It is not the dealers who set the MSRP, it is the MFG!
It is the dealers that are prone to price changing from msrp.
As they will gouge all that you will allow them to.
Comparing a stick house to an rv is not a valid comparison and should not be used even in the same sentence.
I personally have bought 5 upper end diesel pushers in the last 15 years at prices ranging from 26 to 29% off of msrp, all but one were factory ordered to my specs.
There is way to much that appears in these posts as fact, when actually it is wishful thinking or just plain imagination, but I guess that is the nature of the beast.
Al,[ the facts only ] Colby
_____________________________________________________________________
[quote=TexGeorgiaBoy]You guys do know that the dealers and manufacturers are on to us and the 20-30% off we think is fair off MSRP.
What do you think that has done to the MSRP's?
It hasn't made them go down I can tell you that.
If they know buyers are going to demand a certain percent off MSRP then they will raise the MSRP to cover some or all of the discount.
If they sell one at MSRP or close then they really rack in the dough!
When a RV cost more than a stick home with land then you know something is wrong with the pricing.
That being said, I bet there isn't any of us motorhome owners who got discounts above 25% that weren't left overs or slow movers.[/quote]
Note: Due to invalid formatting, all formatting has been ignored.
Al, My point is that if dealers can take off 25%-30% and still make money and sell most at these discounted prices then what does that say about the MSRP's?
They are way over inflated!!
If you don't think the manufacturers are on to our 25% off or we won't buy then your kidding yourself.
The manufacturers raise the MSRP's to laughable amounts so they and the dealers have tons of room to discount and still make handsome profits.
Take a $400,000 dollar Essex for example. 30% of that msrp is $120,000 which means that you could buy it for $280,000?
You don't think it's strange that the dealer can discount a coach that much and still make decent money?
Don't you see what they have done to the MSRP's over the years to create a smoke screen that makes us think we are getting a great deal?
Your right, you can't use stick house and motorhome in the same sentence. It doesn't make sence. If you compare the two then nobody would ever buy a motorhome because they just don't compare to land and stick house. You are right they are two different animals.
My problem is why do motorhomes have many of the same features (windows, appliances, carpet, tile, cabinets, roof, no land but motor wheels and frame could count for that, walls with siding, plumbing, lights, etc.) but cost so stinking much more? I never have understood that. Can anybody explain that to me please?
I think you will find they have a large percentage of discount to accommodate trades, not to create a "smoke screen" for the consumer. Motorhomes are a rapidly depreciating asset that needs the room for those who wish to trade on a two or three year cycle.
Mr.Mark wrote: I ordered a 2008 Monaco Dynasty, 42ft., 4 slide unit, stacked W/D, full tile floor, king bed, dishwasher, central vac, etc, etc... List was $456,261 and got it for $355,884....sooooo... that's a 22% discount.
I felt good with the price because I was getting an '08 model done exactly the way that I want it. There probably was a good possibility that I could have gotten more of a discount but I'm happy with deal.
When I look on Ebay at motorhomes, seems like they have more massed produced units so they can offer larger discounts. I just couldn't find a unit already built that I really liked, especially, when I'm spending a lot of bucks for it!
Can't wait to get on the road... will pickup my new baby in 4 weeks.
Mr.Mark
Just one question to beg. Should we call you Mr. Mark ?
They have a large discount to accomodate trades? What have you been smokin?
I have been trying to trade a 18 month old perfect stored in garage 8000 miles DP and they won't even give me 75% of my "discounted" price I paid for it 18 months ago?
They want to discount their new on to me 22% and steal my trade. Sorry, your theory does not work in the real world.
If they used the high MSRP's to help with trades why can't people get decent trade-in values?
Nope, the judge says that MSRP is way over inflated period. GM and Ford have been raising MSRP's for years too to cover the rebates that people expect to get or they won't buy. This is the same thing only they don't say "rebate" just "discount" on a motorhome.
