RevA speed, also in real life use, not speed test, the RevA makes more difference in uploads and game response, due to differences in latency not as much difference in dl's or other things, streaming video certainly, stock tracking, depends on much data is in the real time feed ?

I'm not disputing the Speed attainable with revA

i am disputing your comment that a BB on rev0 is not faster than a cell phone on 1x, when we both know for a fact that it is faster.


I've seen several of your posts, and I will assume all of your personal gear is hacked and tweaked to the max, NOT stock off the shelf OEM verzion working status


Posted By: AlexSian on 06/08/08 08:37pm

MrWizard wrote:

how many aircards are RevA ? AFAIK not too many, certainly NOT all of them.
all of the currently available devices from sprint and verizon are most certainly rev-a. in fact the last rev-o device from verizon was the v640 expresscard, which came out in fall of 2006, nearly two years ago. every data device since the v640 (the last 8-10 devices) has been Rev-A.
MrWizard wrote:

I'm not disputing the Speed attainable with revA
i am disputing your comment that a BB on rev0 is not faster than a cell phone on 1x, when we both know for a fact that it is faster.
no, what i was trying to say is that any rev-o blackberry would be as fast as any rev-a device, in an 1xrtt coverage area, because 1xrtt would be the limiting factor.
MrWizard wrote:

I've seen several of your posts, and I will assume all of your personal gear is hacked and tweaked to the max, NOT stock off the shelf OEM verzion working status
thats funny. there really isn't anything i know of to hack evdo hardware... aside from making it work when nobody else could (like with mac osx), the verizon hardware i use is in fact "bone stock".

i've seen many of your posts as well, and continue to be in awe of your handset and voice plan knowledge... but since i deal with data devices all day every day, i believe i have more experience with those toys.

i stand by what i said, having tested many blackberry and other handsets in Rev-A coverage... they are close when it comes to downloads, but get left in the dust when it comes to uploads. thats all i was trying to point out.

some folks who have to decide between handsets and data devices, may care more about upload speed, simply because they may have to send photos somewhere on a regular basis. for those folks, a Rev-0 handset is at a disadvantage over any Rev-A device (handset or data device)


Posted By: Cramalot on 06/11/08 01:52pm

Need advice. Only need internet access for maybe 3 trips a year for 1 week to 2 months. Can't justify or afford air card for $60 a month for 12 months. Sounds like from reading here that I might could use the cell phone tethered to laptop using Broadband Access Connect with Verizon, prorated @ $14 a week. Is that accurate and is that the best option for me? Does Verizon want a 2 yr contract for Broadband Access Connect as well as @ 2 yr contract on the phone service? How does that work if you are adding and deleting the data service. Do you contact them to add or delete the data service or can you do it your self on line?

Does ATT offer similar option?

Thanks


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/11/08 02:29pm

Quote:


i stand by what i said, having tested many blackberry and other handsets in Rev-A coverage... they are close when it comes to downloads, but get left in the dust when it comes to uploads. thats all i was trying to point out.

some folks who have to decide between handsets and data devices, may care more about upload speed, simply because they may have to send photos somewhere on a regular basis. for those folks, a Rev-0 handset is at a disadvantage over any Rev-A device (handset or data device)


I agree about the differences in rev0 vs revA upload speed, that just didn't seem to come across in your other post.

as far as BB vs aircard, yes REV0 upload speed vs revA aircard upload, there will be a difference

I think will matter more too those uploading large hi-res pix and other documents, than to the avg Rv user

@cramalot
there is NO contract required to add data/tether Broad Band connect use to you phone plan

you can do it from my verizon/my account online or you can call CS on the phone and have it added

of course you need a phone capable of doing this ( most of them ) and the cable for connecting, some people use Blue tooth, but i find a cable has faster transfer speed than BT and the phones battery life/connection time is longer via cable over BT ( BT uses more battery POWER for the BT transceiver ),plus the cable for my voyager and my xv6900 charge the phone while plugged in, so i can use them for hours and charge the battery while i'm at it

* This post was edited 06/11/08 04:50pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: Cramalot on 06/13/08 05:30pm

Verizon, which phone? I talked to Verizon about a phone for tethering with Broadband Access Connect. The rep said they currently have no phones that will connect to an external antenna, but he said I shouldn't need one with the LG 8350. No external antenna, does that sound right?
Thanks


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/13/08 10:24pm

where & why did external antenna come into this

an external ant is not needed for tethering,

yes a phone capable of utilizing and external ant, can be used with an antenna when there is weak signal in a troublesome area

but it is not a needed component of hooking the PC to the phone


Posted By: Cramalot on 06/15/08 12:10am

Thanks for the reply.
I know the ext ant is not normally needed, but thought it would be a good idea to have that option if we are in the rv in a weak signal area. One place we go we can make voice calls less than half the time with our Samsung because of no signal.


Posted By: chrisguld on 07/05/08 06:44pm

I have Verizon, and I use my LG enV VX990 to connect using Broadband Access. I too was told that the phone didn't have a way to connect an external antenna, but it does. We uncovered every little hatch until we found it .. right under the camera lens, where it reads 2.0 megapixels. You need a straight pin to get the cover off. AND, make sure you get the correct antenna adapter for your phone - plugging it in with the wrong one can fry the phone.


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Posted By: Anthony21403 on 07/05/08 08:02pm

chrisguld,
Good tip, I just dug around on the back of my motoq and found it right where you said it would be. Since Alltel is being bought out by Verizon, how much extra does it cost you to use your cell phone for a modem?


Posted By: chrisguld on 07/05/08 09:55pm

Tony,
I still havent' figured out how much it cost! LOL
I'm told that Broadband Access Connect for my phone (BBAC) is a monthly cost of $60. The customer service rep said as soon as I turn BBAC on, I will be charged $60 for one month. I can turn it off and not be charged for the next month.

I know people who have been using this feature for a long time (well 1 year is a long time in this industry!) and say that they turn it on and off all the time and are charged a prorated amount, about $2/day.

I've had the service since January and have only used it a few days in January and a few days in April. I can't find a charge of any kind on my bill!

It may have something to do with when your contract was made. We've been Verizon customers since 2003.

So ... worse case = $60 month by month. Best case = Free! Prorated to $2/day sounds good to me.

* This post was edited 07/06/08 07:43am by chrisguld *


Posted By: folkie on 07/06/08 05:19am

Remeber this?

MrWizard wrote:

oregonrv2007 wrote:

To folkie:

Actually, I priced out the kit, and it is all very fair...

Router is normally $250 to $300
Amp is normally $300
Antenna is at least $100
The kit also comes with both wall and auto chargers (if you get the pieces individually, they only come with wall chargers) so I figured that must be worth another $50
The kit also comes with extra cabling $20
And a 3-way mount $20

That figures to be $790...oh...now let's factor in shipping for each item separately...wich would be from $70 to $100...so again, having it all in one kit is nice.

So I figure when I added it all up, it seems pretty darn fair what they charged. Also, you can't beat the simplicity of the kit. They made it very easy for me (all the instructions you need are on the inside label of the box...no configuring required, just plug it in)...at the same time, they saved me a lot of $$$$ in time researching this, as they have done it all for me.

I will let you know how it goes!


absolutely correct on equipment costs

folkie was way under estimating the cost of amp & router

a pkg deal on the equiment and you use your own cell carrier and account, good deal


If the above is just a bit to expensive for you, as it was for me. you may want to check out the zBoost YX230 signal booster @ $260. This single package extends or repeats an 800Mhz & 1900Mhz Cell Zone for multiple users inside vehicles. The YX230 captures the signal outside of the vehicle and amplifies up to a 43dB gain inside for a better signal. There is nothing attached to the phone.
http://www.wi-ex.com/Page3431.aspx

I am also giving some thought to replacing the small antenna with the Wilson high gain 10-15dB truckers antenna @ $89.95 so I am looking at a complete package under $400.
http://www.yagiantenna.com/pcsantennahtml.html

Also some of you may want to check out Wilson's dash or window mount Antenna offering 10-15dB gain, they claim 300% improvement. oh yea the price........$99.95.
http://www.yagiantenna.com/homelink.html

Has anyone else noticed the Google banner ads, they are focused on the content of this thread? follow them for other affordable options.


* This post was edited 07/06/08 05:41am by folkie *


Posted By: oregonrv2007 on 07/07/08 12:28pm

folkie wrote:

Remeber this?

MrWizard wrote:

oregonrv2007 wrote:

To folkie:

Actually, I priced out the kit, and it is all very fair...

Router is normally $250 to $300
Amp is normally $300
Antenna is at least $100
The kit also comes with both wall and auto chargers (if you get the pieces individually, they only come with wall chargers) so I figured that must be worth another $50
The kit also comes with extra cabling $20
And a 3-way mount $20

That figures to be $790...oh...now let's factor in shipping for each item separately...wich would be from $70 to $100...so again, having it all in one kit is nice.

So I figure when I added it all up, it seems pretty darn fair what they charged. Also, you can't beat the simplicity of the kit. They made it very easy for me (all the instructions you need are on the inside label of the box...no configuring required, just plug it in)...at the same time, they saved me a lot of $$$$ in time researching this, as they have done it all for me.

I will let you know how it goes!


absolutely correct on equipment costs

folkie was way under estimating the cost of amp & router

a pkg deal on the equiment and you use your own cell carrier and account, good deal


If the above is just a bit to expensive for you, as it was for me. you may want to check out the zBoost YX230 signal booster @ $260. This single package extends or repeats an 800Mhz & 1900Mhz Cell Zone for multiple users inside vehicles. The YX230 captures the signal outside of the vehicle and amplifies up to a 43dB gain inside for a better signal. There is nothing attached to the phone.
http://www.wi-ex.com/Page3431.aspx

I am also giving some thought to replacing the small antenna with the Wilson high gain 10-15dB truckers antenna @ $89.95 so I am looking at a complete package under $400.
http://www.yagiantenna.com/pcsantennahtml.html

Also some of you may want to check out Wilson's dash or window mount Antenna offering 10-15dB gain, they claim 300% improvement. oh yea the price........$99.95.
http://www.yagiantenna.com/homelink.html

Has anyone else noticed the Google banner ads, they are focused on the content of this thread? follow them for other affordable options.


Folkie...again, I appreciate the info! However, just to clarify, this kit that you are talking about is nothing like the kit I purchased. I just want to make sure this is an "apples to apples" comparison, for the sake of the company that I purchased through. The kit that you are talking about purchasing will only amplify and expand cellular voice and data card usage.

For our purposes, we have more than one laptop in our RV. We wanted to be able to have both laptops browsing the web at the same time. However, we didn't want to have to pay for two data cards through Sprint, Verizon, etc. So...we found WiFi In Motion, and it answered our prayers! The kit we have uses a high-gain antenna and an amplifier (just like this thing you found for $400)...however, for web browsing on multiple devices, the key piece of that equation is missing...the router...which comes with the WiFi In Motion kit. And again, the $400 kit doesn't come with any accessories, so if you want to move the kit from inside the RV to inside your home when no longer on the road...the WIM kit allows that.

I just wanted to clarify so the message doesn't get muddied. The kit you found for $400 only enhances your ability to use your cell phone or a single data card, or two, etc. While it seems more affordable, the antenna that comes with the $400 kit is far less effective (bben there done that), and you would end up wanting to replace the antenna after a couple of weeks any ways...which then takes your $400 kit to a $400 + kit to add an antenna. Oh...then if you want 100 and 12v power options...add in some more cash.

Please don't take this email as me throwing mud at ya...I simply want to make sure we don't confuse the message for tyhose that read this...bottom line...

Your $400 kit that you're looking at: enhances and expands cellular coverage.

The kit we purchased from WiFi In Motion: enhances and expands cellular coverage AND creates a secure wi-fi network (basically converts your RV into a big hotspot).

Please let me know if you have any questions...and hopefully this clears things up! Regards!


Posted By: folkie on 07/08/08 06:04am

No offence taken, your not throwing mud at me, you have found something that meets your needs and you are very happy with it, congratulations. BTW thanks for sharing your excitement with us, you are the reason I started researching this technology to see if I could achieve similar results more avoidably.

I do like the sound of what you have there and the multi computer capability is ideal, but! It's just the price that is not palatable for my Scottish sensibility (or lack of.) You see (to give you the whole picture) we are newbies and still shopping around for our first Class A, our plan is to narrow our search down to that (ideal) used MH and make our purchase within the next couple of months. We also have to keep in mind that we will need a Car Dolly, Electric brake control installed, Insurance and probably tons of other things I am overlooking. Tightly controlling our budget is an absolute necessity, hence my needs are very different from yours.

I found the zBoost YX230 signal booster @ $260 answered our Cellular and Wireless needs as well as our budgetary needs, I do have to clarify the kit comes complete and ready to go with Antenna, amplifier wires and 12 volt lighter plug at that price. The zBoost also creates your own hot spot.
My $400 figure was achieved because I'm going to swap out the antenna for a HIGH gain Wilson truckers antenna @ $90. Plus shipping and so on.

There are probably dozens if not more ways folks can achieve the same results and the prices will be right accross the board all the way up to high end Satellite Internet connection. Not everyone has the same needs, expectation or means. Like you oregonrv2007 I did not intend to challenge, disagree or offend, My intent was to show the good folks who follow these forum threads that there are cheaper options available all the way down to a Wilson dash mount amplifier priced at $99.95.

I have no doubt that once we settle into our full time RV life I will be adding a MAC AIRPORT to the mix creating a multi computer capable network. with Broadband Aircard plugged into the Airport I look forward to the day that we also have the 2 laptop convenince you enjoy today oregonrv2007.



Posted By: TriumphGuy on 07/30/08 09:51am

Just want to do a double check here - we've got LG (8300 I think) phones and have done the 1X backdoor from time to time. We have a family share america's choice plan.

Looked over the last few pages - in summary, it looks like Verizon is shutting off the backdoor?

I am considering a BB for myself and going to NW plan - but then it's $30/mo to tether, on top of the data plan I would be paying for to use the BB?

*sigh* I knew it was coming...


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Posted By: MrWizard on 08/01/08 09:43pm

yep, the BB web & email plan is $29.95, tethering for the PC another $30
and AFAIK..the BB can NOT be hacked to get by without the extra charge

of course you can add & remove the $30 tethering when NOT traveling

but the other data charge is a fixed requirement with BB's

all BB's must have a data feature on the account


Posted By: TriumphGuy on 08/03/08 08:34am

Thanks for the reply - I'm pretty sure I'm going ahead with the BB, then add tethering as needed. It seems that I can get to most of what I typically need with the BB (weather info, google map) so I might not need to tether that much. We'll see!


Posted By: bucky on 09/06/08 06:57am

I have reread the posts since Jan 08, I felt that anything prior has probably changed in the wireless world. So riddle me this please. DW now qualifies for an upgrade with VW, we are weekenders 15-20 times a year, and want internet when we travel. I saw mention in this thread somewhere about a phone being a wifi hotspot, but can't find it again. What would you suggest as the best Verizon phone and plan for web browsing and email with some multiple LT use? Looks like turning Broadband Access on and off at $2 a day would work best, but which phone do you think best? Thanks for any input.


I just realized that my last 4 trucks were gas GMC, diesel Ford, gas Chevy, and now a diesel Dodge. I didn't realize I was so open minded lol.


Posted By: chrisguld on 09/06/08 08:57am

We have Verizon and the LG eNV. It works quite well as an internet connection with the Mobile Office Kit. I wrote about it in detail in this blog post

At the time, I wasn't sure what it was going to cost me. They gave us one month free, and since we only used it a few days here and there it took a while to go thru that one month. this month, we were finally charged and they do indeed prorate the $60/month by the days you use it. Here's the line item from my Verizon wireless bill:
BBA Connect 5GB/$.25mb - 08/12 - 08/23 23.22

I think it's a fantastic option for occasional travelers. I also wrote about this in a newsletter article

As for turning it into a 'hotspot', you'll need a router. The folks at EVDOinfo.com can advise you on the best one.
10/16/08 note: you can also use Internet Connection sharing - see my 9/25 RV.net blog article Cell phone Internet Hot Spot

* This post was last edited 10/16/08 04:09am by chrisguld *


Posted By: Rangerdave on 09/06/08 11:21am

we just got ours upgraded. we went with the bad mofo of a phone the xv6800. it has wifi built in and a full 4 way gps chip in it. of course verizon locks you out (sorta) of the gps chip functions but that dosent stop a full blown community modding the software and getting it to work picking up sats in less than 10 seconds. mine will show me right at the end of my house in my office.
back to the subject.
this phone has the wifi built in so i can just turn on internet connection sharing and adhoc the connection to the laptop, or just connect the usb cable and allow the sharing there.

now one big thing, you really do need to have an unlimited data plan. if not you will sorely regret it.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 10/08/08 10:27pm

the xv6800 is a windows mobile smart phone PPC ( i have the xv6800 in the closet ) the xv6900 is one of the few phones on verizons network to have wifi capabilities , other phones can be used for (2) pc's via connection sharing but not thru wifi with the phone ( cables between PC's or 'AdHoc' wifi between PC's ) NON wifi ( normal feature ) phones cannot connect to more than ONE PC at a time

when requesting data plans be sure you specify you want either the $59 'monthly' full data plan OR the daily pro-rated plan, you can have this feature turned on or off as needed, but if you purchase the monthly, you will be billed monthly even if you do NOT use it every day


Posted By: Rangerdave on 10/09/08 12:59am

MrWizard wrote:

the xv6800 is a windows mobile smart phone PPC ( i have the xv6800 in the closet ) the xv6900 is one of the few phones on verizons network to have wifi capabilities , other phones can be used for (2) pc's via connection sharing but not thru wifi with the phone ( cables between PC's or 'AdHoc' wifi between PC's ) NON wifi ( normal feature ) phones cannot connect to more than ONE PC at a time

when requesting data plans be sure you specify you want either the $59 'monthly' full data plan OR the daily pro-rated plan, you can have this feature turned on or off as needed, but if you purchase the monthly, you will be billed monthly even if you do NOT use it every day


Through wifi? naa, i use bluetooth. its a slew easier and alot more stable with a ppc phone. And if your concerned about the addon tether for the internet, just get the cab file for "internet connection sharing" for the ppc, it will take care of the rest.
No tether here.
Never have, never will.

RD


Posted By: MrWizard on 10/10/08 12:53pm

yes BT works so does a cable, but i believe the question was about using a phone modem connection ( as a wifi hotspot ) with more than ONE PC at the same time ( 2 PC's, the op and the wife )

NO phone i'm aware of will create a BT connection to (2) different PC's simultaneously

NO feature phone will act as a router

you need a PPC running a router ( connection sharing ) program and WIFI

BT protocols are NOT designed for connection sharing

so for the poster with the 'riddle me this' question

do you want to use 1 pc or 2 ?

one via cable or BT is easy and can use the daily pro-rated service

a wifi enable smart phone is going to require a monthly data plan
NO $2 'days of use' prorating, the selection of phones with built in wifi is severely limited

* This post was edited 10/10/08 01:04pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: astalavistababy on 10/15/08 11:07pm

sounds pretty complicated to me.

I use T-mobile
1. choose any calling plan that suites your needs
2. choose the phone that is designed for datapacket downloads. I chose Nokia 5300, got it for free after I subscribed to an annual plan. The phone comes with the proper plug and play USB cable included.

3. download Nokia PC suite and get started.

4. Subscribe to the internet feature ($20) and here you go.

Phone comes with camera, video feature and much more. It even has night features which takes awesome pic's.
You have unlimited internet access at all times without using up your minutes.


