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Posted: 02/01/07 07:23am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

F350OilBurner wrote:

He's only over his GVWR by 3000-4000lbs. And the rear tires by maybe 1000lbs. each. Is this a problem? Amazingly, the thing seems to sit dead level. Must have the same "spring pack" as that F150 dude.

I love these posts. We divide into two camps - Those who themselves have overloaded SRW trucks and defend the action and those who don't.

Someone needs to find this guy and get him on here to defend himself.


i don't love these posts unless they are informative. two camps here, those who overload by the numbers their srw trucks and aren't worried about it, and those who continuously bash them for causing global warming for doing so...


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    russd wrote:

    i don't love these posts unless they are informative. two camps here, those who overload by the numbers their srw trucks and aren't worried about it, and those who continuously bash them for causing global warming for doing so...


    That's new terminology for me. I've heard of paint by numbers. Now we can overload trucks by the numbers. Cool.

    Now continue on your merry way melting the polar ice caps. See if I care. I'm enjoying the mild winter. The defense rests.


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    Posted: 02/01/07 08:07am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

    well im no weight police fan, they need to mind their own business most of the time. but this guys is really really over.........500# is one thing, but this guy is like 8 times that........scary.


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    Status - NO air in Ride-Rite airbags. Propane full. Fresh water empty. No food. No clothes.

    It is sitting level.

    Weighed that day - camper is 3,300 lbs. Rear axle weight was 5,840 lbs. Stock load range E tires show 3,195 @ 80 psi.

    Those are Rickson 19.5" wheels 4,500 lb. rating with 14 ply Yokohama tires 4,540 lbs. at 95 psi.

    What are the risks? SRW - blowout. That is why tires are checked before and during a trip.

    There are many risks - drunk driver head on .................... etc.

    I have driven that truck with truck camper over 17,000 miles. Dual rear wheels are not necessarily a substitute for experience.

    Maybe some day I will have a dually, but I am satisfied that I am safe today.

    Fire away. I can take it. I was driving overloaded 1/2 ton pickups when I was 13 years old and that was a long time ago!

    * This post was edited 02/01/07 10:06am by JumboJet *

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    I agree. It's up to the individual as to what they want to tow or haul. None of our nosey business. Many can be seriously over their GVWR and drive, handle, and arrive at their chosen destination always while some with only half a load can't even keep it on the road or the rubber side down.


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    Live and let live is a fine attitude to hold until someone does something that keeps someone else from living...
    Then no amount of liability insurance is going to be enough to cover the grief that person causes.

    Bottom line is:
    Where does common sense end and stupidity begin?
    Many with the live & let live nature never want to draw a line, but they better hope they never have to deal with the consequences.
    I deal with people's actions all the time, cleaning up problems after they screw up. Its no fun. But at least I haven't had to deal with any death yet.
    No one is perfect, and we all make mistakes. But not doing what you can to help your neighbor keep from making a mistake is not being a good neighbor.
    You can call someone who shows concern for the proper loading of a vehicle "weight police" if you want, and you could say the attitude that they have is being pushy or nosey. Maybe some "weight police" are a bit extreme, but at least they are not negligent to the other guy and his / her welfare.

    Ultimately it appears that the original post and picture displays a truck that given the information available is very overloaded and poses a risk.
    If that owner is unaware he needs to be informed. IF they are aware of the overload and decides that it his / her own neck at risk and doesn't care, then he is probably not a person that you really want to be driving next to if you can avoid it.
    Chances are this vehicle with loaded trailer doesn't just see the beach at 15mph, but does hit highway speeds on major roads.
    Some people deny the assumption that the rig could ever do anything that might cause risk to anyone else, but you might as well bury your head in the sand of that beach.
    Society cannot control actions of the few who deny all responsiblity and take needless risks despite being warned. But at least the rest can be warned.
    Laws, codes, rules, guidelines and so forth do NOT stop actions of the few, but they direct those who would comply and try to fit into society, sometimes begrudgingly. It is these types of things that allow society to exist.
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    Mooney,

    You need to go back and read all the posts on this thread before you think his truck is stock and a 9200 GVWR. I've been a truck engineer for 40 years and I have a hint of what I'm talking about.

