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Posted: 01/26/06 10:51am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This is from the poll.
"Is Clark County's new 'no dry camping' rule bad for business?
Yes, it's a dumb move and should be retracted.
No, people with RV's can afford to pay to properly park/use them."

I notice the the "NO" has nothing to do with the HEALTH issues that the health dept was worried about.
Whackie and the others seem to be right. Follow the $$$MONEY$$$.

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Hi All,

Various perspectives on this, so I'll share ours. Gambling is one of our major hobbies, and we travel to casinos all around the West and the South. We even have a web site (see signature) devoted to Casino based RV travel.

1: Casinos love RVers because we're low maintenance, don't take up space in the hotel, and we gamble every day like a local.

2: In support of Fact 1; if a casino didn't want RV's in the parking lot, they'd be gone quicker than you can say "tow truck". Casinos everywhere, and especially in Nevada, have broad powers to enforce their own rules. If you do something that a Casino doesn't like you're gone, period.

This includes any RV's that may appear to have "stayed too long" or "taken up residence" or whatever. If the casino manager said boo, they'd be gone.

3: This law was passed back in 1970, and has not been enforced. So in 36 years, nothing has happened that would cause an outcry for enforcement of an existing law. Seems like that would indicate that the law is unnecessary.

4: Someone may have already mentioned this, but it's not just a Laughlin thing, and not just casinos. Clark Co. is big and includes Las Vegas. I wonder about all those busses and RV's parked at LV Motor Speedway for races? How about the dozens of other major events in the county where thousands of RV's are used, the National Finals Rodeo comes to mind.

I'll be following this story with a lot of interest!

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Posted: 01/26/06 01:24pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Why don't the cassinos build Rv sites and either charge for them or do a credit depending how much you lose.If the RV gambling money is such a huge factor,the casino should gladly spend some money to make more.We stay at Sam's Town and don't mind paying for the site.Don't tell me it isn't all about the money as anyone that can't afford to pay to stay should not be gambling.After all the casino's all run next to nothing in cost tours from Yuma etc.meals,spendinh credits etc,cheaper then staying there and paying Rv parking.

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Posted: 01/26/06 01:48pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Holly Toledo ,Batman, this statement appears to be just like that crazy woman in Billings Mt. , claimed.

"3: This law was passed back in 1970, and has not been enforced. So in 36 years, nothing has happened that would cause an outcry for enforcement of an existing law. Seems like that would indicate that the law is unnecessary."



Unless of course you own a KOA at Las Vegas and you charge out the ying yang for a black top parking bonanza.

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Posted: 01/26/06 05:22pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Rovers wrote:

...The local campgrounds want that income. They want government to force RVer's into their campgrounds, disregarding the fact that (1) they may already be full, (2) their power is probably inadequate for modern RV's, (3) their site size is probably inadequate, etcetra, etcetra, etcetra. Wacky has been correct on this issue for a long time and not many have taken notice. ARVC, TACO, KOA and other campground owners are behind a movement to force RVer's to ONLY use commercial campgrounds. This issue goes so much deeper than what is seen on the surface.


This is true. Within our capitalist system, these campground owners want the government to subsidize their income by forcing RVers to park in their RV parks. They are betting that RVers will check in and pay vs. driving down the road.

The "public health" issue is a red herring.

A Red Herring is a technique where an misleading, irrelevant, or unfounded topic is presented in order to divert attention from the real issue.

1. The topic that matters to RV park owners is, they want to make more money.

2. They know the government has no stake in whether they profit, or how much, so they introduce restrictions in their favor under the guise of being relevant to public health and safety.

3. Government acts on the supposedly legitimate issue of Public health and safety, but the result is that RV Park owners get what they desire.

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Posted: 01/26/06 05:51pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Hmmm... funny about my post regarding gray water health concerns brought to light by people who seem able to live for 30 days without dumping was deleted... [emoticon]. I guess everyone is right - it's not about health concerns, it's about money. Somehow ARVC and KOA must have decided they have more pull than the Casino Industry in Nevada... [emoticon]... can't wait to see if this is true!

My guess... one foolish County Freeholder (or whatever they call themselves) who forgot who pays his tab in Nevada and just had to get on his high horse.

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Posted: 01/26/06 08:07pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Since this is a Clarke Cty thing, just remember Las Vegas Raceway and rodeo locations are should be included in this deal. Just a thought!

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Anyoltime wrote:

Why don't the cassinos build Rv sites and either charge for them or do a credit depending how much you lose.If the RV gambling money is such a huge factor,the casino should gladly spend some money to make more...


Many do, as you mention in the 2nd half of your post, Sams Town has a very nice RV park. However, that's overhead, more employees, etc.

On the other hand, if a casino has a 1/2 empty parking lot just sitting there, it costs them nothing to let a bunch of RV's come in and park for a few days or a week or longer if the casino wants to. After all, it's their private property.

Anyoltime wrote:

...anyone that can't afford to pay to stay should not be gambling...


Let's not get personal [emoticon]

Seriously though, people who are "well off" didn't get that way by wasting money. It isn't about "not being able to afford" to pay for an RV site. The point is, there's no reason to pay for something that we don't need. We have a fully self-contained RV with solar power. We only rarely need hookups.

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Posted: 01/26/06 03:13pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It looks like the health dept. or other county agency started vigorously enforcing the ban. It appears the casinos were perfectly happy with the status quo: alowing RV's to dry camp on their lots. We'll see who has the most political clout.

Personally I'd like to see some more low priced hookup sites at the various casinos. I like the area between Harrahs and River Palms (closer to Harrahs buffet) I usually go in the summer and I want that AC running 24/7 without having to tend the generator.





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Posted: 01/26/06 03:27pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Anyoltime wrote:

Why don't the cassinos build Rv sites and either charge for them or do a credit depending how much you lose.If the RV gambling money is such a huge factor,the casino should gladly spend some money to make more.


Why should they? It is their private property and should be allowed to use it in anyway they want (within legal boundaries). The story that is not being told, is that an 18-wheeler with a sleeper CAN spend the night or more on that same parking lot that RVer's now CANNOT. It is so simple to see, I am amazed. The local campgrounds want that income. They want government to force RVer's into their campgrounds, disregarding the fact that (1) they may already be full, (2) their power is probably inadequate for modern RV's, (3) their site size is probably inadequate, etcetra, etcetra, etcetra. Wacky has been correct on this issue for a long time and not many have taken notice. ARVC, TACO, KOA and other campground owners are behind a movement to force RVer's to ONLY use commercial campgrounds. This issue goes so much deeper than what is seen on the surface.


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