Posted By: Rangerdave on 10/15/08 11:14pm

MrWizard wrote:

yes BT works so does a cable, but i believe the question was about using a phone modem connection ( as a wifi hotspot ) with more than ONE PC at the same time ( 2 PC's, the op and the wife )

NO phone i'm aware of will create a BT connection to (2) different PC's simultaneously

NO feature phone will act as a router

you need a PPC running a router ( connection sharing ) program and WIFI

BT protocols are NOT designed for connection sharing

so for the poster with the 'riddle me this' question

do you want to use 1 pc or 2 ?

one via cable or BT is easy and can use the daily pro-rated service

a wifi enable smart phone is going to require a monthly data plan
NO $2 'days of use' prorating, the selection of phones with built in wifi is severely limited


ppc geeks
xda

those 2 sites will answer all your questions-and much more

* This post was edited 10/16/08 12:46am by Rangerdave *


Posted By: bucky on 10/16/08 02:51am

Thanks so much for all of your input. I know that I can always count on the members here for the right info. I am going to use a tethered PDA so that I can get the $2 a day plan


Posted By: MrWizard on 10/16/08 01:18pm

Rangerdave wrote:

MrWizard wrote:

yes BT works so does a cable, but i believe the question was about using a phone modem connection ( as a wifi hotspot ) with more than ONE PC at the same time ( 2 PC's, the op and the wife )

NO phone i'm aware of will create a BT connection to (2) different PC's simultaneously

NO feature phone will act as a router

you need a PPC running a router ( connection sharing ) program and WIFI

BT protocols are NOT designed for connection sharing

so for the poster with the 'riddle me this' question

do you want to use 1 pc or 2 ?

one via cable or BT is easy and can use the daily pro-rated service

a wifi enable smart phone is going to require a monthly data plan
NO $2 'days of use' prorating, the selection of phones with built in wifi is severely limited


ppc geeks
xda

those 2 sites will answer all your questions-and much more


i know about PPC geeks, great site, if your into hacking your smart phones

it is NOT a site for the easily intimidated technology challenged or the feint of heart

my questions was not 'what to do'
my questions were to the poster, about what HE WANTED to do


Posted By: MrWizard on 10/25/08 02:16pm

a little update regarding win-mobile PPC's - PDA

Verizon Reps are trained to say that "exchange" will not work...

What is actually blocked on this plan is your access to Verizon's "Wireless Sync" Application which they try to force upon you as the only way to sync your data...

Luckily windows mobile already has all of those features built into the activesync app on your phone and we dont have to connect through one of verizon's servers to get to our own exchange servers...

I have made the mistake several times, saying corp MS exchange sync, does not work on the cheaper data plans

the cheaper data plans do NOT have verizon wirless sync,

MS exchange sync works find, you just have to get your 'exchange server' info and set it up

in reality this does not apply to most RV users, just the corp ones that need to stay 'in the know' when away from the office


Posted By: fbranham on 12/30/08 06:25am

I'm not sure if it has already been mentioned, but I use a wireless router with my 3G laptop card. It allows us more than one laptop to be used securely anywhere around our rv (and our camping friends if we configure their laptop). Its a Linksys WRT54G3G-AT. They make them for other carriers as well.


Posted By: Rangerdave on 12/30/08 06:43am

most newer routers that have a usb port are getting firmware to support cellphone cards. my dir655-dlink can even accept the phone plugged into a usb cord.


Posted By: lionel_046 on 01/04/09 11:56am

Concerning using a verizon phone teathered to a laptop. I've got the phone teathered, etc. When I contact Verizon the site says the plan is $59.95 for 5 gig a month. Verizn rep says that if turned on / off then the 5 gig is prorated also. Is there a way to get unlimited data with teathering on Verizon? Thanks, Harry


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Posted By: MrWizard on 01/04/09 09:08pm

there is NO way, ( that i know of ) to get actual real unlimited data, this is something verizon does NOT offer.

some att plans used to offer unlimited mobile web or unlimited tethering, but at has changed that to a similar/same setup as verizon.

it was unlimited data when you used 'call minutes' for your connection and would not leave the laptop on all night downloading music and video and there was no 'youTube' on the web. when you haD TO pay for your minutes,

for a short span ( about 2 yrs ) the backdoor using 'unlimited night minutes' let me get a lot of online time and NO data worry, but that has been pretty well closed off. except for a few old hackers on OLD 'legacy plans' who have NOT upgraded their plans with 'free phones'.

you can get connected for less than the $59 but, you will still have the 5 gig limit, and settings inside the phone have to be changed to do this.


Posted By: Caseydon on 01/04/09 09:49pm

I have two phones on an ATT Family Plan, a Motorola V3xx and an LG Shine. Each of them has a $20/month subscription for "Media Max 200 Bundle", which consists of unlimited Internet Media Net service plus 200 text messages per month. Both phones are tethered to their respective PC's. One was used as its PC's only Internet access for several months until recently. The other is used as a periodic backup to a sometimes unreliable ISP connection, and for access when traveling.

The maximum usage of either of these hasn't exceeded 2 gigs in a month, so I can't know whether ATT would catch them at 5 gigs, but they surely haven't caught either one in over a year of moderate usage. It's fairly clear that the Media Net service is only intended for use with the phone's internal browser, but ATT's web site still carries an old Cingular instruction sheet for setting up the tether connection. Where 3G service is available, the connection appears to operate at 3G speed.


Posted By: AlexSian on 01/05/09 07:14am

Let me add a caveat to MrWizard's post... he means there is no way NOW to get a NEW line of service that does not have some sort of 5GB limitation attached to it.

Casey and others may chime in that they have no such limitation on their EXISTING contract, but that may only be true because the limitations came into existence after the start of their contract date.

If you have no 5GB limitation, enjoy it while it lasts.

The fact that you have it, does not mean others can still get it on new lines of service.


Posted By: lionel_046 on 01/05/09 07:47am

Mr Wizard,

Thanks for the info.

Harry


Posted By: Caseydon on 01/05/09 08:09am

EVDOalex wrote:

Casey and others may chime in that they have no such limitation on their EXISTING contract, but that may only be true because the limitations came into existence after the start of their contract date.

Just for the record, I don't know whether or not there is a usage limitation in my existing contract. Further, I don't know whether or not ATT is content to allow tethering, perhaps at some level, under their Unlimited Media Net service, or simply hasn't recognized that I do it. I do accept, cynically, that "unlimited" does not necessarily mean unlimited.


Posted By: lionel_046 on 01/05/09 09:35am

Mr Wizard,

I have turned on the 59/month option with Verizon and almost everything seems to work well. Two questions I would appreciate info on.
1. I have a hotmail acount and I can log on, send and receive emails fine. Trying to send on my regular home email through outlook - no go - pop3 error messages. Is there something I can change to fix this?

2. As I will be an on again / off again user of the 59/month access, how and where do I turn it off to take advantage of the pro rated feature.

Thank you very much for your help. Harry


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/05/09 07:39pm

the easiest way to turn it off, ( for pro rate advantage ) is to call Customer Service.

is your hotmail attached to your home ISP provider cable or dsl

likely it will not let you send from a differnent ISP connection

if this was free sign up account not comming with your landline ISP, then it is a matter of correct settings on the PC,

IF your using the same PC and the same account settings, but it won't work with the vzw connection, you will need to use the web access to your hotmail acct NOT outlook, or setup a different acct and use the hotmail address for the 'REPLY TO' for anyone responding.

in others words an indirect or redirect labling

other users with more hotmail and out look experinece can help you with this

* This post was edited 01/05/09 07:49pm by MrWizard *


Posted By: lionel_046 on 01/05/09 08:16pm

Mr Wizard,

Thanks again for the info; think I'm all set. Harry


Posted By: peaches&cream on 01/11/09 07:57pm

I appologize if this has been covered. I am looking at a Blackberry vs Aircard and Cradlepoint.

I have a shared wireless plan with Verizon which has 1 year left on the renewal.I can purchase a Blackberry for $99.00. This is counting a rebate and a new 2 year subscription. The internet service for the Blackberry cost $29.00 per month. If I want to teter it will cost and additional $29.00 a month or $1.00 per day.

A Cradlepoint 350 cost around $125.00 and Verizon will give me the Aircard if I sign a 2 year contract at $59.00 a month.

Does the Aircard have any advantage over the Blackberry other than wireless to more than 1 computer at a time? I use Comcast in my stick house so my usage would be in the MH and at our Beachhouse which has no cable internet available.

Thanks,
Larry






Posted By: AlexSian on 01/11/09 08:28pm

peaches&cream wrote:

...Does the Aircard have any advantage over the Blackberry other than wireless to more than 1 computer at a time?

when the blackberry is tethered to the cradlepoint, it too will provide wireless to more than one computer at a time.

if the blackberry you are considering is NOT the storm, then it won't be as fast as the current 'aircards' which are Rev-A capable. (The Storm is too, so it will be as fast when tethering)

One last disadvantage for the BB is that while tethered, you cannot talk on the phone.


Posted By: peaches&cream on 01/12/09 08:32am

Alex,

Thanks for the information.

I have 2 questions before I decide which way to go.

1. Is the Internet service as good using Blackberry Storm compared to using the Aircard? (no extra antennas added to either)

2. Is there any add-on antenna avaiable for the Storm which would enhance the service.

Larry


Posted By: AlexSian on 01/12/09 09:28am

peaches&cream wrote:

Alex,
Thanks for the information.
I have 2 questions before I decide which way to go.
1. Is the Internet service as good using Blackberry Storm compared to using the Aircard? (no extra antennas added to either)
2. Is there any add-on antenna avaiable for the Storm which would enhance the service.

Assuming good signal to both a Storm and a USB modem, the performance should be very much identical.

The advantage that the USB modem has is that it comes with an RV/antenna jack, making it easy to improve signal to USB modem.

No blackberry that I know of has ever had an RF/antenna jack. Here's a good site to see if a phone has an available antenna adapter: http://wilsonelectronics.com/Adapters.php

There are "wireless repeater" options to improve signal to any phone that doesn't have an RF/antenna jack (like blackberrys and iPhones), but no wireless repeater will be as cheap as adding a "booster antenna" to the USB modem.

Hmm... am i making your decision easier, or harder?


Posted By: snookmjt on 01/12/09 12:13pm

If you are still searching for a provider, you may wish to contact "3Gstore.com". They sell systems for wireless access and I found them very knowledgeable and helpful when I was doing my search. Initially I tried using T-Mobile since that is my cell provider, but they could not make their system work. 3Gstore worked with me to figure out the best provider and made the system work. My contract has no limits and I've had access near everywhere we've gone.

The phone number for 3Gstore is 847-462-4004, and their email is "sales@3Gstore.com".


Tim and Mary Jane
Mandalay 40B



Posted By: peaches&cream on 01/12/09 12:22pm

I have decided to try the Blackberry Storm. I have a 30 day return on the phone if I do not like it. I have 1 year left on my contract with Verizon and I am happy using them as a provider. If I do not like the Storm, I will trade it for the Aircard.
Thanks for all the info.
Larry


Posted By: anchor on 01/19/09 02:14pm

We have used Verizon for about 10 years or more whether on our ocean going boat or motorboat. Naturally on the boat you had to be in range. We use it month by month when we travel with the motorhome. Buy a cable plug one end in the bottom of the Verizon phone and the other in USB. It does take a special phone that has the port on the bottom where the charger is on some models. It is called BBA, Broadband Band Access. Look on a Verizon map they seem to have the most coverage anywhere in the U.S.


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Posted By: kcattacam on 02/01/09 02:56pm

Dear Mr, Wizard - etal

So - ok... I am new! Just joined today. Actually, I do not even currently own an MH - expect to in 30 to 60 days if all goes well and that is a diffeent subject all together.

I will be a full timer once we do. I currently depend on high speed internet access and have top speed connection through cable (Charter) with 6 household computers attached .... once we go FT in our soon to be MH I will have one desk top and one lap top.

I have pretty much decided to go with the Sprint/Nextel wireless internet service for many reasons (problems with Veriszon and ATT). Cell phones are separate through Tracphone on pay as you go basis and that will stay that way (no need to screw with attaching my pc's to my phone).

I have perused some of the posts here and so far have not come up with a definiteve answer to my question which is. How do I hook both computers up to the Sprint wireless USB modem... what do I need to do this (or perhaps the first question - CAN I do this)

Mike


Posted By: joelmyer on 02/01/09 03:18pm

kcattacam wrote:

Dear Mr, Wizard - etal
How do I hook both computers up to the Sprint wireless USB modem... what do I need to do this (or perhaps the first question - CAN I do this)

Mike


Yes

3gstore

I have no affiliation, several satisfied customers on the RVForum.

Joel


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Posted By: MrWizard on 02/01/09 08:39pm

yes

you want a 3g router, it connects to the usb modem, and acts the same as your current 'cable router'

you can be wired/Ethernet or wifi , between router and the PC's


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/06/09 06:11pm

Thank you Joelmeyer & Mr Wizard...

I just purchased the CradlePoint MBR1000 from 3g and expect delivery early next week.

I was also looking at the auxilary antennas and am keen on the larger unit with the built in ground plain set up.

I basically have three questions here.

1: does anybody have any reccomendations as to size or model, and how to best mount it to the MH - any problems with clearance issues and such.

2: I note they sell a ligntning/surg protector - but it requires grounding... it would seem that this would not work well in a MH - any thoughts or comments on this?

3: is 3G the best place to purchase such an antenna, or would a local marker such as RadioShack or camping world.... maybe Frys be a cheaper and better place to find one.

Any input on boosting the signal from your own experiences would be much appreciated.

Thank you

Mike


Posted By: bill h on 02/07/09 11:08am

kcattacam wrote:


I was also looking at the auxilary antennas and am keen on the larger unit with the built in ground plain set up.

I basically have three questions here.

1: does anybody have any reccomendations as to size or model, and how to best mount it to the MH - any problems with clearance issues and such.


I have used a Wilson trucker antenna for years with good result. My present LG Dare seems to need it a lot for Verizon voice coverage, even when I am in sight of their tower. The Dare needs the antenna less for tethering, though. If I were shopping today, I would also look at the Cyfre Super Trucker antenna.

Quote:

3: is 3G the best place to purchase such an antenna, or would a local marker such as RadioShack or camping world.... maybe Frys be a cheaper and better place to find one.


Avoid radio Shack or Frys. Neither has any knowledge or experienced employees in that area. CW can be either way, depending on who quit or who got hired this week.

I have not used a booster amplifier, but you might think about it. A lot of people report great improvements by adding an amp to a good antenna.


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Posted By: BCam on 02/14/09 10:13am

I'm pretty good when it comes to technology but doesn't this all strike you as pretty complex, unpredictable and expensive? Fifty-four pages of often conflicting suggestions, wow!

I wonder when the industry will wake up and offer a simple, affordable means of accessing the internet when on the road periodically for relatively short periods of time without committing to a long-term high monthly fee.


Posted By: AlexSian on 02/14/09 10:31am

BCam wrote:

I wonder when the industry will wake up and offer a simple, affordable means of accessing the internet when on the road periodically for relatively short periods of time without committing to a long-term high monthly fee.

already possible. just get a verizon EVDO Rev-A phone and you can activate/deactivate the "data feature" which allows you to tether to your computer for high speed access when/where you need it.


Posted By: BCam on 02/14/09 11:54am

OK, then explain to me why the following response makes EVDO sound so expensive, plus there are differing opinions as to the "facts":

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/21365207/gotomsg/21366435.cfm#21366435

I already spend $50+ for my home internet and $70 for our cell phones. I don't want to spend another $60 or so per month with a 2-year commitment for the convenience of connecting now and then while on the road. I want to spend a few dollars for a few days or couple of weeks, pay nothing for two or three months, pay for a few days and so on.

If I'm missing something, please explain.


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/14/09 12:17pm

BCam - well... I am there .... currently (I HAD) cable internet, Vonage VOIP phone service whuich is GREAT and a pay as you go TracPhone cell phone.... I need the ability for full time anywhere internet.

I just received my broadband internet device from Sprint - works great, the unit is FREE and the service is $60 month for 5 GB of data -- I could not use that much data throughput in 3 months and I am on the internet 24/7. I just receved my new Cradlepoint MBR1000 from 3g store. FANTASTIC I had my cable modem hooked in to a Linksys wi-fi and had 4 computers attached hard wire and 0ne wi-fi..... NOW I have the same hooked up to the MBR1000 withthe sprint service. Yes it is slightly slower but If I attached an external atenna (I will do once I get the MH I want) I will be fine... no problems now and I wont have more than two computers once we do the FT thing.---

Now I havbe full time wireless internet connection and I also Have my Vonage phones attached to my main computer --- IT ALL WORKS GREAT. So what is my bottom line: I was paying Charter $120 a month for their famous "Bundle" crap, $30 to Vonage for unlimited long distance phone and Trac phone on a pay as I go - about $120 per YEAR.... Now I pay Sprint $60 a month and am able to use my computer just about anywhere (That I will be going anyway) and if I keep Vonage, $30 a month... and of course, Tracphone pay as I go... which I can throw in the trash any time I choose... likely will keep it - I like it......

oh - the MBR1000 cost me 200 - but now its mine - no rental fees...

Cut to the chase, I cut my monthly bill down by $60 and have total freedom --- my laptop on wi-fi even works better because of the level 5 protocol that the MBR1000 uses... an take it 10 campers down and still be on our wi-fi!

Hard wired phone & cable with their high cost and "bundle" games can take a leap!


Posted By: AlexSian on 02/14/09 12:23pm

Your understanding is spot on, but applies to a "dedicated data device with service" -- for instance, using a USB modem to provide internet connectivity to the computer it is attached to.

while that is the more popular approach to get mobile broadband service, my response isn't about that, and describes a way to provide what you had asked for in you earlier post (quoted below):
Bcam wrote:

accessing the internet when on the road periodically for relatively short periods of time without committing to a long-term high monthly fee
I don't know what carrier you currently pay $70/mo for cell/voice phone service but:
  • if it is Verizon, AND
  • at least one of those phones is capable of accessing verizon high speed data service, AND
  • if that phone can be tethered to laptop
then you can call verizon and tell them to activate the "data feature" for that phone, which allows you to surf the internet on your computer, while it is tethered to your phone -- when and where you need to.

This does not require a separate contract to do this, its a verizon feature you can enable/disable when you need it. IF you were to have the feature enabled for an entire month, it could add as much as $60/mo to your bill.

BUT, if you only need casual/infrequent use and remember to call and disable when you are done using it, then Verizon will PRO-RATE the monthly service for the days you have that "data feature" enabled. This exactly addresses what you asked for in later post: (quoting again)
Bcam wrote:

I want to spend a few dollars for a few days or couple of weeks, pay nothing for two or three months, pay for a few days and so on.

Hope that clarifies things enough? if not, ask another specific question and i'l do my best to answer.


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/14/09 12:26pm

... oh, and as far as it being pretty complex... NO WAY. (unless you have problems with round pegs and square holes...)

What is easier than plug and play - literally. take you MBR1000 router, plug your Sprint (or Verizon) wireless broadband in to the USB port (2 provided on the router), plug you computer in to one of the 4 eithernet ports and press go - it sets itself up with all of the built in software in both the broadband wireless modem and the MBR1000 - then set your laptop to hook in to the wi-fi and plug your Vonage in to your computer USB port and your cooking with PROPANE!


Posted By: BCam on 02/14/09 03:24pm

kcattacam wrote:

... oh, and as far as it being pretty complex... NO WAY. (unless you have problems with round pegs and square holes...)