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    D&SBarnes,

    The truck in the op's pic may be overloaded or just pushing the envelope. You are only looking at a pic and have absolutely no personal knowledge of his setup or weight. You can only guess. He might skinny and alone so not much weight in the truck. He may have a very lightly loaded or empty camper with little or no liquid aboard. What if he only has 200 lbs max of tongue weight from the trailer? There is nothing showing in the pic that tells or hints what he hauls on his trailer. If you really think you need to tell him that he may be unaware of what he weighs and that he might be overweight? Why don't you set out to find him and carefully explain to him how wrong he is. Maybe you might even tell him you don't think he should drive a rig like that anymore and he should straighten up his act. I'm sure he will generously thank you and say he's very sorry and will have it towed home so he can change his rig immediately. However, if I were you, I'd wear a bullet proof vest when you do your deed. I'll sit right here and wait until you get back so you can tell us how it went. If you're successful, I'll buy your lunch for you.

    * This post was edited 02/01/07 10:49pm by travelnutz *

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    D&SBarnes wrote:

    Live and let live is a fine attitude to hold until someone does something that keeps someone else from living...
    Then no amount of liability insurance is going to be enough to cover the grief that person causes.

    Bottom line is:
    Where does common sense end and stupidity begin?
    Many with the live & let live nature never want to draw a line, but they better hope they never have to deal with the consequences.
    I deal with people's actions all the time, cleaning up problems after they screw up. Its no fun. But at least I haven't had to deal with any death yet.
    No one is perfect, and we all make mistakes. But not doing what you can to help your neighbor keep from making a mistake is not being a good neighbor.
    You can call someone who shows concern for the proper loading of a vehicle "weight police" if you want, and you could say the attitude that they have is being pushy or nosey. Maybe some "weight police" are a bit extreme, but at least they are not negligent to the other guy and his / her welfare.

    Ultimately it appears that the original post and picture displays a truck that given the information available is very overloaded and poses a risk.
    If that owner is unaware he needs to be informed. IF they are aware of the overload and decides that it his / her own neck at risk and doesn't care, then he is probably not a person that you really want to be driving next to if you can avoid it.
    Chances are this vehicle with loaded trailer doesn't just see the beach at 15mph, but does hit highway speeds on major roads.
    Some people deny the assumption that the rig could ever do anything that might cause risk to anyone else, but you might as well bury your head in the sand of that beach.
    Society cannot control actions of the few who deny all responsiblity and take needless risks despite being warned. But at least the rest can be warned.
    Laws, codes, rules, guidelines and so forth do NOT stop actions of the few, but they direct those who would comply and try to fit into society, sometimes begrudgingly. It is these types of things that allow society to exist.
    IMHO.


    Boy this one brings it home. Sure love to see this as a sticky when someone is asking whether it's ok to pack on too many pounds.

    We often refer to "it's our choice," sadly we remove the choice from the others traveling on the highway . . . not knowing they may be at additional risk because someone else made a bad decision.


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    travelnutz wrote:

    D&SBarnes,

    The truck in the op's pic may be overloaded or just pushing the envelope. You are only looking at a pic and have absolutely no personal knowledge of his setup or weight. You can only guess. He might skinny and alone so not much weight in the truck. He may have a very lightly loaded or empty camper with little or no liquid aboard. What if he only has 200 lbs max of tongue weight from the trailer? There is nothing showing in the pic that tells or hints what he hauls on his trailer. If you really think you need to tell him that he may be unaware of what he weighs and that he might be overweight? Why don't you set out to find him and carefully explain to him how wrong he is. Maybe you might even tell him you don't think he should drive a rig like that anymore and he should straighten up his act. I'm sure he will generously thank you and say he's very sorry and will have it towed home so he can change his rig immediately. However, if I were you, I'd wear a bullet proof vest when you do your deed. I'll sit right here and wait until you get back so you can tell us how it went. If you're successful, I'll buy your lunch for you.


    You may want to do some basic math before loading up you machine gun. My '03 Chevy 2500HD had a GVWR of 9200lbs. truck weighed 6,800 lbs. with a half tank of fuel. Dry weight on a 981 is about 3,700 lbs. Trailer weight, tank volumes and trim waistlines are only insult in injury at this point.

    Maybe there's still time to get that lunch back.

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