Same old story, you get 25% discount you get 10% below whsle for your trade. People that say they get 30% off msrp? well something is not right with that, either the msrp is marked up or the mfg has some incentives to help move it. But you are not going to get it on a normal deal.
TexGeorgiaBoy wrote: Al, My point is that if dealers can take off 25%-30% and still make money and sell most at these discounted prices then what does that say about the MSRP's?
They are way over inflated!!
If you don't think the manufacturers are on to our 25% off or we won't buy then your kidding yourself.
The manufacturers raise the MSRP's to laughable amounts so they and the dealers have tons of room to discount and still make handsome profits.
Take a $400,000 dollar Essex for example. 30% of that msrp is $120,000 which means that you could buy it for $280,000?
You don't think it's strange that the dealer can discount a coach that much and still make decent money?
Don't you see what they have done to the MSRP's over the years to create a smoke screen that makes us think we are getting a great deal?
Your right, you can't use stick house and motorhome in the same sentence. It doesn't make sence. If you compare the two then nobody would ever buy a motorhome because they just don't compare to land and stick house. You are right they are two different animals.
My problem is why do motorhomes have many of the same features (windows, appliances, carpet, tile, cabinets, roof, no land but motor wheels and frame could count for that, walls with siding, plumbing, lights, etc.) but cost so stinking much more? I never have understood that. Can anybody explain that to me please?
I have never got 30%, but have gotten 29.2% on a "normal" deal,it is not a slam dunk, but if you go about it right, it can be done.
This was on a `06 Monaco Executive,factory pick up, no trade.
Something not commonly known is; the options have a higher mark up [from the builder to the dealer]than the actual coach, so the more options you spec the closer you can get to the optimum 30%, or sleightly more.
After gleaning all the info I could get and guessing a little, I figured the dealer made about $13k on my deal mentioned above,
I got to peek at the papers on the desk when the salesman left for awhile, and just couldn`t resist.
This works out to a little less than 5% on the gross amount.
A lot of the posters of late that are claiming 30 to even 40% discount off of list are not exagerating [well most] but are not mentioning that they are buying a towable of some sort,these have a totally different price structure than a class A, at least in the DP category.
Al C.
___________________________________________________________________
chastho wrote: Same old story, you get 25% discount you get 10% below whsle for your trade. People that say they get 30% off msrp? well something is not right with that, either the msrp is marked up or the mfg has some incentives to help move it. But you are not going to get it on a normal deal.
When you negotiate with a dealer for a price that's say 25% or 28% off MSRP, which additional charges - transport, prep, and so on - can be legitimately added by the dealer?
By the way, my strategy, when I've settled on a model to order, will be to go to my preferred dealer, offer to buy at 28% off MSRP - no negotiations - or tell him I'll put it out for bids among him and the other dealers in the area. It'll be interesting to see how that is received.
Mr.Mark wrote: I ordered a 2008 Monaco Dynasty, 42ft., 4 slide unit, stacked W/D, full tile floor, king bed, dishwasher, central vac, etc, etc... List was $456,261 and got it for $355,884....sooooo... that's a 22% discount.
I felt good with the price because I was getting an '08 model done exactly the way that I want it. There probably was a good possibility that I could have gotten more of a discount but I'm happy with deal.
When I look on Ebay at motorhomes, seems like they have more massed produced units so they can offer larger discounts. I just couldn't find a unit already built that I really liked, especially, when I'm spending a lot of bucks for it!
Can't wait to get on the road... will pickup my new baby in 4 weeks.
Mr.Mark
Just one question to beg. Should we call you Mr. Mark ?
Seahunt...... you can call me 'Mr. Happyface' as that's what I'll look like driving my new diesel pusher down the freeway!
MM
Mr.Mark
2008 Monaco Dynasty, 42ft., 4 slides, 425 hp clean-air Cummins diesel
2007 Honda CR-V EXL, AWD, w/Nav and the M&G braking system
Offline