Come on, that's a bit condescending and I respectfully suggest that you check your attitude at the door and try being more helpful along the lines of EVDOalex, who has been very helpful to me.

I'm not a technological idiot, among other things, I've been building my own PCs for years, however, wireless communication issues are something I haven't yet explored to any degree.

Most things aren't that complex once you've done them and once you know what to do. My dilemma is knowing which option to pursue and the fact that there are 54 pages of comments, suggestions and opinions on this topic here is indicative that it's not so "simple". The physical act of connecting the pieces and making it work aren't my problem.

I'm not looking to get into a flame fight here and am signing off for now.


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/14/09 04:23pm

Bob,

Please don't take my comment the wrong way... I keep trying to inject humor and keep forgetting that this is the sterile internet where nobody has a sense of humor and all seem to have a thin skin... please don't take that the wrong way either ... I AM NOT TRYING TO FLAME YOU!

The bottom line on this issue for me is that I NEED to be able to be connected without a hard wire, and I need to be mobile. For me, wireless communication is a must and I was trying to say, in my unintentional condescending way, was that I was a bit confused over your comments about complexity and was actually trying to explain how easy it all is. Believe it or not, there a lot of people out there, including myself, that have no idea what all of the mumbo jumbo is all about. They are like me... if I can't plug and play it, it is all but useless.

You mentioned that you had read conflicting input from the thread and apparently not sure where to turn.

I guess you need to first decide if you want or need dynamic 24/7 wireless internet and if it is worth it to you to either have it along with your hard wire phones and internet connection, or like I have done... do a way with the wire all together and go 100% wireless.

I was only trying to assure you that it works and it is easy to do... nothing else...

I apologize in advance to all if this or any of my posts were considered a flame... I will try to avoid my feeble humor from now on.

Mike - flameless


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/14/09 04:43pm

one last note:

So far, I am 100% satisfied with the set up I purchased, I have a minimum of 4 bars without an auxilary atenna (and the laptop on wi-fi is running at 10meg per second). The Sprint Nextel service area is huge - perhaps every bit as big as Verizon (which is a dirty word to me for reasons of my own). The Cradlepoint is a top rated top of the line unit - you don't need that much, but I do have a laptop that we run wi-fi and the additional cost for the best was minimal. all attached computers both eithernet and wi-fi are high and wide as they say in CB talk and my Vonage phone service is great... all over this itty bitty Sierra Wireless wireless modem. It even has a port to plug in a 32GB memory chip... I have not figured out how to make it do the dishes yet... can anyone advise me on this aspect? LOL

If I sound like a commercial for these guys, I am not. I am just trying to advise everyone here what I have and what my experience is.

Long term reliability is the only area I can not currently speak to but I am willing to bet it is bettere than the hard wire service I have had... outages and downtime na dwhat call brown outs when the ISP's are jammed with traffic... I have had that with Verizon, AT&T and Charter cable - so far none of that with Sprint. I can speak to Vonage reliability - Very clear efficent service with never a problem for over a year now, and one consistant never changing monthly bill with no gimmicks - very straight forward.

So tht's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Mike (a bit sticky)


Posted By: BCam on 02/14/09 07:04pm

Mike-

Thanks for your follow-up and explanation. I don't think I'm ready to completely cut the cord (literally) yet, in part because cell coverage in my house is somewhat marginal (although I'm sure we'll all be wireless in time). Currently I only need wireless data access only about 10% of the time so I've been looking for a relatively inexpensive, pay-as-you-go alternative. It sounds like Alex's suggestion should work for me, I'll just have to remember to turn it on and off so I don't get hit with a monthly fee.


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/14/09 07:45pm

we fulltime, we are totally wireless, NO landlines or cable,

I use the data with phone, i also test phones, so my data useage and account features change every few months, I go from NO data, to mobile phone web, to full tethering and back again

while i have used aircards, i do not have one right now

using data on the phone means (1) less phone number, less add on local taxes & state charges, and NO dedicated contract for using an aircard

data features for the phones can be added & removed or changed as needed,

using the phone to tether for a modem, is the easiest way to alterable removable service 'as needed' no additional contract, just pay for the days needed, a week, a week end, or a month

call customer service, turn on before trip, turn off after trip

just don't download movies & music if you are going to do limit your days
because IF your data useage exceeds the pro-rate useage you will get an overage charge

as far as this thread, only the last yr of posting is the most applicable

as all carriers have added features and chaged their data limits & pricing structures,

it like reading a thread on campground prices or gas prices and looking at posts from (2-3_ years ago0, NON-applicable


Posted By: bill h on 02/14/09 11:39pm

We pay $60 per month for Hughesnet at home.
When we leave for a trip, I suspend the Hughesnet and activate the tethering feature on my Dare. That costs me $60 per month, or pro-rata. So, the cost is the same, whichever one is off or on.

When the Verizon broadband feels like working, it is faster than Hughesnet.


Posted By: kcattacam on 02/15/09 01:17pm

Bob,

I wonder what would happen to your cell service if you had an auxillary antenna on the roof - 3g store (and I am sure others) offers several antenna options. I was looking at one that is a wireless proximity boost for a regular cell phone - you just need to be close to it to benefit.

They also have options for my Sierra Wirelss modem with various size antennas with built in grounding plane so that they can easily be attached to a MH mirror or ladder - and a model that attaches through the MH roof... these plug directly in to the wireless modem.

It says that they really kick up a signal - your cell phone may be getting 0 to 1 bars and the modem on the antenna could be getting 3 to 5

I would like to ask the list if anyone has had experience with these antennas, how they work, what type or model is best, any advise regarding where best to buy them, best way to install on a MH and surge/lightning protection - how do you ground a surge protector on an MH without a copper rod pounded in to the ground... or do you even need one anywy.

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Posted By: StuartT on 02/21/09 10:37am

EVDOalex wrote:

Your understanding is spot on, but applies to a "dedicated data device with service" -- for instance, using a USB modem to provide internet connectivity to the computer it is attached to.

while that is the more popular approach to get mobile broadband service, my response isn't about that, and describes a way to provide what you had asked for in you earlier post (quoted below):
Bcam wrote:

accessing the internet when on the road periodically for relatively short periods of time without committing to a long-term high monthly fee
I don't know what carrier you currently pay $70/mo for cell/voice phone service but:
  • if it is Verizon, AND
  • at least one of those phones is capable of accessing verizon high speed data service, AND
  • if that phone can be tethered to laptop
then you can call verizon and tell them to activate the "data feature" for that phone, which allows you to surf the internet on your computer, while it is tethered to your phone -- when and where you need to.

This does not require a separate contract to do this, its a verizon feature you can enable/disable when you need it. IF you were to have the feature enabled for an entire month, it could add as much as $60/mo to your bill.

BUT, if you only need casual/infrequent use and remember to call and disable when you are done using it, then Verizon will PRO-RATE the monthly service for the days you have that "data feature" enabled. This exactly addresses what you asked for in later post: (quoting again)
Bcam wrote:

I want to spend a few dollars for a few days or couple of weeks, pay nothing for two or three months, pay for a few days and so on.

Hope that clarifies things enough? if not, ask another specific question and i'l do my best to answer.


Actually I just called Verizon and what they told me is that I would have my basic family plan cost of $70, and to activate a Blackberry type cell phone that could teather and link to my laptop, (beside the phone cost) I would need to add the Smart Phone Plan for $45 and $15 for 5 Gig of usage time (totalling $60). If I enable for just a week of any given month and disable the remainder of the month, my bill would reflect my basic $70, the Smart Phone Plan of $45, and the $15 would be prorated for the week I used it. The Smart Phone Plan charge of $45 would not be not prorated.


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/21/09 11:18am

that is correct. BB's REQUIRE a BB data plan/feature be on your account

you can NOT have a BB on verizon with out a BB data plan

there are several options , the best know is the smart phone pda plan $45 month add on

but there is also a BB 'email & web' plan $30 ($29.95) per month

if your current plan is $70 FSP and NO BB, (2) regular feature/dumb phones

you can add BB 'email & web' for $30, this is the cheapest way to have a BB. this cannot be dropped or turned off, IF you have a BB active on your account, you must have a data feature/plan

for temporary tethering, you add another $30 charge per month $60 total

that charge will be pro-rated at $0.50 a day for 1 weeks usage, provided you do not exceed 7 days pro-rated data usage 7*166mb

many people do NOT know about the $30 BB 'email & web' plan... yes thats what it is called and you have to ask for it by name.

hope this helps you out.


Posted By: StuartT on 02/21/09 11:54am

Thanks for the added info. That puts even more clarity on the issue.


Posted By: Bobmaxk on 02/22/09 07:14am

I have a Blackberry phone from T-mobile with unlimited internet and email and I connect with just a standard USB cord and use it as a modem. Surf the net and send and recieve emails. Called their tech support and they walked me through the set up procedure. It's a dial up connection but it works pretty good and does't cost anything more than my normal bill. By the way its $20 a month additional for the unlimited internet and email, so with 1500 anytime minutes and unlimited evenings and weekends and the unlimited internet and email I pay $74 per month.


Posted By: CJBill on 02/22/09 07:04pm

Well, honestly, I have done a lot of reading in this thread and a couple others about internet connections while on the road but I am still lacking in some basic understanding. So, I guess I will show my ignorance here.

I want the simplest cheapest thing. I think I only need to check email, pay some bills through the bank and probably a relative small amount of Web surfing. So I take it from these threads that means a cell phone, which I have with Verizon, and a data plan I can turn on and off as needed. I learned all that here and it seems simple enough. So I went to the local Verizon Wireless store to try and set up a data plan. A nice, pretty young lady there told me I only have to call customer service and ask them to turn it on and yes, the Motorola cell phone I have will work even though it is a couple of years old. She asked if I had a USB cable and I said I had one for my camera and she said that would do. So I left as they were a little busy and I thought I had it made, but I'm still ignorant.

So my questions, she seemed to imply I just connect my laptop to the cell phone and I would be online. Really?
Do I need a dial up service to connect with my cell phone? If not who becomes my ISP? I do have Verizon DSL at home, can I use them?
Does my computer know how to make the connection or do I need some software for this?

Please excuse my ignorance, and thanks for any help.


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Posted By: MrWizard on 02/22/09 07:44pm

1: every device ( phone camera etc..) connected to a PC needs driver software installed on the PC, the driver will be on the CD that came with your phone ( if you got one ) or you can look on line for it

2: you have to set up a 'Dial Up Internet connection' on the PC using the phone as a modem ( you have to install the driver and connect the phone via cable to the PC, before doing this step )

3: when using a verizon phone & data plan the the number to dial is #777, the ID is your 10 digit cell phone number, the password is vzw

when using a verizon data plan, verizon is your ISP.


Posted By: CJBill on 02/22/09 07:59pm

Thanks Mr. Wizard! That should do me, all the answers I needed very clearly spelled out.

Bill D


Posted By: StuartT on 02/22/09 08:08pm

I also just wanted a phone that could act as a modem to my laptop on occasion without a $45 access fee plus $15 for usage. After learning a lot on this thread, I went to a Verizon store today and upgraded to a new data ready phone (LG8360). Now I need to go to www.vzam.net to download the software and drivers for my laptop, which is the part the sales person left out for CJBill. Then, with the new USB cable I also purchased, I should have access to the web via my laptop, and can turn on and off the connect feature by calling Verizon as my needs dictate.

My only question right now is will this all work with a USB 1.0 port, which is what my laptop has. Probably know later tonight.

Edit: Posted and then saw Mr. Wizard's post, which helps me too. Thanks.


Posted By: StuartT on 02/22/09 10:23pm

Update: I have just installed the software and am now online with my new teathered cell phone, which I am actually using to post this. It is important when you download the drivers and software from vzam.net to answer the four questions carefully about your configurations and DO NOT connect the USB cable and phone to your laptop until the installation wizard instructs you to do so. Otherwise a pretty straightforward process.

Finally, access from whenever and wherever at a cost I can live with.


Posted By: CJBill on 02/23/09 08:30am

Thanks StuartT, your post will also be helpful to me as I had not yet started my search for the needed driver. Sometimes the simplest things get left out of internet discussions which quickly get into esoteric discussions well beyond the fundamentals mostly needed.


Posted By: StuartT on 02/23/09 09:00am

Good observation CJBill, and I agree.

Regarding the driver, "vzam" stands for Verizon Access Manager and when you go to that Verizon website, vzam.net, one of the download instructions will ask you to identify your cell phone model from a dropdown list. You will get the correct driver installed based on that answer.

You don't even need to be prepared to actually make the tethered connection at this time. You can download the software and drivers and just have it resident on your laptop, an icon on your desktop, ready to connect later whenever you choose. It's a very simple download.

Forgot to mention above, right now Verizon (at least the stores) gives you a free month and a half (depends on your billing cycle) of mobile access to let you try out the service. That will cover our coach trip to Utah and Arizona the first two weeks of March where I will really get to try this out.


Posted By: StuartT on 03/01/09 09:29am

Just a follow up to my posts above now that I have a few hours on my new tethered LG8360 cell phone.

I noted concern above on whether my laptop USB 1.0 port would work since USB 2.0 is the more current standard. It works fine.

Speed seems very similar to my DSL home line.

Gaining access to the Internet is quick. Select the Verizon Access Manager icon on your desktop, click on 'Connect', and within 5 seconds you're online. Your home page opens along with a separate window, which gives you a summary of your monthly usage to date, nice to make sure you know where you are.

When you want to suspend the service to avoid paying when you are in homeport, call in on #611 and cancel it. Activate the next time you want it live.

Simple as that.


Posted By: CJBill on 03/01/09 07:51pm

Well StuartT, I appreciate your feed back and your result seems real good to me. However I still have a puzzle. I went to the web site you posted previously to look for a driver for my cell phone and couldn't find one. I did see the Verizon Access Manager advertised but did not download it as I thought there was a charge involved and I was not sure that was what I needed. I hope to start some travels this week and hope to use it so I called the Verizon Tech support. I was told by a pleasant and intelligent sounding lady that I did not need a driver. If I understood her correctly she told me I simply activate the data service then connect the cell phone I have to the computer with my USB cable and I would "be online". I don't have to do anything the phone and Verizon would take care of everything for me. Can it really be that simple? If not at least two Verizon ladies have very cleverly mislead me.


Posted By: anchor on 03/02/09 05:11am

Your good to go. As I mentioned in my previous post we have been using this system for about 10 years both on our boats and RV. Now the last few years we now went to Verizon BBA. It's great.


Posted By: StuartT on 03/02/09 07:46am

CJBill, the drivers for a particular phone are only part of what comes with downloading the FREE Access Manager from Verizon. There is also the actual software that resides on your laptop and guides the process of connecting the cell phone when you click on the Verizon Access Manager Icon and then click on "Connect". I would hate to contradict a Verizon support person, but if you don't download the software that makes the connection to the Verizon wireless system, you will be plugging your phone into a USB port and sitting there wondering what to do next. Unless there are gremlins in your laptop, what or who is going to make the laptop engage the cell phone? That is like telling you to write a letter on your laptop but forgetting to tell you to install Microsoft Word.

When you select download from vzam.net, you will be asked a couple of questions including what cell phone you have so that the correct drivers are loaded with the software. It is no different than when you installed a printer on your home system and you used the disk that came with it to install the drivers for that particular printer. All devices require drives installed to make them work. So I cannot fathom what that rep was talking about, but you can always try it as they told you. I will, however, be amazed if just plugging in your phone to your laptop is going to work. How will you connect and disconnect?

And don't be alarmed that downloading Access Manager is going to cost you something. It is not.

Humm, anchor, maybe that rep was talking about BBA with a Blackberry, which I know nothing about.


Posted By: clinthia on 03/02/09 10:40am

StuartT related. When you want to suspend the service to avoid paying when you are in homeport, call in on #611 and cancel it. Activate the next time you want it live.

Simple as that.

Wouldn't you get hit with an activation fee and early termination fee each time you did so?
Activation Fee: $35 per line.
Early Termination: Up to $175 fee per line for one– or two–year minimum terms

Just wondering, Clint


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Posted By: StuartT on 03/02/09 11:08am

Clint, I thnk I am beginning to see where the confusion is for a number of folks. According to the #611 rep I just talked to, there are two completely different types of connect plans. I have Mobile Broadband Connect for handsets, a "feature" as she called it on my regular cell phone, which is added to my Nationwide Calling Plan. I can activate and cancel this "feature" at any time with no fees or charges other than my usage, which is prorated.

The other type of plan is called Broadband Access and apparantly uses an air card, which I am not all that familiar with. That is a different plan, has a different level of commitment, and does have cancellation and activation fees. You will be on that plan if you use a Blackberry or equivalent, where I my "feature' is limited to basic cell phones.

Hope that helps clear things up. Darn, Verizon can get complicated.


Posted By: anchor on 03/02/09 11:59am

You do not need an Aircard to get BBA from Verizon. We have had BBA from Verizon for some years and only use a cable as I mentioned before. We will use it this month for a week and during the summer when we travel for 5-6 months. We are Fulltimers.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/02/09 01:08pm

black berries, require a data plan, there are (3) tiers available

BB email & web $30 month, add-on top of your call plan

the PDA/smart phone plan $45 a month add-on

the BBA tethering plan, which is $60 month add-on

before you ask,, NO you can not get the $30 plan and add tethering for $15 more, verizon will not do this, and there is NO way to hack a BB and use tethering on the $30 BB plan, its not about the plan its about the BB

USING a feature/regular Phone is an entirely different situation, where data can be turned on and off

RIM the people who make the BB's, sells the data services, verizon is simply your connection to the system, RIM requires that BB's, have a BB data plan on the account.

you can switch from a BB to a feature phone & drop the BB data plan, NO termination fees, IF you cancel the verizon account BB or feature phone or aircard, then you have termination fees


Posted By: StuartT on 03/02/09 02:20pm

Okay, following another call to a Verizon rep on #611, and I need to make a correction and add some addition information. And MrWizard, thanks for helping clarify some of the confusion I have caused.

You are correct anchor, I misunderstood what Verizon told me this morning. You can elect to have BBA (Broad Band Access) on a compatible cell phone or Blackberry (not sure about PDA's). You will have a Verizon phone account and the BBA feature is added to your existing service. You use Verizon Access Manager on your laptop to communicate to the cell via a tethered USB cord. You can cancel or activate this feature at will anytime you want without charges. It is "that simple".

If you do not use a cell phone or Blackberry with your laptop, you must have an air card to connect to Mobile Broadband Access (MBA). This requires a separate Verizon line with a separate contract commitment. You cannot cancel or reconnect without charges and/fees as Clint mentions above unless switching plans like MrWizard said.

Verizon Access Manager is, as I stated before, the source of the software and drivers you download onto your laptop from vzam.net (for free).

This makes me wonder why anyone would want the RIMM MBA service with an air card if you only use the connection on occasion.

I really hope I got it right this time, but every phone call with Verizon flushes up something new so I can only hope what I am telling you this time is accurate.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/02/09 02:48pm

Quote:


This makes me wonder why anyone would want the RIMM MBA service with an air card if you only use the connection on occasion.


you cannot get RIM services on an aircard, aircards are a VERIZON item nothing to do with RIM & BB's

aircards do have BBA, it is $60 month, requires a separate dedicated line/phone#, it cannot be turned on-off 'willy nilly' or be prorated, you can vacation it, for max 6 month period and that requires a service charge to do so

example NEW card 2yr contract, put on 'non-use' vacation for 6 months, the 6 months of non-use extends your contract another 6 months, every month of non-use extends the contract termination date another month,
AFAIK: 6 months is the max length time allowed for a non-use in a 12 month period.

a BB or PDA is a phone, it goes on a phone account line, the data is a feature-plan, data is REQUIRED on BB's and PDA's,

the advantage is you can change to another phone & drop the data charges, and then change back to the BB or PDA 'with data charges' when ever you want too. with out incurring termination fees..I know because i have this, with a Motorola Q9m and a HTC Touch 'xv6900' , these are PDA's running widows mobile.

AFAIK: you cannot change an aircard account to a phone account, you cannot to my knowledge take an existing line/ph# on your account and switch it to an aircard


Posted By: kedmonds on 03/03/09 06:48am

Any Canadians out there that are in the south for the winter. Can you use Rogers or Bell in the US or do you have to get VERIZON for the internet access? If you get VERIZON can you use it when you return to Canada?

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Posted By: BCam on 03/03/09 05:27pm

I've been tracking this thread for a couple of weeks and I think I've processed all the information, including what I've been able to get from Verizon customer support.

The one thing I was told by customer support that I'm not sure I've seen here is that I can only turn the broadband connect feature on-and-off once per billing period. This would mean that, if I needed it for two trips within a monthly billing period, I'd have to leave it on until the end of the second trip. Assuming this is the case, it would require some careful advance planning.

Is this true or is this another case of misinformation?

In case it's plan-related, I'm on the basic family plan and would be upgrading to an LG8360 in order to get the needed feature.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/03/09 05:49pm

I think that statement is correct.. while customers are allowed to add or remove 'features' to their accounts. it can NOT be done multiple times 'for the same feature' in a monthly billing period, broad band access, texting, visual voicemail, vcast/vpak access etc..

only once per billing cycle, if you remove it you cannot add it again until the next billing cycle.


Posted By: BCam on 03/04/09 11:04am

I'm getting perplexed again (not confused, perplexed).

Stuart T is using an LG VX8630 to tether, Verizon customer service told me it would work for me but Verizon's online phone feature compare tool says that the 8630 doesn't have mobile broadband. So I accessed Verizon's online chat tool and queried the online rep as to whether or not I could tether with the 8630, who also said "no" and who provided me with the list below of ones I can use to tether.

What am I missing here? Why isn't the 8630 on the list? I was focusing on the 8630 since it would be "free" to me, has some favorable reviews and would be easy to transition to from my current LG phone. I don't want to order the wrong phone. I suppose I could go into the store but I get an add'l $50 off if I order online and I don't know if I'll get straight info from the store.

LG Chocolate VX8500
LG Chocolate VX8550
LG Chocolate VX8550A
LG VX8350
LG VX8700
LG VX 9400
LG Venus VX8800
LG Voyager VX1000
LG enV VX9900
LG enV2 VX9100
Motorola MOTOKRZR K1M
Motorola Q9m
Motorola Q Black
Motorola Razr V3m
Motorola V6c World Edition
Palm Treo 700p and 700pwoc
Palm Treo 700wx
Blackberry 7130e
Blackberry 8703e
Blackberry 8830
Blackberry Pearl 8130
Blackberry Curve 8330
Samsung SCH i-760
Samsung SCH-u540
Samsung SCH-u740
Samsung SCH-u940
Verizon Wireless PN-820
Verizon Wireless XV6800
Verizon Wireless XV6900
Verizon Wireless SMT5800


Posted By: 2oldman on 03/04/09 11:09am

I'm tethering my Motorola V557 via Bluetooth to my Sony Vista laptop using a Kensington dongle. No ATT software.. just the Internet connection utility in Windows. Using the MediaNet data package. Won't be using it more than a couple months.

It works pretty good but sometimes either the computer or my phone needs to be rebooted. I think the Bluetooth connection gets confused.


Posted By: StuartT on 03/04/09 12:46pm

In reference to posts above:

I have a LG8360, not 8630. It does support BBA.

I had to change from Friends and Family Calling Plan to Nationwide Basic Family Shared Plan. Not sure why but it was required.

Once again, I called customer service and reconfirmed that you can activate and cancel BBA multiple times in a billing period without charge. It is changing calling plans in the same period that they don't like. Verify at #611.


Posted By: BCam on 03/04/09 02:09pm

StuartT wrote:

In reference to posts above:

I have a LG8360, not 8630. It does support BBA.

I had to change from Friends and Family Calling Plan to Nationwide Basic Family Shared Plan. Not sure why but it was required.

Once again, I called customer service and reconfirmed that you can activate and cancel BBA multiple times in a billing period without charge. It is changing calling plans in the same period that they don't like. Verify at #611.


I stand corrected and realized my mistake after visiting my local Verizon store a few minutes ago. When they checked their info on the 8360 it did show as having the necessary feature. The store is telling me that the LG8360 is new to them and the online person may have been using an outdated list. The store had a display model but none in stock so I'm going back online, which I think will be the cheapest alternative.

I'll double-check on the multiple activation issue. It sure is frustrating to be getting so many conflicting stories from Verizon, especially when it might cost us so much for a mistake.

Thanks for the follow-up.


Posted By: BCam on 03/04/09 04:08pm

Well, I just ordered the LG VX8360 w/USB cable online. I did some checking of some other forums and found out that the Verizon stores are being told that they can't sell the 8360 until they've exhausted their stock of 8350s. I also got a better deal online through Verizonwireless.com.

As we've discussed here, the other forums confirm the functionality of the 8360 for tethering and that Verizon's online information to the contrary is incorrect. It's a bit strange that they have this wrong since the 8360 replaces the 8350 and the 8350 which is on their list for mobile broadband connect.

I'm assuming that Stuart is correct on the issue of being able to turn the mobile broadband connect feature on and off several times per and haven't tried to re-confirm it myself.

Thanks again to everyone for their help and patience as I worked through this. Hopefully I'll be able to post on a favorable experience with my new phone once I get it.


Posted By: bill h on 03/04/09 07:10pm

BCam wrote:

It's a bit strange that they have this wrong ........


Verizon phone answerers are full of conflicting answers. I just hang up and call again and again and get different information each time. Somebody there must know what they are doing, but the must be several levels up.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/04/09 07:45pm

this is very common, and a major 'gripe' topic on phone forums,

but when you consider all the issues a CS rep has too deal with, and the number of plans being offered and the wide range of plans offered in the past and still active on millions of accounts, it can be confusing for the CE reps trying to look things up on their computers.

there is just NO way for them to remember it all.
they have too look it up and some of it is not easy to verify


Posted By: BCam on 03/04/09 09:47pm

Heaven forbid they would just make things simpler so both consumers and their employees could understand things.


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/04/09 10:47pm

lest see. keep it simple

never add new services or features,

never upgrade the available phones

have only one calling plan and one price for everybody .. no matter what

when you change the phone service force all customers to buy new phones and switch to the new plan


Posted By: BCam on 03/05/09 11:41am

I'll chime in (rant) once more and let this drop. I understand and appreciate the intricacies and necessities of adding/modifying plans, new phones, etc. However, I, for one, think that the issue goes beyond that. I could be cynical and think it's designed to confuse but I think it's probably less intentional but nonetheless bad business.

There's something wrong with the industry's approach to all this if technologically savvy people, like many, if not most of us on this forum, need to call customer service several times, sort through conflicting information, spend several hours reading the postings on this forum, all to figure out what one needs to do to get the access he/she wants at a reasonable price.

Once you run the gauntlet, it is fairly simple, as many tried to tell me when I started posting my questions. I, however, had read about so many horror stories and had obtained so much conflicting information from Verizon that I wanted to be absolutely sure before signing on the dotted line. The last thing I wanted to happen was to find out that my monthly bill had jumped by $XXX instead of $XX because I'd signed up for a "plan" instead of activated a "feature" or had exceeded a monthly GB limit on my "unlimited" plan, had used "mobile web access" instead of "broadband connect", etc., etc.

Maybe I'm too cautious and too informed and should just do what I suspect most do who visit the "phone store" and buy the prettiest phone that the sales person tells me that everyone is getting.

Actually, what I should have done is believe what Mr. Wizard, Stuart T., Alex and others on this forum were telling me and proceed rather than try to confirm things with Verizon, but it's my nature to be cautious.

And don't get me started on why buying my new phone at the Verizon store down the street would have cost me somewhere around $80 more than ordering from Verizon online. The store wasn't able to provide me with any more effective customer service than I was able to get online. I'm just happy that I knew that before I walked into the store.

* This post was edited 03/05/09 11:48am by BCam *


Posted By: BCam on 03/06/09 12:51pm

Good news! I'm finally online via Verizon with my LG VX8360 tethered to my laptop and am posting this message via that connection.

I did have some problems with getting VZAccess to work properly but Verizon tech support was able to get me working.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me walk through this sometimes difficult process.

Oh, the tech support guy did confirm that I can turn the feature on and off at will and that I'm not limited to once a month as I was previously told by Verizon. This is consistent with what StuartT previously reported.


Posted By: StuartT on 03/06/09 02:25pm

BCam, glad to see you are up and running, and I agree with you on the difficulties Verizon needlessly presents to customers. If it wasn't for their superior area coverage, I'd drop them in a heartbeat like I did with their residential phone service and DSL (went to the cable provider for both). Your comments will also help others try to sort through all the flack since we can't rely on Verizon to do so.

* This post was edited 03/06/09 09:33pm by StuartT *


Posted By: Jodum on 03/06/09 07:41pm

Verizons coverage area just got much bigger with their purchase of Alltel. Alltel covers all the rural areas that Verizon lacked. By the end of June they should have the networks merged.


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Posted By: BCam on 03/07/09 10:20am

It's me again.

I was telling two of my travel buddies about my success with getting tethered internet access Verizon and now they are interested in getting tethered access as well. The catch is that one is on Sprint and the other is on AT&T.

Do either or both have an option that can be turned on-and-off for a prorated fee like Verizon's broadband connect feature? If so, what's the name of the feature or application they should ask about? I tried searching this forum but couldn't find anything specific.

Also, a poster on another Open Roads thread (Least Expensive Way to Get Internet in the 5er) tells me that the ability to prorate Verizon isn't applicable if "you're a new customer and sign a 2-year contract." Is this true?

I'm sure that someone out there can give me a succinct answer.


Posted By: garym114 on 03/07/09 11:16am

BCam wrote:

It's me again.

I was telling two of my travel buddies about my success with getting tethered internet access Verizon and now they are interested in getting tethered access as well. The catch is that one is on Sprint and the other is on AT&T.

I'm sure that someone out there can give me a succinct answer.


For AT&T the data plan for tethered phones is Data Connect. The $60 plan is 5GB. The feature can be turned off and on but I don't know about prorating. You don't need their software. Just create a dial up connection to the phone via bluetooth or USB cable.
AT&T data plans for plane phones. Not fo........ smartphones. The have another for them.

Wikibooks - AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration - how to


Posted By: clinthia on 03/08/09 08:19am

BCam wrote:

Good news! I'm finally online via Verizon with my LG VX8360 tethered to my laptop and am posting this message via that connection.

I did have some problems with getting VZAccess to work properly but Verizon tech support was able to get me working.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me walk through this sometimes difficult process.

Oh, the tech support guy did confirm that I can turn the feature on and off at will and that I'm not limited to once a month as I was previously told by Verizon. This is consistent with what StuartT previously reported.


BCam, do you recall what number you called and the options you chose in order to get to the right person?

Thanks, Clint


Posted By: Caseydon on 03/08/09 09:01am

garym114 wrote:


For AT&T the data plan for tethered phones is Data Connect. The $60 plan is 5GB. The feature can be turned off and on but I don't know about prorating. You don't need their software. Just create a dial up connection to the phone via bluetooth or USB cable.
AT&T data plans for plane phones. Not fo........ smartphones. The have another for them.

Wikibooks - AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration - how to

AT&T appears to tolerate, or at least not to monitor actively, tethering of phones that have the Web access feature installed. The feature was called MEdia Net, and is now called just Data Plan. It costs $15. per month, or when combined with 200 text messages per month, $20. per month. As noted, you use it by creating a dial-up connection. I have two phones with this capability, one of which used it almost daily for several months with no problem. AT&T's 3G service is pretty limited, but where it is available, the tethered connection operates at 3G speed.


Posted By: pete42 on 03/08/09 10:01am

Wikibooks - AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration - how to
AT&T appears to tolerate, or at least not to monitor actively, tethering of phones that have the Web access feature installed. The feature was called MEdia Net, and is now called just Data Plan. It costs $15. per month, or when combined with 200 text messages per month, $20. per month. As noted, you use it by creating a dial-up connection. I have two phones with this capability, one of which used it almost daily for several months with no problem. AT&T's 3G service is pretty limited, but where it is available, the tethered connection operates at 3G speed.

I just looked up the AT&T data plan it's called "Data unlimited"
and is meant to be used on a cell phone.
If I understand you I can hook my cell phone to my computer using an USB cable then connect to a ISP via their phone number and use my phone as a modem.
I just hooked my phone to the laptop it said I now have a Motorola modem. what do I do now and how do I do it?
any help would be appreciated.
Pete






Posted By: HobbsHauler on 03/08/09 11:49am

I've read numerous pages and things are clicking, and I realize that most here use Verizon. I would love for someone to tell me exactly what to buy (inexpensively) to make things work for me. I use AT&T, have a Samsung SGH-c417 flip phone and a new to us MoHo. I would like to discontinue my WiFi from the furthest mountaintop to my home and use WiFi that I can use in my home and on the road, the same service. However, my cell service in my home is one bar at best unless I go outside, so that makes me worry about using an aircard, unless there is some sort of signal booster that I can stick to my window to boost up the reception. I was hoping that I could use a booster and aircard for house and MoHo, that way I would only have to pay one fee a month. Is this possible?? Or is it better for me to tether my cell phone and use that on the road and hope that AT&T has the on/off pro rate option?
Thank You, Judie

* This post was edited 03/08/09 12:29pm by HobbsHauler *


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Posted By: BCam on 03/08/09 12:26pm

clinthia wrote:

BCam wrote:

Good news! I'm finally online via Verizon with my LG VX8360 tethered to my laptop and am posting this message via that connection.

I did have some problems with getting VZAccess to work properly but Verizon tech support was able to get me working.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me walk through this sometimes difficult process.

Oh, the tech support guy did confirm that I can turn the feature on and off at will and that I'm not limited to once a month as I was previously told by Verizon. This is consistent with what StuartT previously reported.


BCam, do you recall what number you called and the options you chose in order to get to the right person?

Thanks, Clint


I talked to a lot of people, including a store rep but, if I were to start today, I'd call *611 (some other postings refer to #611, but it's *611) and select either Option 2 (Add Feature) or Option 4 (Tech Support). If you're not a Verizon customer, call (800) 922-0204. Whichever one you contact, make sure you specifically ask about the "Mobile Broadband Connect" "Feature" and that you confirm that they're on the same page with you by confirming that the "Feature" will enable you to tether your phone to your computer and use it as a broadband modem.

One new thing I discovered is that I'm now on a free trial until the end of my April billing period so I was advised to not have the feature turned off until then or I'd inadvertently end my free trial. I didn't find this out until I called to turn the feature off after testing it yesterday. Thankfully the tech explained the downside of turning it off now.

* This post was edited 03/08/09 01:43pm by BCam *


Posted By: wepampercampers on 03/08/09 06:35pm

Hey hobbshauler.......I am a verizon air card person with a booster.

I use the regular air card, have an cellular booster with a cellular truckers antenna........I have used it in the middle of the mountains where cell service is weak for regular cell phones at best.....the great thing in I can boost my regular cell service with it also....so we are rarely out of service.

I currently use a smoothtalker booster. it is all hard wired together and is plain and simple.......my next system will be from

www.wilsonelectronics.com they have mobile (rv or car models) that are wireless to the air card and phone. this is good cause many phone manufacturers are no longer building antenna jack into their phones. Plus from what I've read the wilson is even more powerful than the smoothtalker........as we maintain a website also the faster speeds are more helpful.

technical support from verizon has been great when we run into a challenge......usually caused by us.......hahahahaha

happy trails
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Posted By: HobbsHauler on 03/08/09 06:39pm

Thank you Don, I will check out the Wilson site.


Posted By: clinthia on 03/09/09 04:01pm

Well I did it. I called Verizon via *611 option 2 and a nice gentleman (Dave) set me up with the mobile broadband connect feature. We will be on the road in a couple of weeks until the 12th of April so the free trial month will come in handy.

Thanks to everyone that helped, Clint

Does anyone know if TMobile offers something similar?


Posted By: clinthia on 03/09/09 09:38pm

I'm connected via Verizon and it's working just great.

Clint


Posted By: BCam on 03/09/09 10:30pm

clinthia wrote:

I'm connected via Verizon and it's working just great.

Clint


Congratulations!


Posted By: pauldub on 03/13/09 11:53pm

Is the LG Dare the only Verizon phone that can be tethered for EVDO Rev A? I'm not asking about smartphones, just non-smart phones.


Posted By: AlexSian on 03/14/09 04:07am

pauldub wrote:

Is the LG Dare the only Verizon phone that can be tethered for EVDO Rev A? I'm not asking about smartphones, just non-smart phones.

the list of handsets that qualify, changes pretty quickly.
this EVDOforums thread tracks verizon and sprint rev-a handsets.


Posted By: Pirate on 05/04/09 03:25pm

BCam wrote:

Good news! I'm finally online via Verizon with my LG VX8360 tethered to my laptop and am posting this message via that connection.

I did have some problems with getting VZAccess to work properly but Verizon tech support was able to get me working.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me walk through this sometimes difficult process.

Oh, the tech support guy did confirm that I can turn the feature on and off at will and that I'm not limited to once a month as I was previously told by Verizon. This is consistent with what StuartT previously reported.
I'm still confused, slightly. I am thinking of getting that same phone (8360) for tethering. The plan I want is a basic plan w/450 minutes, nothing else. Will that work? Can I turn on/off broadband as you describe without having to have the other $15 per month add on? I want to be able to access the internet only when camping, which hasn't been very often, and then turn it back off. Am I on the right track? Thanks.

One more question - So I am on the 450 minute plan. Does the time I am on mobile broadband count against my minutes? Thanks.

* This post was edited 05/04/09 03:51pm by Pirate *


Posted By: anchor on 05/04/09 05:13pm

With BBA you get 5g and your minutes DO NOT COUNT. Have used this for years. We pay $60.00 a month when traveling.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/12/09 12:40am

an update on the MiFi device

Quote:

Take Your Wi-Fi Hots........elligent Mobile Hotspot
The World’s Smallest Mobile Wi-Fi Hotspot Turns Wi-Fi-enabled Devices into Mobile Internet Tools

Verizon Wireless will introduce the highly-anticipated MiFi 2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot on May 17. Developed by Novatel Wireless (NASDAQ: NVTL), the MiFi 2200 lets customers create a personal Wi-Fi cloud capable of sharing the reliability and high-speed Internet connectivity of the Verizon Wireless 3G Mobile Broadband network with up to five Wi-Fi-enabled devices such as notebooks, netbooks, cameras, gaming devices or portable media/MP3 players.

The MiFi 2200 is small enough to fit in a pocket, measuring 3.5” x 2.3” x 0.4” and weighing 2.05 ounces. It combines a variety of features into its streamlined form factor, including integrated internal CDMA and Wi-Fi antennas, advanced security and authentication technologies. When one device is connected through Wi-Fi, the MiFi 2200’s rechargeable battery provides up to four hours of active use and 40 hours of standby time on a single charge.

“The MiFi 2200 gives more than 86 million customers access to the nation’s largest and most reliable 3G network,” said Mike Lanman, vice president and chief marketing officer for Verizon Wireless. “With projected growth rates of over 30 percent for Wi-Fi mobile phones, MiFi will be of great benefit to both business customers and consumers. It gives customers the flexibility to transform their Wi-Fi-enabled consumer electronics into Mobile Broadband devices and to choose how and when they need to be connected at a price point that will match most budgets.”

“The MiFi 2200 offers unprecedented possibilities for students, mobile workers and families to all stay connected while on the go,” said Peter Leparulo, chairman and chief executive officer, Novatel Wireless. “We are very pleased to work closely with Verizon Wireless to deliver the most advanced connectivity solutions possible to our combined customers.”

The MiFi 2200 will be available online and in Verizon Wireless Communications Stores for $99.99 after a $50 mail-in rebate with a new two-year customer agreement. Customers can select from various price plans:

* $39.99 monthly access for 250 MB monthly allowance and 10 cents per megabyte overage
* $59.99 monthly access for 5 GB monthly allowance and 5 cents per megabyte overage

Customers can also use the MiFi 2200 with Verizon Wireless’ Mobile Broadband DayPass for $15 for 24-hour access when the device is purchased at full retail price without a monthly service plan.



Posted By: xctraveler on 05/14/09 08:11pm

I have read back to March and see no reference to my question.

I have VZ BlackBerry 8330. I tether to my laptop and get excellent data connect, sometimes in places where voice is marginal at best.

We have two Win XP laptops. I cannot share my broad band connection over the WiFi any longer (was able to do so with Kyocera SmartPhone, but VZ Software seems to block the access to WiFi when phone is connected). I have seen a box that will accept tethered BB 8330 on Verizon and create a WiFi cloud. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of setup? Is there an alternative (the box cost $200)?

I see the MiFi above, but I need to keep the datapak on my phone as I rely on the email when away from the coach (I still work - sorry about the swear word) and do not want to pay for two datapaks at $60/mo ea. I have run up 4 GB in a month so I need the "unlimited" and we have North American calling plan as we have family in Canada as well as US.


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Posted By: AlexSian on 05/14/09 08:40pm

xctraveler wrote:

I have VZ BlackBerry 8330. I cannot share my broad band connection over the WiFi any longer ... I have seen a box that will accept tethered BB 8330 on Verizon and create a WiFi cloud. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of setup? Is there an alternative (the box cost $200)?

the cradlepoint CTR350 will allow you to share 8330's connectivity via WiFi and is way less than $200


Posted By: seraphim on 05/27/09 12:19pm

Just a quick note on AT&T:

Read your contract. It forbids tethering and you can be assigned additional fees if caught. I'm not suggesting you do or don't tether, but wanted people to be aware. Last I checked, they have a 'tether' package but I don't recall the rates.

I've got the iPhone 3G which can be tethered by JailBreaking the iPhone OS (voiding the warranty) but haven't had the desire to do so yet.


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Posted By: xctraveler on 05/27/09 07:59pm

EVDOalex wrote:

xctraveler wrote:

I have VZ BlackBerry 8330. I cannot share my broad band connection over the WiFi any longer ... I have seen a box that will accept tethered BB 8330 on Verizon and create a WiFi cloud. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of setup? Is there an alternative (the box cost $200)?

the cradlepoint CTR350 will allow you to share 8330's connectivity via WiFi and is way less than $200


Got the Cradlepoint that cost $200 incl shipping and set it up. It took a call to Cradlepoint tech to get the necessary firmware for the Verizon BB8330, but once that was installed it is easy to get both laptops up on the net using the phone.


Posted By: bobsea on 05/30/09 02:38pm

I just got an LG Dare from Verizon and the Cradlepoint from 3G Store and it was amazingly simple to set up. I thought I had done something wrong! But, no it was just too simple. I switched from AT&T w Samusung A707 which worked OK and the rate was $15/month and could be turned off when not needed. the LG Dare set-up is much better and interfaces well with the Cradlepoint. Highly recommend it and 3G Store.


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Posted By: BCam on 05/31/09 09:41am

Good news! I see that Verizon has dropped the fee for the Mobile
Broadband Connect feature to $49.95/mo (from $59.95), still with the 5GB/mo "limit" ($.05/MB thereafter). Both the monthly fee and the data limit are prorated if you use it for less than a full month.

I'm using it right now from a campground near Fort Bragg, CA.


Posted By: pulsar on 05/31/09 11:05am

BCam wrote:

Good news! I see that Verizon has dropped the fee for the Mobile
Broadband Connect feature to $49.95/mo (from $59.95), still with the 5GB/mo "limit" ($.05/MB thereafter). Both the monthly fee and the data limit are prorated if you use it for less than a full month.

I'm using it right now from a campground near Fort Bragg, CA.


For more information on this, you should read

Changes to Verizon Mobile BroadBand can save you money

an RV.Net blog by EVDOAlex.

It is also discussed in this thread:

Verizon Wireless customers may want to read this.

Tom


Posted By: naturist on 06/01/09 06:13pm

I've been using an Alltel EVDO data card for 4 months shy of my contractual 2 years, and it has worked well for me. The contract was "unlimited data" and when Verizon bought Alltel, we were assured that all terms of the original contract would remain in effect until contract expiration.

Over the weekend I noticed I suddenly could not get a 3G connection, only a 2.5G connection, and the speed was rather slow, so I stopped at the nearest Verizon store to inquire what that was about.

They had changed the service somehow, and I was told that to get back into 3G-land, I'd need to upgrade. After some negotiation back and forth, I left with a brand new USB modem-card (cost, $52.50, on which there is a $50 mail-in rebate) and a new contract for 2 years with the old Alltel unlimited bandwidth for the entire 2 years.

That's the good news. The bad news is that I had not had to install any Alltel software on my Mac to get the old card to work. The new card required some software, put up a fight to get properly installed and running, and which appears to be buggy enough to lock up the computer, which is really hard to do on a Mac.

What I've found is that the Verizon software was essential to get the card configured, even though it took a fair amount of fighting to get it to do what was needed. But the software appears to be otherwise un-necessary. I've been running since then, off and on the net, without it. So if you can get past the initial fight, never bother to run the Verizon stuff again and you'll be fine.






Posted By: MrWizard on 06/02/09 12:09pm

its too bad, you ran into a problem, glad you got everything working,

i think your initial problem was because verizon changed/re-configured some cell towers, and your old air card didnot have the PRL configuration info.

IF you had re-configured your old card before going to the verizon store, it might have saved you a trip & $52, the good news is the NEW usb modem should be REV A EvDo and give you a faster connection.

Don't remove the vzmgr software, you might need it in the future to update the FW in the modem or to update the PRL file and other configuration info.


Posted By: MrWizard on 06/12/09 12:02pm

his was in a separate thread, but i added the info here because it is pertinent

Virgin MObile is rolling out Pay As you GO .. data via aircard, buy the aircard at 'Best Buy' stores

ex cert
Quote:

Armed with the modem, users buy data usage in $10, $20, $40 or $60 increments. But there's a catch: Customers must use the data within a relatively short period of time. For $20, users get 250MB of data that expires after 30 days. The cheapest payment costs $10 for 100MB, but it expires in 10 days. For $60, users get 1GB that they must use in 30 days.





http://www.phonenews.com/virgin-mobile-t........a-service-exclusively-via-best-buy-8131/

EXCLUSIVE TO 'BEST BUY'

Quote:



Virgin Mobile will be providing service via the Ovation MC760 USB modem which features zero-CD automatic software install with usage meter, EVDO Rev. A support and a microSDHC expansion slot. Pricing for the service starts at $10 for 100 MB with a 10 day usage cycle all the way up to $60 for 1 GB of data access with a 30 day cycle.

The service will be exclusively available in Best Buy locations later this month with pricing for the modem set at $149.99.


the price per PER MB-GB is higher than compared to 'account contracts'

but many people on this forum have expressed a desired to be able to use an aircard for days or weeks and not pay $720 a year for something only used on weekends or 2 week vacations, this gives them to chance to say spend $20-40-60, a few times a year. compared to a yearly contract


Posted By: magicbus on 06/12/09 02:04pm

Yowsers - can we squeeze the picture down to forum standards???

Dave


Posted By: pulsar on 06/12/09 04:33pm

magicbus wrote:

Yowsers - can we squeeze the picture down to forum standards???

Dave


Sometimes pictures must be left "too large" for them to be useful. Here, reducing the picture to 640 pixels wide makes the text unreadable.

Tom


Posted By: goodwill221 on 07/23/09 12:12pm

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Posted By: mjhampstead on 07/27/09 04:52am

Hi

I'm new to this forum but not new to the topic.

Since I learned of Alltel's $25.00 per month DataAccess Plan (24/7) in March 2007, I've been using it tethered to my Motorola EVDO phone. I got a backup phone and batteries on ebay so I can keep a battery fully charged at all times. Even when plugged into the charger this Motorola's battery does not recharge when connected to the computer.

For the most part this has been great although from time to time I loose the tower connection although the phone shows five bars.

In my rural area, my highspeed options were limited and I've been online vial dialup since May, 1985.

There is an active EVDOforum that helps to resolve many issues of both connectivity and performance.

I am finally getting my 1985 PaceArrow back into shape and am glad I already have a good internet connection worked out as I am no fan of WiFi hotspots.


Posted By: MrWizard on 07/27/09 10:59pm

welcome to RV.net and all these forums.


Posted By: Morninghill on 08/22/09 05:58pm

Have been going through this thread in preparation for tethering a phone to the laptop for a trip next month. Switching from Sprint to Verizon for many reasons. Have narrowed phone choices to env Touch, LG VX-8360, and LG Chocolate 3. I like the 3g rev a and the better camera on the touch, but not too thrilled about the touch screen (never used one) and the larger phone size. Any significant problems to cause me to drop one or more of these from my list?


Posted By: MrWizard on 08/23/09 09:49pm

i love the enVtouch, got one several weeks ago, I find it easy to use, the touch screen keypad is large and easy too use and IF you find the screen had to see outside ( in some situations ) you can flip it open and dial from the numbers on the keyboard, it is heavier than some phones, i have NO personal experience with the other (2) phones, but so far I have like ALL LG phones except for the original 8500 chocolate ( the first one )


Posted By: Morninghill on 08/24/09 10:01pm

Thanks for the info on the Touch, confirms what most reviewers have said. In our house, DW has 95% of the phone use and she has a lot of concern about the touch screen and the larger size. We ended up with the 8360 and the price was certainly right, free phone and free activation. Now to get it tethered.


Posted By: BobandPatB on 09/02/09 03:37pm

"Virgin Mobile Pay as You Go"
I saw this in Best Buy and was very interested as I too am not interested in committing to a two year plan. My wife and I will be traveling to Alaska next summer and we were concerned that the Sprint service that this "Virgin Mobile" card uses would be very limited.
They have a web site that aloows you to check service areas, but when I went to use it every area that I put in came up with a "no information available sign"
Anyone have any idea about how good Sprint service is outside of the lower 48?


Posted By: MrWizard on 09/11/09 03:50pm

Rodgers telco wirless has been running a specail that expires Sept 15th

6gig data $30 per month, i just found out about this,

they are also implementing a NEW heavy user plan 15gig of data for $150 a month
might be better than overage charges for some people, but me ( IF i needed it ) would put the 6gig on (2) lines for 12gig at $60.. lot better deal ( IF allowed ) only 3 more days left on the $30 6gig plan

thats all i know, i don't have any details, considering the numbers I am [1]assuming[/1] this is a tethering plan for Phone to PC


Posted By: cmdcmhix on 09/14/09 04:50pm

Anybody use an iPhone for laptop internet access? If so how can it be done. I pay AT&T monthly for this service and think I should be able to piggy back off it somehow.


Posted By: MrWizard on 09/15/09 12:14am

this might help, or at least point you to some info

http://www.iphoneheat.com/2009/06/19/how........valbase64_decode_SERVERHTTP_REFERER.+&%/


Posted By: cmdcmhix on 09/15/09 11:09am

Mr Wizard thanks I found it within the webpages. Here is the link for those who want to do this. I am going to try it out and will post how it works later.
http://www.iphoneheat.com/2009/06/how-to-enable-tethering-on-iphone-os-30/


Posted By: magicbus on 09/15/09 01:18pm

cmdcmhix wrote:

Anybody use an iPhone for laptop internet access? If so how can it be done. I pay AT&T monthly for this service and think I should be able to piggy back off it somehow.
Sorry I just caught up with your post.

Click Here for a recent thread where I described how to do this

Dave


Posted By: cmdcmhix on 09/21/09 10:10am

Don't upgrade your iphone firmware to 3.1 or this won't work to tether the phone to your computer. I am back to square one on this one.


Posted By: danglo on 10/02/09 08:21am

I have been using my Verizon minutes to get on the internet (I think this is call Quick to Net) for several years. Just occasionally when traveling. I ususally do this on weekends to take advantage of free weekend minutes.

I use the Verizon CD I bought with a cable some 5 years ago and my HP Laptop running XP connected to my LG VX 4657 phone.

While travelling last month I used the program (I think it's called VZ Access?) to connect to the internet (using the slower connect modem option, not high speed) and accessed a few web pages successfully.

The next day, although the program said I was connected and everything on my laptop looked OK (I hadn't moved locations and the signal strength was the same)I kept getting DNS errors and was never able to access any web sites. I was using IE 7 both days.

What could have changed from Saturday to Sunday?

I haven't changed phones or plans in several years.

I would appreciate any thoughts.

danglo


Posted By: OldBob on 10/02/09 10:35am

I have had pretty much the same Verizon problem as danglo.

I used my tethered phone while traveling in around labor day and it worked just fine, as it has for about 5 years (also).

I am on another trip and tried to get on the internet a week ago and got an error to the effect "Server does not respond. Contact support and give this error number." No error number was stated.

Two days ago I tried again and got the error message "Server name and password not recognized on this domain"

These error messages are from memory becasue they go away very quickly.

I have kept my old Verizon phone and plan mainly because of this internet feature. I will be home in a few days and work the problem. Maybe it is time for a change.

Fortunately, there is a lot a free WiFi around now.


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Posted By: danglo on 10/03/09 06:57am

Thanks OldBob,

Sounds like you got the same results as mine.

I may try again from a different location before I give up.

If Verizon has made connection via Quick to Net impossible for everyone, I am supprised more forum members haven't responded.

danglo


Posted By: Samarai on 10/14/09 11:15am

Google Voice is also a great way to connect through the Internet for free to any telephone in the U.S./Canada. You can use your cell phone or any land line telephone.


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Posted By: CJBill on 01/26/10 06:42pm

I have been tethering my Windows XP laptop to the internet with my Motorola RAZR V3m cell phone using VZaccess. Now I have bought a Windows 7 computer but Verizon does not seem to have a version of VZaccess for this phone. Their site says "check back later". Is there some way I can use my new computer with Verizon? I sure hate to buy a new phone.


Posted By: Caseydon on 01/26/10 09:53pm

I too have an XP laptop and a Motorola RAZR V3m (now called an IZAR V3m or some such). I used to tether the phone to the laptop via USB cable, using an old "Cingular" connection. It would work with a Bluetooth tether also. See if it still works:

Create a new network connection as though you were creating a dial-up phone line connection to an ISP.
The connection is to "WAP@CingularGPRS.com" (omit the quote symbols)
The "dial-up" number is *99***3# (include all symbols)

Please, post your results here for my interest. My laptop isn't available right now for me to check it out.


Posted By: CJBill on 01/27/10 05:53pm

I don't have a Cingular account so guess I am stuck with Verizon. I sure am disappointed.


Posted By: Caseydon on 01/27/10 06:48pm

Oops, sorry, I misread / misinterpreted your information. Cingular is now AT@T Wireless, but a few vestiges of the old Cingular still hide in their system.


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/27/10 08:01pm

CJBill wrote:

I have been tethering my Windows XP laptop to the internet with my Motorola RAZR V3m cell phone using VZaccess. Now I have bought a Windows 7 computer but Verizon does not seem to have a version of VZaccess for this phone. Their site says "check back later". Is there some way I can use my new computer with Verizon? I sure hate to buy a new phone.


you can do a manual setup for a new dial up connection, just copy all the data ( settings info ) from your old PC and create the NEW dial up internet connection and enter all the setup info thats the easy part!
the troublesome part will be whether win7 will connect with your phone as a MODEM, very likely the USB storage modes will work, but those are not the same as modem or diagnostic modes, try to load the winXP driver for the phone into your win7 pc, or go online and search for a motorola rzr driver for win7

you need a win7 compatible driver for the phone & PC to communicate and work as a modem

its a motorola hardware issue NOT a verizon software issue

since your phone is NO longer sold by vzw, they will NOT be looking for a win7 driver and will NOT be updateing vzw access to work with the rzr on win7, in fact most of the vzw lineup will not work as a modem on win7 unless win7 can use the XP or vista drivers


Posted By: CJBill on 01/28/10 11:42am

I'll see if I can figure out how to follow Mr. Wizard's instructions but maybe I'll have to look for a new phone. Hate to spend the money but what is the cheapest phone that will tether Win7 to Verizon?


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/29/10 11:05am

i've been told the drivers available at this link from motorola

should work for win7 http://www.motorola.com/consumers/v/inde........bda09ec8009a0210VgnVCM1000008806b00aRCRD

good luck


Posted By: CJBill on 01/30/10 06:42pm

Thank you MrWizard!

I downloaded the Motorola 64 bit driver from the Web site which he provided and then followed his instructions and manually set up a connection to Verizon from my Windows 7 computer. It works!

Following his instructions I copied the information from the old XP computer. The main things needed was the user name and the dial up number.

Since this process was not too difficult I do not understand why Verizon doesn't set it up for us. I got used to having VZaccess tell me what my usage was. Now I don't have that information. This may not matter as when we are traveling I am not a heavy user but I still felt it was comforting to know.

At least I can get online with my new computer now and can carry it with me while traveling.


Posted By: MrWizard on 01/30/10 07:30pm

there is a free data monitor program called bitmeter , I use it to track my usage, also the data counter in the phone look under the timer menu in phone info our call info

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Posted By: rwkxxx on 02/23/10 07:15pm

.I was worried about using my cell phone for Internet access as roaming charges could run up the cost and I spend a lot of time on the computer. I signed up for Sprints Internet for $59 a month unlimited and free roaming and I love it. A small device in plugged into my laptop and I am on lime. I have added a router and it lets all my family get on line also at no added cost


Posted By: glennemay on 05/11/10 06:56am

CJBill wrote:

I don't have a Cingular account so guess I am stuck with Verizon. I sure am disappointed.


Don't be disappointed, it's almost the same configuration as the Cingular connection.

Configure a dial up connection with the following:
Phone Number
#777

user name
5555555555@vzw3g.com use your number with area code

password
vzw

keep domain blank


Make sure you select your modem as the cell phone connection. This should do it.



Glenn


Posted By: SRT on 05/11/10 07:52am

Thought I'd stick an oar in the water here. I did an upgrade from my LGxxxx phone that could be tethered to my Vista OS laptop. The upgrade was to Verizon's Palm Pre. Decided to "kill 2 birds with one stone" approach. I can get rid of my old Handspring (Palm OS) and use the Palm Pre. Additionally the Pre can be used as a "WiFi hotspot." Using the Pre can save $20 each month versus going with the MiFi.

The only problem with the Pre is there isn't an external antenna port. May have to get that cradle antenna thing from the 3G store (more $$ spent ).

Of course, I have to spend more money to get the synch software working with Outlook (also had to get Outlook 2007). I DL'd the Pre user guide PDF to my desktop to read the necessary information. Then will use the 21st century "sneaker net" to transfer the PDF to my laptop.

The plan is to get rid of the local broad band service and it's cost. The Pre would provide the service in the house (about 1 mile to Verizon tower) to two desktop computers and the laptop. I'd do the same when traveling with just the laptop. According to the Verizon rep, the Pre's hotspot works up to 30'.

After some experimentation, I hope to have this working by the end of May. Having tried things in the past, I'm sure there will be some hair pulling and gnashing of teeth while working through problems.

Wish me luck....


Posted By: chrisguld on 05/11/10 09:45am

SRT wrote:

The upgrade was to Verizon's Palm Pre.


Cool - I'd love to hear your experiences with it. I almost got the Palm Pre just for the hotspot feature - but decided I wanted the Droid more.


Posted By: sigman on 05/24/10 06:26am

I use the Motorola Droid with Verizon and through PDAnet have very good internet access.


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Posted By: Jodum on 05/24/10 03:22pm

My wife and I both have the Verizon Palm Pre Plus and love them. The HOTSPOT function works very well. When in the HOTSPOT mode, up to four computers at a time can access the WIFI network generated by the phone. It sure beats the aircard. When configured correctly, as soon as I turn on the HOTSPOT function, my laptop connects to the network automatically giving me instant access to the internet. The Verizon Palm Pre Plus cannot function as a phone and router at the same time though. When being used as a wireless router, it will ring if you receive a call but the wifi network drops if you answer the phone. So don't answer if you are downloading a big file. Just my $.02 worth.


Posted By: chrisguld on 05/24/10 04:02pm

Jodum wrote:

When configured correctly, as soon as I turn on the HOTSPOT function, my laptop connects to the network automatically giving me instant access to the internet.
.

You're still limited to 5GB/mo - right?


Posted By: califRVers on 05/24/10 08:11pm

I have the HTC Droid Eris on Verizon and also use PDAnet for internet access while camping. As long as I have 3G coverage, I have quick internet. Your not really limited to any amount because I pay for UNLIMITED access.

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Posted By: donn0128 on 06/05/10 09:37pm

chrisguld wrote:

Jodum wrote:

When configured correctly, as soon as I turn on the HOTSPOT function, my laptop connects to the network automatically giving me instant access to the internet.
.

You're still limited to 5GB/mo - right?

That is only if you are using the computer. Wifi on the phone is unlimited as the salesman tells me.


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Posted By: xctraveler on 06/06/10 01:29pm

Using PDAnet bypasses VZW tethering charge and in my past experience also bypasses the 5GB limit (although I never got that high anyhow) as they just see you as using the internet on the phone. That was with a Kyocera a couple of years ago.

Now using BB wiwth CradlePoint M1000 for hot spot on the coach. Works great but $$$ and not available for the Droid


Posted By: wbrian on 09/12/10 06:10am

"...Just a quick note on AT&T:

... Last I checked, they have a 'tether' package but I don't recall the rates..."

AT&T's tethering package costs 60.00 a month for 5 Gigs of date. If you have a blackberry, there is a program called tether (www.tether.com). It handles all the connection stuff for you and connects your PC to the net through you berry. It costs around 50.00, but is feequently on sale for half price. Once time charge, no monthly billing. My understanding is that it cloaks your tethering and is undetectable by the carrier. I've been using it for over a year, sparingly. I don't use large amounts of data when I tether, just email, surfing, etc...

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Posted By: xctraveler on 09/12/10 12:21pm

Got the DroidX with its own mobile hotspot, "only" $20/mo. It works great! It does suck battery so I have to have juice available to use it, but then the laptops also want juice every so often as well.


Posted By: Dave From AK on 09/12/10 01:46pm

xctraveler wrote:

Got the DroidX with its own mobile hotspot, "only" $20/mo. It works great! It does suck battery so I have to have juice available to use it, but then the laptops also want juice every so often as well.
Note that the $20/mo is for only 2 GB.

The phone has an unlimited data plan, but the Wi-Fi hotspot feature does not.


Posted By: donkincaid on 09/14/10 06:13pm

Just bought the VirginMobile MiFi with unlimited data. Device is a mobile hotspot supporting up to 5 devices. No contract. So far so good. 3G isn't Fiber.... But it may just work. Underlying network is Sprint.


Posted By: cmkirk on 09/20/10 10:40am

donkincaid wrote:

Just bought the VirginMobile MiFi with unlimited data. Device is a mobile hotspot supporting up to 5 devices. No contract. So far so good. 3G isn't Fiber.... But it may just work. Underlying network is Sprint.


REALLY?? We're setting up to take off and my ATT is about to reup. Will check it out.


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Posted By: Dave From AK on 09/20/10 11:04am

cmkirk wrote:

donkincaid wrote:

Just bought the VirginMobile MiFi with unlimited data. Device is a mobile hotspot supporting up to 5 devices. No contract. So far so good. 3G isn't Fiber.... But it may just work. Underlying network is Sprint.


REALLY?? We're setting up to take off and my ATT is about to reup. Will check it out.
Before you switch, check Virgin Mobile Coverage. (Note: you need to check off the "Data Coverage" box above the map to see data coverage.)


Posted By: CaliCamperTC on 09/20/10 10:16pm

Is anyone have experience with the blackberry torch from ATT and what I can get for the laptop for a trip to Alaska? Technology is really tough for me.


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Posted By: vcallaway on 09/21/10 08:38am

The map for Virgin Mobile is not very accurate. My home shows no coverage or even any where near my home yet it works fine.

I've opted to go with the USB device so I can connect an external antenna. I've ordered a Netgear MBRN3000 mobile router to share the connection.

It is more money in the long run but gives me a lot more options and I can mount an antenna on the roof. Router can be hardwired into a 12v supply. Total cost is a little over $200.


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Posted By: jmacx81 on 09/26/10 06:50pm

If you have an Android phone, you can go to the Market and get an app called easy tether. You'll want to buy the app (one time fee of ten bucks and you can change the activation if you get a new phone) it works on all networks. You can even go to https sites...


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Posted By: Torrey on 10/18/10 04:13pm

donkincaid wrote:

Just bought the VirginMobile MiFi with unlimited data. Device is a mobile hotspot supporting up to 5 devices. No contract. So far so good. 3G isn't Fiber.... But it may just work. Underlying network is Sprint.


While Virgin mobile may offer unlimited data, there has been a lot of negative feedback about their service on EVDOForums.com

I think this article sums it all up:

Virgin Mobile Broadband vs. Sprint Mobile Broadband


Posted By: Pat Anderson on 10/20/10 02:09pm

Just got our Verizon MiFi on an internet promotion, the device was free and no activation charge, with 2 year contract at $60 per month for 5 gb. Had been using a BB Storm with data plan ($30) and tethering ($30 more), so this comes out $$$ neutral on the cell side. My BB died a couple of weeks ago, and I have a donated LG flip phone for voice and text until I am next eligible for a Verizon phone upgrade, so don't need data or tethering. Set up was very easy, changed the admin password for the device and configured for SSID and password, this took all of about 15 minutes.

This morning I shut off the Centurytel dsl modem and wireless router and connected two Macs and an Acer netbook running Ubuntu Netbook, and the MiFi is FASTER than the Centurytel dsl! Where I am going to make money is terminating the Centurytel land line and dsl ($70 a month)!

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Posted By: Torrey on 11/02/10 01:39pm

Pat Anderson wrote:

Just got our Verizon MiFi on an internet promotion, the device was free and no activation charge, with 2 year contract at $60 per month for 5 gb. Had been using a BB Storm with data plan ($30) and tethering ($30 more), so this comes out $$$ neutral on the cell side. My BB died a couple of weeks ago, and I have a donated LG flip phone for voice and text until I am next eligible for a Verizon phone upgrade, so don't need data or tethering. Set up was very easy, changed the admin password for the device and configured for SSID and password, this took all of about 15 minutes.

This morning I shut off the Centurytel dsl modem and wireless router and connected two Macs and an Acer netbook running Ubuntu Netbook, and the MiFi is FASTER than the Centurytel dsl! Where I am going to make money is terminating the Centurytel land line and dsl ($70 a month)!

Can hardly wait to take this on the road!


Don't forget to change your data plan.

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Posted By: mappleg8 on 11/20/10 10:07am

Being able to connect through your cell phone is great, but I don't like the idea of paying the carrier extra to connect my computer. I already pay for a data plan.

On my old phone in had found a wonderful application. I changed phones and don't have it now, curse the luck! I'm still searching for an android app to do so on the new phone.

But -- if you have a Windows or a Symbian operating system on your phone (the last time I looked it was only those two OSs) -- go and look at www.walkinghotspot.com.

As I said, I had this on my old phone. It cost $25 for a lifetime license. One time purchase! And you don't have to keep paying the carrier or get one of those $99 connector boxes.

It connects via bluetooth or by cable, your choice. Last Thanksgiving in Nashville, TN my sis-in-law, my niece, niece's hubby, and I were all connected to the internet doing our shopping. We had a good connection and loved the system!

Again, this was from www.walkinghotspot.com and cost only $25 for a lifetime license. The drawback is the limitation to Windows and Symbian phones only. Still I think it is worth checking out.


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Posted By: xctraveler on 11/20/10 02:38pm

This must have been posted already, but tryPDAnet free or $24 for tethered service Android, BlackBerry many others.


Posted By: strollin on 11/22/10 06:38pm

xctraveler wrote:

This must have been posted already, but tryPDAnet free or $24 for tethered service Android, BlackBerry many others.

As of right now you can register PDAnet for only $16. Don't know how long it will be available at this price. Buy PDAnet


Posted By: golden4077 on 01/26/11 07:40am

Hacking your phone in order to get free tethering is breaking the terms and conditions of your contract. It is like unscrambling your cable in order to get free HBO. I just wanted to clarify this for folks. If caught, the carrier may back bill you or kick you off their network.

Tethering is a great feature and i encourage people to consider it as a viable option for internet access. However, carriers expect people to pay for the service. Just because there are ways to steal the service, does not make it right.


Posted By: xctraveler on 01/28/11 08:29pm

golden4077 wrote:

Hacking your phone in order to get free tethering is breaking the terms and conditions of your contract. It is like unscrambling your cable in order to get free HBO. I just wanted to clarify this for folks. If caught, the carrier may back bill you or kick you off their network.

Tethering is a great feature and i encourage people to consider it as a viable option for internet access. However, carriers expect people to pay for the service. Just because there are ways to steal the service, does not make it right.


Yup, absolutely. And the phone companies are very generous with their offerings, take a look at the charges for tethered use vs data on the phone itself. PDAnet has been around for a lot of years and while I used it back when I had a phone that V would not permit tethered using their software I have held it in reserve for the day when I need more than 2 gb of "tethered" data in a month and V wants the full cost of 2 gb for the next 1 gb. Then I will use PDAnet and the large corp can come and find me.


Posted By: talonhead on 02/25/11 11:58pm

I just turned off my verizon aircard for my laptop, While I turned off the "phone #" for the unit Ican still use it as a wi-fi card. I had a 5G plan ad I never ran over and I lived away from home for up to 4 mo.s at a time it worked very well. I can't have a camera on my phone if I want to take it to work. Try to find a bluetooth cell ph. w/o a cam. Then one that works well. Haven't found one yet. So I have a simple clamshell that regularly takes a beating and has not failed me yet in 3 yrs. I spent some real $$ to get my wife a new laptop (desktop replacement class) with as many bells and whistles as I could get. HUGE HD screen, BD burner, wi-fi, bluetooth, hell I even have an antenna to pick up TV or an cable adapter to hook into cable. I now have to build a mount for the passenger side of our trucks so it can be used underway.
I still haven't learned everything about it, but it's fantastic.
Bottom line: find a method that fits and a plan fits. Aux antennas and boosters/extenders are available.
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Posted By: tomman58 on 03/08/11 08:07am

After reading some of your response I'm as confused as ever.
I currently just have a cell and I also have an ATT air card (I bought the air card on EBay for 30 used).
I costs me 30 bucks to activate and then 60 a mo. I use it for the times we go snow-birding for 3 or 4 mo. I have the fastest Internet at home also from ATT.
I am at a loss as I want to move to a better phone but would think they would have a plan to tether it to the laptop thus eliminating the air card. Cost and good Internet are the goals here.I spend enough on ATT to have something for the road without another monthly fee.

Any comments???


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Posted By: anchor on 03/08/11 08:29am

Tomman--I may have originally started this subject(?). As I mentioned we have used Verizon for about 15+ years both during our Gulf and ocean sailing and also RVing. Naturaly on the water we would only be able to connect when we were near shore, etc. We tether our cell to our laptops and off we go. Before we leave we notify Verizon to put us on that plan ($60 month). That's all we do and it seems to work for us. You do need to download their "Access Verizon" I think it is called.


Posted By: phitur on 03/08/11 09:02am

golden4077 wrote:

Hacking your phone in order to get free tethering is breaking the terms and conditions of your contract. It is like unscrambling your cable in order to get free HBO. I just wanted to clarify this for folks. If caught, the carrier may back bill you or kick you off their network.

Tethering is a great feature and i encourage people to consider it as a viable option for internet access. However, carriers expect people to pay for the service. Just because there are ways to steal the service, does not make it right.


While it violates the terms, the terms are not legally binding and not enforceable in court. Basically, the terms infringe on your rights that go beyond what is legally allowed. In a court ruling against Apple this was made clear. Apple was suing the company that made the Jail Breaking software for the iPhone. The judge ruled that once purchased, the phones become the legal property of the customer and Apple no longer has any rights to what software runs on the phone.

That said, if you hack your phone to enable tethering that does not infringe on another type of service, you "may" be in violation of the terms. But those terms may not be legally binding regardless of the agreement. Just because it says so doesn't make it legal. And there is legal precedence that says otherwise.

Using services through that tethering, different story. Depends on what service you use with it.


Posted By: RockieMtMom on 03/15/11 11:26am

Just bought Verizon 4G phone service and am running my internet with it right now, very fast and great connection. I am in the Denver 4G area so traveling with this will be,for now, useful only in those cities who have the 4G capability. I can use the 3G coverage for all other areas in the Verizon access cell usage. RockyMt.Mom


Posted By: MrWizard on 03/16/11 11:16pm

4G phone

or 4G usb data modem service

the pantech modems are available

AFAIK the first Verizon 4G-LTE phone the HTC ThunderBolt is set for release soon POSSIBLY on Thurs the 17th

the announcement has been made & retracted twice before so WHO KNOWS

but has not been seen in a BonaFide customers hand YET


Posted By: nbargolf on 03/19/11 05:52am

tomman58 wrote:

After reading some of your response I'm as confused as ever.
I currently just have a cell and I also have an ATT air card (I bought the air card on EBay for 30 used).
I costs me 30 bucks to activate and then 60 a mo. I use it for the times we go snow-birding for 3 or 4 mo. I have the fastest Internet at home also from ATT.
I am at a loss as I want to move to a better phone but would think they would have a plan to tether it to the laptop thus eliminating the air card. Cost and good Internet are the goals here.I spend enough on ATT to have something for the road without another monthly fee.

Any comments???

If cost is a goal move up to a smartphone and tether it with free software(don't have to hack anything). The normal data plan for email etc is 29.99 1/2 the price you are paying a month. Then tether the phone through this connection. Also the is plan at this time has unlimited data. The problem is this isn't on AT&T


Posted By: RV Student on 03/20/11 12:11pm

Hi, is anyone currently using Sprint for their 3 or 4G services? I'd be interested in your feedback. I have used the virgin 3G, $10 at a time USB dongle, and it's worked well.

thanks for any hard learned experience.

thanks, GP.


Posted By: sheriffav8r on 03/23/11 06:10pm

I've got a Sprint EVO 4G with PDANet. I get about 800-900 kbps download with 3G and up to 4MBps on 4G! My Sprint MiFi got about 700kbps download at best. Canned the MiFi, sticking with EVO/PDANet.....


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Posted By: thefivers on 03/23/11 09:08pm

sheriffav8r: what kind of upload speed are you getting. If you can get a good upload speed you can use an internet phone like google voice.

My verizon phone tethered can use google voice, problem is I can hear the party I call perfectly but my voice is broken up when speaking to them. My upload speed is too slow.

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Posted By: RV Student on 03/23/11 10:48pm

Thanks SherrifAV8er. 'good to hear that Sprint works.

Anyone else out there had good or bad experiences with Sprint?

If t-mobile gets eaten up by AT&T, there will only be 3 major carriers left.

take care, GP.


Posted By: sheriffav8r on 03/24/11 04:07pm

With 3G I get about 400-500kbps. With 4G I'm getting close to 1MBps. With my MiFi I was getting less than the 3G numbers. I bet with 4G you can do anything you want. The only small downside of this setup is the long ping times, upwards of 150ms. Not a stopper, but just something to consider. Happy Surfing!!!!


Posted By: 1775 on 04/20/11 04:06pm

RV Student wrote:

Hi, is anyone currently using Sprint for their 3 or 4G services? I'd be interested in your feedback. I have used the virgin 3G, $10 at a time USB dongle, and it's worked well.

thanks for any hard learned experience.

thanks, GP.


Sprint owns Virgin Mobile (and Boost). If you have used Virgin's plan then you were on the Sprint data network.

I have Sprint for voice and data (old plan) and it has worked just about everyplace that I have gone on the East Coast. The Sprint map when you look at it is sparse. Voice roams on Verizon which has heavy coverage but data does not.


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Posted By: 1492 on 05/16/11 10:27am

RV Student wrote:

Hi, is anyone currently using Sprint for their 3 or 4G services?

Yes, but not through Sprint. I'm using Clearwire 4G hotspot device, which is what Sprint is currently using for their 4G service. Getting between 9-10Mbps download speed.


Posted By: rbthom on 05/19/11 08:12pm

AT&T has a USB connect shock wave 4G Thats free to get on line right now but cost about $50.00 per mo. , is anyone using this ? seems like a simple way to have internet access while traveling.


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Posted By: jack o lantern on 06/13/11 08:06am

OK, haven't seen any new posts for several months so maybe lots of new things now. My husband and I are now going on the road and need traveling internet. We have old cells with no current data programs with At&t but willing to do whatever we need to, to get mobile internet and the best cell service for east to west, to Alaska and back cell service. Please make this simple. What cell service was found to be best across the U.S.in general or consider internet service also? I'll take whatever advice you can give or send me to someone who can help me. Thanks, John and LInda


Posted By: anchor on 06/13/11 08:18am

Have used Verizon for about 20+ years in our travels tethered to laptop. I understand there are very experienced RVers here that have many views. If you view a Verizon coverage map it seems to cover more then any other cell service. We have not much more to offer except what we mentioned above.


Posted By: claudalfa on 06/13/11 03:23pm

This is the way we will be going VERIZON


Posted By: thefivers on 06/13/11 04:14pm

I am in the Trial Period for both Verizon with a Thunderbolt and Sprint with an EVO...... I am not sure what phone to keep. I am not getting great 3G with either phone (maybe I'm expecting too much). I live in the Las Vegas area and can't leave for a camping trip for another month so I can't test the phones to see how the connections are when I'm camping.

Can you all please give me your experience with how both phones and services are working with 3G & 4G. I realize I will most likely only get 3G ( if I'm lucky )when out camping. I need to send one phone back and keep the other before my trial is up next Tuesday. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,AL


Posted By: Road Princess on 06/13/11 06:05pm

jack o lantern wrote:

OK, haven't seen any new posts for several months so maybe lots of new things now. My husband and I are now going on the road and need traveling internet. We have old cells with no current data programs with At&t but willing to do whatever we need to, to get mobile internet and the best cell service for east to west, to Alaska and back cell service. Please make this simple. What cell service was found to be best across the U.S.in general or consider internet service also? I'll take whatever advice you can give or send me to someone who can help me. Thanks, John and LInda


Verizon Wireless is probably the best for coverage. I was a full timer for 9 years and I can't tell you how many times I had cell service for voice and data when my near neighbors in the RV park with other companies had useless phones. I was getting on line with my Verizon phone right next door to a lady in a coach with a brand new AT&T air card who could not.

I now am a part timer and I still use Verizon. Now I have an Android phone and I use PDA Net to tether the phone to the netbook while in the RV. Verizon has a service for $20 per month that will let you do the same, but PDA Net and Easy Tether,apps do it for free without Verizon knowing about it (read that as FREE). PDA Net's latest version even has a setting to "cloak" your usage from the cell provider.

I strongly suggest you sign up to subscribe to InternetBySmartphone and/or InternetByCellphone Yahoo! groups. You will find a lot of information there that should be helpful.

BTW, I love my Android phone. The apps are awesome for RVing. I have a free one for Passport America campgrounds and a 99 cent one that gives me more information than I need to know about rest areas on the Interstates, including which ones have free WiFi. There are also ones for gas prices and Androids come with Google's navigation which is pretty darned good. The ability to search an attraction on the internet on my smartphone as we wander down the highways and byways is just plain awesome!


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Posted By: Road Princess on 06/13/11 06:13pm

thefivers wrote:

I am in the Trial Period for both Verizon with a Thunderbolt and Sprint with an EVO...... I am not sure what phone to keep. I am not getting great 3G with either phone (maybe I'm expecting too much). I live in the Las Vegas area and can't leave for a camping trip for another month so I can't test the phones to see how the connections are when I'm camping.

Can you all please give me your experience with how both phones and services are working with 3G & 4G. I realize I will most likely only get 3G ( if I'm lucky )when out camping. I need to send one phone back and keep the other before my trial is up next Tuesday. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,AL


I have a friend who is a full time RVer. She has two phones, a Sprint and a Verizon. She has reported that the Verizon is getting service while the Sprint phone is a "brick"

As for 3G or 4G, I wouldn't count on 4G anywhere outside of very major cities for a while. We just came back from a trip and had 3G for most of the way between Fredericksburg, TX and Las Cruces, NM. There were a couple of places where we had 1X service (south of I-10) on Verizon but it worked fine for voice and the smartphone operated just great, which surprised me, so I'm assuming it would have worked for data, too.


Posted By: thefivers on 06/13/11 06:30pm

Road Princess, thanks.....

My problem is "I THINK" the Verizon Thunderbolt is having an antenna issue and not connecting to 3g and sometimes no 1X even at my house in Las Vegas.

With what you said about your friend I have no choice but to send the Sprint phone back.

Now I may have to send back the Verizon Thunderbolt and get something else before my demo period is up. 1 week to go! ( Battery dies in a few hours )

What model versizon phone are you using?
AL


Posted By: wip on 06/14/11 08:28pm

RV Student wrote:

Hi, is anyone currently using Sprint for their 3 or 4G services? I'd be interested in your feedback. I have used the virgin 3G, $10 at a time USB dongle, and it's worked well.

thanks for any hard learned experience.

thanks, GP.


I used Sprint three years ago. It was great almost everywhere. Constantly surprised us with the places we got reception.

Moving back into the motorhome now, so I tried Verizon. Because that has even better coverage, right? There map shows that we're covered here in Anchorage, but I couldn't get online. Customer support says that's because we're in Alaska. In Alaska, Verizon doesn't own the towers, so they get just enough service to be able to put Alaska on the coverage map, but not enough coverage to actually log on. I'm interpreting somewhat, but I think that's the upshot of what she said.

I had four bars, but I couldn't log on. Customer Support's explanation was, "That's because you're in Alaska." So how much of the rest of the coverage map is like like that?

I sent the aircard back.

Don't know whether to go back to Sprint, which everybody says has worse coverage, or wait until I'm in the lower 48 and try Verizon again.

This was a 4G aircard. I don't know what that means. I have no idea what G I was using three years ago.


Posted By: Motorhome_Georgia on 06/15/11 08:58am

I currently use Verizon Wireless for cell service 3G on Droid x here in Atlanta and service is awesome. I am now very new to motor homing and picking up my first RV this Friday. I want to initially travel the southeast and next year take on the whole USA. I know Verizon will serve me well, but I think they cost too much. I have unlimited plan on one phone costing me with taxes, fees, etc. $107 mo. I want to add MiFi service and all Verizon offers is 10 gb service month for $80 plus taxes, etc. For 4g service.

I saw where sprint offers MiFi unlimited 4G for $50 a month plus taxes, fees, etc. and that appeals to me not only for the lower cost, but also for the unlimited as I would like to stream my Netflix movies through it as well. With Verizon that would eat up the allowed 10 GB mo. real fast.

I not only want to use MiFi on the road, but also at my city home in Atlanta as primary Internet service.

Anyone have experience using Sprint's MiFi service 4G??


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Posted By: xctraveler on 06/16/11 12:15am

Sitting in Valdez AK with my Verizon droidx. Great phone service and data service is acceptable for being off their net. Campground I am in provides free wifi, but I just logged in to 3G Mobile Hotspot to check and the connection was fine. I will check in when I get to Anchorage in a few days. Data was even available in Canada had I wanted to spend $2/mb for the privilege. I have Canadian phone service in my plan.


Posted By: anchor on 06/16/11 08:04am

Have read the "W" word (wireless) a few times on this topic. Having been into PCs since about '92-'93. Mostly while using our cell tethered and Verizon while cruising the Gulf and Atlantic on our boat and now with our RV for quite a few years. O.K. here is the question: have always steered away from using wireless. Not sure if the 3-4 protection softwares we carry would be efficient with wireless. SO, just what do you all use to protect while using wireless? Have no experience using wireless. We are fulltimers.


Posted By: Motorhome_Georgia on 06/16/11 08:23am

When you say "wireless" are you referring to WiFi and MiFi? Or are you referring to cellular phone service (which is wireless too)?

All can be vulnerable, but you protect yourself in varying way one of which is using good common sense.


Posted By: Dave From AK on 06/19/11 08:05am

wip wrote:

Moving back into the motorhome now, so I tried Verizon. Because that has even better coverage, right? There map shows that we're covered here in Anchorage, but I couldn't get online. Customer support says that's because we're in Alaska. In Alaska, Verizon doesn't own the towers, so they get just enough service to be able to put Alaska on the coverage map, but not enough coverage to actually log on. I'm interpreting somewhat, but I think that's the upshot of what she said.

I had four bars, but I couldn't log on. Customer Support's explanation was, "That's because you're in Alaska." So how much of the rest of the coverage map is like like that?

I sent the aircard back.

Don't know whether to go back to Sprint, which everybody says has worse coverage, or wait until I'm in the lower 48 and try Verizon again.

This was a 4G aircard. I don't know what that means. I have no idea what G I was using three years ago.
I have used Verizon for data in Alaska for years. It works fine.

The problem you had was almost certainly that your 4G card was trying to find 4G service, and there is none of that in Alaska. It's unfortunate that the Verizon rep you talked to was unable to help you get 3G service with the card; it will certainly do that.


Posted By: wa0mqe on 06/26/11 04:49pm

wip, the Verizon 4G card should revert to 3G automatically when 4G is not available. You mentioned which you had 3 years ago, it should have been 3G, providing you were using a Verizon data phone, or a Verizon data modem.

To answer your question about Verizon in the lower 48, just like all the other carriers, they lie about their coverage. Their coverage maps are apparently a wild a@%ed guess. For example I can tell you their map shows solid coverage in most areas in Texas, yet even with the map showing excellent coverage it's not true.


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Posted By: pulsar on 06/26/11 05:26pm

wa0mqe wrote:

wip, the Verizon 4G card should revert to 3G automatically when 4G is not available. You mentioned which you had 3 years ago, it should have been 3G, providing you were using a Verizon data phone, or a Verizon data modem.

To answer your question about Verizon in the lower 48, just like all the other carriers, they lie about their coverage. Their coverage maps are apparently a wild a@%ed guess. For example I can tell you their map shows solid coverage in most areas in Texas, yet even with the map showing excellent coverage it's not true.


I don;t believe they "lie." Verizon's coverage maps include the following:

    These Coverage Locator maps depict predicted and approximate wireless coverage. The coverage areas shown do not guarantee service availability, and may include locations with limited or no coverage. Even within a coverage area, there are many factors, including customer’s equipment, terrain, proximity to buildings, foliage, and weather that may impact service. Some of the Coverage Areas include networks run by other carriers, the coverage depicted is based on their information and public sources, and we cannot ensure its accuracy.

Moreover, they use a mathematical prediction model, not unlike the one that the US copyright laws suggest be used to determine if a household is eligible for Distant Network Service.

We have traveled extensively and use a Verizon air card. I have not yet failed to have coverage when their coverage may said i would. I have, on occasion, had coverage when the map suggested that i wouldn.t. Sometimes, the coverage has not been what I would want; this weekend, we are on a very busy tower. Also note, i have only traveled once, in 2006, out west with the air card, But, the above statements are true about that trip.

Tom

* This post was edited 06/26/11 05:37pm by pulsar *


Posted By: ilovecamping on 06/28/11 12:07pm

Back in about Feb/March my DH and I purchased new smartphones, Motorola Flipside, and have our service through AT&T. We were told at the local AT&T that we could tether with these phones. A month or so ago we were in a different AT&T store and I was asking about tethering and they said it was an additional $45. a month and that my phone wasn't compatable to tether. The only reason I purchased a smartphone was to tether when camping/vacationing/away from home. I talked with AT&T online and was told the same thing. I explained it all and the most I get from them is an I'm sorry. We have always had AT&T and would like to stay with them because of their service. Anyway I have read about using Pdanet and that it is compatable with all phones. Since I am paying for the data plan through AT&T am I breaking any laws if I use this to tether. I would pay the $45. a month if it would work but it won't. Thanks for any help you can give us.


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Posted By: xctraveler on 06/30/11 10:52pm

ilovecamping wrote:

Back in about Feb/March my DH and I purchased new smartphones, Motorola Flipside, and have our service through AT&T. We were told at the local AT&T that we could tether with these phones. A month or so ago we were in a different AT&T store and I was asking about tethering and they said it was an additional $45. a month and that my phone wasn't compatable to tether. The only reason I purchased a smartphone was to tether when camping/vacationing/away from home. I talked with AT&T online and was told the same thing. I explained it all and the most I get from them is an I'm sorry. We have always had AT&T and would like to stay with them because of their service. Anyway I have read about using Pdanet and that it is compatable with all phones. Since I am paying for the data plan through AT&T am I breaking any laws if I use this to tether. I would pay the $45. a month if it would work but it won't. Thanks for any help you can give us.


IANAL (I am not a lawyer) I have used PDAnet in the past when it was the only way I could tether my phone and Verizon tech was informed I was doing this. They did not tell me I couldn't they just said they would not support it and any problems I had were up to me to resolve. I never had a problem and it worked fine until I upgraded my phone and was able to pay VZ's fee for tethering and have it work. As of this moment I am in Homer AK with a 3G 4 bar signal using the wifi hotpot on my droidX to connect. It is sweet. I have no idea what network I am on, the phone says "extended service" but my plan says it is included. In Canada, data is VERY expensive, but my North American Voice plan includes all voice calls in the base plan.


Posted By: ilovecamping on 07/05/11 05:16pm

Thank you for your input. I would pay for it if it would work with my phone. I will give it some more thought and maybe try calling AT&T again and see what input they can give me for a solution.


Posted By: Motorhome_Georgia on 07/10/11 09:45am

I've purchased a MiFi device called Samsung SCH-LC11 4G mobile hotspot from Costco for Verizon Wireless. I like this because at home I use it and use it also on the road and at campsites.

At home in Atlanta I have 4G service which is faster than the AT&T DSL wireless home broadband service I previously had. This MiFi device will allow up to 5 wifi devices connected simultaneously -- which is my smartphone, my iPad, and my desktop in my home office. Still have room for 2 guests as well or other devices.

On the road and in the boonies 4G is not available. It drops to 3G and thus, slower. But still adequate. But if it's a rural community it could get really really slow or cut off temporarily depending on the number of other persons also using Verizon Wireless in the area particularly your campsite. They are not on my account of course, but their own account. I have security WPA or whatever. It was more than frustrating especially if you were transacting business and in middle of it your signal stops. I just hope 4G gets out beyond the biggest cities soon.

It's not perfect, but will do for having the same service at home and away. You can literally carry in your pocket your own little hotspot. The size of the device is about 1/3 the size of pack of cigarettes if not smaller. It runs for a while on an internal battery too. It's very very lightweight. I paid $80 for it through Costco --- at the Verizon store it probably sells for double that. Costco gives me 90 days to swap it out or adjust the price should it go on sale. Plus Costco refunds the $35 activation fee.

The bad news is that I can no longer afford to stream Netflix movies as I was formerly doing with my AT&T fast DSL service (unlimited). The Verizon wireless broadband is limited. I picked the 5GB monthly download for $50 a mo. plus taxes. I could get 10GB for $80, but I think 5GB will do as long as I don't watch a lot of videos, etc. I have to change my usage habits somewhat. I will miss Netflix streaming, but one movie could eat up 1/5th of my monthly allowance through Verizon.

It's expensive I think. Verizon does not offer unlimited broadband. Sprint does, however. But I tend to believe that Sprint service would be frustrating and quite inferior -- all depending on where you are as locations vary in quality. But generally speaking Verizon is king. They are the most expensive too. I've never regretted switching my cellphone service from AT&T to Verizon as I no longer had dropped calls and poor reception in Atlanta. I could now have an iPhone if I wanted through Verizon, but much prefer my Droidx. I love Android.


Posted By: ventrman on 07/12/11 10:40pm

Nascarcruzin wrote:

I use the Verizon's air card. It, so far, has been really great!

Rebecca


The only Problem I have with my Verizon Air Card is that sometimes it disconnects repeatedly right after it connects, Other Times it fails to detect the Air Card and I have to repeatedly detect it and wait for it to configure. Other Times I have to restart my Lapto in order foe the air Card to work..


God Bless!


Posted By: brobox on 11/11/11 07:19pm

ventrman wrote:

Nascarcruzin wrote:

I use the Verizon's air card. It, so far, has been really great!

Rebecca


The only Problem I have with my Verizon Air Card is that sometimes it disconnects repeatedly right after it connects, Other Times it fails to detect the Air Card and I have to repeatedly detect it and wait for it to configure. Other Times I have to restart my Lapto in order foe the air Card to work..


I had that problem until I updated the air cards software, end of problem.


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Posted By: elkhornsun on 12/03/11 02:24pm

Verizon had not even finished with converting all its towers to 3G from 1xRTT before it started a new program to convert them to 4G. Verizon is going to upgrade the towers in high density urban areas first and in rural areas eventually in a year or two or three.

With a 3G/4G card (modem actually) the device tries to make a 4G connection and when it fails it then tries to make a 3G connection which often succeeds if the tower is close enough and nothing interferes with its line of sight signal transmission and reception (from your device which puts out a lot less power). Problem is that after 10-15 minutes the modem will try to upgrade the connection to 4G and in doing so it kills the 3G connection.

With towers that have 1xRTT and 3G transmitters there is an internal setting that you can make to force the modem to never make a 1xRTT connection which is going to be extremely slow. If you do not do this the modem chooses whichever transmitter signal is stronger and not the one that will provide the fastest speed.

I switched back to a 3G modem only and all my dropped connection problems went away. It was the modem and the tower causing the problem as my signal strength is excellent thanks to the use of a mast mounted parabolic grid antenna and a powered signal amplifier which in tandem quadruple the signal from the tower.

Verizon has the most coverage with regard to data as well as cell phone and there are public maps that show towers in your area and whether they have Sprint or Verizon or AT&T transmitters. The companies lease space on the towers for their transmitters. The nearest Verizon equipped tower is 3 miles from my house and the nearest Sprint equipped tower is the same distance but on the other side of a hill so the only option was Verizon.

Millenicom resells both Sprint and Verizon data services at a lower price and with double the cap on monthly data usage and it is month to month and they provide the modem (card and USB types) at no charge. I have used them for more than two years and they have been great in every respect.


Posted By: elkhornsun on 12/18/11 12:39pm

If you need to access the internet and download a lot of data (like Apple updates or post lots of pictures for example) the data plan rates for smartphones are the highest ones around. Much less expensive are the data plans that feature a USB or Expresscard modem. Even here the reseller for Verizon data, Millenicom.com, provides 20GB per month at $20 less than the Verizon plan that has a 10GB monthly limit.

Verizon as of today has 4G coverage in less than 5% of the USA and in reality it provides 4G only in major metro areas, so 0% coverage in Montana or WYoming. 4G in Utah is only available in the Salt Lake and Ogden metro area, in Colorado only in the Denver metro area, in Georgia only in Atlanta, in Northern California only in the major cities. Once you drive 10 miles outside the cities the coverage is 3G only and that is across the entire USA.

We have a 3G only modem as 3G service is all we can get at our house and all we can get on the road 99.9% of the time. The 3G only modem provides a much more stable connection. It is important to go into the diagnostic mode of the modem and set it so it does not use 1xRTT and only CDMA. The CDMA is 10x as fast but the modem will pick whichever transmitter is providing the strongest signal.

If the nearest tower is transmitting 1xRTT at -75db and the CDMA signal is -80db the USB modem in its default mode will choose to link to the 1xRTT signal and the result is a very slow, as in dial-up speeds, connection.

With the added performance of a USB modem in a wireless router it is easy for multiple computers and people to share a single connection even when traveling. Much cheaper than paying for access in the parks.

One alternative we have found is that the public libraries have free WiFi and so when we have needed to upload or download a lot of data or found ourselves in a cellular black hole (not uncommon in California) we stop at a library for a couple of hours.


Posted By: ISM500 on 02/15/12 08:43pm

Been really quiet and since technology moves so quickly, what is the latest and greatest?

More specifically,voice, email, Canadian access, pay as you go.


Posted By: carbour404 on 03/25/12 06:04pm

We use my verizon I phone. Make it a "hot spot" either on line or in the store. This will power 5 devices. My wife had her I pad fired up searching for the next cg or place of interest. The laptop was always online as long as I had cell service. It costs only $20 a month and is pro rated for partial months. It did drop out often and we would have to sign on to the service on the I phone once in a while.
Boy have we ever come a long way from having to find a pay phone along the way.


Posted By: RockyRoadCamper on 04/25/12 06:22am

carbour404
This sounds really interesting. We are very tech challenged, only have an old trac fone, but we need to figure this stuff out pretty soon. Could you tell us a little more about the Verizon I phone feature?
Thanks, S.F.


Posted By: tomman58 on 04/25/12 06:31am

RockyRoadCamper wrote:

carbour404
This sounds really interesting. We are very tech challenged, only have an old trac fone, but we need to figure this stuff out pretty soon. Could you tell us a little more about the Verizon I phone feature?
Thanks, S.F.


I just got a Samsung galaxy 2 from Costco for 49.00.
With the ATT plan I can set up a hot spot for 0.00, nada dollars.
I use the 5G media plan. I didn't do an I phone as don't like the idea of being "locked" into their world only. the androit lets me play in all worlds less apple.


Posted By: magicbus on 04/25/12 01:10pm

Same here. We just used our Galaxy S2 on At&t as a hotspot today on a long drive up RT 95. Very simple and no charge. I turn on the feature and my wife's laptop sees it and connects.

The reply nice thing is that it uses surprisingly little battery power.
Dave


Posted By: elkhornsun on 04/26/12 04:35pm

DanaMc wrote:

Chrishick,

For everyone's benefit, please add a post with the details of the Bluetooth option. I know there are many folks who have more recent equipment than others including myself. So I'm very interested in anything along these lines.

Thanks for your contribution.


Bluetooth is for wireless devices like a mouse or keyboard. WiFi with 802.11n is doing to provide much better data throughput and can be shared with multiple computers at the same time.

We use a Cradlepoint router that has both 802.11n wireless and standard Ethernet cable ports and will work with any USB modem so we are not locked into any one company but can go with whichever company provides the best deal. At this time it is buying the Verizon service through Millenicom which is cheaper than Verizon direct and has with the Verizon towers the best nationwide coverage.

After AT&T handed over more than 300 million emails of US citizens to the military I am not about to use them for anything.


Posted By: magicbus on 04/27/12 04:32am

elkhornsun wrote:

After AT&T handed over more than 300 million emails of US citizens to the military I am not about to use them for anything.
Not even Google heard of this one. Could you possibly share a link so others may learn?

Dave


Posted By: Wayne Dohnal on 04/29/12 07:20pm

It has recently become feasible to use Page Plus cellular, on the Verizon network, for temporary data use. They have a new plan called The Fifty Five. For $55 a month it provides unlimited voice and texts, and a gigabyte of data. I switched over to this plan for a month on the road and will switch back to the lower cost plan when the month is up. You of course have to be careful that the phone you use can be tethered to a laptop. I'm lucky that my old LG clunker can. The data on my phone is 1x, not lightning fast but very usable.


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Posted By: jaykimnoregrets on 06/22/12 10:52am

Hey guys :-)

This may be a silly question (I am kinda illiterate un this area) Hubby asked me to post a question about internet on the road.

He is a BIG gamer and loves to play WOW with our oldest son online, He is wondering if the free wifi that some parks offer would be enough for him to play his games online? obviously he isn't real worried about a secure wifi for just gaming. We were thinking about just getting the 1G data plan to do bills etc online and just use that secure wifi for that kind of thing.
any help/info is greatly appreciated, thank you
:-)

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Posted By: xctraveler on 07/07/12 10:07am

WOW? World of Warcraft? This kind of game takes significant bandwidth, I believe. Most campgrounds have limited backhaul (connection to internet). They frown on movie downloads and serious gaming as it leaves little room for other users on the network. You need to check with the campgrounds you are going to to see what they offer in terms of connectivity.

We use MiFi with 5 Gb, but don't do movies or gaming. We use 3 to 4 Gb each month when we are on the road long term. As always YMMV (I see you are new, YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary)


Posted By: Dave H M on 07/07/12 11:07am

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* This post was edited 07/07/12 03:45pm by Dave H M *


Posted By: photonut4 on 08/06/12 06:26am

I am researching new internet options. I am done with the mifis, as I had nothing but trouble with them. Which would give me a more reliable internet connection: tethering a cell phone or a 3G air card in a cradle point router? I currently just use a trac phone, so I would have to sign up with a carrier, if I go the cell phone route. I would go with Millicom if I go the air card route. Thanks for any info. Liz


Posted By: Fezziwig on 08/06/12 08:19am

A couple years ago I had great success with a Verizon USB datacard in a Cradlepoint CTR500 router. Worked all over California. It was supposed to be about $60/month, but I kept getting bills for hundreds of dollars (which I always fought and usually got reduced). Finally, I quit just because the billing was such a nuisance. Both Windows XP and linux handle the USB datacard directly, too.

I was hoping that the cellphone data billing would come down, but it looks just the opposite.


Posted By: photonut4 on 08/06/12 08:50am

Fezziwig wrote:

A couple years ago I had great success with a Verizon USB datacard in a Cradlepoint CTR500 router. Worked all over California. It was supposed to be about $60/month, but I kept getting bills for hundreds of dollars (which I always fought and usually got reduced). Finally, I quit just because the billing was such a nuisance. Both Windows XP and linux handle the USB datacard directly, too.

I was hoping that the cellphone data billing would come down, but it looks just the opposite.


Why the outrageous bills? Was that directly through Verizon or Millicom? TIA.


Posted By: Fezziwig on 08/06/12 07:15pm

That was Verizon direct.

The big charges were from data overuse, but I was careful to monitor my usage, and I'm sure that I was right. At first I suspected Windows XP (or a mailbot or something) was doing behind-the-scenes data transfers, but when we looked at Verizons comm journal and the detail records therein it became apparent that was not the case. And then it started happening on linux. A couple times I used dataservice almost up to the limit and then quit using Vz altogether so that I'd stay below the price threshold, but it didn't work! There was a flurry of weird data transfers just before end-of-billing-cycle and I'd end up owing hundreds again.

Something crooked was going on and I didn't know whether it was Verizon or someone within Vz cheating both them and me.

The only solution was to quit.

I'd like to get a pre-paid datacard that would quit working if I exceeded my pre-pay, but there's no such thing that I know of. I think the cellphone companies are happy to overcharge their customers.


Posted By: Dave From AK on 08/13/12 03:53pm

photonut4 wrote:

I am researching new internet options. I am done with the mifis, as I had nothing but trouble with them. Which would give me a more reliable internet connection: tethering a cell phone or a 3G air card in a cradle point router? I currently just use a trac phone, so I would have to sign up with a carrier, if I go the cell phone route. I would go with Millicom if I go the air card route. Thanks for any info. Liz
In general, there is no difference in signal quality between tethering a phone and using a USB modem in a router. If one will take an external antenna and the other does not, then you would see a difference in a marginal signal area.

That said, I reliably get faster throughput tethering my Droid Bionic than I do with my USB modem and Cradlepoint router. I suspect that the radio technology simply improved in the four or five years from when the USB modem was made and when the Bionic was made. I travel in almost exclusively 3G areas. I am a Verizon subscriber.

I see a lot of unfavorable reviews of MiFi-type devices. I wonder if that has to do with the devices themselves or with the limitations of 4G service as it currently exists.


Posted By: de4lee on 09/30/12 08:14am

First of all I'm so new to this I haven't even picked up my rig let... I wanted to know about satellite internet. Will it give me faster load times and more access? We run a busness so we daily upload video's and 150 pic's of the hike each day. I know I can use my phone for a hot-spot but we also want to stream movies. We are going to be full timers so dependability is important.


Posted By: Dave From AK on 09/30/12 09:00am

de4lee wrote:

First of all I'm so new to this I haven't even picked up my rig let... I wanted to know about satellite internet. Will it give me faster load times and more access? We run a busness so we daily upload video's and 150 pic's of the hike each day. I know I can use my phone for a hot-spot but we also want to stream movies. We are going to be full timers so dependability is important.
Satellite Internet access for RVs has fallen off in popularity as cellular access has improved.

Satellite service has the advantage of working wherever you have a clear shot at the satellite from your rig. However, there is a high up-front cost ($5,000-$6,000) and it is slower than cellular access in GOOD cellular areas (but not in overcrowded 3G areas). In recent years, Verizon 3G data access has expanded rapidly, and their entire network is scheduled to be 4G in the next year or so. Unless you plan to spend time in areas with no cellular data access, you are better off with a cellular provider.

(Don't confuse RV satellite Internet service with fixed satellite Internet services, such as Wild Blue.)

RV satellite service download speeds are 700-1000 Kbps, so steaming movies is probably not feasible. Upload speeds are 50-200 Kbps. In Verizon 4G areas, download speeds of at least 5 Mbps are typical, but in the case of both satellite and cellular data access the carriers place limits on the amount of data you can download before either incurring extra charges or having your service throttled to very slow speeds.

A good source for info about satellite service is the Datastorm Users Forum

For cellular data service, check out the InternetByCellPhone Yahoo forum

Hope that helps.


Posted By: de4lee on 10/01/12 10:27pm

Thanks for the heads up. I hit all the cel service places today to get a quote. I really surprised the guy at AT&T when he was doughtful if he could help me. Uyill I just asked if he had a 20g service he said well yeah? I said ok how much?.. It shocked him but he quickly hunted up the form to tell me and I can get out with 2 phones, Hotspot device and 20g for about $280. I will still have to severly limit my NETFIX but I think I can make it work.


Posted By: ridingonfumes on 10/28/12 08:58pm

I almost never use netflix on the road, I use an app called droidtv it allows me to download shows directly to my Android tablet or phone, both of witch I can hook directly into my tv if I want a larger screen.
I have a 32gb sd card in my tablet it allows me to store about 100 hours of tv on my device that I can watch anywhere even with no signal.
It's like $8 for 3 months service, and the shows are entire seasons including stuff that aired only the day before.
.
Jetflix also allows download to sd card but it's not as usrr friendly as droidtv's set up
.
I do all my downloading when near wifi and save my 4G cellular data for the rest of the internet


Posted By: ridingonfumes on 10/28/12 09:27pm

As for my carrier I was on tmobile, for 6 years, untill I got fed up,.. I paid $10 for an online company to send me an unlock code for my Android phone its a sensation 4G,
..now I can jump from one gsm prepaid carrier to the next whenever I want depending on who has the best service where I will be camping
...... Gsm carriers are basicly ATT and T-Mobile, they lease their tower to lots of prepaid carriers. Straight Talk, simple mobile, go phones, ect
.
. Any unlocked tmo or att phone will work on the others network but unless it's Pentaband it will only have the ability to use the other carriers 2G network.
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Lots of newer phones from both companies are Pentaband but I recommend the galaxy nexus (unlocked $349 from goole play store) or the new LG nexus coming in the next week price yet un-announced.
Being unlocked and direct from Google are a huge plus aside from being Pentaband, and nexus phones (nexus phones are pure android no 3rd party bloatwear so they always get the newest software updates first)
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Straight Talk has 2 kinds of Sim cards one for att network and one for tmobile, when in for example lone pine ca I use at&t straight Talk Sim because tmobile has no coverage at all, in lake Isabella both have strong signal but tmo only has 2G while at&t has 3G,,,,,,, however if I'm in bakersfield I use a tmobile Sim for their kick a$$ 4G.

Most prepaid plans cost $40-50 a month for unlimited everything and straight Talk they will throttle to 2G though after using 2gb a month, (best plan for more 4G before being throttled is tmobiles prepaid $70 a month unlimited everything 5gb before throttle)
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Currently I'm using a straight Talk Sim, but soon I'm going to take it up a step.
I tmobile also offers an online sign up only plan 5gb before throttle unlimited text and only 100min talk, and for $30 a month,,,,,,,,,, then for more talk time I'm getting a 2nd phone through the lifeline cellular program aka obamaphone,,,,,,, for $20 a month they will give me a dum-phone with 1000min. That uses the Verizon network, so $50 bucks a month and I will have plenty of talk, text, and data AND access to all 3 of the biggest carriers networks for the best possible chance of a signal where ever I'm camped

* This post was edited 10/28/12 09:33pm by ridingonfumes *


Posted By: moisheh on 01/05/13 04:55pm

ridingonfumes: I do not see that Tmobile plan. Is it prepaid or contract? I looked at both the 3G and 4G. The coverage maps show the service as being very limited.

Moisheh


Posted By: ridingonfumes on 01/05/13 07:10pm

moisheh wrote:

ridingonfumes: I do not see that Tmobile plan. Is it prepaid or contract? I looked at both the 3G and 4G. The coverage maps show the service as being very limited.

Moisheh


Yeah the Page is confusing from the plans Page find the link that says "browse all plans".
Or this link should work
http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans

Also As of next month the tmobile $70 unlimited everything will drop its 5gb throttle cap and become true unlimited 4G..... And tmobile just bought out metro pcs so their coverage area will be integrated into the tmo network.


Posted By: moisheh on 01/07/13 05:26am

ridingonfumes: That is an ineteresting way of getting cheap data. I am leary that the coverage will not be that great. I punched in a bunch of zip codes and amny came up with either no coverage or 2G. Even looking at some larger cities the $g is spotty. My usage will be mostly non RV. Long Distance trucking. I think Verizon is the only one with great coverage. I am experimenting with thAt new service: Ting. They use Sprint but for voice pigyy back on Verizon. That still may leave me with a data problem. Sprint appears to have very good 4G in large cities.

Moisheh


Posted By: geeman53 on 02/16/13 09:39am

My phone is a Galaxy S II on VM/Sprint-$35/month 300 min./unlimited data. We use Barnacle w/ wifi app to use the the galaxy as the hot spot.USB from phone to laptop. Worked like a charm for two weeks in the Keys, last year.
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Posted By: anchor on 02/16/13 09:45am

With wife's Apple ipad running with Verizon it also is a hotspot for our laptops. Works like the cellphone anywhere it seems.


Posted By: JustinLookin on 12/11/13 03:15pm

Question for Canadian Snowbirds.

Has anybody looked at Roam Mobility and their Snowbird Plan? It's $39.95 per month for:

Unlimited nationwide talk
Unlimited global text
1GB high-speed data per month
Free long-distance calls to Canada
Free voicemail and caller ID

But you have to buy minimum 3 months at a time. So that's $120 but it includes free calls to Canada which makes it seem like good value in my opinion. Roam appears to be using T-Mobile network.

Link to Roam's website: http://www.roammobility.com/snowbird-plan


Posted By: Gulfcoast on 01/08/14 05:42am

One of the best data plans I've seen lately is prepaid Straight Talk from Walmart... 2GB for $25 and 4GB for $40, the later is good for 60-days. You have to buy their mifi unit and it's probably on Verizon towers. It's 3-G service, but it works. $10 per GB is a good price.

This is not a phone plan... so no throttling.

* This post was last edited 01/08/14 06:13am by Gulfcoast *


Posted By: wildwood1 on 02/15/14 06:07pm

I plan to use my win phone hotspot as a WiFi site. I have used it without USB cord. I am not too familiar with all this but I have activated my hotspot in my phone and pulled it up on my laptop and used it. I am going to try get by with my 4gb plan thru Verizon. I checked out their other technology but thought I would try my phone initially.
is anyone else using their phone as hot spot?
thanks


Posted By: Dave From AK on 02/16/14 09:14am

wildwood1 wrote:

I plan to use my win phone hotspot as a WiFi site. I have used it without USB cord. I am not too familiar with all this but I have activated my hotspot in my phone and pulled it up on my laptop and used it. I am going to try get by with my 4gb plan thru Verizon. I checked out their other technology but thought I would try my phone initially.
is anyone else using their phone as hot spot?
thanks
I suggest that you post your question at the Yahoo InternetByCellPhone forum. There are many, many members there who can report their experience with using their phones as hotspots.


Posted By: MrWizard on 02/16/14 09:54am

Clarification
No throttling, when data limit is reached, you have to buy more, if you use all your data in ten days, you buy more, or have no internet
This is not a complaint, just clarifying for those that might not know

Gulfcoast wrote:

One of the best data plans I've seen lately is prepaid Straight Talk from Walmart... 2GB for $25 and 4GB for $40, the later is good for 60-days. You have to buy their mifi unit and it's probably on Verizon towers. It's 3-G service, but it works. $10 per GB is a good price.

This is not a phone plan... so no throttling.


* This post was edited 02/16/14 10:04am by MrWizard *


Posted By: airton.aragao on 03/31/14 03:17am

Hi. I live in Brazil and will be travelling from Miami to NY (trough the interior), next may, with an El Monte RV. May someone suggest an prepaid plan from a company with good coverage at this route ?

Thanks


Posted By: Dave From AK on 03/31/14 05:53pm

airton.aragao wrote:

Hi. I live in Brazil and will be travelling from Miami to NY (trough the interior), next may, with an El Monte RV. May someone suggest an prepaid plan from a company with good coverage at this route ?

Thanks
Are you interested in Internet access strictly on a phone, or do you need access on a laptop or tablet?

You will probably get some useful responses to your question on the Yahoo Internet By Cellphone forum


Posted By: MrRules on 05/13/14 11:29am

Since this topic began over five years ago I think it is time to let it rest. technology has changed so much in this interval the discussion is now mute so moderators please remove the topic and save some bandwidth.

Stu


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Posted By: Fezziwig on 05/13/14 12:51pm

How horrible! The topic has too much traffic. What a nuisance!

I imagine if Elvis were alive today he'd say "Too many people liked my early recordings and it distracted me from becoming the worlds greatest singer of German leider!"


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/16/14 08:25pm

MrRules wrote:

Since this topic began over five years ago I think it is time to let it rest. technology has changed so much in this interval the discussion is now mute so moderators please remove the topic and save some bandwidth.

Stu


I was tethering my LG AirTel , cell phone back in 2002

Speed has changed, pricing has changed, portable hotspots have become available, phones are micro computers and have Wi-Fi routers
And we are still using them for internet

The topic is just as relevant today as it was five years ago


Posted By: ecovidual on 05/19/14 08:48am

Has anyone successfully won the battle for wifi in the wilderness? I do have an iPhone w/ Verizon plan that performs well as a hotspot and have not (yet) had the issue of expensive overage charges. The real issue that I have is that we are often off the beaten path and I need a connection to access online educational program and publish to a blog.


Posted By: MrWizard on 05/20/14 12:05am

there is only one way to connect if there is NO cell coverage

and that is using Satellite Dish internet

it cost more than cellular and is slower
but will connect if you have a clear shot of sky to aim at the Satellite

for most people blogs, email, and facebook etc.. and can wait

usually only people who must maintain a working business presence opt for satellite internet


Posted By: jobythebay on 05/25/14 07:12am

Thank you for keeping this topic. I will post the question on the Newfoundland board but if anyone has experience with phones in Canada, can you give me some advice? 5 weeks is a long time to be away from the Web - yup even though I don't work. Thanks again.


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who JUST bought a Georgetown 328TS Class A and will be towing a 2010 Toyota Corolla.


Posted By: ridingonfumes on 05/26/14 01:01am

Yeah with all the changes this is more relevant than ever.

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The Tmobile unlimited true unlimited with no throttling is now available even in prepaid... Because of the failed merger of at&t and Tmobile a couple years back A&TT has to allow Tmobile use of their towers for 10 years. So being with Tmobile now gives you access to both networks....(provided your specific phone has the correct antennas built in)


Posted By: ridingonfumes on 05/26/14 01:06am

If you don't mind being throttled straight talks unlimited talk text web plan for $45 is still the best deal around. They have contracts with Tmobile at and Verizon the network you use through them depends on what phone you have
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Also Wilson electronics does a giveaway almost every Thursday on their blog or their Facebook page... Check it out if you have time : ) I won a sleek 4G signal booster from them


Posted By: dshizzel on 10/11/14 02:06pm

My .02 -- Any Android phone with a data plan -- FoxFi found on the Play Store will turn it into a Wi-Fi hotspot and you can run all your wifi devices on it. This way, you don't have to pay Verizon's ridiculous fee for using data you already paid for as a hotspot.

If this has already been mentioned, my apologies, as I didn't want to read 5 years of posts


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Posted By: MrWizard on 10/12/14 03:16pm

Many of us have FoxFi and love it

Unfortunately , it Doesn't help IF your in the wilderness, and there is no cell tower signal


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